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HP: The Linux Desktop Company

By | March 9, 2011, 8:25am PST

Summary: For years, HP has had a love/hate relationship with desktop Linux. Now, it will be putting its webOS Linux variant on all of its PCs.

Well, I didn’t see this coming. HP CEO Leo Apotheker, according to Bloomberg/Newsweek said that “every one of the PCs shipped by HP will include the ability to run WebOS in addition to Microsoft Corp.’s Windows.” I knew HP was serious about webOS, its Linux-based tablet/smartphone operating system. I didn’t know that HP was this serious.

For years, with the exception of Dell, most major PC vendors have been very reluctant to offer desktop Linux. This has been because they were afraid of upsetting the 800-pound gorilla of desktop operating systems: Microsoft.

The sales were there. I’ve been told by sources both at Dell and Canonical that pre-installed Ubuntu Linux PC sales alone have been in the millions. That may not be a lot compared to Windows, but given how hard most PC companies have made it to even shop for Linux-powered PCs, I think it’s darn impressive.

HP was one of the worse that way. HP was the last of the major original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) to support desktop Linux. Even after HP finally joined the club, the company made it almost impossible to buy its SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED) computers. Paradoxically, HP has always done an outstanding job of selling and supporting Linux servers.

HP’s plan seems to be to use webOS on all of HP’s PC and laptop lines as an embedded alternative operating system to Windows. This isn’t a new idea. Splashtop, which was recently made available as an installable Linux desktop for Windows user, has been doing this for years. Today, under a variety of names, you’ll find Splashtop Linux on laptops from Acer, Dell, and Lenovo and many other brands. Indeed, HP was one of the first to use Splashtop as embedded, instant-on Linux back in 2009.

Regardless of the PC’s maker the idea is always the same: Give Windows users a really fast-to-boot and safe operating system that they can use for Web browsing. In part, that’s what HP will be doing with webOS. It’s more than that though. HP really wants webOS to be more than just an also-ran in the new tablet operating system world. Indeed, with this move HP has made it clear that wants to be a desktop operating system power as well.

If I were Microsoft I’d be worried. Yes, HP is only offering webOS as a built-in alternative to Windows. But, what if it turns out that users don’t just like it, but really like it? What if HP discovers after a year that its users prefer webOS’ unified tablet and desktop look and feel over Windows? Would HP stop paying for those expensive Windows 7 licenses and start releasing combination tablet/laptops like Lenovo’s ThinkPad X220 powered only by webOS?

Of course, HP would! They’d be fools not to. Without the Windows tax, HP could either undercut the prices of their competition, make more profits on PCs and laptops’ notoriously thin-margins, or, in the best of both worlds, do both. Thanks to the sudden rise of tablets, I think HP has finally gotten over their fear of Microsoft and is moving to their own take on the Linux desktop as fast as they can.

Mind you, HP isn’t calling webOS a Linux desktop, anymore than Android vendors are admitting that their smartphones are running Linux. Linux has a reputation for being hard to use and suitable only for techies. But, webOS and Android? They’re easy! So it is that Linux is stealthily making its way onto our tablets, smartphones, and now thanks to HP, entire PC and laptop lines.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it!

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
Real World 9th Mar 2011
Users are going to use whatever is the default, and complain about anything that's different from what they're used to.
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d.marcu 9th Mar 2011
@Real World, agree, google poured lots of cash is a black hole called android, i think, a dead end project. Nobody likes new stuff.
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@d.marcu
You can't base everything off of Android. A lot of what they did has been discontinued.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
yondering 9th Mar 2011
@d.marcu black hole and dead end project are hardly what come to mind when reading market share reports. - http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/01/android-beats-nokia-apple-rim-in-2010-but-firm-warns-about-2011.ars
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
teacher006 Updated - 9th Mar 2011
@d.marcu You must be an idiot. Black Hole? Try reading something besides your Windows 7 Help files. Android is now leading all cell phone operating systems in sales, yes including Blackberry who used to be number one.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
d.marcu 10th Mar 2011
@yondering, teacher006,LOL, open a dictionary and look for SARCASM
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
garethmcc 10th Mar 2011
@d.marcu Dead end? Android now has a larger market share than iOS. How is that dead?
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jscott69 10th Mar 2011
@d.marcu

