ie8 fix
madison

Networking

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide

By | November 8, 2010, 9:00am PST

Summary: We need yet another Web browser like we need a hole in the head.

Just to get RockMelt's beta requires granting it Facebook account access.

By my count, there are three really important Web browsers today: Chrome, Firefox, and Internet Explorer. There are also two others that are good enough, Opera and Safari, that they’re worth considering. So, really why the heck should I think that there’s room for yet another Web browser, the much ballyhooed RockMelt?

Seriously, as the guy who first reported on the Web for a popular publication back in 1993, I’ve seen more Web browsers than I can recall, and I really don’t see a lot of reason for yet another one. Sure, there was a time when we really needed a new Web browser to free us from the horror that was, and is, IE 6, but that was in 2004, and Firefox unlocked us from IE 6. Today, we already have many excellent Web browser choices. So, really, what’s the point of another one?

The logic behind RockMelt is that you can take the open-source Chromium Web browser code, which powers Chrome, and pair it up with Facebook, Twitter, and RSS integration to produce a super social-network savvy Web browser. I’d be a lot more impressed by the potential of this idea if it wasn’t that it’s already been tried in Flock.

Technically, I wouldn’t call Flock, which is also built on top of Chromium and also works hand-in-glove with Facebook and Twitter, a failure. In fact, I rather like it. The bottom line though is that after years of being on the market, according to Net Applications’ NetMarkets statistics for October 2010 Flock has a pathetic 0.05% of the Web browser market.

So why I, or anyone else, think that RockMelt will do better? Yes, it has Marc Andreessen, the co-creator of Mosaic, the first popular graphical Web browser, and founder of Netscape behind it, but it’s been a long, long time since Andreessen hit a home-run. As a technical innovator these days, Andreessen is a fine venture-capitalist.

Since Andreessen is also on Facebook’s board of directors and was an early investor in Twitter we can also safely presume that RockMelt will work well with both social networks. But, is having a Web browser that integrates well with Facebook and Twitter really that big a deal?

I don’t think so. First, I’m not crazy about how social networks, particularly Facebook, invade privacy. Just to get on the beta list, I had to give permission to Rockport to access my public Facebook account information, the ability to send me e-mail, and–this is the one that really bugs me–the right to post messages, images and video to my Facebook wall. I don’t like giving any Facebook program this much power, never-mind just a tricked-out Web browser.

Second, we already know from Flock that there’s the basic idea isn’t very attractive. Finally, I’d rather use a general purpose Web-browser for all sites than have to use two: one that’s customized for Facebook and Twitter and another for everything else.

At the end of the day, I see RockMelt as a Web browser answer for a problem that doesn’t really exist. If social networks are really important to you, chances are you’re already using a free client like TweetDeck or Gwibber. If they’re just part of what you do on the Web, then you visit them with your favorite Web-browser. Sorry, I don’t see RockMelt fitting in anywhere except down with Flock in the also-ran deeps of Web browser listings.

Kick off your day with ZDNet's daily e-mail newsletter. It's the freshest tech news and opinion, served hot. Get it.

Topics

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

Disclosure

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols is a freelance writer. He does not own stocks or other investments in any technology company.

Biography

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it.

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

Related Discussions on TechRepublic

Did you know you can take part in these discussions with your ZDNet membership?
40
Comments

Join the conversation!

Just In

good idea about facebook
gavin.chan 30th Sep
A good post. Do you know tattoo? It is quite amazing. We supply kinds of tattoo kits, tattoo machines, tattoo needles, tattoo ink and so on. Please buy tattoo needles wholesaleat wholesale price from us.2V30o
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
Loverock Davidson 8th Nov 2010
It'd be really interesting if you set up a poll with the two answers being Dumb or Stupid. As you stated, this is exactly like Flock. Lawsuits coming in the near future?
0 Votes
+ -
Huh?
Userama 8th Nov 2010
The fandroids think it's great to be able to choose from eleventy hundred Android phones. Why isn't it great to be able to choose from eleventy hundred browsers?
Personally, I think that browsers--or smartphones--that are "tied" to a particular function aren't a good idea. Android, for example, is designed to grease the pipes into Googleland and Google apps. Windows Phone is designed with a "social" slant. Why not have a general purpose phone that you customize the way you want by adding apps?
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
hiraghm@... 8th Nov 2010
@Userama

It is great to choose from eleventy hundred browsers.
I kind of like the "OffByOne" browser, myself.
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
patrick_omalley 8th Nov 2010
The problem has to do with the premise of your article, which is "Today, we already have many excellent Web browser choices."

We don't.

