Windows Phone 7 update problem: It’s Microsoft, not the carriers

By | March 28, 2011, 5:03am PDT

Summary: Microsoft has a real PR problem over the nightmare that is Windows Phone 7 updates, but has no one to blame but itself.

Microsoft has a real PR problem over the nightmare that is Windows Phone 7 updates, but has no one to blame but itself. My colleague Ed Bott may be willing to put the blame for lack of WP7 updates on AT&T, but I’m not giving the folks in Redmond a pass over this ridiculous situation. It’s time for Microsoft to get its update house in order.

I agree with Ed, a friend whose work I respect, that AT&T’s record on phone updates is not good. They’ve routinely left Android phone owners high and dry as far as updates go, so it’s not a stretch to blame them for the lack of WP7 updates for customers. But where I differ from Ed’s outlook is that I believe that Microsoft screwed the pooch if they have allowed the carrier enough leeway in the update process to adversely affect WP7 customers.

Even Microsoft admits that Windows Phone 7 is critical for the company to regain its former stature in the mobile space. Windows Mobile had its hey-day, which is long past. One area we were led to believe that would be different with WP7 is OS updates. Microsoft would control the process to insure phone owners get all updates in a timely fashion. This is not what is happening with WP7, thus the PR spin from Microsoft to put pressure on the carriers to get the updates out to customers.

While AT&T may be dragging its feet with the first WP7 updates as Ed suggests, Microsoft allowed that to happen and is getting what it deserves. The firm getting a black eye from this update situation is Microsoft, not the carrier, so the process allowing carrier control over updates is on Microsoft’s back, fair or not. Given the abysmal history of WinMo updates that Microsoft admits was not good, why give any carrier the ability to affect WP7 updates? That almost guarantees a breakdown in the system, which we are seeing.

Apple understood with the iPhone from the beginning that phone updates were critical to maintain customer satisfaction. The company took complete control over iOS updates and removed the carrier from the process entirely. Apple updates the software, and all customers globally get the update at the same time. The carrier is a non-issue and Apple not only avoids a negative situation, it enjoys customer credit for getting the updates to everyone.

AT&T wasn’t allowed to interfere in the update system from Apple, so Microsoft must bear the blame for allowing them to create the situation that Ed is blaming them for. To be fair to AT&T, not that they deserve it, few other carriers world-wide are actually providing WP7 updates yet. They all seem to be in one stage of the process or another according to the information provided by Microsoft, yet few owners are reporting actually getting the update. It’s a mess by anyone’s standards.

Don’t get me wrong, Microsoft is not the only company with a platform that is victimized by other parties as far as system updates are concerned. I have long criticized Google for allowing the carriers to interfere with Android updates. Any company that puts the image customers have of its products in the hands of a third party is committing a major mistake. While I mostly agree with Ed that AT&T isn’t helping Microsoft’s cause, I’m not willing to give the folks in Redmond a pass. Microsoft shouldn’t have given AT&T (or any carrier) the keys to the update kingdom.

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RE: Windows Phone 7 update problem: It's Microsoft, not the carriers
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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Nice balance to Ed. It's always welcome.

thx
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6 of one and half a dozen of the other
Economister 28th Mar 2011
@Return_of_the_jedi

The blame game or fan boy comments do not serve any purpose at all. The fact of the matter is that MS is caught between a rock and a hard place. They needed the carriers so badly that they could not dictate the terms of the relationship. They could not get what they knew they needed. As a result they had to cede control and is now paying a price for it.

Ultimately this is caused by lack of vision/direction and coming late to the party on MS's part.

Them's the breaks.
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@Economister ummm where was Jedi's fanboy comments or blame? and how can you open your comment with that and then precede to blame M$? I agree with you, this is a M$ issue for giving up control, but the way you opened that comment just threw me off
@Economister I bet they don't care. They have the Nokia deal .. that's like money in the bank.
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I was not ....
Economister 28th Mar 2011
nickdangerthirdi@...

blaming or labeling Jedi. He said the blog was balanced and others said it was biased. The blog was blaming MS in response to Bott blaming AT&T. I just thought I would try to add a bit of perspective to the story. I felt my post needed to be in a slightly more visible position, so I stuck it where it would fit - sort of. It was not my intent to blame or criticize anybody, at least in this particular post. wink
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I bet they care a great deal
Economister 28th Mar 2011
@prof.ebral

