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IBM throws its source code and support behind OpenOffice

By | July 14, 2011, 11:41am PDT

Summary: Don’t write off OpenOffice for LibreOffice quite yet. IBM’s donating all of its IBM Lotus Symphony office suite code to the new Apache OpenOffice.

Of all the companies that support OpenOffice, there were only two that didn’t support the LibreOffice fork: Oracle and IBM. I could understand Oracle. While Larry Ellison, Oracle’s CEO, didn’t really care about OpenOffice–after all Oracle essentially gave OpenOffice away to The Apache Foundation–I also know that Ellison wasn’t going to let The Document Foundation, LibreOffice’s parent organization, dictate terms to him. But, I’ve never quite understood why IBM didn’t help create LibreOffice. Be that as it may, IBM will be announcing tomorrow that it’s donating essentially all its IBM Lotus Symphony source code and resources to Apache’s OpenOffice project.

In an e-mail to the Apache OpenOffice e-mail list, IBM’s Open Document Format (ODF) architect Rob Weir let the cat out of the bag that IBM would be putting its Symphony code and resources behind OpenOffice.

Weir wrote, “IBM Lotus Symphony, our free (as in beer) product which is based on OOo. [OpenOffice.org] … IBM [has] not been exemplary community members when it came to OpenOffice.org. This wasn’t necessarily by design, but for various reasons, that was the effect. Yes, we participated in various community councils, and sponsored conferences and worked together on standards. But when it came down to the code, we maintained Symphony essentially as a fork, and although we occasionally contributed code back, we did not do this well, or often.”

So, with this “fresh start at Apache” IBM is “going to contribute the standalone version of Lotus Symphony to the Apache OpenOffice.org project, under the Apache 2.0 license. We’ll also work with project members to prioritize which pieces make sense to integrate into OpenOffice. For example, we’ve already done a lot of work with replacing GPL/LPGL dependencies. Using the Symphony code could help accelerate that work and get us to an AOOo [Apache OpenOffice.Org) release faster. We've already converted the help files to DITA [Darwin Information Typing Architecture], which could help accelerate that work, if we chose to go in that direction.”

I’m told by sources close to IBM that IBM will be donating more than 3-million lines of Symphony source code to the Apache OpenOffice project. IBM will also be adding developers to work with the OpenOffice community to assess how Symphony should be integrated into OpenOffice. It seems IBM will also continue their own in-house Symphony development because they’re talking about making future changes to Symphony available to OpenOffice.

According to Weir, IBM, “Aside from the work that would help accelerate getting AOOo to our first release, we’ve also added other features that I think we should consider merging in. For example, the IAccessible2 work which helps Symphony work better with assistive technology.”

In addition, “We’ve also added [Visual Basic for Applications] VBA macro support, which is great for MS Office interoperability.” Weir continued, “We’ve done some really good UI [user interface] work. I invite you to download Symphony and take a closer look at this. Yes, it is different from what OOo has today. And a move of that magnitude has an impact on documentation and translations as well. But the feedback we’ve received from customers and reviewers is very positive. Do we integrate parts of the Symphony UI? That is something for the project to discuss and decide on.”

“Finally, we will be proposing a new incubation project at Apache, for the ODF Toolkit. These Java libraries enable new kinds of lightweight document processing applications. We think this would work well as an Apache project, and we look forward to moving that into incubation and developing that complementary project forward.”

This is a lot to work on. I certainly hope IBM is putting people on it, because one of my concerns with Apache taking over a project as massive as OpenOffice was could Apache summon up the resources they’d need to deal with it.

IBM isn’t trying to dictate terms here by the by. As Bob Sutor, IBM’s VP of WebSphere, wrote in his blog, IBM is donating the Symphony code “‘for consideration.’ Members of the OpenOffice ‘podling’ at Apache, including folks who are IBM employees, will get to look at the changes and improvements that IBM made to OpenOffice code when it was incorporated into Symphony. If the podling members decide to use it, great! If they decide to do something else, so be it, that’s the way open source communities work.”

As for LibreOffice? Well, in June, Weir wrote, “LibreOffice supporters see Apache OpenOffice as a mortal threat to their project since its gain comes only at their expense.” He sees this as a fallacy.

Weir went on, “And in the real world, outside of FOSS [free and open-source software] blogs, the world runs predominately Microsoft Office, a proprietary set of applications. The other proprietary applications, like Corel WordPerfect and Google Docs and Apple iWork, combined with MS Office represent well over 90% of the market. Open source, of all varieties, including LibreOffice, is rather small.”

