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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Chromebooks Live!

By | August 31, 2011, 1:00pm PDT

Summary: Sorry folks, but tablets, as neat as they are, aren’t going to replace low-end laptops and that means the Chromebook still has a future.

I’ll be the first to admit that while I like Chromebooks, I own a Samsung Series 5, Chromebooks also have serious problems. Still, the Chromebook is far from being dead.

My fellow ZDNet writer, Scott Raymond argues that the consolidation of WebKit, and Chromium open-source Web browsers source code trees means the end of a need for Chromebooks–and by extensions other lightweight laptops. Specifically, Raymond argues, “If we had the Chrome browser on an Android tablet, why would we want a Chromebook? For the price of a Chromebook you could pick up an Android tablet with a keyboard that connects via dock or Bluetooth. You would have the same functionality, plus the added capabilities of Android.”

Why would I want a Chromebook? Because, while I like tablets a lot-I currently own and use a first generation iPad and a Nook Color–I also like having a single-unit, lightweight laptop.

My Samsung Chromebook, warts and all, has become my grab-and-go device. It weights next to nothing and it has a battery that can see me through an entire day of use. It also, and this is more to the point, lets me do everything I do with a tablet, and includes a built-in working keyboard. Sure, I could use a separate keyboard with my tablets, but with my Chromebook I don’t need to worry with one.

Besides, the Chromebook is well on its way to being a lot more useful. After abandoning the ability to let its applications work off-line with Google Gears, Google is finally, as promised, bringing back this feature back with HTML5 compatible, off-line applications. The first will be off-line Gmail. This will be followed by off-line Google Docs and Calendar.

That’s great news and it should help take care of one of my main problems with the current Chromebook operating system: The fact that Chrome OS and applications have real trouble working with local files on the solid-state drive (SSD).

Sure, I’ll be able to use off-line Google applications on an Android tablet as well sometime soon. And, I might add, I’ll be able to work with off-line Google apps. on iPads too. No one seems to have noticed that blending the WebKit and Chromium source trees will also bring this kind of HTML 5 off-line support to Apple’s Safari Web browser as well in short order.

All that said, just because I can use a tablet like a laptop doesn’t mean that I want to use a tablet as a laptop. For me, at least, tablets are still devices I use to consume information while laptops are what I use to create information.

So, I still think the Chromebook may have a bright future. That said, seriously, Google, Android and Chrome OS? You really want to support two operating systems? But, that’s another matter for another day.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it.

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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RE: Chromebooks Live!
julianfinn 20th Sep
@daengbo And anyone who realizes that they already spend 90% of their time in a browser and the other 10% in native applications that have online equivalents. This is a product for the average user. It does everything the average user needs to do and gets rid of a lot of conventions we take for granted but don't need.

Remember the floppy drive?
nice to see that wishfull thinking carries over to Chromebooks, too.

Consistency is nice at times. happy
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
jscott418 1st Sep
@William Farrell
Dont you love how Google has exploited open source for profit. Yet the open source community cannot do anything about it. Because it goes against their principal of exsistance. Its very funny though how business has managed to exploit the free nature of open source and profited off of it.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
tkejlboom 1st Sep
@jscott418

Open Source was developed under the principle that one could build profit models that extend from it. If you want the GROSSEST example of this, OS X is OPEN BSD based! Apple gets something like 60% margin on a Mac! Red Hat is for profit. Novell, who brought us SUSE is for profit. Linspire pioneered a distribution with paid access to software repositories. The internet is the greatest example of how open source works. The Internet Protocols are free and open. Amazon, Apple, and most of the rest of the companies on the internet are for profit.

