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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Internet BitTorrent Spies

By | December 12, 2011, 12:16pm PST

Summary: Think no one knows what you’ve downloaded off the Internet with BitTorrent? Think again.

People have privacy delusions about the Internet. They seem to think that just because they don’t sign their real name to a site that no one can see what they’ve been doing on it. Oh dear. So dumb, so wrong.

The latest example of what you do on the Internet is no where near as “private” as you think it is comes from a new Russian site, YouHaveDownloaded. This site claims to track 20 percent of all public BitTorrent downloads… and tell the world who they’ve found downloading what. So, that final episode of Dexter? The DVD rip of Cowboys & Aliens? That copy of Call of Duty Modern Warfare? And, that illicit video of Smoking Hot Grannies that you really, really don’t want to talk about? Yeah, your permanent record of what you’ve been downloading off BitTorrent sites may all be available for the amusement of your friends, neighbors, and, oh yes, the copyright owners.

Happy downloading!

To be exact, YouHaveDownloaded collects your Internet address and the titles of what you’ve been downloading. Some of you might immediately now think that that’s not enough to track someone down since many ISPs now use dynamic Internet Protocol (IP) addresses. Think again.

According to a Facebook posting by Suren Ter, one of the site’s founders, “We don’t bother ourselves to separate dynamic IPs. The site is just for show. However we have time-stamps. 3.3.3.3 might be a dynamic IP - however it belonged to a certain person at 12:12am 12/12/2011. Besides DHT (distributed hash table) allows us to get a user’s machine fingerprint.”

DHTs, for those of you don’t work on peer-to-peer (P2) networking for a living, is a distributed, look-up system that’s to constantly update who’s doing what on a P2P at any given moment. It is, as you may have guessed by now, an essential part of BitTorrent. So, yes, armed with the data the site provides to the public a savvy network administrator could figure out that it was you—or someone with access to your PC—who downloaded a copy of Debbie Does Dallas last night at the office. Good luck explaining to the boss about how your “study” of historical porn was essential for the business.

Why are they as, one commenter put it being “Pretty f**king irresponsible, no consideration for what harm you may cause to people checking their familys torrents?” Ter explained to TorrentFreak, a publication that tracks the on-going collision of file sharing news and copyright, that “We just want to remind people that the Internet is not a place to expect privacy). Nowadays many people use it without understanding what information they leave behind. Also, even those who understand choose to ignore it quite often.”

Ter is right. While YouHaveDownloaded it has “only” 52-million users in its database, so your records may not be on their site, they’re certainly are showing how trivial it is for someone to see what you’ve been doing on the Internet with only a bit of effort.

Of course, it’s not just YouHaveDownloaded it that’s trying to track users. I recently received a note from NBC, via my ISP, that I’d been illegally downloading a copy of the TV show Community. As it happens, I hadn’t been—I use BitTorrent for Linux distros and old BBC shows–but there’s nothing like the threat of a lawsuit for downloading copyrighted material to get your attention.

After all, while one U.S. court has ruled that IP addresses, alone, can’t be used to identify people in download copyright violation lawsuits, that doesn’t mean that another court will see it the same way. Or, as YouHaveDownloaded has just shown, that a company can’t put together IP addresses, date/time stamps, and DHT data to really narrow down who’s really downloading a movie, video game, or song.

For better or for worse, if you’re downloading videos, games, whatever, from BitTorrent sites keep in mind that you’re doing it in public.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols is a freelance writer. He does not own stocks or other investments in any technology company.

Biography

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it.

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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I used to read this site
DrFred 20th Dec
I used to be a fervent reader of this website, two years later I became disenfranchised by some of the bloggers political views explicitly stated in their blogs. This website explains general entry level takes on all technological matters. I'm not savvy enough to know if the stated website can cue your local IP's to scare you but I doubt it can surpass some of the readily available options that are to legitimate torrenters. On another note this post was included in their spam email broadcast so I suspect its a puff piece used to increase readership on a dying website that is turning into an anything-goes-low-level-knowledge blog
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Garbage in / Garbage Out
Tank252ca Updated - 12th Dec
Let's see... according to YouHaveDownloaded, someone here downloaded "Healing Meditation Accelerate Healing and Recovery (Brain Wave Therapy)-Mantesh" sometime in November. The only problem is, they're absolutely wrong. Our office has both hardware and software firewalls which block BitTorrent traffic, and the desktops are locked down. The users couldn't install a BitTorrent client if they wanted too, and the network is small enough that I can easily scan for the supposed pirated file, and there is no sign of it on any system. I don't know how they're collecting their data, but it's pretty useless if they're just posting garbage. If it's from Russia, I'm more inclined to think that it's a fishing site and the media is blindly helping them out.
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Portable apps?
brad@... 12th Dec
@Tank252ca Can a user run portable applications from a flash drive on their PC?
@Tank252ca ... they won't be happy until everyone works in a salt mine giving all their wages to the riaa.... just more of the same parasites that constantly steal without end.
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MrElectrifyer 13th Dec
@Reality Bites LMFAO grin
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HappyXWindowsUser Updated - 12th Dec
@Tank252ca