If MS has to wait for Nokia to get traction in the smart phone market, they might as well quit now. While Nokia COULD be a success, it could also turn out to be a complete bust, in which case MS's smart phone plans would be in shambles. MS CANNOT afford to rely exclusively on the Nokia deal.
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@Economister ahhh understood, thanks for the explanation... although I agree with Jedi, this article was a balance to Ed's ramblings about how perfect M$ is. I am not really even a M$ hater, although I use Linux as opposed to windows, I work on windows at work all day so I like having something different to go home too.. but M$ definitely dropped the ball on this one, they could have kept the reins but I think they were too quick to try in impress the mobile market and gave up that control, sadly I am afraid its going to turn around and bite them on this deal...
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Imagine this scenario
papyrus100 28th Mar 2011
Would you let your ISP interfere with your Windows update on your PC? People would scream and scream about this insane situation. Yet, with Android/WP7, they are willing to tolerate it.

Other phones makers will grab market share because of this stupid attitude.

I know, I am an Apple geek.
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@papyrus100 yeah yeah, the ONE thing apple did get right was the update process, to bad the started with the wrong carrier, and continue to sell hardware thats behind the others at a premium price....
Haha! here is a story in the news today! "Apple's iOS 5.0 reportedly coming out this fall" It was going to be out in early summer! So why is it so bad when microsoft takes a little extra time to get the update out. I new when I got the samsung Focus that there would be some problems here and there along the way. It is a new os and people forget so fast that it is funny, The iphone has not been without it's share of problems over the years. Stop being fanboys! They are all good phones. It's just what you like and not what is best.
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@imsimsj
It's about MS letting the carriers contoll the updates.
There is an interest from the carriers to not allow an update to go thru if they feel people will buy a new phone with the latest update as opposed to keeping their old one and updating the OS.
@imsimsj
When you are raking in 40% - 50% of all cellphone profits and have 20 - 30% marketshare, you can afford to be a little deliberate in updates and new features.

When you have almost zero profits and less than 10% marketshare, there should be a bit of urgency to your execution. Letting AT&T or any other telco have anything to do with your OS updates is a death wish for MS at this point.
@Synthmeister
Like I said when the iphone came out they had problems as well and when they first came out they did not have 50% of all cell phone profits moron! They don't have that now so check your facts. Yes Microsoft does only have 10% marketshare. The price of the windows phone 7 has fallen down to one penny for two of the phones and fifty dollars for the other ATT phone. I am not sure it will even make it. Android has a strong hold and it just keeps getting bigger! I am not a fanboy to any company. I use what I like and that is it. You screw up see you later!
@imsimsj : The carrier are controlling the update, that is the point I am trying to make. It is a fundamental mistake. Mark my words, Android will move away from carrier control of the OS within months.
@papyrus100
I agree!
@imsimsj

Microsoft may be doing the best they can but your example of Apple doing the "same thing" isn't the same at all.

Apple hasn't even announced iOS 5.0 yet, so it is "delayed" from one rumoured date to a "later" rumoured date.

Apple released the iOS 4.3 update about 2 weeks ago. Since last June, Apple released 8 updates to iOS 4.x with 3 of them being feature releases. To my knowledge not one of these updates were halted by a carrier.

Microsoft is having trouble releasing an update to their updater. That is a serious problem especially when you're behind several other competing platforms.
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Was the promise of "seemless" updates. Currently I'm counting down the days to my next upgrade, which is about 14 months away. Sort it out Microsoft.
@Alansonit
Sort it out Nokia.
How you can live 14 months in illusion?
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Blogger can be so overdramatic
P. Douglas Updated - 28th Mar 2011
So what if it takes a month or two for everyone to get the NoDo update? The update isn't critical! Also, so what if MS had hiccups along the way, when it started rolling out its pre-NoDo update? As long as MS is working to straighten everything out, I don't see what's the big deal. Also I doubt MS is in a position to order carriers around. It is carriers who took a chance on MS, not the other way around. Hopefully over time, MS can tighten its control over the update process.