“So rather than fighting over the bottom 5%, I think we should set our sights on a more transformative engagement with the market. This need not be a zero-sum, I-Win/You-Lose situation. OpenOffice and LibreOffice can both win. OpenOffice and LibreOffice and Calligra Suite and AbiWord and Gnumeric can all gain users at the same time. And this can happen at the same time that mixed-source applications based upon OpenOffice, like Lotus Symphony, also grow and gain users.”

Regardless of how you feel about his stance on LibreOffice vs. OpenOffice, we’ll soon see how well Apache and IBM, and OpenOffice and Lotus Symphony, can work together to grow open-source office suites beyond that 5%.

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nemasket.net 14th Jul
Good news. I expect this to be a big positive for the Apache/OOo effort. LibreOffice, which I use and like, needs to wake up to reality. United we stand, divided we fall. The majority is standing with Apache - join the party.
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You know the software will die once IBM is involved.
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and fall it did
kwabinalars 15th Jul
@nemasket.net
I used it for about 3 weeks before uninstalling. When a product can't properly open documents originally created within it's own environment then its value is significantly reduced. In a professional space where others are using MS Office 2010 LibreOffice is basically useless.
@kwabinalars Interesting. We use Open Office to open and fix Microsoft Word documents when Word writes a document it can't read. Now most of the time this leads back to Microsoft Office's equation editor causing Word to fail but it's still Open Office that we have to use to fix the problem.
@sysop-dr
And how old is the version of Word you are complaining about. In 25 years in IT, I've heard rumors of people with the problem, but never actually seen it. Sure you know what you are talking about? Or is it just another phantom problem OO folks love to push?
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Yippee?
Cynical99 14th Jul
All that work and still fighting over the bottom 5% of the market. After all those years of effort, that should say something.

I guess Open Office is a labor of love, even if second rate and the IBM code won't really help much. Still a decade behind the leader, which gives the leader even more momentum or should I say inertia to stay the leader.
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@Cynical99

The split between LibreOffice and OpenOffice, enhanced with IBM's Symphony code donation, is a BIG win for Microsoft. They can put their list of supposed OpenOffice patent violations back on the shelf. I'm sure that some Microsoft folk are quaffing some pints in celebration (along with the recent Mozilla Firefox version support change). Sometimes, I think that the FOSS developers themselves are bigger problems for the movement than the big, bad corporate world.

As far as OpenOffice being second rate, Symphony, with it's IBM enhancements, was good enough for IBM to use internally.
@Rabid A few of us decried Libre (favorite Stallman word) Office, but those for whom software is ideology didn't listen. They need something to hate, and they hate Oracle the way they hate a Microsoft which hasn't existed for 10 years. They simply assumed Oracle was going to do something evil and forked the software for no reason, killing OpenOffice. The folks behind LibreOffice will never unite behind OpenOffice because "software must be free!" and OpenOffice won't be free enough for them... they follow the pied piper of a literally homeless man (Stallman has no home and apparently lives in an office MIT gives him). The FSF is the Tea Party of open source... valuing ideological purity over reality.

The open source coders are definitely their own worst enemy. I had an online exchange with one prominent fellow who was gave a conference talk encouraging coders to basically do whatever they want without waiting for anyone else. I took him to task, complaining that the mindset in open source is "I don't like the way the menu bar on this word processor works... let me write my own word processor from scratch", so that rather than changing the menu bar we now have severe duplication of effort and open source becomes a car with 50 tires and no engine. He kept telling me "I don't understand open source" and telling me to read "The Cathedral And the Bazaar." He had praised one fellow who created an openSUSE OS with the Meego UI before Meego had a working copy out. I pointed out he didn't understand open source and this coder proved my point: rather than start from scratch, he combined the openSUSE Linux kernel and key components with the Meego UI. I'd been arguing that open source needs to stop working on multiple office suites, desktop environments, etc., take the best of each and give the world one really good version of each. There's no reason for KDE to include their own browser with their desktop, for instance, because we all know it has minimal functionality and will never catch up to the major browsers. If the only good part of the KOffice suite is the paint program and the database, take those, roll them into OpenOffice and stop wasting time on the rest, etc. That's what you do when you have a goal other than "freedom"; especially if the goal is producing something that works and focusing your efforts.
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@jgm@... yeah it's not like Webkit came out of a useless browser any way... Oh wait... it did!
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@jgm@... wrote
"They simply assumed Oracle was going to do something evil and forked the software for no reason, killing OpenOffice.