I checked my IP addresses at 2 different sites and only one file came up...and it was the same on both machines. So...putting 2 and 2 together...I think this Russian site is a front to troll for Facebook accounts. Have you tried their captcha? It's insanely long and it doesn't work. I tried twice. It's designed to frustrate you into giving over your FB information and it offers a login link. So, unfortunately, Steve may have caused more harm than good with this article. Stay away from this website.
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r1r1p1@... 12th Dec
@HappyXWindowsUser

I agree! I tried the captcha 3 times with the same result. I wasn't DUMB enough to log in with my facebook!

Better stay away from this!!!!!!!
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Brad Morrison 12th Dec
@HappyXWindowsUser
Yup, same here. CAPTCHA doesn't work, and there's no way I'm giving them access to my Facebook data.

Just don't do it.
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@HappyXWindowsUser : "So, unfortunately, Steve may have caused more harm than good with this article. "
Don't blame him! He's just about to learn the basics of computing and the internet. You know, that thing with many tubes in it....
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cardhun@... 13th Dec
@HappyXWindowsUser:

Excellent point, thank you. Mr. Vaughan-Nichols has a well-established history of not researching his purported sources.

And this article is quite a mess of horrible English.
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MindWarpMedia 13th Dec
@ff2 Don't blame Steve, he's just reciting the same "news" that others are.
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gkiefferjfk2@... 13th Dec
Let all the music people track & find me...
They really can't do much of anything with me... HOW?
Back in the early 1990's i owed a hospital over $20,000 and some local lawyer called me up to start BANKRUPCY proceedings...
That is until they found out what my INCOME was...
Then they told me what the laws concerning a LAWSUIT are in NY STATE...
If a person's income is...
WELFARE, SSD, SSI, WORKERS COMP, SS [below $15,000 per yr]
THEN you have no worries... [They can sue you BUT because your income is from federal, state, county, city, etc low income funds AND those funds can't be used in a lawsuit & the person can't be sent to jail for lack of funds to pay in a lawsuit case]
MEANING.... Let them come after me all they want... AND then they'll see how much a ROCK has to give...
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@Tank252ca
Has somebody track of the billions of downloads made eveyday. Of course you leave a trail but its like a hunter followin an invisible dear, you can see the tracks, hear it and even smell it, but it will a lucky shot if you get it. If you are a really good downlader almost a hacker you know you can use an array of tools to use to even misguide those so called trackers. Only agencies like CIA and FBI have that technology fully developed.
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macmilan 14th Dec
@realvarezm

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@Tank252ca
+1
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aminy23 Updated - 12th Dec
@Tank252ca I'm a high school senior, and my school has WPA2 secured WiFi, hardware and software content filiters and firewalls, along with the most locked down windows interface I have seen to date. The start button logs you off, because the start menu has been disabled, and even my computer and portable USB devices are blocked. One day when no one was looking, we booted live in Linux, found the Windows 7 SAM file, and cracked the admin password in less then 10 minutes. We went back into Windows, logged on as Admin, went to control panel, found the wireless network, and using the wireless network property dialog I found out the WiFi password. We use a VPN, and we all get free unprotected WiFi over a secure connection.

Long story short, if they boot live with a Linux flash drive or CD, let's say Linux Mint or Ubuntu, and then install a free VPN such as Tor, they can be downloading torrents at your office in less then 5 minutes. The connection will be fully encrypted, and you won't know what they're downloading. It will be a live environment that will completely bypass Windows, and leave no traces on the computer afterwards. Windows is a decent OS, and has many advantages over the *nixes, but don't think you are secure if your using Windows.
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GiorgosP Updated - 13th Dec
@aminy23 Sure, but you can block live booting simply by locking the BIOS with a password. Ok, one can also recover this as well, but hey, no system can claim total security, whether it's a Windows or a *nix one. The point for any admin is to make the whole process so difficult and time-consuming that most hacker wannabes won't bother to try and if they do, they will eventually give up. Plus, if they use Tor for downloading files, it's very unlikely that anyone will manage to track them down using the recorded IP address, like this website claims to do.
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@aminy23

In addition to the firewalls & blocking of installing new software, they use a hard drive encryption program that boots *before* the OS does.

