What I want: ASUS Transformer Prime running Windows 8

By | January 8, 2012, 2:41pm PST

Summary: Imagine a thin tablet running Windows 8 that plugs into a laptop dock to become a full notebook computer.

The CES is about to get underway in Las Vegas and we are sure to see a lot of Ultrabooks and tablets on display. There will no doubt be future products on display that will run Windows 8 in all its Metro interface glory. What I want to see more than anything is a hybrid Windows 8 tablet that pops into a laptop dock for double duty as a laptop. Think of an ASUS Transformer Prime running Windows 8.

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The ASUS Transformer Prime, which I am anxious to get my hands on, is a thin Android tablet that runs state-of-the-art tablet hardware. It is the best Android tablet on the market, and has the added distinction of plugging into a laptop dock for those times when a keyboard is needed. This turns the Transformer Prime into the most versatile tablet, and I can’t help thinking how great that would be with Windows 8 onboard.

Imagine having a tablet running the Metro interface of Windows 8, capable of running new apps designed for touch operation. It would be awesome if that included pen input for those scenarios when it makes sense, although it isn’t absolutely necessary. Even without the pen it would be a full Windows tablet as capable of those running other OSes.

Now imagine that tablet can be plugged into a laptop dock, gaining a full keyboard and trackpad for operation as a laptop. This would be able to handle not only the new apps designed for Metro, but the thousands of legacy Windows apps already out there. This would be the most capable laptop or tablet on the market, and running Windows.

The ASUS Transformer Prime gains the benefit of an extra 10 hours of battery life when plugged into the laptop dock as it has a second battery inside. This would be spectacular with Windows 8 onboard, as it would then become the longest running Windows laptop on the market for its size and weight.

The Android-running Transformer Prime retails for $500, $650 with the laptop dock. That is a solid price point for the Windows 8 version I want to see. I predict ASUS would sell as many of these as it could produce, in fact I believe this would quickly become the biggest-selling tablet that is not an iPad. I also believe it would be the top-selling laptop, for which it would also qualify. It would be a runaway best-selling hit of the year.

This is a product that could be made today, not sometime in the future like a lot of gadgets that will be shown at the CES. It is already a shipping product, with a quad-core Tegra 3 processor that is tailor-made for Windows 8 for ARM. It could be one of the first real products shipping with Windows 8, and the only one that can take full advantage of the new version of Windows. If the Microsoft team developing Windows 8 hasn’t already gotten Windows 8 running on one of these, someone should be fired.

I can envision the TV ad for the Windows 8 Transformer Prime. A man sitting at his desk at home using it as a laptop, and his wife comes in and says “Maybe we should look at those tablets everyone is talking about. A tablet would sure be handy.” Then he pops the screen off the laptop and hands it to her. Oh yes, they’d sell millions of these.

How about it? Would you be willing to try a Transformer Prime with laptop dock running Windows 8?

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What I want: ASUS Transformer Prime running Windows 8
2evisual 21st Apr
This would be wonderful. To be able run all the Adobe software on a Windows Transformer Prime. Just image taking that little thing around with you bringing up a small onscreen keyboard and using your finger to draw in Photoshop and Illustrator, or Corel's Painter
You could be out in a park, or anywhere in nature and doing plein air graphic painting.
You could build websites having your finger acting as a mouse with a thumb tap as a left click and a tap with the 2nd finger as a right click, it would feel so natural.
The onscreen keyboard could enter all your data.
Man if they could just do it. It would be a step further in the evolution of the computer.
Man oh man.
This is the product I'm waiting for.
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@thomg57 Asus is unlikely to be able to ramp their manufacturing capacity to meet the already-existing demand for the Transformer Prime before the end of the year as-is, and then the new tech is due. To take away from that to build some untried product is just dumb.

Like the iPad, they're riding the tiger. They should just keep riding it. The idea is not to find a winner and then stop.
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Transformer does NOT need Windows.
Uralbas Updated - 8th Jan
why would you want software that will crash your system. Will make everything break after an update an render it useless. And have to pay extra for the miserable experience.