So, to be clear, your fundamental grasp of what open source is, IS WRONG!
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
drobinow 1st Sep
@jscott418 Uh, that's the whole point of the Open Source Initiative. Yes, I do love it. And no, the open source community doesn't want to do anything about it.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
dtigue@... 3rd Sep
@jscott418 Come on man. Do you really think Google is the first company to do this? There is a huge list of companies that have used open source code to make a large profit. AND. A lot of the other companies that have done this do not contribute back to the community. Google has given lots of code back to the open source community. While others have used open source code and keep their added code a closely guarded secret. Give Google a break. They aren't the best company out there, but they sure are better than most of the rest. At least they give back to the community. Also have you ever heard of GSoC (Google Summer of Code) ? Every summer Google pays open source projects to help mentor a programming student. The students gets to code for an open source project and also learns how the open source community works. Plus, Google pays the student for his code. The code is published under the same license as the projects code, which is some sort of open source license. So yes while Google is making a profit from open source code, they also are giving lots of code back to the community, even going as far as paying college students to write open source code for projects that Google doesn't have any stake in. Google is a pretty good example of a company that is using open source code as a business model. IMHO
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
Aerowind 31st Aug
Yeah, now I know you haven't been keeping up with the tech. Your friend Raymond is talking about a keyboard dock/case...you know, the ones that essentially turn a tablet into a laptop with a touchscreen. Granted, it's still severely limited to a full featured laptop, but it's still miles above a chromebook.

I don't even like tablets and realize they're a better use of your dollar than a Chromebook.
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I just can't see the appeal.
Scubajrr 31st Aug
for the price of a Chromebook you can buy a cheap laptop with 10 times the storage, twice the computing power and you can still use it while not connected to the web. No dependency on a wifi connection. I just can't see the appeal of the Chromebook.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
Hasam1991 31st Aug
@Scubajrr
Yup Best Buy deal of the day today:

HP Laptop with AMD Turion? II Processor, 14" Display, 3GB Memory and 320GB Hard Drive
Today's price:
$297.77
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
Mah 31st Aug
@Hasam1991
That is the problem for Windows and that explains the shrill crys and urgency from Windows fanboys (shills?) to have Chromebooks declared dead before they become established.

If you can get an HP Laptop with AMD Turion II Processor, 14" Display, 3GB Memory and 320GB Hard Drive for $297.77 today. Then it makes sense you can get a Chromebook with the same spec except a 12.1" display, 2MB RAM and 16GB SSD for about $75 less, which means big problems for Windows. That is why Microsoft is trying to push up the price of Chromebooks by charging for an Al Capone style patent protection racket. Microsoft knows it can't compete on price with Chromebooks. Even worse Chromebooks are selling quite well at a higher price than low end Windows laptops - which means that people are prepared to pay a premium for the zero maintenance and ease of use aspects of Chromebooks over high maintenance, low productivity/utilization Windows machines for a large section of computer usage.

The Windows fanboys can dream on. Chromebooks aren't going to go away, and neither are Android or iPad tablets. The Windows desktop will eventually become a niche product, and a variety of devices including Chromebooks will become the mainstream, and Microsoft will also be forced to move away from the Windows desktop. This is already happening with Windows 8 abandoning .NET in favour of HTML5 and moving MS Office to the cloud 365 suite.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
facebook@... 31st Aug
@Mah

"That is why Microsoft is trying to push up the price of Chromebooks by charging for an Al Capone style patent protection racket."

Or, for those of us who are looking for horses instead of zebras when we hear hoofbeats, no one is interested in Chromebooks.


"Microsoft knows it can't compete on price with Chromebooks."

Like the linux-based netbook and thin clients, Microsoft made little to no effort to compete on price. Linux based netbooks were returned at an alarming rate for Big Box companies. Sometimes, "free" is to expensive for consumers.

"Even worse Chromebooks are selling quite well at a higher price than low end Windows laptops"

netbook 2.0

"Chromebooks aren't going to go away"

The flowbee isn't going to go away either. Yet, for most people, scissors and shavers work better.


"The Windows desktop will eventually become a niche product"

Once you can actually create meaningful content on a smart phone, yes. Sorry, don't see any OLAP cubes being built on a tablet in the immediate future.

"This is already happening with Windows 8 abandoning .NET in favour of HTML5 and moving MS Office to the cloud 365 suite. "

Good moves on Microsofts product, making their desktop presence even more relevant for the future and delivering far greater value than limited use chromebooks.
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Nice imagination there, Mah
William Farrell 31st Aug
@Mah
Right, all a sense of ergency from Windows fanboies, irrelavency, blah, blah, blah.