I suppose they could pull the hard drive from the case...but someone might wonder why you're huddled under your desk with a screwdriver & a new Western Digital drive, or why when a co-worker comes by to ask you to look at a network file you no longer have access on your machine...
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IgnorantBugger 13th Dec
@aminy23

Any school admin that has their desktops so locked down as you claim is not stupid enough to allow booting to a live cd or usb device which is so easily turned of in the password protected bios I'm sure they also have. I call you a liar!
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justthisguyyouknow 14th Dec
@aminy23 Please don't use Tor to download with BitTorrent! You mess it up for everyone else that uses Tor for web surfing, etc.
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@aminy23 Bravo! I'm semi retired and short of using VPNs download Linux live OSs and hack my own passwords time to time. Just how secure do people think their computers are when they're networked? Have yet to try VPNs but will in the future. Plenty to learn. Gave up torrents 3 years ago. Want to stay legal.
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Reporting Responsibilities
Drakaran 13th Dec
@Tank252ca
@Reality Bites

It seems like pretty irresponsible reporting to post this stuff without checking out the site. After all, Steve makes money doing this, he should at least verify what he's talking about. But that probably wasn't really the point, it was to scare all those EVIL pirates out there, right Steve?
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Broggy69 13th Dec
@Tank252ca There may be a bit torrent client that does not require an install, and may run from a USB stick, and if your computer gets through the firewall, so does said program. Just a thought.
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MrElectrifyer Updated - 13th Dec
@Tank252ca
Ever heard of LiberKey?
I use that a lot on my office computers, all running from my freed iPhone USB wink
Just with that, I can turn almost any computer into my personal computer with tonnes of portable applications, including uTorrent
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macha1@... 14th Dec
@Tank252ca
it is a fishing site, they have section "Remove me" when you click on it it ask you to sign in to your facebook account, if you fell for it then they have your IP address and your name
Mik
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Fail
ExploreMN 12th Dec
Told me I am in the clear and yet I downloaded a lot of episodes from 6 different TV programs I follow but I missed due to working a couple of jobs. However, since I visited the site I'm guessing my IP just got added to their "addresses to watch" list. No biggy though...changing internet providers in 3 days anyway.
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Had the same thought.
doctordawg 13th Dec
@ExploreMN Now they know me? Or at least the Holiday Inn business center I'm using today.
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I just tested it
johnnydoe1894 12th Dec
I wouldn't worry too much, it said I downloaded some album by a group I never heard of and that I live in Canada near Quebec. Wrong country. Guess Dynamic IP is a little tougher nut to crack than they think.
@johnnydoe1894 .... most of the people they prosecute are 100% innocent, they don't care.

riaa = just a bunch of psycho parasites.
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Internet seductions
klumper Updated - 12th Dec
Alas, it's getting increasingly difficult not to be guilty, at some level or another, of downloadable infractions. At some point we'll all be heading to the pen -- and hell thereafter.

Enjoy the ride 'till then mates.
@klumper .... the riaa would just be a forgotten bad taste if they were treated as the criminals they are, they steal from the artists and steal from the public.
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djchillsnyc 12th Dec
what about pay sites like kazar and others like itunes these guys can legally sell you copies of song then yank your rights if you use another computer or have a system failure. my recent expierience with kazar i only used the service minimal and spent allmost a year subscribed at a whopping 19.99 a month. shortly after i decided it was to expensive and it was not what i would normaly spend monthly on music i guess i spend a fraction of that actually and it depends if its something worth the money so its not anywhere close to a good deal. well they completely disconnected my library use. thats pretty much highway roberry the legal way . after a year of downloading some classics and cool tunes for personal use they yank my music im left with the bill for nothing.. explain legal download sites?/..
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gwardell@... 12th Dec
@djchillsnyc Yah, the same thing with Amazon. If you leave the movie you bought in the cloud on their server and the publisher yanks the rights you are out of luck. sad
@djchillsnyc ... riaa is just ghetto speak for scumbag criminals.
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slightly different tune
trog7 12th Dec
@djchillsnyc
in case you don't know, the company which set the precedent is Micro$oft ... you don't "BUY" their product, you only purchase a license to use the $oftware. ... and if for some reason they don't like you, a rep can come in and confiscate any piece of $oftware with the M$ logo on it ... without any recompense !
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djchillsnyc Updated - 12th Dec
yeah the files are still in my computer but i cant use them cuase the rights are blocked.
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gregebert Updated - 12th Dec
I'm clean....yawn. At least my kids aren't using Bit-Torment yet. Oh, I forgot to mention I blocked that protocol on my router, heh-heh.
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tkejlboom 12th Dec
@gregebert

