Appcelerator warns Apple on possible tool ban

Appcelerator warns Apple on possible tool ban

Summary: "Our position on how we work with Apple or any OS platform" is the same. "We only communicate with documented APIs, we compile everything down to native code, and we follow the entire Xcode tool chain."


Apple may want to think twice before banning Appcelerator Titanium as a tool for building iPhone and iPad apps, vice president of marketing Scott Schwarzhoff told ZDNet Open Source.

Titanium is good enough, it works well enough, and by gosh, developers like it for building apps.

"I can't speak to the prospects of being banned. Since this started in April over 1,000 apps have been approved." By "this" Schwarzhoff means Apple's jihad against Adobe Flash, and by extension against third-party tools used to build what goes on its hardware.

Back then CEO (and former Atlantan) Jeff Haynie wrote that Titanium was fully in compliance with the Apple terms of service "as we interpret them." Schwarzhoff said there are now over 50,000 Titanium developers producing 100 new apps for the Apple platform every three days. And those apps are being approved.

"Our position on how we work with Apple or any OS platform" is the same, he said. "We only communicate with documented APIs, we compile everything down to native code, and we follow the entire Xcode tool chain."

The only thing Schwarzhoff can't give is a confirmation from Apple that open source Appcelerator is A-OK with them.

Besides, there are other mobile platforms. Android developers like Titanium. So do those working with Microsoft. And Appcelerator will have full support for the RIM Blackberry by fall. "We talk to them all the time," Schwarzhoff said.

Appcelerator presently has a survey of its developers in the field and more will be known on their feelings by Wednesday. Meanwhile, they'll take Jobs' no comment as a yes.

Topics: Apple, CXO

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  • It has to be. Section 3.3.1 is absolute in its message,

    and since when does Apple, who makes its rules and plays referee of course, breaks them?

    Oh yes, with allowing Opera onto their iPhone - a program that flagrantly duplicates functionality (Safari).

    Apple has strict rules - unless it benefits Apple for Apple to break Apple's rules.

    Appcelerator, Adobe, Java, RIM, and even Microsoft have my resolute support. Apple of recent isn't simply 'disappointing'. Apple is wrong. (oh, and to all of the "Flash is only about ads and I can turn that off, waah" people, how do you turn off HTML5-based ads? ;) )
    • Opera does not break Apple's rules since it works totally differently than

      Safari; Opera browser only loads data from Opera site, which precaches and compresses internet pages and relays this data to the iPhone running Opera browser. There is no way to use Opera Mini as Safari works.
      • RE: Appcelerator warns Apple on possible tool ban

        strange... I have an update via Cydia that allows Opera to be called for web items instead of Safari - works pretty darn good.
      • RE: Appcelerator warns Apple on possible tool ban

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  • Of those 50 thousand developers only tiny part develops for iOS

    Even at pace 230 apps per week anyone can see how few <b>of those 50 thousand developers actyally develop for iOS.</b>

    That is because by 230 apps per week is supertiny comparing to 15000 apps per week that Apple gets for iOS from its 200 000 developers.
  • 230 apps/week is NOTHING vs 15 000/week Apple gets; **ban** it right now

    And <b>no one will really notice</b>.<br><br>That if Apple will decide that this type of crossplatform tools violates the rules (which it does).<br><br>And, by the way, the phrasing of this blog article is funny -- Appcelerator can not "warn" Apple on anything.<br><br>A flea can not warn a killer whale.
  • Apple will BAN it just the same.

    Apple's developer agreement is between the developer and Apple, not between Apple and Appcelerator.

    Apple WILL BAN the use of Appcelerator even if developers want to and like it. OTHERWISE, the developer can be DROPPED by Apple. PERIOD. END OF STORY. APPLE CAN BAN THE DEVELOPER for breaking its rules.

    The developer of Appcelerator will have no leg to stand on.
  • Apple already BANNED over 5,000 apps for sexy images.

    Apple can BAN the 1,000+ apps with Apcelerator EASILY, EASILY, EASILY.

  • 1000 apcelerator apps is NOTHING.

    There are over 220,000 apps on the App Store. Banning the 1000+ Apcelerator apps is NOTHING. They won't be even missed. There are more apps coming in to replace them. After all, there are 17,000 apps being entered each week that Apple's screeners have to go through.
    • RE: Appcelerator warns Apple on possible tool ban

      It's not the size, it's the response.
      For a group to be banned for this reason will likely tip a lot of fence sitters to do the same, especially with the growing android and future winmob7 market and RIM.
      Classic case of holes popping in the dike and unless Apple works with devs to fix, the trickle can well become a flood.
  • RE: Appcelerator warns Apple on possible tool ban

    In 2-3 years, more people will be using Android phones anyway. The other day I bought an Android phone for only around USD $80. It's pretty darn good for the price and so easy to develop for.