IE is too slow and limited in terms of working options, which is a Microsoft trademark. If you've used Google Chrome, you can't even go back to the clunkiness of IE. Chrome has problems of its own, including common bugs and a lack of support for a working Google toolbar and its functions. Firefox uses too much memory uncontrollably. I've tried the others and gave up.

Bottom line is that a better browser would be welcome, since none of the current choices is sufficient.

You should change the title of your article to "This article: Dumb or Stupid?? I?d vote all of the above.
0 Votes
+ -
Contributr
@patrick_omalley IE 8 and 9 are actually decent, and Firefox is getting better at memory management, albeit more slowly than anyone would like, and I'll take Chrome over any of them. Can they all be improved on? You betcha. Is a Chromium-based Web-browser that's customized for social network the answer? Nope. Flock wasn't and RockMelt won't be either.

Steven
0 Votes
+ -
RockMelt and Flock aren't the answer for US
Michael Alan Goff 8th Nov 2010
But I bet it's the answer for SOMEBODY.
0 Votes
+ -
@golf256

True - it will be the answer for .05% of the market - which is what the article states.
0 Votes
+ -
.05% of the market
Michael Alan Goff 8th Nov 2010
Well, really, this one might gain more traction because of the way it is being marketed. It is being called "the facebook browser". There are 500,000,000 facebook users. If it can get 1/10 of the facebook users to download it, that's something great.

Hell, if it can get 1/100, I would still consider it to be a veritable success.
0 Votes
+ -
@patrick_omalley
Why the heck would you want a toolbar on Chrome if everything that the toolbar is porting you is perferctly do-able on Chrome itself?
Common bugs? I use every day Chrome with no less than 60 tabs usually splitted in 3 or more instances. Often I browse a couple sites bad-coded that makes the processor get the sky. Enough killing them and the calm is back.
You should REALLY use Chrome intensively and then post.
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
LiquidLearner 8th Nov 2010
@nanomartin

I always read these posts and wonder... Why do you have 60 tabs open? I can't think of 60 websites I visit on a regular basis to have them open at the same time. I typically have a primary tab and if there is something linked I'll open that in a new tab, which makes IE8/9 ideal.

I was using Chrome until IE9 beta was released and now I typically use IE9 at home, Chrome on my laptop and office PC. I have never seen anyone use a browser with more than 10 tabs opened at once and usually people who do can't keep track of what's open where. In fact, with 60 tabs split between 3 browser windows how do you find what you're looking for? Is it to make you look ultra busy but in actuality your time is spent scanning for the tab you actually need?

Not a flame, I just can't fathom needing that many tabs open. Perhaps you could enlighten me.
0 Votes
+ -
@LiquidLearner

There are a lot of linear thinking people, and for them having only a couple browser windows open at a time makes sense. I am more like @nanomartin, I usually have 4 or 5 browsers going with 10-15 tabs per open.

Examples: I have FB, gmail, some poety sites, and 3 projects I am researching. So for each project I have a handful of related sites open. Plus a few zdnet pages as well. It doesn't take long to have 50 or 60 total tabs.

Then again I usually have 20+ applications running at a time and wonder how anyone can get anything done if they only have 1 open at a time.
0 Votes
+ -
Too many tabs???
Brett.Blatchley@... 10th Nov 2010
Yes, I too keep lots of browsers open with many tabs. I multitask and on each thing I'm thinking about, I may branch-off into multiple areas. When I'm learning about something, I often come across things that touch other problems I'm working-on, so I'll open them too. My "favorites" are like a filesystem. My filesystem is like a "mindmap." It drives linear-thinkers crazy, but it works well for some of us.
0 Votes
+ -
@Brett.Blatchley hehe... I'm the same - though I tend to avoid saying the actual number of tabs I have open - since you always get people that think everyone should use the computer *their* way and ask "why so many!??? I don't, so why would anyone else??!" wink

But for eg. I've currently got about 60 tickets to work through in trac, and I've usually got 5 different people on my back about 2 or 3 of those each... and need to research the issues of each ticket and find solutions.

So each ticket I'm currently working on has it's own tab/window and group of tabs for research and I switch between them constantly depending on who I'm talking to and which priorities have just changed ... and then there's the non-work related tabs and windows wink

But what I've found is that, for my usage, Chrome uses too much memory, runs slower than firefox (at that number of tabs), and tends to crash under the load (and just disappear) and I lose it all - ie. it doesn't bring back my last session.

My PC generally doesn't get rebooted for 2 months or so, during which I'm researching a lot of projects, working on multiple jobs and I can regularly get up to 4 or 5 browser windows with 30+ tabs in each.

I don't expect other people to work the way I do, but it works for me, so I use the browser that works the best for me... And with all the webdev I do, I just can't get by without my favourite Firefox extensions... I know, other browsers have extensions too, but believe me, I've tried them - many times... they just don't cut it, or integrate as well.

