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Canonical releases Component Catalog for Ubuntu & Linux

By | February 10, 2011, 7:57am PST

Summary: Canonical answers the question: “Will it work with Linux?” for OEMs.

“But will it work with Linux?” That’s a question that many end-users has asked over the years about PC components and peripherals. Lately, the answer is usually yes. Thanks to vendors like Dell and the efforts of the Linux Driver Project, very few devices and components won’t work at all with Linux. At the same time, Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) have faced the same problem at a lower level. Now, Canonical, Ubuntu Linux’s parent company, has announced that it’s opening up its complete database of certified components for Ubuntu and Linux.

That’s good news. It means Original Design Manufacturers (ODMs) working on Ubuntu or Linux notebooks and PCs can much more quickly design systems that they can be sure will work with Linux and Ubuntu in particular.

The catalog presents ODMs and OEMs with a selection of over 1,300 certified components from 161 manufacturers. The database laid out both by vendor, and by type of component. With the former you can quickly see, for example, what ATI, NIVIDIA, and Broadcom have to offer, and with the latter you can find out who’s offering Linux-certified Integrated Drive Electronics (IDE), USB and touch interfaces. You can also search the catalog for specific equipment.

In a statement, Victor Palau, Platform Services Manager at Canonical said, “There has not been a comprehensive, up-to-date freely available catalog like this for a long time. By making this open and easily searchable we want to speed the component selection for Ubuntu machines, and allow us and our partner manufacturers to focus on the value-added user experience.”

According to Ubuntu, with this database, “corporate buyers can specify the design of their Ubuntu desktops or servers from manufacturers much more efficiently. Individuals can be sure that the key components of the machine they are considering will work with their preferred Ubuntu or Linux distribution. The PC and server industry will also have a simple single source to publicize the work that they do in certifying Linux components and making that knowledge freely available.”

In addition, Canonical has also released a listing of Ubuntu certified complete PCs, laptops and servers.

While this new catalog is handy, it leaves me wanting more. It would be great if say the Linux Foundation could put together a comprehensive list from not just Canonical but all the major Linux distributors, such as Red Hat and Novell, and the hardware members of the Linux Foundation like Intel, NEC, and Qualcomm. What Canonical has done is useful. A comprehensive vendor-neutral catalog would be even better.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it!

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RE: Canonical releases Component Catalog for Ubuntu & Linux
NCWeber 24th Feb 2011
@GrizzledGeezer To be fair, if you want to run Windows software, you run it in Windows. Now, in Linux, you can either run the software in WINE, or find a Linux equivalent. Or, as your third option, setup your system to dual boot, and choose which OS you want to use today. These days, systems can be very flexible.
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Excellent news
pjotr123 10th Feb 2011
This is a really big help! Now I'll know for sure beforehand, that what I'll buy will work in Ubuntu.

Thanks for sharing this news. happy
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And yet more Choice for Everyone
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 10th Feb 2011
Linux
Do what you want.
great idea. Very helpful
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Wonderful
olddogv 10th Feb 2011
While only one item has failed to work on Ubuntu, (an Acer laptop webcam that was unused anyhow), this catalog will ease a lot of tension in the future. The great variety of drivers and such that load as needed is one of the main reasons we've pretty much switched to Ubuntu
"What Canonical has done is useful. A comprehensive vendor-neutral catalog would be even better."
How can Linux, an open source OS, provide a vendor-neutral catalog?
@coachgeorge
Easy--someone tests hardware, determines if it works, and compiles a catalog of results. It doesn't have to be done by the organization that publishes the software, and nothing says that these people couldn't cooperate anyway...
@coachgeorge Why wouldn't this be possible and what does open source have to do with it?
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Seriously?!
Hasam1991 10th Feb 2011
Like anyone is really using Linux on the desktop... it's 2011 people! Linux is so Y2K!
@Hasam1991

A valley girl impressing us with her English skills. rof,llll.
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Reply to Hasam1991
Joe.Smetona Updated - 10th Feb 2011
@Hasam1991