Man, every incident that happens with MS gets blown out of proportion by bloggers. You don't hear anything close to this level of ruckus over the Android update process, which is older, yet far worse. People, contrary to what bloggers are telling you, the sky is not falling on the WP7 update process; and it is the party that is holding up the process, which is to blame for delays - not the party that is not holding up the process.
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@P. Douglas sorry, but I have indeed written about the Android update problem. Linked in the article above, no less.
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Android's Update process is far worse
P. Douglas Updated - 28th Mar 2011
@JamesKendrick,

You are so unbelievably biased, it is not funny. In your article, you largely blamed the carriers for the Android update mess, and showed that AT&T did not roll out the Android, Froyo update, over the last six months of 2010.

In this article, you take issue with Ed Bott for blaming AT&T, like yourself, over the Android / WP7 OS update process. Why? Because the OS in this case was from MS? So when an update process is held up by a particular carrier (AT&T) for many months, it is the carrier's fault - when it comes to Android; but when the update process is held up for far less time by the same carrier, it is the OS maker's fault - when it comes to WP7? Why do you and others even pretend to be fair in your writings?
@P. Douglas
ZING!!!
@JamesKendrick
I see bias against Microsoft in this article and love towards carriers. In your Android article I see your love towards google and hatred towards carriers. You are so biased and I give your a big -1 for this and a big zero for android article. Man you also suck with your biases.
@P. Douglas

Typical anti Microsoft / pro Apple propaganda.
the nightmare that is Windows Phone 7 updates
Again, I will state it. WTF is this? What nightmare? Updates went pretty well for Microsoft. I'm just going to assume you got your terminology mixed up and meant to say Samsung instead of Microsoft, that is the only possible reason for these outrageous comments.

but I?m not giving the folks in Redmond a pass over this ridiculous situation.
Of course not, you are known to hate Microsoft Mobile no matter how good it is.

I hope you understand that Microsoft is NOT Apple. They each have their way of updating. Microsoft has the patches ready, the carriers are holding back so the blame is on AT&T not Microsoft no matter how much you don't want to believe that. If you have a problem with it then make your comments heard to your carrier, not Microsoft.
@Loverock Davidson What part of "the carriers have no business being involved in the update process" don't you understand? Core OS updates should require ZERO involvement with the carriers. Microsoft and OEMs collaborating on them, yes. Carriers? No.

Microsoft screwed the pooch by letting carriers roadblock the entire update process. Period. And I happen to love my LG Quantum, but I'm not going to blame AT&T for Microsoft's lack of business foresight. I guess Paul Thurrott, who has said the exact same thing, is now Anti-Microsoft?
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I agree with you 100%
bmgoodman 28th Mar 2011
Frankly, after Apple managed to show how to fix the phone upgrade problem by leaving the carrier out entirely, I'm surprised that Microsoft wasn't able to "copy" their approach.

Really, I almost bought Microsoft's claims that carriers couldn't delay the update by more than 30 days, or some such nonsense. I almost recommended a WP7 phone to my wife. But then I remembered my own rule: buy the phone that TODAY does the things you consider most important. Never buy TODAY a phone based on some promise of TOMORROW. Sure, I go much longer between phones, but I've seldom felt "betrayed" by these constant delays.
@bmgoodman
Exactly. Letting the telcos be involved should have never even been an option for MS. They own 90% of the world's PCs. Update through the computer fer cryin' out loud.

Letting telcos instal crapware or exclusive app stores is one thing, but letting them futz with the OS is suicidal.
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I Guess I don't understand what the big Flippin Deal about all this is. I'm a Windows Phone 7 user and I swear to God I haven't cared or needed "copy and paste" since I bought the Phone... It's that good... Everything just works, it has way more out-of-the-box options than an iPhone and is way more stable than Android.... When the Big Update finally comes out Microsoft is bringing HTML5 to IE along with Copy and Paste.... So hey let em take their time. The phone is great.... Don't listen to everything you hear. If your on the fence about -- Windows Phone 7 - and you have a PC - dude the phone is a sweet investment!
@darkriderdesign

Well put. Windows Phone 7 is a great mobile experience, head and shoulders above the others. We have 3 in the family and love them.
@darkriderdesign Media hype my arse. You realize that roadbloacking these updates are also preventing MUCH NEEDED bug fixes. Like Marketplace crashing repeatedly requiring phone reboots. The platform is riddled with bugs, and the fixes are being hijacked by the carriers.
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Preach On, Brother James
ParrotHead_FL 28th Mar 2011
I've been a big advocate for WP7, and bought a WP7 phone the minute they became available. I'm a supporter of the platform, and I love my phone.