People ... relax ... he was being sarcastic.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
pantheraleo 11th Mar 2011
@d.marcu Sarcasm. But I don't think you can compare the desktop to the phone. There seems to be a much different mindset when it comes to what users expect from their phone vs. what they expect from their desktop. Almost all desktop users, 10 times out of 10, are going to boot into Windows. Not WebOS. Because Windows is what they know and are comfortable with.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
iExist 13th Mar 2011
@d.marcu
I disagree with you, Android is a great platform. For starters it is not tied to Apple, that's 5 points in my scale. But beyond that, Android is an excellent OS, I use it, and I had experience with iPhones and they are very similar. But Android is more versatile in terms of applications.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
Jeffrey1980 8th Sep
@d.marcu android will outlast most of the competitors and will be the only real competition for iOS from Apple

posted via Xoom Motorla Tablet PC
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
cosuna 9th Mar 2011
@Real World : just as users used the default PCDOS system on their IBM PCs—back on the 80's—, but started adding Microsoft Windows on a side.

Once Windows was stable enough, they dumped PCDOS and were using Windows exclusive apps.

Of course, that was a long time ago, and people don't tend to remember things too far back.
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keith.hirons1@... 10th Mar 2011
@cosuna: I remember PCDOS and DRDOS strange how Windows looked like the DRDOS operating system, am I the only 64 year old user who uses both windows and Linux?. there again I also remember Unix and Cobol systems. A change has been needed for a long time and now is that time. TOF
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Well, Dumped DOS Apps Anyway
CFWhitman 10th Mar 2011
@cosuna
Yes, they dumped DOS apps for Windows Apps. Remember, though, that DOS was just a program that ran on Windows at the time. They didn't ostensibly dump DOS until they went from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95, and they didn't really dump DOS until they went from Windows 98 to Windows XP.

Of course, while Windows 3.1 was out Microsoft was making efforts to leverage Windows 3.1 to be sure that people were running MS-DOS instead of PC DOS or DR-DOS. Efforts like having Windows throw a false General Protection Fault error after doing a DOS version check and finding that it wasn't MS-DOS that it was started in.
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Jimster480 10th Mar 2011
@cosuna I dont see Windows going away.
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phil8192 15th Mar 2011
@cosuna
"Of course, that was a long time ago, and people don't tend to remember things too far back."

I do. In fact, I'm still running DOS programs on some Windows 98SE machines, and more recently have begun running those same DOS programs in DOSBOX on an Ubuntu Linux system. Why rewrite perfectly good programs if they still do the job?
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
robsku 17th Mar 2011
@CFWhitman
Uh, DOS was not a program running on Windows, it was the exact opposite - and in fact while with Win 3.x this was obvious to anyone (you booted to DOS and typed "Win") this was still true, even if hidden, with Win 95 through 98 up to ME which still ran on top of MS-DOS.
Change is the one constant, in IT more than most industries.

User adapt, as they have with changes to windows. The network effect for windows was the WIN32 API, but today with the transition to web based apps the need is diminishing (hence explosion is alternatives).

All bad news for MS these days:-)
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Maybe in your world
John Zern 14th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude
where the only MS news allowed is bad news.
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It's not a tax its a cost
otaddy 9th Mar 2011
SJVN: There's no such thing as a windows tax, it's a cost. And BTW, do you think WebOS will just work without any additional costs/efforts on HP's part?