You want to waste your money on windows.. be my guest... I will never consider a product that has windows on a Tablet, its not designed for that. It may be adapted for it, but the basic design is not there.

Windows 7.5? Mango.. yeah.. we do C# development and it may be cool. But I rather keep investing resources on current Android apps as the return is constant and increasing. There is no need to spend resources on Windows. Windows is too much of a resource hog. The only way to use Windows on Android is through a VM and a machine that can handle the extra resources Windows needs.
Cool product and going in the right direction. I would be very concerned about the durability of the dock connector, but otherwise nice.
Need a good windows based tablet that will not kill me. A lot of my work related proprietary software runs only on windows only and these emulators and remote desktop applications are killing me.
@rgor@... Try the 3G Transformer Prime with Citrix or other remote desktop solution. You then get the glory of a true Android Tablet with all-day battery, and access to a real Windows desktop with the resources to run heavy apps. The best of both worlds.

And take a look at this, due out soon: http://androidos.in/2012/01/asus-transformer-prime-tf202/
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@symbolset .... for responding with suggestions about the exact items the poster is complaining.

In other words ... you get the 1st submition of the year for the "RTFPBR" (read the effing post before responding) award.
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For once, I agree wholeheartedly with James. The "adaptable tablet" will, I believe, become the predominant format for tablets/laptops in the future for everything other than the ultra-high-end laptop market.

Thankfully, Asus have already stated that they'll be releasing a Transformer running Win8 this year so it sounds like I can write my list to Santa early this year
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Not at all
symbolset 8th Jan
WoA is not what you think it is, and Windows on the Prime would ruin it. Asus will be making this to serve the counterfeit demand blogs like this generate in the comments - but like the raves for Windows Phone the real person who actually ponies up his own cash to buy it at full retail will be beyond rare.

But hey - at least after you've proved that it's horrible, you'll at least be able to put cyanogen on it - probably. And they should go cheap on Woot and eBay.
@symbolset I've had experienced with more then one Android Tab, and they have not met my standard. They are usually NOT smooth as expected. I've been using Android for the pass 2 years and I had been waiting for them to sort out all of annoying bugs. But Android has failed me, so I make a switch to Windows Mango and never looked back. I can tell you that I do missed Google Maps and being able to play Adobe flash. I also like to put in a few words that putting the all Mighty Windows 8 is an overkill for Tablets, simply put Windows Mango would more then enough. I've also had really bad experience with the previous Windows Mobile, but I have forgiven Microsoft by rewarding me with Windows Mango and the next Windows 8. Thinking of using Windows Mango on tablets is already giving me goosebumps.
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Experience change with time
buzznet33 Updated - 9th Jan
@itsmebentang : You have bad experience? But did you try a quadcore running android 4 before?
I'd buy one tonight!
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What would be nice ...
P. Douglas Updated - 8th Jan
... is tablets that have retractable stands at the back of them, that tilt the tablets upwards when you fold them out. (I used to suggest that tablets should be designed so that they could be pulled out and pivoted upwards. The above suggestion is however simpler and cheaper.) Beyond that, the Asus Transformer and Slider models seem great.
I'm sorry man, I can read the enthusiasm and excitement in your writing about this, but I honestly cannot stand Windows on a laptop never mind a tablet! I've had my hands on a Windows tablet and I just hate every aspect of it. Windows is just a horrible operating system. Linux is so much simpler and easier to use than Windows, not to mention its helluva lot more efficient.

I really want the Transformer Prime because its running Android, a Linux based system, not Windows. If the Prime ever ran Windows I would just sulk in disappointment at Asus and wait for another Tegra 3 device running IceCream Sandwich. Windows is just too much of a pain to use. I could only imagine the hours of frustration as a result of owning a Windows tablet. That's just my two cents.
@ThomasKarys Where I understand your point of view, you're not an average consumer. Most consumers want things to work with the stuff they have already purchased. Grandma isn't going to root her Android device and compile her own desktop Kernel. I've tried to get Linux flavors infront of everyday people, they keep asking me to put Windows back on their PCs.
@ianr@... Linux works with the stuff they already use. I click on documents and they open. Grandma and I don't have to root anything. It worked to start with. I haven't compiled a kernel in years. I get automatic updates. My hardware just works. I don't have to worry about drivers. I regularly hand out Linux CDs to friends with little computer experience. They seem to have had no problems loading and using it. These same people used to call me with problems and questions when trying to get Windows working.