That said, James is absolutely right about the PR problems Microsoft has related to WP7 updates--and he's right that ultimately Microsft, rather than the carriers, will be the ones taking it on the chin.

For months now, I've been preaching to people about how WP7 offers the consistent user experience of the iPhone with the product selection of Android. I told folks that WP7 was great because there wouldn't be fragmentation; when an update was released by Microsoft, everyone would get it--and these updates would come regularly. I believed this, because it's what Microsoft told us.

Now, the truth has come out. Most of us haven't even received the first update yet, and NoDo appears to be a way off yet. Updates aren't released as regularly as most of us had hoped, and when they are it appears that carriers can delay them extensively.

And for what? Testing? What testing? I moved to WP7 to get away from custom ROMs and the kinds of scenarios that made frequent and fast updates impractical on other platforms. I was lead to believe that because of the consistency between different WP7 devices, those days were over.
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NOTHING IS BROKEN-THE UPDATES ADD MORE FEATURES
darkriderdesign 28th Mar 2011
Another thing people are over looking about this entire Media Blitz -- is that unlike the iPhone's antenna problem (where there was actually something broken) Windows Phone 7 works Fine, these updates are doing nothing but adding "MORE" features to the phones OS... so again...WHO FLIPPIN CARES!!! Everyone who has a Windows Phone 7 already, could care less. and are patiently waiting.
@darkriderdesign NoDo includes performance improvements that are of value to some users, if not to you.

As for "who flippin cares"... Well, those of us who were promised a regular and painless update process by Microsoft care.
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Whose ox?
Robert Hahn 28th Mar 2011
This all comes down to what the "product" is, and who has the customer relationship. This article treats WP7 as if it were the product, i.e. "Any company that puts the image customers have of its products in the hands of a third party is committing a major mistake"

Well. AT&T shares that belief, and they view Microsoft as the "third party" that would like to interfere in the relationship between AT&T and its customers. Now that they've seen Microsoft "brick" some phones with updates, they'll be even more cautious.

We can say that people blame Microsoft for the lack of updates, but if the updates brick the phones, the AT&T stores will be filling up with angry customers demanding new phones, refunds, or worse. It won't play for AT&T to say, "Blame Microsoft" because people will correctly be able to say, "No, YOU sold me this phone. You fix it!"

For some reason, people are getting sloppy about conflating a phone operating system with "the product." It's becoming common to lump all Android phones together to say that "Android outsells iPhone" and now we see WP7 being treated as if it were "the product" in a transaction that involves hardware made by one vendor, an OS made by a second, and an ongoing wireless service run by a third. This kind of intellectual sloppiness can only lead to bad conclusions.
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WenPersona Updated - 29th Mar 2011
@WenPersona LOL. I assumed it was some sort of Americanism. In any case, James is not exactly famed for his fluid prose style.
When Microsoft manufactures both the phone and the OS, like Apple, then compare the two companies on an Apples to apples basis. Until then, any updates are the responsibility of the actual phone manufacturer to verify they won't 'brick' a phone, not Microsoft. Until MS does both, it's the phone manufacturer and AT&T's fault for no updates.
@teopen@...
It might be their fault but customer's don't care. They will simply buy an Android phone or iPhone.
At this point in the game, with MS behind 50 points, MS can't afford to let the stupidity of the telcos ruin their products.

The fact that MS didn't prevent telco stupidity with their OS updates, tells you they don't get it or they have zero leverage with the telcos. Either way they are DOA in the mobile space.
@teopen@?
If Microsoft can regularly patch something as large as Windows 7, surely a light os such as Windows Phone 7 series OS would be much easier to patch. The real problems is Microsoft made too many compromises in the effort to catch up.
@teopen@... God, I'm so tired of this.

APPLE DOES NOT *MANUFACTURE* ITS DEVICES. Apple has 2 OEMs - FoxConn and Pegatron - in China. THEY are the OEMs. Microsoft has 4 OEMs worldwide - LG, Samsung, HTC and Dell - who make WP7 phones.

Apple MANDATES the hardware in and hardware-to-software compatibility of iOS devices.
Microsoft MANDATES the minimum hardware required in and the hardware-to-software compatibility of WP7 devices.

