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Can Red Hat beat Microsoft in the cloud?

By | August 26, 2010, 5:20am PDT

Summary: The cloud strategy puts Red Hat on a collision course with Microsoft.

Red Hat announced a strategy for its cloud stack, now called Cloud Foundations Edition One.

It’s about portability and interoperability. In other words it’s about standards. In line with that, Red Hat has submitted its cloud platform as a potential standard for interoperability.

At the heart of the cloud movement was always this idea that you would abstract the complexity of operating systems through virtualization, thus it wouldn’t matter on what specific piece of hardware your data and programs actually lived.

Of course that’s not how computer rivalries work. There are multiple hypervisors, multiple routes to virtualization, multiple ways to manage clouds, and multiple cloud stacks.

When seen in comparison to the ideal of a fully interoperable environment open source has a distinct advantage. When you can see the code, you can link to it more easily than if you can’t. (Try it at home. Wire up your computer with your eyes open, then do it with your eyes shut.)

The cloud strategy puts Red Hat on a collision course with Microsoft, whose Azure cloud says you should trust its portability, and trust its interoperability. Just to turn things up another notch, Red Hat said it would support its business software a full 10 years, as opposed to Microsoft’s five.

Logically Red Hat’s cloud strategy should work. Red Hat is seeking to be the center of the cloud world, while larger vendors swirl around it, and when all the rushing around is done the center is where you want to be.

But the real world is not the ideal plane. Red Hat marketing is indeed Switzerland, if you want to compare the Swiss army to that of, say, Russia. Yes it’s neutral, but if it comes to a fight I’m betting on the bear. Can Red Hat succeed without being, say, bought by IBM?

That’s the risk. It will take more than winning the Dreamworks account to assure a happy ending.

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Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for 30 years, a tech freelancer since 1983.

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Talkback Most Recent of 24 Talkback(s)

  • ZDNet Gravatar
    Loverock Davidson
    26th Aug 2010
  • When in a conversation about Operating Systems don't you feel like...
    ... don't you feel like you're getting a beating from your mum?

    You do huh. I figured you would. Now enjoy the conversation much as you can, even if getting a beating in public does your dignity no favors.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    OS Reload
    26th Aug 2010
  • RE: Can Red Hat beat Microsoft in the cloud?
    cloud strategy puts Red Hat about it is bank that website attacked from the site support from any soldier site to the light home page is great on
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    musdahi
    19th Sep
  • ... maybe after pigs are flying in the sky
    Lies, damn lies, stats and finally FOSS.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    LBiege
    26th Aug 2010
  • RE: Can Red Hat beat Microsoft in the cloud?
    @Loverock Davidson Wouldn't it be more fun to watch the game played than to call it beforehand? I'm not handing LeBron James his NBA Championship trophy quite yet, either.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    DanaBlankenhorn
    26th Aug 2010
  • RE: Can Red Hat beat Microsoft in the cloud?
    @Loverock Davidson

    Can an ant overturn an elephant?

    Only in fairy tales I'm afraid wink
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    tonymcs@...
    26th Aug 2010
  • yes
    @Loverock Davidson quote: "...With Cloud Foundations, Red Hat is on the right track with cloud by accelerating interoperability and portability to prevent cloud lock in. "

    Isn't that a good thing?

    quote: "...The company also started a site, called APIwanted.org, where external parties can submit suggestions for additional APIs and other desired functionality for Deltacloud."

    Give people what they want? That's absurd!

    Quote: "In addition to Red Hat itself, other companies participating in the development of Deltacloud, or using it in some way, include Cisco, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Ingres and Intel, the company asserted.

    Bah!... a bunch of looser nobodies! Maybe if a real company of any significance were to jump in this suggested standard could maybe see the light of day. But until then...

    Really, though, there is a difference between 'cloud' and 'smoke.' MS has been blowing smoke for some time and doesn't appear to have settled on their own proprietary standards. More vaporware? You can't even be certain what you have bought from them already will be compatible with their 'cloud' in the end.