Interesting though that they would rather develop their own OS, rather than use Ubuntu, or any of the other distros!
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
pmshah@... 9th Mar 2011
@otaddy

They did not develop WebOS - They got it as part of the deal purchasing Palm.
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WebOS costs money too
otaddy 10th Mar 2011
@pmshah Uh, they didnt get it for free and they have to keep developing it, that isnt free either.

I am interested to see how WebOS looks/works, but again, why not use a existing distro? If Ubuntu is such a great seller for hp, then why not include it? There is a lot of fuzzy math here...
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It Becomes a Tax When You Use Something Else
CFWhitman Updated - 10th Mar 2011
@otaddy
The reason that people refer to the license cost for Windows as the "Windows tax" is that both OEMs and consumers have had to pay the cost even when they didn't use the operating system.

In the past Microsoft made deals with OEMs that required them to pay for a Windows license on computers that they shipped with any operating system, thus removing any incentive to ship alternative operating systems. That was a big part of how they blocked any hope for OS/2 to become competitive. These companies had the choice of either (1)agreeing to the terms, (2)not selling Windows computers at all (which most OEMs were afraid to do), or (3)paying for Windows at the non-OEM rate (which they couldn't afford to do, and so was essentially the same as (2)).

HP would rather use WebOS for this for three reasons I can think of off the top of my head.

First, they paid for it when they acquired Palm so they may as well use it.

Second, they want to promote a unified interface across all their devices, so they have to use something that is ready for handheld devices (that means not Ubuntu or SUSE or anything for which a handheld version is not ready).

Third, this is not the open source GNU/Linux operating system that Linux distributions are, but the open core, proprietary WebOS/Linux operating system, and nobody else can use it without paying HP for licenses.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
Jimster480 10th Mar 2011
@otaddy I find it dumb and don't see it going anywhere. Thats like vendors shipping Android laptops. Its a mobile OS, not a desktop/laptop OS. Just because it can run on x86 doesn't make it full blown.
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Windows 'tax' nonsense
WilErz 11th Mar 2011
@ CFWhitman

Microsoft agreed to stop per-CPU licensing in 1994. It isn't why OS/2 failed against Windows 95.

When the best Linux advocates can do against Windows is to dredge up business practices from nearly 20 years ago (which, by the way, were perfectly acceptable until Microsoft's operating systems became too popular), it doesn't speak well of the quality of their arguments.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
jessiethe3rd 10th Mar 2011
Woopdiedoo...
Honestly, it leads because of sheer magnitude of devices upon magnitude of carriers.
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Cylon Centurion 9th Mar 2011
I'm willing to bet not. If ChromeOS has show us anything its the fact that there is really no need for a 3rd desktop OS.
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ChromeOS is not really an OS.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 9th Mar 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005
It is a browser appliance that only supports cloud operations. Now, I would submit that we do need a 2nd desktop OS in that we have only one OS which is Windows. Apple doesn't align with this because it is mandatory overpriced hardware as a condition of purchase. We be it ChromeOS (ugggh), WebOS, Ubuntu, whatever, there needs to be a good "other" OS available head to head against Windows.

Is that WebOS, I have no idea. I took it for a spin a year ago and it was very very lacking, I may go give it a spin today.

TripleII
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
Cylon Centurion Updated - 9th Mar 2011
@TripleII

I still count Apple. Personally, either the consumer is buying a Windows based PC, or they're buying a Mac. I have yet to see your average user actively hunt down a Linux based PC.

I agree with your sentiment on ChromeOS though
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Graham Ellison 9th Mar 2011
@TripleII I'm not sure what your term: "Apple doesn't align with this..." means. Apple is the second OS, and for anyone who's concerned enough to look into it logically and carefully, the most sensible choice.

Your contention that Apple include: "mandatory overpriced hardware as a condition of purchase" is frankly very short-sighted.

As a business we chose Apple and OS X as the system with the lowest total cost of ownership. We have zero IT costs for instance. The learning curve for operators not familiar with OS X is half that of Windows trained operators on Windows machines! Reliability is much better, so downtime is virtually zero. The value derived from a lack of any credible security issues is simply off the scale. Internal recycling of machines lengthens the life of top end models to well beyond 4 years. Finally, staff morale is higher.