This is what I believe happened to the OpenSolaris project as well. Sad, as it was also a good open-source project. Am still running one instance of OpenSolaris as a PostgreSQL/PostGIS server.
OpenOffice.org is already a world wide recognized brand. LibreOffice has no chance to become the open source office leader just because it's way too new and it will take way too many years to get as known as openoffice. Wake up guys!
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@d.marcu
Well, maybe in a very small portion of the world. Ask the average user about Open Office and you'll get a universal, "huh?" as an answer.

Ask about MS Office and 99% of the people know about it, ask about Open Office and they'll ask, "Did you mean MS Office?"

very few people know about Open Office, after all, it's only got something in the bottom 5% of market share and it's free. People would rather pay for better quality and features.
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@Cynical99 wrote
"People would rather pay for better quality and features.

Actually, Microsoft's OEMs and retailers would rather have their customers pay for better quality and features, because it adds to their bottom-line. You're partly right, though. Many people, for various good reasons, would rather have Microsoft Office. However, most users don't even come close to using all of the features included in Microsoft Office. It's overkill for their use cases.

The fact of the matter is that most consumers aren't even aware of proprietary free and FOSS software alternatives. When they buy a PC from one of Microsoft's OEMs or retailers they get McAfee or Norton internet security software installed by default. They'd be just as well off using the built-in Windows firewall and downloading/installing Microsoft Security Essentials. But the OEMs and retailers make money when they install McAfee or Norton. Most consumers simply don't know what their options are.
@Cynical99 WOW! Wish I had someone like you to keep from being deluded so many years. I thought Open Office worked pretty well and had good features. I used it and didn't have any problems and didn't spend a dime on it. Just goes to show how ignorant someone can be when they know nothing about what they're saying, like you. Try using it then you have grounds for making a statement about Open Office. Obviously you have not. Until you use it you should really keep your yap shut.
craiglarry
I have used Open Office extensively. Never lives up to the hype and always end up hassling with format issues. By the way, did they ever add the grammar checker that MS added 10 years ago? No? Well just one of a thousand examples of second rate code.
@Cynical99
> People would rather pay for better quality
> and features.

Since when did "quality" ever have anything to do with MSOffice?
@Cynical99

I agree AND disagree with you: MS Office is absolutely the standard. OO and LO (and NeoOffice on the Mac) are minor, niche apps that only IT folks like us tend to know about.

I use all four -- MSO, OO, LO and NO -- on different systems, and even sometimes on the same system, for different reasons. And I've deployed some of them to users and friends that I think can handle the file format issues or aren't likely to be hampered by them. Anyone who's the least bit tech challenged or needs some of the more complex MSO capabilities or needs to swap files all the time with MSO users is, frankly, often better off with MSO.

But for folks who understand the quite reasonable limitations of OO/LO/NO, they work absolutely fine ... and they're free. That last part makes up for a lot of their shortcomings.
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Accelerated improvement ...
IndianArt 14th Jul
Wow, clash of the titans, which will see the little guy (users) benefit.

Google with LibreOffice (LO) & GoogleDocs v. Microsoft v. IBM (OpenOffice (OOo)/Smyphony)

May the best player win!

By the way, here is a great extention for LO/OOo:
http://code.google.com/p/ooo2gd/downloads/detail?name=ooo2gd_3.0.0.oxt&can=2&q=
that let you quickly & easily upload to Google Docs
@IndianArt : Google wants their own version of everything out there. Symphony was a waste of money and resources. If I didn't have MS Office I would be using OpenOffice.
@Gis Bun

Symphony is just a tweeked Open Office. I haven't used it, but...
@IndianArt

The day Google implicates themselves into LibreOffice is the day I have nothing further to do with it. Google is not a supporter of Open Source. They are a user and abuser of it. They take what they want to make money and modify what they want, but contribute little back.

Google remains the world's biggest producer of spyware.
@jorjitop Google doesn't spy on anyone and you know it. Google also does lots of things for open source... or are you conveniently forgetting Google Summer Of Code? The Linux distro I'm using right now has 3 or 4 GSoC projects going on right now that are going to both improve the distro and enable one of its main features to become distro-agnostic. Thanks, Google!
You can use both. I admit to using Office more for obvious reasons,but I tend to fire up OO when I need something quick and exported to PDF.
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itpro_z 14th Jul
@dhmccoy, MS Office also exports to PDF. That feature was added with Office 07.
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first Java and now OO at the expense of true open source.
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@Linux Geek

What's true open-source? The Apache Foundation manages many open-source projects and uses the Apache license (rather than GPL). Perhaps, because IBM integrates Symphony with it's own proprietary software and the Apache license allows them to keep the interfaces hidden. Or, maybe, there are some value-added features that IBM has added to Symphony that they want to reserve for their paying customers.