The simple reality is ... Linux is easier to install and use than Windows for most people. Windows is either pre-loaded by the manufacturer or the average person gets assistance from someone else.
@ianr@... Yeah I know the exact same. I've tried to introduce Linux to people and they just want to go back to Windows even though Linux, in my opinion, is the best way to go in terms of operating systems. After Vista came through I just couldn't take it anymore. XP was alright, I liked it actually lots of different distros of it (not legal...) lol @ Grandma rooting her Android.
than windows for joe average consumer. Not sure how youre defining more efficient but all preliminary indications from the dev preview are that win8 will be smaller and faster and have longer battery life.
@ThomasKarys That argument may have been true years ago... but Windows has not been a pain to work with since Windows 7... so I'm not sure where you're coming from there. Most of my machines are pretty high end, but even on my mid-range laptop... Win 7 just works... no hiccups, freezing, crashing, etc. With even further refinements being made to Win 8... I rather look forward to owning a Windows 8 tablet, and upgrading to Win 8 on all my laptops as well after the 1st SP and any necessary patches for my most used software and games.
I have a tf101 since the day it came out and love it. My "prime" will be here on Tuesday as I waited for the 64gb. If anyone could make this run windows 8 even off of a usb stick I would pay for that. Better yet if it could recognize my 4g modem it would complete my technological life....... for a a few weeks, until I want anther toy and project. I imagine once the bootloader is unlocked, it will happen fast. ZDNET I used to read you years ago but after reading today, you ROCK! If anyone out there knows how to do this already or can make this happen, please let me know!
@androidbill143
Send it back and wait! I am returning my new Prime after 1) last night going in the bedroom and not being able to connect to my router, 2) sold with a GPS but because of the metal design doesn't have a solid connection (Asus basically changed the specs and features of your purchase after you committed to buying it), 3) Asus announced they are coming out with a new design that addresses all these issues with a much better screen resolution.
I am curious why you bought a 64 GB version when I bought the 32 GB and a 32 GB mini card but maybe you want to carry a bunch of tunes or movies with you. 64 GB is a lot and you can add another 32 GB to your new one. That would be 96 GB. It's none of my business but I just didn't see a need for that much storage but I guess you do.
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Bigger is Better
dksmidtx 5th Apr
Can't speak for androidbill, but I have NEVER bought any computer or electronic device and later said "I sure wished I hadn't gotten so much storage!" but I have kicked myself over "Why didn't I get the bigger model." YMMV...
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What about my original Compaq Windows XP Tablet with a detachable keyboard? Isn't this raising the dead?
@ianr@...

Three characteristics to remember - system weight, a touch interface and system performance (battery charge life, CPU and GPU performance, ect,)

The modern tablet concept has it's precursors, as the example you cited, but that's all they are - early concepts of a mobile, internet centric ideal.
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I Agree 100%
sonicfan1373 Updated - 8th Jan
After using my iPad and a Transformer I was amazed by the difference. The Transformer had brilliant hardware, but iPad's software was far better than the Transformer. iOS is very stable, very usable, and has many great apps. After using the Developer Preview of Windows 8 I can say the same thing about Windows 8 (except for the apps as this is only an early preview, a metro appstore is not yet available), which is why I believe Asus should let go of Android and switch to Windows 8 going forward. Great hardware deserves no less than great software.
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Do Not be so sure
buzznet33 9th Jan
@sonicfan1373 ... Did you try Android 4? The preview for window 8 only show the good things but the negative side....
James You're missing one important point here. Its going be an ARM based windows 8 on Prime, so for sure You are not going to run full blown win app on it, some of it will be recompiled but not all and not from day one.
"This would be able to handle not only the new apps designed for Metro, but the thousands of legacy Windows apps already out there. "