So, if all you do is look at the cost of a Mac compared with a cheaply made ugly Windows box, then you're completely missing the point. And far from being a negative, buying a computer from the same company that made the OS is a HUGE advantage. Would you buy a car from Ford and accept their insistence that all your engine issues were down to Toyota - because they sold it to you with a Toyota engine? It's not Apple's system that's warped and bucks the norm, it's Microsoft's. It's also Microsoft's that's ultimately doomed.

What I will say is that Apple don't push their equipment to the enterprise in any visible or concerted manner. Resellers do to some extent, but this is nothing compared with the massive marketing machine Microsoft has operating all over the world. The very fact that they have Microsoft accreditation at the core, is a testament to their mission - which is obviously to sell Windows. With no genuine vested interest in the end user experience, MS is just an OS box pusher.

So, all those companies that do adopt Apple, without any concerted input from Apple, either directly or indirectly, are doing so not because they are all 'fanboys', but because they study all the factors.

I've compared specs and TCOs with all the major PC manufacturers and nothing even comes close. The only way to spend less in cash terms [ignoring all the other important factors], is to suffer the hell that is navigating Dell's website and buy the end of line stuff they knock out cheap occasionally. But then you end up with a Dell, and an old Dell, so you also end up buying new machines more often.

By buying strategically - the best machines at the best price at the right time, I've future proofed my business - thanks to Apple - and saved money.
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saraithegeek 9th Mar 2011
@Graham Ellison

"We have zero IT costs for instance"

That's incredible. Do your IT employees work for free? Do you salvage your machines from the dump (insert Apple joke here)?
You can say that Apple has decreased your IT costs and I might have accepted that, but come on. Servers, with software, cost thousands of dollars new. Switches, routers, even ethernet cable is absurdly expensive. Workstations can run you 700-1,000 a piece depending on how beefy they need to be. No self-respecting IT employee over like 20 years old would work for less than $50,000/yr + benefits.
Reality check much?
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garyleroy@... Updated - 9th Mar 2011
@saraithegeek You have to be among the believers to fully understand. A true Apple Zealot knows that Apple hardware is cheaper because nothing ever goes wrong with it, it's much faster, better built, and plus you get the big glowing Apple logo to impress your friends.

No IT help is needed because it's so simple and user-friendly, anyone, even schoolkids, can set it up, yet it can perform the most complicated tasks instantly, and could solve all the world's problems if only everyone was enlightened. The machines never crash, everything works perfectly, (and if it doesn't you blame someone else, certainly not Apple), there are no viruses (well, OK, one, but nobody ever had any problem with it), it makes companies prosper, all the users and employees smile, the customers are treated better, everything is 100% secure, it can't be hacked, you don't need any software that is not available, just ask Apple, and good ol' Stevie Jobs is just the coolest, nicest guy you can imagine, who puts his customers' and employees' interests before his.

And the pigs that are flying overhead will never drop a load on an Apple user, only on Windows users, because everything is just peachy and hunky-dory in Apple Heaven.
This message carries the Apple seal of approval, and the fee has been paid to the igods, so Apple users are authorized to read it.
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There's gonna be a 2nd destop alternative...
cosuna Updated - 9th Mar 2011
...but it won't come from where everybody expects. This partly due to the momentum of the iPad and the influx slates will have on the desktop and people's perception of things.

So we will see competitors coming from all sorts of places to wage this UI wars.

Today two OS dominate the scene, each on their respective side, with no inbreeding. Windows XP on the desktop side and Android on the mobile side.

Ironically, even though iPhone and Windows 7and I mean Win7 not WP7 as am comparing both sides of the spectrumare doing Okey, they are situated on the periphery of the fight. Both can innovate, but the overall market is lead by the "just-good-enough".