A hater much?

And of course it has absolutelly nothing to do with the fact that users of all OS alike seem to look at this as DOA, and the sales (or lack of) kind of backs that up.

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Windows desktop will eventually become a niche product, and a variety of devices including Chromebooks will become the mainstream

LMAO! They're having a hard time surviving today, let alone next year or in this Chromebook future you see.

I think you're seeing the ABM fanboy's desparation as this new "Windows killer" is going away even before it got here.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
Cylon Centurion Updated - 1st Sep
@Mah

Sorry, but you have got to be kidding. Windows desktop isn't going anywhere. To say so is a laugh and a half.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
kroguej@... 31st Aug
In google's defense there really was no need for another desktop/laptop OS. Between windows, OS 10, and linux I think its covered, so I guess their internet portal idea was at least completely different. Maybe if it were put on netbook hardware it would make more sense.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
Fletchguy 1st Sep
@Scubajrr
I agree I don't see any point in a chrome book or why anyone with a brain would buy one? they do less thena smartphone, cost more then a laptop, and they run chrome os which like chrome browser sucks. If they got the price down to under say $125 had it run android, made it wifi or ethernet or gsm/cdma, added a dvd or blu ray drive maybe its worth something but as it sits whats the point it does less then my htc evo which is now $49 with contract.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
daengbo 1st Sep
@Scubajrr If you take out the cost of the included 3G data, which is worth about $210 at today's prices, the Chromebook itself becomes quite cheap.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
julianfinn 20th Sep
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Hope springs eternal
facebook@... 31st Aug
Keep hope alive, SJVN. If you believe really really hard in it, it may come true. You may become a real boy, this may be the year of the linux desktop and someone may actually find a use for a Chromebook that another existing product is not already doing for less money or with more functionality..
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DEAD!
Hasam1991 31st Aug
Chromebooks are DOA- Most of us are saving our money for a MacBook Air, simply the most amazing laptop ever made!!
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
Mah 31st Aug
@Hasam1991
You do sound so desperate to have Chromebooks declared dead. Why?
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
Michael Alan Goff 31st Aug
He's just being practical.

Why would somebody pay full laptop price for half a laptop?
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Half? You are too nice .....
wackoae Updated - 31st Aug
@Michael Alan Goff

It's not even 10% of a laptop.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
Fletchguy 1st Sep
@Mah
Because they suck more then macs do lol
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
Fletchguy 1st Sep
@Hasam1991
Yes chrome books are dead but not everyone or even majority of people are wanting a mac airbook. Way overpriced, ugly and lacks enough features to make it even compete with a $600 laptop. But I do agree chromebooks are dead, mac books have great battery life, and the laptop reigns supreme.
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DOA !!!
IE9 31st Aug
Chromebooks are nearly useless.
High return rates will get them of the shelves and in 2012 noone will sell them anymore
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
dave95. Updated - 31st Aug
Anyone keeping track on how many times the "geek bloggers" on ZDNet predicted wrong? wink

Chromebooks shouldn't be compared to tablets like the iPad, they're notebooks/netbooks competitors. They even come with attached keyboards and touchpads and ugly designs to prove that they're really netbook/notebook competitors.

The real challenge will be convincing gen consumers who's in the market for a notebook that this barebone browser OS is all they will ever need in a PC. A browser OS where everything, every data, all personal photos, videos and music will not reside in the user's hard drive but in the cloud (Google servers). No iTunes, therefore no iOS devices syncing on the device. They look just like notebooks but are so much more limited. Good luck trying to get consumers to purchase Chromebooks at roughly the same price-point as notebooks.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
Cylon Centurion 1st Sep
@dave95.