As for Java, remember that IBM is a corporation that uses Java heavily in their business. Oracle likely gave IBM something they wanted (e.g., more say in Java's governance) in exchange for their support in Oracle's dealings with Apache over the Harmony project.
@Linux Geek

Open source is simply that - the source is open.

It must really hurt to realise that the most open source software in the world by a huge factor is code written and deivered on Windows. Just the VB open source alone dwarfs all of FOSS.

Aaah but you probably thought open source meant the stuff cloned from decade old proprietary software written for that 1990s OS - nope wink
@tonymcs@...

And you are smoking what?

Sorry, just fed this M$ troll...
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RE: IBM throws it source code and support behind OpenOffice
the.nameless.drifter Updated - 18th Jul
@Linux Geek

They built a load of stuff on Open Office before the fork and continued developing on it afterwards, now they are gifting the source to Apache.

With regards Java remember they got a greater say in Javas future, IBM has its own compliant JVM that it codes internally
LBeige, I agree. Whenever IBM buys a software company or is involved in software, it goes down into the craper. Lotus had a good product until IBM stepped in.
Why not OOo and LibreOffice go to Google and propose for collaboration. Since MS has online and offline doc mgmt. Google has also a plug-in for MS Office for offline..and offline doc support is comming. However, it will be nice if Google Docs will have a native stable offline client support.
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Cynical99 14th Jul
@vincesanchez@... Too many ego's in the Open Source arena. Any schmuck can recompile and add one minor change and call it their own distro. Google would never hassle with the two bit clowns at OO and LO. Google has a timeline and product to get out. These clowns take years to create their releases that are buggy as all.

Why cooperate when you have the resources to make it happen without clowns getting in the way?
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RE: IBM throws it source code and support behind OpenOffice
Rabid Howler Monkey Updated - 15th Jul
@Cynical99 Why not? Google seems to have plenty of their own clowns. You know, the ones that have failed to vet the apps in the Android Market. And the ones that have allowed their OHA partners to modify Android to the point where they cannot get firmware upgrades out to customers in a reasonable time frame. The Android Dalvik fiasco allegedly involving Java patents/copyrights and Oracle breathing down their necks ...

You even said it yourself, Google is the new Microsoft. Hmmm ... I guess that means that Microsoft has some clowns too. Clowns are everywhere. What a circus!
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Behind the 8 ball
fwarren 15th Jul
Time will tell but I believe that for all practical purposes this project will be dead.

1. All of this code does not mean a thing without developers. In the past Oracle would not allow developers in, and IBM did it all in house. Anyone who wants to work on a project like this, is over at Libre Office. Do you really think there are enough developers out there (now that Oracle and IBM are not paying their own to work on it), to clean up and maintain this code base, let alone improve it.

2. Java needs to be excised from this mess. It was a mistake to mix bits o' java in with StarOffice to create OpenOffice. This project will not remove it.

3. LibreOffice is a healthy project with a good head start. By the time they have incubated, checked in code and even decide to start coding. LibreOffice 4 will be out and have a whole new set of java-free features that OpenOffice will be playing catch up on...if anyone is actually developing
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RE: IBM throws it source code and support behind OpenOffice
Rabid Howler Monkey Updated - 15th Jul
@fwarren Assuming that Java is excised from LibreOffice, does this mean that Base will simply vanish as an alternative to Microsoft Access? Or will the HSQLDB underpinnings of Base be replaced with something like Sqlite and one of its front-ends? This would take care of the personal database management system side of Base. However, what about a front-end to enterprise databases? JDBC is pretty much the standard for Linux and is probably the best bet from a multi-platform perspective.

Other than Base, the impact of excising Java from LibreOffice should be minimal.
@fwarren

Well, in the end that is precisely the question, isn't it -- whether transferring OpenOffice.org over to the Apache Foundation (a well-recognized, genuine Open Source organization) will, at this late date, actually be enough to attract enough developers to rescue the project from its death-spiral.

That Oracle and IBM both handed the whole works to Apache was perhaps the only move that leaves any credible chance that OOo might continue, as a viable alternative to LibreOffice.

It might even work. Or it might not.
I use OOo and LO. Can't afford M$ and hate the ribbon.

The free offerings are very good, but many things are unfinished (captions, some functions of the excellent graphics (charts), a replacement for VBA that's user friendly (NB VBA is horrible for end users)...).