So the real new UI will have to be born inhabiting the other ones (XP or Android).

Currently we have two inhabiting scenarios.

Android with Desktop. Aka Motorola Altrix, with an unknown desktop companion; and
Windows with Fast Boot companion: Aka Splashtop and this new HP "webOS Desktop" (which is not to be confused with the current webOS, since they are going to share only the name)

Both are inbreeds, and we will see more of this phenomenon coming from both sides.

Whose gonna win? The one that can address both situations with ease, so OEMs and ODMs (from smartphones and laptops alike) will start preferring it on all its products.

That's the real contender to Windows, in the long run.

P.S.: The underlying kernel will always be Linux as it is the only one that can run both on Intel and ARM and needs a minimal footprint to boot.
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Chrome OS is more of an OS than Android
daboochmeister Updated - 9th Mar 2011
@TripleII - in fact, if you study what was done to the Linux kernel in making Chrome OS, more fundamental changes occurred than in the design of Android (and yet no one balks at calling Android an OS). The Android changes will likely eventually make their way into the mainstream Linux kernel (well ... probably) -- the Chrome OS changes, I'm not so sure. If it catches on (and criticize all you want, reality is that the first Chrome OS production device hasn't even shipped yet, so it certainly could catch on), it may very well live on as what is effectively a Linux fork.
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Different accounting procedure.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 9th Mar 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005
I don't count OS-X as a second OS choice simply because it is bundled with mandatory hardware. Windows is technically not bundled to any hardware choice (as a business model yes, technically it isn't and shouldn't be). So, for the masses, you have !Apple hardware = Windows only.

TripleII
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
Graham Ellison 9th Mar 2011
@TripleII This reply doesn't make sense and is a very poor attempt to prove a point that can't be proven, simply because it isn't true - in the majority of PC sales as a whole. The fact is that 90% of computers sold are sold with Windows on board, thanks to Microsoft's virtual cartel modus operandi. I agree this shouldn't be the case [it's been very vad for the industry for 30 years], but because it is, you have to include Apple's OS X as the second OS for no better reason than that it is.

Also, Apple's ownership of the hardware is advantageous - to both Apple and end user.

The main difference is that Microsoft's lack of ownership of the hardware is disadvantageous - to both MS and end user.

So the computer buyer has a simple choice:

Windows - any PC manufacturer

OS X - Apple

Accounting has nothing whatsoever to do with it - unless it's 'creative accounting'.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
YetAnotherBob 10th Mar 2011
@TripleII

Linux is larger than you give it credit for. Most Linux is installed on computers that were shipped with Windows. This is because the same computer with no OS, or with some Linux is more expensive than the Windows. That extra cost is why Linux people refer to the Microsoft Tax. Manufacturers are billed by Microsoft based on total computers sold, not total Windows installs.

However, the real numbers of Linux boxes out there are quite large. Servers are where it can be checked best. There, Windows servers outsell Linux servers, but half of the Windows servers get the software replaced with Linux. The second largest Linux version for servers, Debian is not installed by the manufacturer. Neither is Slackware or Gentoo. Both are several percent of total servers worldwide.

Desktop, Linux is nearly up with Apple. That is why Microsoft in their reports to DOJ give total Microsoft usage numbers as around 85%. You should be using the same numbers. Two years ago it was 94%.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
virtualspectre8@... 9th Mar 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005 There should be a third good OS,or even more OSs, competition is healthy. Saying that we don't need a third OS is like saying, "We don't need a third car brand". In the smartphone market we have lots' of operating systems and that is what makes this market so interesting and that's why it's moving so fast. Competition drives companies to be better, it drives better security, innovation, features etc.

Desktop operating systems haven't suffered a huge change since the inception of the "Desktop" paradigm because Microsoft decided to exterminate the competition. I'm sure that if MS didn't exterminate the competition, the desktop computer would be a very different beast these days. But no, we still have the same old taskbar and docks and the mess of icons on the desktop.