"A browser OS where everything, every data, all personal photos, videos and music will not reside in the user's hard drive but in the cloud (Google servers). "

That's a really scary thought.
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julianfinn 20th Sep
@Cylon Centurion "that's a really scary thought"

Not really, lol. The people who maintain Google's servers are paid to know how to secure data properly. I'm not. Who's going to know how to protect my valuables better; the guy who builds wall-safes, or the guy who's bought one?
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daengbo 1st Sep
@dave95. There are really only two targeted customers for the Chromebook.
1) Techies who are buying one for a relative so that they never have to receive a support call again.
2) Businesses and schools that "went Google" and tie the Chromebook into the IT infrastructure.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
julianfinn 20th Sep
@daengbo And anyone who realizes that they already spend 90% of their time in a browser and the other 10% in native applications that have online equivalents. This is a product for the average user. It does everything the average user needs to do and gets rid of a lot of conventions we take for granted but don't need.

Remember the floppy drive?
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
LoverockDavidson_-24231404894599612871915491754222 31st Aug
Sorry folks, but the Chromebook is going to have a very short lifespan. Its simply not needed. Its a solution looking for a problem. Once people use it and see they are only limited to the web they will regret their purchase and not recommend them. People don't want limitations, they like to expand. Chromebook prevents that from happening.
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I agree with you
ICToutlook.com Updated - 31st Aug
@LoverockDavidson_
But let me ask a question:
Do you think its viable that Google with the Chromebooks could at some point adopt a similar model to the printer and game consoles industry; where those companies are keen to loose money on the hardware in order to sell more, as they get that money back with toners and games sales? What if Google reduces the price of Chromebooks to something ridiculous cheep - even loosing more money than now on the devices - and monetizes some of their cloud services?
@ICToutlook.com The platform is basically less than what dumb terminals provided in the 80s.

Even the cheapest piece of crap Android phone has more capabilities than a Chromebook.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
wright_is 1st Sep
@ICToutlook.com But Google don't make any Chromebooks...

They would have to convince the hardware manufacturers to take a bath!

If the price was right and wireless comms were available, then it might be an option. But priced 30-40% above a more powerful Windows laptop and offering less capability isn't the way to promote it.

A Windows/Linux/OS X laptop with Chrome browser can do a darned sight more than a Chromebook, yet (apart from OS X) can cost dramatically less.

Here, I have GPRS, at best and no Wi-Fi, so I need all my data and apps local...
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
julianfinn 20th Sep
@LoverockDavidson_

Hah! People (and by people I mean every day users who aren't techs and don't work in heavily tech skewed fields...ie pretty much everyone) want simplicity. People spend most of their time in a browser and, when they're working with native apps, most of the time it's because they don't realize there's an alternative.

If Google does a good enough job educating the masses in what's available as far as web applications and online resources, you're going to see mass adoption of this tech. If they don't, you won't.

This is the iPad all over again; power users chanting in unison that there's no need for the product as millions line up to buy it and completely reshape personal computing as an industry.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
grayknight 31st Aug
I see no point in chromebooks. Most people who have had netbooks are returning them or giving them away to others. An iPad in a case with bluetooth keyboard (or any other tablet) works just as well, if not better (does more) than a ChromeBook. People really want local with maybe cloud added, so it always works. ChromeBooks might have done better if they were released earlier, before the iPad and tablets came on scene. Now, new hardware is going to render chromebooks pointless. Why surf the net only, when I can play a game with a quad core and graphics and still last all day on the battery.
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themarty 31st Aug
Tablets and netbooks/notebooks/laptops are different tools. Not everyone need a laptop. Tablets are great at content consumption and have a great form factor for it.
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@themarty Chromebooks can only do one thing .... access the web. That is it.

Why the hell would you pay $400+ for something that will only do one thing, when you can pay less than $400 for a fully functional LAPTOP of same size and better specs that can not only access the web, but do thousands of more jobs?
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Not quite
MrElectrifyer 1st Sep
@themarty Tablets and netbooks/notebooks/laptops are all under one family of personal computers.