Charities have known for a long time that everybody is better off if their services cost a little bit (for example 2 euros for a basket of food worth 30). Perhaps the free office developers could get the resources they obviously need by adding a bit of insistent but not show-stopping nagware that asks for 10 or 20 euros from users whose IP indicates that they might be able to pay.
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I've always been a great fan of MS Office and I have used happily MS Office at work since it was first published - until 2008. The new version was such a mess that even as an advanced user I had trouble printing a page! And I could not customize the huge toolbar, which was a real nuisance, because there were functions I used all the time, buried in menus, while others which I never used, were sitting there all the time on the toolbar. MS Office has become a monster, eating up computer resources and slowing down everything. I dabbled with Open Office and it was fine, lacking many of the features of MS Office, but you don't need all of them, all of the time. At the moment I am using Mac Pages - it's great, light on resources and fast (and cheap). And Keynote may not have all the features of Powerpoint, but it produces presentations with a different look, which is a considerable advantage. When I see a Powerpoint presentation fired up, I have trouble stifling a yawn - and I can see people around me starting to fidget. Keynote gives you a chance to try some different layouts and effects to keep your audience awake.
@mainvision

It's a sign of the times: Software is becoming a commodity. Free/Open Source or Proprietary makes no difference. Windows or Linux makes no difference. Developers are too busy being "innovative" to deliver what is actually suitable.

Thus new versions of established software are increasingly characterized by "improvements" and "re-design" that not only does nobody want, but actually actively interferes with the users getting the job done.
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Bravo, IBM!
jscott69 15th Jul
Thank you, IBM!

I, for one, am deeply appreciative of IBM's charitable activities such as this. IBM -- like many other companies -- has demonstrated time and again that supporting open source activities can be good business ... and good for the community.
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64 bit AOO???
IT Eagle 15th Jul
Does this mean we may get a 64 bit version of Open Office in the future?
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No. NO!
If LibreOffice starts to look ANYTHING like that dreaded Lotus Notes, well.... I'm outa here!
The ONLY people who ever liked Lotus and IBM Notes were the pointy-haired bosses, who, with their close relationship with the IBM corporate salesmen, foisted that horrible product upon us Dilberts of the world.
Of course these pointy-haired bosses couldn't much manage anything technical themselves, they needed us to help them log in, etc...
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OO and LO have their devotees
ArtInvent 15th Jul
This is an article about OpenOffice/LibreOffice. Why so much attention and hatred from the MS Office crowd? The open source alternatives are just that, an alternative for the millions of people who find that it works perfectly well, has no licensing costs or hassles, and meets their needs. Not everyone needs a gigantic expensive office suite. And the people who use it could hardly care less that it's used by only X% of the world's office software users.

We've used OO and now LO in our offices for about 8 years, and find that it opens everything we need to open, saves open and proprietary formats and PDF's just fine, has more features than we need, and has in general been a no-hassle blessing. Oh yeah, and it works on Linux which we also use extensively, for the same reasons. We have some Windows machines as well and LO on those as well. And we use Google Docs a bit as well. And LO seems to open those fine, it's a decent combination for us.

As far as the split between OO and LO goes, we're using LO because it comes with Ubuntu. Probably it would be better if the projects merged again, as many hands make lighter the work. But who knows. Good on IBM for opening up this code. Don't see how it could be a bad thing.
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ebhb2004@... 16th Jul
If Apache is involved it will mean endless security patches for problems. I'll stay with Libre Office
Lotus what? I thought that trash got dumped in a landfill in the 80's I cannot believe anyone actually is spending money on maintaining that crappy product. It's worse than word perfect! (Another product I thought died more than 10 years ago). Never liked open office much either, it looks like a 4 year old designed the GUI, although I use libreoffice as my primary office suite now, it's still like trying to run a business using a plain text editor when compared to what MS Office has to offer. If I need to type something I use libre office writer, if I need to do anything more than that I have to find a windows machine (or VM) so I can use office. Even Google Docs spreadsheets are really too basic to even think about competing with the full MS Office and it's interwoven cohesion between products. Pretty sad considering how long these other companies have been at it.

I support Libre Office, but find it to be like driving an old Gremlin vs. 2011 Maserati, they just aren't even in the same class.
I am a zealot for Free & Open Source Software (FOSS) yet I cannot deny that OOo, and by inheritance, LibreOffice, is faaaar behind MS Office in terms of user-friendliness, features and plain "being able to get the job done". So, I hope that this current debacle between OOo, Symphony & LibreOffice will lead to a better Open Source Office soon - before Google Office (Docs) render the idea obsolete!
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