I've been using Chrome since 2008 (on multiple computers)... liked it initially, I think it's great for the general user that doesn't open too many pages or want too many options... but I've found the more I use it, the more I dislike it.

I still have Opera, MSIE6 - 9, Chrome and Safari on my PC (need to check my pages in all of them - the joy of web standards wink )... but the more I use them all, the more I prefer Firefox - but then I also like to customise every aspect of my PC.

Different browsers for different people, I guess wink I don't think there really is one browser that's best for everyone... at least not yet wink
0 Votes
+ -
I have my doubts.
Personally - I like ie9. For me even the beta is outstanding.
Now I asked my two teenagers...
- they thought RM is a great idea!
Why?
- it gives them one click access to their social crowd even while browsing, etc......

Well we will have to see.
I suspect this is the first of many "social" revamps of current fuctionality.

chuckle...
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
General Chat 8th Nov 2010
Flock is not that original either. There was a powwow browser in the mid to late 90's that was based on browsing together with others. I may have the name wrong but I am certain that one existed.
Very stupid
0 Votes
+ -
You're right. It tries to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Bad idea.
0 Votes
+ -
@Section8
Facebook also solved a problem that didn't exist.
0 Votes
+ -
Yet....
Brett.Blatchley@... 10th Nov 2010
Maybe the problem doesn't exist YET!

We don't know where this will go. But I've got a house full of teens and all their posse and this is the sort of thing that they would love.

I like the point goff256 made about getting even a small slice of the Facebook crowd. Maybe something like RockMelt will form the basis of a "New Thing" for agregatting social networking, like RSS has done for newsfeeds.

Yes, this has been tried before, but who knows? Maybe NOW is the time. I've had a number of very good ideas that could have been very successful (but they weren't at the time when I tried them), then years later: BANG! The idea, the resources, the timing all came together.

I think that "poo-pooing" things like this is a little like saying that "everything that's worth inventing has already been invented." (HA! Give that man a laser-pointer!)
0 Votes
+ -
Vote: Dumb - nt
ItsTheBottomLine 8th Nov 2010
nt
0 Votes
+ -
Why? Just because they can
rarsa 8th Nov 2010
When it comes to other people developing, there is no "why", always "why not?"

When they take money or time from you to develop, then you can ask "Why".

But I'm risking giving you two answers:

1. Because evolution theories also work in technology. There will be small and large mutations, some will be dumb, some others irrelevant, but eventually one may provide the right feature at the right time to improve the status quo.

2. Because not everybody's needs are the same. e.g. I still use Links (the text based browser) some times for some things.

Now my question:
Why do you think that the only purpose of a browser is to get market share?
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
hiraghm@... 8th Nov 2010
@rarsa

*clap clap clap clap clap*

Well said.
0 Votes
+ -
Try a smaller browser:
http://www.vbrowser.net
0 Votes
+ -
DUMB
Speednet 8th Nov 2010
...and stupid.
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
saveNaturefree Updated - 8th Nov 2010
If I can make it help me draw attention to saveNaturefree which is giving away a fortune, (to help save nature) it will have done some good. I'm happy with firefox but will try chrome one day. if the need arises.
0 Votes
+ -
I really don't care, if you don't like it , don't use it. I use none of the so called "social networks" so it doesn't affect me in any way. I use, IE, and FF, haven't tried any others.
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
StupidTechZealots-23432415690276115908309621553360 8th Nov 2010
Count me and some of my geek friends as part of the .05%. I like the idea. I've signed up for the beta. And I'm going to give it a try before writing it off. Crazy, right?
0 Votes
+ -
@Stocklone Nuts. I'm going to give it a shot, i really think this is the way that mainstream browsers will start going in the next few years. I think we are coming to a time on the internet where social media plays a central part, and the browser needs to be equipped for that.

So rather than writing blogs asking dumb or stupid questions based on there being "too many browsers alraedy!!1", I'm going to give it a try and judge it on it's features, its usability and convenience.
0 Votes
+ -
Which browser will you be using in 2020?
aaronvanderwal 8th Nov 2010
Asking the question "why do we need yet another browser" sort of assumes some weird stagnation in browser evolution. In 2020 you will almost certainly be using a browser which hasn't been invented yet. In 2005 I couldn't have predicted that Chrome would be my main browser in 2009.