This isn't a banana to orange comparison, it is an orange to orange comparison because they both do the SAME THING. The only difference is Microsoft has 2 more OEMs than Apple!
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madfry Updated - 29th Mar 2011
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@Captiosus Agreed and this is why MS can be blamed and not Google. Google produces a pile of source code which manufacturers/carriers can do what they want with. They can't really take a tough line on how Android is implemented. Apple and Microsoft produce the OS as a finished product. No reason for carriers to get involved. The fact the MS doesn't "make" its own phones is largely irrelevant. MS update process should be just like Apple's. The only reason it isn't (presumably) is that MS was desparate to butter up the carriers. Apple played hardball with them -- to the benefit of Apple and consumers.
My understanding is that AT&T and other carriers have the exact same testing and holding agreement with apple and can block apples ios upgrades just the same. Have you verified that apple has removed the carriers from the upgrade picture. Do you know that apples last ios update and the one a month before that weren't done for weeks/months before they were released and weren't held for weeks/months by AT&T/ carrier testing?
@Johnny Vegas My understanding is that AT&T and other carriers have the exact same testing and holding agreement with apple and can block apples ios upgrades just the same.
You made the claim, so it is up to you to prove you claim. From what I have seen iOS updates are done through iTunes, not the carriers. They are downloaded from Apple?s servers, not sent out as an OTA update.

Say anything negative about Apple that helps you sleep at night, just do not be surprised when someone asks you to back up your wild claims.
@Johnny Vegas We know that all iPhones get updates at the same moment, across the world and irrespective of carrier. The update comes directly from Apple via iTunes and is not pushed by carriers. When a new iPhone is releases it generally comes with a new whizz-bang OS version. People with older iPhones can then update to the new whizz-bang OS immediately (and can then load the latest apps).

Were these updates delayed by months of testing? We don't know but there's nothing wrong with Apple collaborating with carriers. The fact is the updates get out the door on time so whatever process they have works efficiently unlike Android and -- it would seem now -- WP7.
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Regain its former stature???
techboy_z 28th Mar 2011
Windows Mobile was never the big kid on the block for mobile OSs. It never took the reins from PalmOS and Blackberry, and by the time it could be a decent 3rd player, it still wasn't, because the iPhone passed them all by. Now it's passed Palm OS, but iPhone and Android are out in front. M$ needs to acknowledge its futility in innovating and stick to its core competencies. Which are not smart phones. Not that their core competencies include stable, secure OSs in *any* category....
Thank you, Mr. Kendrick, for providing a professional voice making these claims. I have been arguing this for the last MONTH. Paul Thurrott saw the writing on the wall several months ago about the flustercuck that would be the update process and look at how prophetic he seems now.

Microsoft has, essentially, duped everyone. They led anyone interested in believing they were going to be in control of the updates, but that has hardly been the case. For example, this passage is from their update process presser PDF, dated 12/20/10:

"With the release of Windows Phone 7, Microsoft is taking full responsibility for end-to-end updates and providing Windows Phone 7 users with a much better experience than they had with Windows Mobile.

Windows Phone 7 updates take advantage of the world-class Microsoft Update infrastructure that is in place today to deliver updates directly to phones."

That sure sounds like Microsoft is in charge of updates, does it not? Instead they've shoved it all off on the carriers, and there's plenty of blame to go around there - not JUST AT&T (although they're the most egregious).
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I think Mst is the problem, in general
knudson Updated - 28th Mar 2011
I've been in IT 40 years, from operator, programmer, DBA, systems, hardware and management.
I am a Msft supporter, I run mostly Msft sotware, I support mostly Msft products, though skilled in others too.

Looking at some of the things I see in Win7 (not the phone 7) I would rate it as amatuerish, kind of strange from a company that should have have some of the best minds in the industry.

System restore, it can't handle a smaller drive.
Disk Admin can finally change partitions, yea, 30gig used on a 1tb drive, shrinks 280MEG.
Backup is powerful, but so limited it is hardly worth using, only one setup.

This same level of design is evident in the enterprise products, for one if Server had been built better no one would even know what VM is (OK us old timers), in that same case Hyper-V will open it's firewall for SOME management features when told to, but not all. Huh you have to search the web to open the rest.
I can go on and on.

Quit hiring college grads, H1-Bs etc, Quit building bigger teams, quit the internal, politics. quit worrying about Google, Apple etc.
Find people, kids whatever that love programming that love making programs better, that are in IT because they love it, not because it pays well.
Everything will take care of itself, well if it isn't too late.
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