Currently, all the tablets out there on the shelves are just toys and sure don't stand a chance in productivity against my Laptop+iPhone combo silly

Frankly, tablets are meant to simply be touch screen laptops with detachable monitors. Not a single loss in productivity, just another way of using the same personal computer. With tablets like upcoming the Lenova Thinkpad running a swiss-army-knife-like OS like Windows Ei8ht, the right tablet purpose will be achieved.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
owlnet 31st Aug
SJVN, with all respect; Please get a life, writing about Crome book is pointless, period.
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I am going to give the Chromebook another try
Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate 31st Aug
It's been sitting on the ottoman in my livingroom unused for weeks.

I keep using my Acer Aspire One Netbook D260 for everything. Set up with Beta 1 of Oneiric Ubuntu of course.

What's nice about the AAO is that it cost $278 a year ago and it comes with, get this, a 'built-in' keyboard.

Heck, you don't have to trundle along a separate BT keyboard. Just open it up, type and bamm, in go the letters 'as you type'.

Amazing stuff. Netbooks Live!
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Since you don't have Ubuntu
Michael Alan Goff 31st Aug
There's no need for ChromeOS for you.

Instant on? To my knowledge, Ubuntu starts up in 15-20 seconds max. Security? You keep saying that Ubuntu is the most secure OS on the planet. And you can even put the Chrome browser on it.

Updates aren't automatic, but I'm sure you can deal with that.

Chromebooks are a product looking for a market. They do less than most netbooks, and for some reasom have a large price (probably the SSD, not sure).
@Michael Alan Goff A smart person finds a one time 30 sec delay acceptable in exchange for more functionality.

A dumb person would limit himself to a poor single trick pony product just not to have to wait 30 miserable secs.

It is like the idiot who would not use CFL lights and prefer paying 75% more in electricity, because CFLs can take up to 20 secs to achieve full lighting after power-on.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
daengbo 1st Sep
@Michael Alan Goff SSDs and 3G data are both expensive. Even though it only includes 150MB per month, that's 3.6GB over two years, which is something like $200 pre-paid from Virgin.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
Michael Alan Goff 1st Sep
Oh, right, 3G.

Pretty much not necessary with the increasing proliferation of open WiFi
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Network Computers Live!
Robert Hahn 31st Aug
I do not claim to know why, but I do know that every few years somebody announces The Amazing Thin Client. The trade press goes wild over the thing. First it's going to take over the world. A little later it's going to take over education. Then it's going to bring mass computing to the third-world poor. At the end of six months, it's gone, and so is all the hype.

I dunno, maybe this time it will be different. But I don't see why.
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"Sorry folks, but tablets, as neat as they are, arent going to replace low-end laptops and that means the Chromebook still has a future."

So... your suggestion is that Chromebooks, which are more expensive than netbooks or low end laptops, slower, about as heavy or heavier, about as big or bigger, and can only run one app - only when you're near WiFi or are willing to pay for 3G... is the best substitute for a tablet.

Yeaahhh... if that's how people think, I now see why Apple stays in business.
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
Cylon Centurion 1st Sep
Dear God, why do we need to go back to dumb terminals? Listen, I live in a neighborhood that doesn't get the best bandwidth in the world, but not the worst. Since living here for a week and a half now, I've had a good 99% uptime, but there was a spat this past weekend where my ISP had DNS issues that caused me to be offline for a little bit. So, someone please tell me why I need to limit myself to a dumb terminal where I don't have direct access to my data? Since I had the benefit of a local machine, I was still able to continue on working as I normally would.

Why in the world should I willing hand over all my personal files (Photos, videos, music, etc) to a company who has had a less than stellar track record as of late?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm willing to bet with all the malware running around on the Android store, it'll only be a matter of time before it crosses over to the Chrome Store, and should anyone steal your Google credentials, I only have this to say: GAME OVER It'll be Christmas for the bad guys.
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MrElectrifyer 1st Sep
@Cylon Centurion Really well said +1 happy
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RE: Chromebooks Live!
edkollin 1st Sep
I am still waiting for radio and movies to go away
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Or...
Naryan 1st Sep
He says why buy a Chromebook when you can buy a tablet.

I say why buy a tablet when you can buy a Chromebook.

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