Do you work for BlockBuster .?? Oh I Mean Microsoft. happy
@Hasam1991 I don't think so. Linux desktop is only getting better. With Ubuntu 11.04 coming out soon and Red Hat's release of Top Hat, not to mention new Debian and Gnome 3, Linux on the desktop is expanding. Perhaps not as quickly as proponents would like, but it is moving in a positive direction.
It should help to block out those sales from companies that do not want to partake in the Linux revolution. Example Canon products should not be purchased.
@e8hffff
Get with the times buddy. Actually Canon appear to be the only printer manufacturers that actually produce Linux drivers that allow you to see the ink level in their printers. They are not perfect - but they **do** work (with Ubuntu Lucid). That includes the latest products as well. The drivers are there to download on their website...
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You are both correct ...
MisterMiester Updated - 12th Feb 2011
@Bob Wya

To be fair it's Canon USA that has a total disregard for Linux drivers and support. Only Canon Pacific-Asia, which includes Australia, had proper drivers and support for most Canon printers but not for any of the USA only models.
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I'm glad that they have done this. I'm tired of the "plug & pray" method! Thanks for the info.
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Who gives a damn whether the hardware works...
GrizzledGeezer 10th Feb 2011
What about the software? Will Ventura Publisher run under Linux? How about the software for LEGO MindStorms? Or Microsoft Word? What good is the hardware if it won't run the software you want to use?
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Here are 4 options.
Joe.Smetona Updated - 11th Feb 2011
@GrizzledGeezer

The best answer would be to install free VirtualBox 4, then install XP or 7, then install whatever Windows software you want within the virtual machine. You'll have the security and protection of Linux and if you do get infected, it will not take down your whole computer. You can re-install XP or 7 in the virtual machine without affecting other parts of your computer.

You could install free Wine, which is not an emulator, but rather works with the Windows API to allow running Windows program within Linux. Most programs work the same as in Windows, however ones that are more complicated like Tax programs or those heavily involved with Active-X may experience problems. I've gotten very sophisticated CAD programs to work perfectly using Wine. The software repositories for Ubuntu and Linux provide over 30,000 programs, you can probably find a suitable Linux equivalent. Using Online programs like (FreeTaxUSA) is another alternative since they are browser driven and don't need a specific OS.

Another alternative would be to use open source alternatives like Open Office instead of Word. It has never presented a problem to our family if you save your work as a .doc, .xls, mdb or .ppt file. My daughter has been using it for her HS and college assignments for years. I find it's a lot more stable than MS office and also more secure.

You can wait for the software company to provide a Linux version that can be run on your type of Linux. Ubuntu and Mint use .deb files. Linux is becoming more popular and companies may find they have to provide Linux versions to compete, especially for college students. See my program listing in "Recommendation for Hardware" below.

It's important to know that Microsoft Active-X controls were developed to allow outside programs to gain an intentional and increased control over your computer. Most agree these tools available to programmers always presented a security risk. At the least, they allowed an efficient channel for spyware to be installed.

Linux does not support Active-X for security reasons, neither do Open Source browsers like FireFox and Chrome. If your program relies heavily on Active-X, you may have to use the VirtualBox to run Windows within Linux.
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@GrizzledGeezer Do you not know how to read the label on the software and see the requirements? If it says Windows is required then there you go.

Hardware often doesn't have anything telling you the platforms for which there are drivers.

And if it doesn't run the software you want to use then don't use it. It runs the software that other people want to use so they use it. Hell I say the same thing about Windows servers but yet the folks around me still insist on using it because they don't know how to do anything if theres not a button to click.
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@storm14k

... actually every discreet piece of hardware i have ever picked up to look at listed OS versions it had drivers provided for on its package... these are all equipment supplied drivers...
@GrizzledGeezer
You make a good point > if an OS is not able to satisfy your needs it's no good for you - the very reason I'm using Linux myself.

If your needs make Linux unsuitable for your needs then perhaps your better off with some other OS - it's great to have a choice, no?

P.S. Don't know about LEGO software but you can run Word on Linux - to get commercial support (like you get with Windows+Word from M$) you can pay a little for software formerly known as Crossover Office.

It's great to have a choice.
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@GrizzledGeezer

who gives a damn about the software if the hardware won't work?

sorry, but if i can't boot the hardware with the selected OS, software that is 300% guaranteed to work with the OS is still worthless

case in point: i have a computer that was given to me, never even head of the motherboard manufacturer, runs great in Linux, and i'm currently using it as a media server and player. windows XP, vista, and 7 could not successfully load drivers for the sound subsystem, and the drivers from the motherboard manufacturer's website bluescreened all 3 versions of windows on install (yes, they were listed as Microsoft Certified).

in this case Linux works where Windows fails... what do i care if program in windows works if windows itself won't work?

that said, i've had good results with WINE too, including having successfully run Microsoft Office update on an office 2003 install running with WINE. so yes, Microsoft Word will work in Linux
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@erik.soderquist
I think your case is very typical. Windows cannot do what Linux does with drivers. It was never designed or intended to provide 100% connectivity with your hardware.