And imagine the markup price for this one. An ARM processor for running the tablet and an Intel processor in the laptop docking base to run all the legacy Windows stuff. Two batteries. Windows license copy.......
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@dave95.
It is really expensive. I wonder why?
The iPad 3 might make a lot of this speculation utterly moot. We shall see....
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about that win8 transformer
Lx 121 Updated - 9th Jan
dear james kendrick:

if you want win 8 on your transformer, guess what?

you can install it yourself; there is nothing stopping you.

you will, of course, have to pay for your copy of win8 (mobile?).

but, then you can take out lovely, buttery-smooth-running, secure, app-rich android & install your p.o.s. micro$ofty crapware anytime you feel like it...

;P
"...but, then you can take out lovely, buttery-smooth-running, secure, app-rich android & install your p.o.s. micro$ofty crapware anytime you feel like it..."

Not ONE of those staements is true, and half the time the Android software you want won't work on the flavor of Android or hardware you are using.
I can't get over yet another supposed experienced Tech Writer is misleading people. Windows running on ARM hardware will *NOT* be able to use legacy Windows apps. Once you factor that into the argument, is a vote for Windows still the right one ? I'll be first in line for an Asus Transformer Prime when they launch here, but I'm under no dissillusion what I can or can't do with it - running ICS or anything else for that matter.
I can't get over yet another supposed experienced Tech Writer is misleading people. Windows running on ARM hardware will *NOT* be able to use legacy Windows apps. Once you factor that into the argument, is a vote for Windows still the right one ? I'll be first in line for an Asus Transformer Prime when they launch here, but I'm under no dissillusion what I can or can't do with it - running ICS or anything else for that matter.
Windows 8 is the way forward for tablets....android tabs are plain sh*t
You and me both, brother. I want one baaaaad!
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RE: What I want: ASUS Transformer Prime running Windows 8
smith.jenkinson@... Updated - 9th Jan
I'd ike to see a tablet (or PC) where you just put an operating system on a Micro SD card and boot that. I don't see why customers should be forced to use a particuar OS just because it came with the PC.

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In fact, PC manufacturers would do us a favour by NOT putting the OS on the machine. Then MS would have to compete directly with other OSs and price according to the market, not to a captive audience.
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With or Without Window 8
buzznet33 Updated - 9th Jan
If u can wait for window 8, then why not? But by the time it is available, android 5.0 may be already out; along with ipad 3 and many other better tablet. The reason we go for transformer prime is because it is better than every other tablet. Remember, is Quadcore running Android 4 not honeycomb so its pretty good and I don't think why do we need window 8 unless it is the same price. But if you are willing to pay.......and wait.......
What I want is a transformer prime running Android, but duel boot with a flash drive to windows 8, then you can use whichever you need for fun/work specific apps only available on one OS etc. Also remember, there is already versions of Win 8 running on ARM but it will not run the older desktop type apps, as most of those are compile into intel machine code, where the new apps runs html 5 or silverlight which is similar to JAVA in that is is compiled to a intermediate code which is then compiled on your computer to machine code.
All cool, but it would have to be Intel, not Tegra based. That is the problem. Legacy apps will not run on ARM architecture. MS provided no emulators. Any product like that (utilizing the dual, not only the 'new' nature of Windows) will have to be x86 based. So let's be honest. It will have to be Intel.
All cool, but it would have to be Intel, not Tegra based. That is the problem. Legacy apps will not run on ARM architecture. MS provided no emulators. Any product like that (utilizing the dual, not only the 'new' nature of Windows) will have to be x86 based. So let's be honest. It will have to be Intel.
Yes, I want one. 10 or 11 inch screen. Thin. Fast. Full Windows 8. Single headphone/mic jack, webcam, mic, USB, Wifi, and Bluetooth. AND make the detachable keyboard Bluetooth enabled as well, so that you could still use the keyboard even when NOT physically connected to the tablet.