Wtf is up with the luddites in this country? You sound like the Polish in WWII. Guns and tanks are the tools of Nazis, Yeah? Bit torrent is not just a legitimate protocol, it's brilliant. Handicapping legitimate users to try, so far largely ineffectually to hinder the transgressors is stupid and wrong.
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deusXmchna@... 13th Dec
@tkejlboom
Very well said. +1
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Traxxion 13th Dec
@tkejlboom
I think blocking kids access to BitTorrent is completely responsible. Its not like kids are going to do the right thing - what's your beef???
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none none 12th Dec
@gregebert

How do you block a protocol??




happy
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Your momma. 13th Dec
@gregebert You are clueless. Perhaps you blocked a port but something like utorrent can randomly pick a port per new connection.

Get a clue your kids are downloading warez and pr0n and you don't even know it lulz
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Traxxion 13th Dec
@Your momma.
Get a clue...
If you are running a traffic shaping router you can block ANYTHING
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bein' easy 13th Dec
@Your momma.
Taxxion is exactly correct. I also happen to be running a BSD firewall where I block many protocols.
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none none 13th Dec
@Traxxion, bein' easy

The only thing your router knows about a packet is the source/destination port and IP address (and NAT stuff). It does not know if the payload is http, ftp, ntp or another protocol.

Packet shaping is not even supposed to block anything. It's for network optimization.

Your Momma is right.






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Verify how?
brad@... 12th Dec
Sorry, I won't be visiting the Russian website to see if my PC has been tracked. Sure as the day is long, as soon as I visit that site, I WILL be tracked. LOL!
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If you ever become the victim of one of these sites--have your book, your music (whatever) stolen by them--you will quickly change your tune about them. Would you like your pay-packet dipped into? Well, these sites are doing just that to authors, musicians, actors, movie-makers, etc.
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tkejlboom 12th Dec
@Laraine Anne Barker

This isn't about whether or not the site is bad, but about what is and what is not tracked. SJVN probably stood accused of piracy because an errant bit from someone who also enjoyed Linux also enjoyed downloading illegal copies of Community. This is exactly like if you had been accused of using cocaine because you were in a Target at the same time as someone who sometimes sells cocaine. They have your credit card records, traffic cam footage, security cam footage and eye witness testimony. You were both in the same store! Criminals only do criminal acts sometimes. To indict everyone who goes to target because one person that goes to Target sometimes performs criminal actions is really really really stupid. It's important to realize what information is available out there and which isn't.
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matt832 Updated - 12th Dec
@Laraine Anne Barker
i can understand you issue. I think the way we pay for content needs to be reexamined. I'm more than willing to pay a nominal fee for what I want, but I will look around if I find the price exorbitant. $3, $4, $5 directly to the artist may be more than the would get from a company. I'm not willing to pay $20 for an album/CD with one or two good tracks - I'll pay $1 to Amazon or Itunes for a track I like, but I'm sure the artist gets pennies of that. Let them sell their product directly and I may pop for the entire album.

The genie is out of the bottle, but Hollywood won't admit it. They are operating in an early 20th model trying to shoehorn it to fit a very, very different age. They are as much to blame as those that download.
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chrisl317 12th Dec
From Russia? That's usually where all the screened copies of movies come from. Darn subtitles!
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PS. Out of curiosity I visited the site
Laraine Anne Barker 12th Dec
It told me I am clear. Well, what else could it do when I don't even have the software needed to download BitTorrent stuff?
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I used to read this site
DrFred 20th Dec
I used to be a fervent reader of this website, two years later I became disenfranchised by some of the bloggers political views explicitly stated in their blogs. This website explains general entry level takes on all technological matters. I'm not savvy enough to know if the stated website can cue your local IP's to scare you but I doubt it can surpass some of the readily available options that are to legitimate torrenters. On another note this post was included in their spam email broadcast so I suspect its a puff piece used to increase readership on a dying website that is turning into an anything-goes-low-level-knowledge blog

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