I don't think Web OS will be the answer, but at least users can use something else than Windows or Mac without having to install it themselves.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
Cylon Centurion 9th Mar 2011
@virtualspectre8@...

While I agree competition is a good thing, I still agree that the desktop belongs to Microsoft and Apple. It's just not a worthy battlefield anymore... Those two keep eachother going more than a third tire (linux) has.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
iExist Updated - 13th Mar 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005
Competition is healthy, it leads to improvement in quality. IMO an ideal balancing would be the rising in Linux usage (real Linux, not stripped down dummy OSes). But this is very dependent on the companies making them. Sometimes you see a lot of fuss, talking discussions and opinions, and in the end you get the same unfinished product with promises for fixes in the next version, problem is it is never fully fixed. The companies responsible for distributions need to be more active and not to roll out a new version every six month just because they can.

I am no fan of Apple, never will be. Hate their OS, both mobile and desktop, wouldn't use an iPhone even if Steve Jobs came all the way to my house and gave it to me. BUT, I admit that their products are great for the average user. High quality, more stable than Win, better integrated (to those who debated whether hardware and software from the same manufacturer is an advantage, it is a HUGE advantage) , solid and far more secure than Windows. If you're an average user what do you prefer, the Windows nightmare, or a slick smooth OS, easy to use, that runs with less errors than its competitors? I am saying this without sarcasm, and I personally don't use it (had an experience, and know users).

If Canonical can come close to that kind of user experience with Ubuntu, you will get a third player in the OS battle. The difference is: it will be more flexible and customizable, for both the average Joe, and the tech savvy user and most important OPEN.

@Graham Ellison:
Zero IT costs simply can't be true. How many people do you have? If it's a small office with 5-6 workstations or a print publishing that is reasonable. But if you want to go beyond, you need servers. Apple servers, does it even exist? I can imagine the commercial for that: "Hi I am an apple server... ". This is not their target audience, if it ever will be, we will see a significant decrease in requirement to be an IT professional. But speaking seriously, once you grow you need AD for your users, exchange for email, databases, servers for applications... Apple doesn't make those, they make desktops for home users, iPhones, iPads, iPods and the next iWontRealyUseIt.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
prof123 15th Mar 2011
@iExist
The average Joe wants to turn on the computer, check his email, facebook, do some web browsing, read some news, occasionally type a letter and that is about it. The do not want to deal with spyware, malware, virus scans, slowdowns... They do not want to go to the START button to turn the damn thing off...
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
statuskwo5 9th Mar 2011
Another neutered version of Linux on desktop. Either go with a full version (Ubuntu, Fedora, whatever) or don't do it at all.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
statuskwo5 9th Mar 2011
@statuskwo5 I do wonder, though, if they will allow webOS to be installed on existing (older) HP computers?
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james.vandamme 16th Mar 2011
@statuskwo5 "Allow"? They "allowed" Ubuntu on my 2 year old, and I'm dual-booting and liking it.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
trentreviso 9th Mar 2011
@statuskwo5

I agree. WebOS on the desktop sounds like yet another "light" OS too sparse to provide a satisfactory user experience. Give us a desktop Linux. Not a phone Linux OS that happens to be running on a desktop computer.
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RE: HP: The Linux Desktop Company
tonymcs@... 9th Mar 2011
@statuskwo5

Esseentially it's a choice between modern software (Win 7), a pig (Linux) or lipstick on the pig's father (OS/X).

I'm all for choice, but you really don't have much option.
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YetAnotherBob 10th Mar 2011
@tonymcs@...

You got the pig and the modern software confused.
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If HP wants webOS to be successful
iPad-awan 9th Mar 2011
it shouldn't have Linux anywhere near its name since Linux is synonymous with cheap junk. Having said that I hope webOS success.
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czorrilla Updated - 9th Mar 2011
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shaunehunter 9th Mar 2011
@czorrilla

Nice one
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