Flock wasn't compelling to me, and I doubt Rockmelt will do better, but *something* new will appear eventually.
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
StupidTechZealots-23432415690276115908309621553360 8th Nov 2010
So I am using it. And damn it I really like it. I never have to leave my current page. So many things can be done with single clicks. And the drop down google search results is just awesome. I can quickly visit all of the search results without having to hit the back button a single time. Not once. When I use this on any of my other computers everything will be exactly the same as this computer. The RSS reader is great. What's to hate?
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
lastrachris 9th Nov 2010
@Stocklone amen.
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
hiraghm@... 8th Nov 2010
Why do you dislike competition?
What could the existence of yet another web browser possibly do to harm you, IF... IF... you are happy with your current web browser?

Me, I look forward to testing out a new web browser.
0 Votes
+ -
There's nothing wrong with having choices. You don't like it? Fine. (To be honest, I'm no fan of RockMelt either.)

What you find dumb or stupid may just be what 0.05 % of surfing folk want, because it fits their personalities or needs or wants or what-have-you.

To you, 0.05% of market share is pathetic. Maybe that's all RockMelt needs to be a success.

To be calling this or that stupid and dumb and pathetic, well, brings about a favorite expression of mine: "What Peter says about Paul says more about Peter than it does Paul."

So, what SJVN says about RockMelt says more about SJVN than it does about RockMelt.

What the heck is this? A blog to report things or a personal "look at me and read what I have to say" soap box?
0 Votes
+ -
Subject: prejudiced question or false dichotomy?
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
lastrachris 9th Nov 2010
If everything was thought on the basis of "Well there is already one out there" then nothing new and more creative would ever appear. What if the Linux founders said "Well there is already Windows and everyone seems okay with it"? Were would we be? Rocketmelt could be an unbelievable improvement against IE, Firefox, and Chrome, or possibly it could be worse. Everything can improve.
I'm 21 and a senior in college about to earn a marketing degree... also a member of AdPros (AAF).
I don't know about everyone here, but I have to use Facebook and Twitter CONSTANTLY for networking/promoting/communication with group members. If they can get the bugs out of this browser that I've noticed I would love the thing. Not only do I never have to go on Facebook or Twitter again, but all my news feeds are right on the side which I check daily.

Not sure if anyone knows this, but the side bars are easy to hide using Ctrl+Shift+right/left arrows. Out of the way when I want them to be and when I want them up, all my updates are displayed.

Plus I used Chrome before, so it really wasn't a huge transition after transferring all my bookmarks etc.
0 Votes
+ -
RE: RockMelt: Dumb or Stupid? You Decide
Non-techie Talk 17th Nov 2010
I must suggest that you change the term "important" to "dominant", because while Opera is not dominant, it may be the most important browser of all - most of the innovations gracing modern browsers (MSIE need not apply) were developed by Opera. In fact, current penetrations of some features were in Opera ten years ago.

From a purely theoretic point of view, I think tech journalists do a disservice to their readers by regurgitating too many party line positions while failing to discuss matters in a proper historical context.
0 Votes
+ -
I checked out rockmelt, I was going to agree with you about what the hell this browser is for. Seems like it's un-needed. Doesn't do anything really interesting at all.

But....you had to mentioned IE as one of the top 3 better browser. You just lost your credibility there. IE is slow as hell and buggy as crap. I don't know how many times it's crashed and locked up in one day. So much so that I don't even use that anymore. I prefer chrome or fireforx in that order. I use IE sometimes because I have to. Some websites still think it's cool to make it IE only...If these sites weren't required for work...I woldn't even go to a website that requires IE. This software is ****.
0 Votes
+ -
Rockmelt:too scary or too efficient?
smartfone 31st Mar 2011
You're just mad because you're so old you don't know how to use facebook and even if you did nobody would friend such a cranky old timer who fights advancement.

By the way, I use Rockmelt all of the time for everything, its faster and far more efficient than Firefox or Chrome or Netscape 4 or whatever it is you've become content with. Its not my fault you can't figure out how new things work.
0 Votes
+ -
good idea about facebook
gavin.chan 30th Sep
A good post. Do you know tattoo? It is quite amazing. We supply kinds of tattoo kits, tattoo machines, tattoo needles, tattoo ink and so on. Please buy tattoo needles wholesaleat wholesale price from us.2V30o

Join the conversation!

Formatting +
BB Codes - Note: HTML is not supported in forums
  • [b] Bold [/b]
  • [i] Italic [/i]
  • [u] Underline [/u]
  • [s] Strikethrough [/s]
  • [q] "Quote" [/q]
  • [ol][*] 1. Ordered List [/ol]
  • [ul][*] · Unordered List [/ul]
  • [pre] Preformat [/pre]
  • [quote] "Blockquote" [/quote]
ie8 fix
Click Here
ie8 fix

The best of ZDNet, delivered

ZDNet Newsletters

Get the best of ZDNet delivered straight to your inbox

Facebook Activity

White Papers, Webcasts, & Resources
ie8 fix
ie8 fix