Oh, and give it Gorilla Glass 2, Liquipel, and make it out Carbon Fiber or Duralumin. And give it decent stereo speakers.

This is all possible. Asus, or anybody, make it please! If you build it, they will come!
Yes, I want one. 10 or 11 inch screen. Thin. Fast. Full Windows 8. Single headphone/mic jack, webcam, mic, USB, Wifi, and Bluetooth. AND make the detachable keyboard Bluetooth enabled as well, so that you could still use the keyboard even when NOT physically connected to the tablet.

Oh, and give it Gorilla Glass 2, Liquipel, and make it out Carbon Fiber or Duralumin. And give it decent stereo speakers.

This is all possible. Asus, or anybody, make it please! If you build it, they will come!
I'm eager for a dockable Windows tablet!

Devices such as the iPhone, iPad and Kindle Fire are good for consumer activities (reading web pages, e-mail, etc.)

But, when I need to do work, I get on my desktop or laptop. A keyboard is a must for many activities. I can type far faster than I can finger spell. Whether I'm writing documents, running desktop applications, or doing other work, Windows is a must. And, when I downshift away from work, I'd shift to using the device with touch control and no keyboard. Really, this is the best of both worlds.

Lastly, while I use laptops, laptops are still too heavy for me to bring everywhere I go. A light dockable tablet is just what will work for me to bring the device wherever I go. And, that means I get to do more.

I'll buy a dockable, touch-screen, light Windows tablet in a second once it is released.
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jaredthegeek 29th Feb
Ok so this article is nearly 2 months old but after owning the Transformer Prime for nearly a month it has really shown me this is exactly what I want in a Windows 8 Device. Perhaps even add the nTrig pen technology to give the stylus flexibility.
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I have had the Asus TP for a few weeks now and I have to say that it ranks alongside my iP4S as ???transformational??? and the best gadget I have ever owned and believe me that's saying something! I completely agree with James that my lust now extends to wanting this thing to act as a desktop/laptop replacement as well as an Android tablet.

I recently hooked up the Asus TP to a keyboard and mouse and my 55??? plasma TV (via HDMI) and showed via a short YouTube video how superbly it worked. The super bright display NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad-core CPU HD graphics are insane and just demonstrate what is now possible on a portable device in 2012!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT_2uuhAyBo&feature=g-upl&context=G201b8d0AUAAAAAAAAAA

Anyway back to the point ??? I REALLY want Windows 8 on this thing - alongside ICS (which I also love BTW) it is just crying out for a full desktop touch screen OS.

As an iPad owner I keep asking myself why the TP is so much more special to me and usable in everyday life. In my opinion it is the fully integrated keyboard that is the ???ingredient??? makes it special ??? you can get a 3rd party keyboard for the iPad, but of course this doesn???t attach effectively, talk to the tablet and has no battery or expansion. What is special about the TP is the overall experience, the exceptional battery life, slick and silky smooth release mechanism, the dedicated buttons, the gorgeous hardware and overall desirability of this device.

I could go on???..

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This Would Be A No-Brainer
dksmidtx 27th Mar
This would be the first real iPad killer device if it were available today. Since N-Trig already works with Android, surely they could port drivers to teh WinARM platform, giving us the ultimate road warrior devices.

What was that old saying from my kids cartoon days - "Transformers, more than meets the eye!"
This would be wonderful. To be able run all the Adobe software on a Windows Transformer Prime. Just image taking that little thing around with you bringing up a small onscreen keyboard and using your finger to draw in Photoshop and Illustrator, or Corel's Painter
You could be out in a park, or anywhere in nature and doing plein air graphic painting.
You could build websites having your finger acting as a mouse with a thumb tap as a left click and a tap with the 2nd finger as a right click, it would feel so natural.
The onscreen keyboard could enter all your data.
Man if they could just do it. It would be a step further in the evolution of the computer.
Man oh man.

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