In my experience, Wiindows has gotten a lot better over the years by supplying more drivers and it appears to cover more hardware from the initial install in the process. Old days Windows 98 left you with nothing and the desktop resolution was 600X480.

Typically, what is labelled an MS driver really is a repackaged driver from the hardware vendor involved. A windows install will require searching down what hardware is present and visiting the corresponding website and getting the latest drivers. If you are working independently of an OEM (already installed) OS with drivers, you have some work cut out for you. And possibly some experimentation to get things right. Sometimes, you have to think outside of the box and use available drivers for other hardware or another OS. --> experimentation.

Restore disks used to be provided with the computer, but now you either have to create them yourself or use a restore partition on your hard drive.

Linux just is expected and designed to connect to everything during the install. It's amazing how well it succeeds. I install the NVidia driver (from 3 selections) after I install Linux Mint 10. It's not supported by Linux so since it's closed source, any improvements or fixes have to come from NVidia. I use Compiz-Fusion which supports up to 16 independent desktops on a rotating polygon and the NVida driver gets the most out my onboard graphics on my very, very cheap desktop computer.

Also, with Windows and the problems you mentioned, try re-installing the Video driver after installing all the other drivers. My experience has been that crashes as you describe usually result from the video memory being overwritten by another program. Sometimes, if you install the video driver last, it will prevent this from happening and correct the problem. Video memory is allocated to defined address locations and is designed (as much as possible) to prevent conflicts with other programs.
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@Joe.Smetona

i've had issues with video drivers like you described too... and done what you've described... on some it worked, others it didn't...

my background with computer hardware and drivers goes back to 386 processors and the ISA bus.

in this case with the sound drivers, i got fed up and set out to prove that for whatever reason, the various sets of drivers i had didn't work for the hardware even though they were "certified" to...

virgin installs of XP, Vista, and 7, no other drivers loaded, not connected to the internet, using a USB thumb drive to transfer the drivers, i ghosted each install before loading drivers, and restored the ghost image between each test...

every combination of driver versions from the motherboard manufacturer's website fatally bluescreened every version of windows.

after that, tried windows update on the virgin loads, no bluescreens, but no sound either, and on reboot, device manager reported that the drivers were not installed, even though windows update and device manager reported the drivers installed and working fine before rebooting.

as the only manufacturer website was in an asian language (japanese i think, but i didn't pay much attention, the translations were clean enough i could reliably confirm the model number for the downloads), i suspect the manufacturer provided drivers might have been dependent on an asian language installation of windows.

i gave up and loaded Linux (mythbuntu distro, a customized ubuntu with mythTV) and had everything working in under an hour
@GrizzledGeezer I'd rather use Scribus and save the $699. In other news, they still make Ventura.
@GrizzledGeezer To be fair, if you want to run Windows software, you run it in Windows. Now, in Linux, you can either run the software in WINE, or find a Linux equivalent. Or, as your third option, setup your system to dual boot, and choose which OS you want to use today. These days, systems can be very flexible.
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Recommendation for Hardware.
Joe.Smetona Updated - 11th Feb 2011
I purchased a HP De-Branded Desktop a while ago. It came with a keyboard, standard mouse and no OS. It was under $250.00 with shipping, It has a dual core, 64-bit AMD 7550 processor, 2 GB RAM, NVidia integrated graphics, 300 GB HDD, Multi DVD-CD RW, and works great with Mint 10. I have a 19" Acer monitor that I use along with a Brother HL-2040 Laser Printer. It's a snap to install the OS, only about 8 minutes and then I install the NVidia Driver and set up the Compiz Fusion. It plays DVD's right after the install.
Everything works great.

Other Linux software I install:

Google Chrome 64
Google Picasa
Google Earth
Filezilla
VirtualBox 4
K3B for Gnome
Chess
Opera
TrueCrypt
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Not so new
Sagax- 15th Feb 2011
In the early days, Red Hat maintained a list of hardware that would work with Linux. I have not checked lately to see if it was still there.
Linux is gathering pace, as most people on this board will agree, and Microsoft needs to be aware of it or better still embrace it...

Dawleylad
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