    Red Hat is delivering the product now, and giving it away in the hope of a world of seamless interoperability. It seems they have already beaten MS, to the punch.

    But as said in a post below FOSS will win this one. People will still use windows clients, if that's their choice... key word being "choice."

    The model of the monolithic giant is over, think GM. Microsoft will remain profitable seemingly forever. But nobody is going to want to wade through their web of licensing schemes only to end up with a system that is not compatible with anyone else, but if you want any upgrades, add ons etc, you have no choice... you're locked into one vendor.

    That is unless MS gets smart and adopts Red Hat's open standards, =)

    "...only one vendor...?" where have I heard that before?
    ZDNet Gravatar
    pgit
    27th Aug 2010
  • any day of the week
    FOSS always wins.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Linux Geek
    26th Aug 2010
  • Should rephrase: Is RedHat beating MS at their game?: YES
    Microsoft is in 'denial', and I don't mean Egypt.

    The race for Virtual machine management : Red Hat is winning.

    The race for cloud integration: Red Hat and KVM are a natural fit for anyone interested in taking advantage of Utility computing, regardless of whether it comes from RH, or AWS, or Rackspace or any other Utility service, Red Hat will always be in the stack space mix because of the scaling and economy and JBOSS.

    Oracle has no bone to pick with anything other than Android's clean-room implementation of Dalvik:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_%28software%29

    But Oracle will come out the loser in that battle.
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    Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate
    26th Aug 2010
  • Not getting it
    Google and Amazon are number 1 and 2 in cloud - with M$ coming in a distant 3rd. Do both Google and Amazon use DeadRat? I thought Google had its own Linux distro/strategy/architecture. Enlighten me.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Roger Ramjet
    26th Aug 2010
  • A bunch of hosted jboss is not a cloud pllatform, or strategy
    its just a way to make noise and try to fool the stupid into thinking you're on your way to one. this can go head to head with google/amazon but it doesnt begin to compete with what azure offers as a cloud based distributed application platform. This is just the typical fudslinging of someone technologically way behind...
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    Johnny Vegas
    26th Aug 2010
  • Azure is just more of the same but packaged in a different form
    azure is just a way for MS to keep on selling windows licenses. "Not a true cloud" many say, it's just a plain old datacenter with microsoft's old clunker powering it but dressed with a modern coat.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    OS Reload
    26th Aug 2010
  • RE: Can Red Hat beat Microsoft in the cloud?
    @OS Reload
    You're not considering the huge legion of .net developers out there who would gravitate to azure because .net integrates with azure easily.
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    rengek
    26th Aug 2010
  • RE: Can Red Hat beat Microsoft in the cloud?
    @OS Reload,
    What do you mean by "Not a true cloud" when refering to Azure? Since the definition of cloud computing technology is very nebulous (at least to me), I wonder how Azure can be categorized as such.
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    bmonsterman
    26th Aug 2010
  • RE: Can Red Hat beat Microsoft in the cloud?
    @OS Reload

    Microsoft's Strategy is to win over existing .Net developers. What they have created with Azure is roughly cloud editions of some of their products, so in theory you get a more scalable application, with a total lower cost of ownership.

    That they have failed to do is, is make the transition for an existing .Net app easy, what a PITA you almost have to look at Azure as a platform for new .Net applications.

    And to think Azure works for anything other .Net is a fallacy, so while MS claims Azure will work for PHP or Ruby apps there are cheaper, less painful alternatives. Why on earth would you put a PHP app on Azure, when you would get better scaling from Rackspace's CloudSites, which are meant for PHP apps.

    So if your building a new .Net application Azure is pretty good choice (never mind that MS now has you from a lock-in perspective.)

    That is why I think RedHat has a chance.
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    kcanis
    27th Aug 2010

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