Via patent suit may give Apple the most trouble

By | September 23, 2011, 11:37am PDT

Summary: Mobile chipmaker Via Technologies has sued Apple for violating three of its microprocessor-related patents. The folks in Cupertino may have problems with this one.

Updated: Patent infringement lawsuits are thrown around so often in the technology business that we have begun tuning them out. Every day we hear of Apple suing some competitor, or those competitors going after Apple. It’s become so commonplace that we realize it is just a card game to keep everyone in place. The suit filed yesterday by Via Technologies may end up giving Apple more trouble than all of those smartphone suits combined.

Virtually all of the patent infringement claims we have seen are all designed to be used as trading cards to stop potential future cases. Most of the suits involve smartphone technology, as all of the companies playing the patent game build smartphones. That is what makes the Via suit unique, and why it may spell trouble for Apple.

Via doesn’t make smartphones, it doesn’t make consumer electronics products at all. It is a chipmaker that competes with Intel and AMD, not Apple. So why go after Apple? One, because Apple is a big dog with lots of cash. Two, Apple makes its own chips used in the products the suit claims infringes on Via’s patents. The three patents Via claims are being infringed by Apple:

  • US Patent No. 6253312, Method and apparatus for double operand load
  • US Patent Nos. 6253311 & 6754810, Instruction set for bi-directional conversion and transfer of integer and floating point data

Notice those are microprocessor related? Via claims Apple infringes on these patents with nearly its entire mobile product line: iPhone, iPad, iPod, and Apple TV. What do these have in common? Apple makes its own processor for them.

I am not an attorney but this doesn’t smack of just trying to give Apple trouble. I would think that Via did its due diligence and believes it has a solid case to prove the infringement. Since Via doesn’t compete directly with Apple’s affected products, it’s safe to assume that Via is not just trying to create a legal stalemate to head off possible future litigation from Apple. No, it sounds like Via is in it to prove Apple is in fact infringing, and then collect damages.

Apple has sold hundreds of millions of these products combined. A settlement would be massive should Via prevail.

The courts will have to decide who is in the right with this, but Via’s CEO Wenchi Chen intends to go the distance as this statement given to ZDNet makes clear.

“VIA has built up an extensive IP portfolio consisting of over 5,000 patents as a result of significant investments in world class technology research and development.”

“We are determined to protect our interests and the interests of our stockholders when our patents are infringed upon.”

Update: Eagle-eyed colleague Ed Bott just pointed me to one not very obvious fact. Via Chairman Cher Wang is also the Chairman of HTC, heavily involved in patent litigation with Apple. This is getting interesting, and may end up being a patent playing card exchange move after all. Thanks, Ed!

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Maybe he's trying to get bought?
WebSiteManager 23rd Sep
Look, Google, FIVE THOUSAND PATENTS!
@WebSiteManager
I don't think neither HTC nor VIA are near bankruptcy to seek money from Google unlike the other OHA partner of Google, MMI.
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Maximize Shareholder value? Cash out on stock options? Just wondering, not making a fact claim.
@Rama.NET : I think @WebSiteManager might be right. VIA was a huge player on the embedded processor market, back in the days before Intel Atom. It's processors competed with ARM but were able to run x86 instruction sets (albeit very slowly), so had advantage for compatibility sakes (primarly DOS inspired embedded apps).

Today they still are a player with their VIA Nano but so far have been eclipsed by Atom, which ultimately is faster, although it won't support out of order instructions.

HTC is a mayor Google partner. Maybe selling VIA patent portfolio to Google will increase the leverage this has against Apple.
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VIA is not a US company. and maybe no investors the like of SUN's had...
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we know this all along, that VIA and HTC have the same chairman. When I saw the first report on zdnet yesterday, I was like hoho, Wang is going to bring it on!
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Hasam1991 23rd Sep
Couldn't Apple just got out and acquire VIA ?? seems easier...
@DeRSSS I thought that would be the case.
@DeRSSS That they have a license from ARM is irrelevant. These are OTHER patents, not from ARM.
@Hasam1991 or maybe Apple could just make great products and quit suing people?
@spark555 So are you saying Via should drop their case? Doesn't matter to me who it is, if they believe their IP have been violated they should do what they can to protect it. If Apple is in the wrong they should pay up just as HTC should if they are in the wrong.
like Samsung, Apple, TI and Qualcomm.
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Your initial premise is wrong
baggins_z 23rd Sep
It's the faddish rage of the day to loudly proclaim the patent system is broken because a bunch of ignorant people who don't understand patents think it's "unfair" that Apple should get to design interface elements that no one else can copy. I mean, after all, we live in an age of people scraping images and code from web sites wholesale, so how dare someone say copying software violates a patent?

No, Apple files these patents to protect its intellectual property against everyone and their aunt wanting to rip off their designs. There's a reason all these patent wars exploded since the iPhone and it has to do with the fact that the iPhone is a game changer and everyone wants in on it without putting forth the upfront effort. It's a classic Little Red Hen.

The via patent is the same. Via wants a piece of that Apple pie. They will get some for a little bit of time if Apple infringes. Until Apple engineers find a different way to perform the same functions on their chips. Then Via's license revenue goes away.
@baggins_z Or, samsung buys VIA and uses those patents to force cross licensing... This is of course something Apple doesn't want because Samsung gear will always end up with a performance edge by the second or third generation.
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RE: Via patent suit may give Apple the most trouble
anothercanuck Updated - 23rd Sep
@baggins_z Except I have a black rectangle device with a button on the center bottom and rounded corners. Unfortunately, for your argument, it's an 8 year old KDS monitor.
How dare Apple steal KDS's design interface elements.
@anothercanuck My first LCD computer screen also looks identical to ipad (Just bigger in proportion). Black border rectangle.. no way!
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@anothercanuck

Does it have a flat screen with no bezel and a blacked out area along the sides where a bezel would be?
@michaellashinsky: Does all of the iPad competitors have that too?
@anothercanuck Good thing Apple doesn't take their legal advice from clueless people like yourself that just repeat stupid claims they have read online.
@baggins_z You are right I absolutely don't understand the patent system. The perception is that Apple and others are using their patents [which appear weak at best] to limit choices and stifle innovation that is what needs addressing. IP does need some protection but there are only so many ways to build a widget and maybe I don't want Apples widget.
@carlson1@... You mean like there are only so many ways to make a tablet? They tried squares and ovals, but that didn't work with the glass that were being produced.

Apple lost me when they went after Samsung for making something rectangular with rounded corners.
@baggins_z


Translation: It is NOT okay for anyone to steal Apple IP but if (big if until we learn if Via's IP is valid) Apple uses (steals) anyone else's IP and that firm files suit ... they are just trying to get a piece of Apple pie. Got it.
@whatagenda The deal is that almost NOTHING in ANY of these lawsuits merits the description of "stealing IP".

Apple DID NOT invent the rectangular touch screen computer. They don't don't deserve to drive competitors out of business for simply participating in the softphone and tablet industry.

Via DID NOT invent basic widely-used microporcessor architectures and operations. Apple did not "steal" anything from them. Apple processors were not made by sneaking into Via's lab and copying their designs.
@spark555

You don't have to steal the design. If I patent a coal fired toaster, you can't make one, regardless of whether your design is the same as mine or not. That's why it's so scary - there are so patents and copyrights can you really create anything anymore without Google, Apple, MS, IBM etc already owning a patent for it?
@coalfiredtoaster Um... the original intention of the patent system was the only exact duplication of the SAME invention was covered. One need only to change one significant detail in order to be free of the claim of "stealing".

Then... somehow, the courts decided that if someone patented wiping your butt, every toilet in every bathroom in the world was in violation. Stupid. Pathetic. And can ANYONE explain how such a system makes the world a better place?
@baggins_z Um, the patent system IS broken.

The system was created to protect small-time inventors from having their work stolen by larger better funded corporations without them being compensated for having done all the _work_ to _create_ completely _novel_ devices which were not _obvious_.

Instead, we have nothing but large corporations running around with huge fleets of high paid lawyers helping them lay claim to absolutely anything which sounds remotely different than whatever anyone else bothered to formally file on. The process is expensive, takes years, and serves almost exclusively as a battleground for huge well funded corps, and a few well funded professional-leech organizations.

Just because Apple came up with a nice design that uses a rectangular shape and some icons does NOT mean they "INVENTED" the thing, nor that they should be allowed to ban anyone from doing anything remotely similar.

Same thing with Via - I'm sorry, but running two instructions at the same time is NOT novel in the timeframe Via filed for it, and Apple's processors are NOT based on Via's work.

Get rid of ALL these stupid lawsuits, and let companies bring actual products to market. If someone slaps a fake Apple logo on something, I'll be happy to let Apple sue. If Apple actually _steals_ the exact circuit design that Via spent years crafting, I'll be happy to let Via sue.
@spark555 But stealing the circuit design would be a COPYRIGHT infringement, not a PATENT infringement.
@jessepollard: No, copyright don't directly apply to physical circuit boards.
@baggins_z In ordinary, old-fashioned wars, the armament makers have always gotten rich. In the patent wars, the lawyers are the winners. Most ordinary people, the common taxpayers and consumers are the losers in both cases. Armament makers promote wars and battles. Lawyers write the laws, including patent laws, where they to promote their own welfare at the expense of everybody else. Remember, all businesses always have and always will pass their costs on to the end customer.
Apple will call "iMethod and apparatus for double operand load" and claim they own the name hense the process.
I get conflicted over all this bullsh???it. On the one hand I see Apple getting a taste of its own medicine. On the other hand it just reinforces how the whole idea of patents was never about "innovation", but about stifling competition and discouraging new entrants to the market. And who pays for all this nonsense? The consumer does.
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Yeah, you are just supposing they have a case but then let the court decide or whatever system is there to decide.

The two edge sword is a wonderful weapon especially when it can stop the import and sales of American products in the US. It is simply hilarious. I don't know maybe it is the only nation on earth that shoots its own foot, maybe feet. Hilarious.
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As it is a well known fact that in many other countries, stealing others designs and IP's is accepted, to the point where it is almost encouraged.

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This is all depending on IF ARM cross-licensed the patents that VIA owns. If not, Apple is still in hot water and even more so now. Way to Go HTC & VIA! Another shot to Apple's rotten core.

Wallstreet IP exterts state that this particular lawsuit could cause major trouble down the road for all smartphone manufacturers while forcing the cost of iDevices down to compete with more affordable products by competitors.
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RE: Via patent suit may give Apple the most trouble
michaellashinsky@... Updated - 26th Sep
@Nate_K

Your statement does not make sense.

"...Wallstreet IP exterts state that this particular lawsuit could cause major trouble down the road for all smartphone manufacturers..."

Since Apple uses its own chips, and is the only one to use Apple designed chips, I don't see how this concerns anyone else, (at least not from the info in this article.)

"...while forcing the cost of iDevices down..."

How does this force the price of Apple devices down? If Apple has to pay out the butt or redesign the iWhatever, that isn't going to make Apple products cheaper.

"...down to compete with more affordable products by competitors..."

Apple isn't trying to compete. Apple set it's prices high, and since that isn't stopping anyone from buying, they are going to leave them there. If Apple lowers the price of iWhatever devices, it hurts the competition, since they already have a hard time meeting the price point of Apple devices and still making a profit. Apple lowering its prices would all but kill off all competition.
It's hilarious to see all the fanboi's think apple can do no wrong. Some of these comments are hilarious. Just wait, there is another lawsuit coming soon for the pull down status bar "borrowed" from android devices. The IP suits aren't done yet.

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