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Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?

By | May 4, 2011, 2:18pm PDT

Summary: Attachmate has fired at least some of Novell’s Mono, the open-source implementation of Windows’ .NET, team. It appears at least 800 employees have been let go in total. Is this the end of Mono? Of Novell?

Well, that didn’t take long. I had thought that after Attachmate bought Novell it would be keeping its open-source teams working. Indeed, Attachmate CEO Jeff Hawn had told me that, “Business will operate as usual.” While Attachmate will be keeping SUSE Linux as a spin-off company, Mono, the open-source implementation of Windows’ .NET, is being shut down and there have been hundreds of additional Novell layoffs. So much for business as usual.

In a statement, Hawn told me, “We have re-established Nuremburg [Germany] as the headquarters of our SUSE business unit and the prioritization and resourcing of certain development efforts–including Mono–will now be determined by the business unit leaders there. This change led to the release of some US based employees today. As previously stated, all technology road-maps remain intact with resources being added to those in a manner commensurate with customer demand.”

At this time, I do not know what other development efforts are being put on the back-burner. Nor, do I know if Miguel de Icaza, the founder and driving engine of Mono, has been let go. I’ve send several requests for comments to him, but I haven’t received a reply. De Icaza, who is usually very outspoken, has also not tweeted nor written on his blogs about the fate of Mono and his own future with Novell. My understanding is that all of the Mono team, approximately 30-individuals, have been let go.

The Salt Lake City KSL television station reports that, “Novell Inc. laid off hundreds of employees Monday from its Provo office, just days after the company was sold, according to employees.” Under Attachmate’s rule, Provo was to be Novell’s headquarters.

The KSL Novell source said, “800 people lost their jobs company-wide, with most of those in Provo.” The sales force, human resources, corporate operations and the legal department were particularly hard hit. Even before this, Novell’s top brass had been shown the door. If the 800 number is correct, that would be about 25% of the company’s worldwide workforce or 50% of its U.S. workers.

These firings at a lower-level though came as a shock to the Novell staff. The source continued that in the aftermath of the Novell sale, “We all expected something. Nobody expected what we got.” He concluded that Attachmate/Novell plans to drop all but four of its product lines.

Mono, since its implementation of a proprietary Microsoft software stack and C# language, has always had its enemies in open-source circles. Frankly, I didn’t like some of .NET’s licensing ; I wasn’t comfortable with how close it brought open-source programming to Microsoft; and, having nothing to with software development politics or licensing, I didn’t like that Mono would forever be trying to catch up with its proprietary big-brother .NET.

On the other hand, there have been several great programs written in Mono. As far as I’m concerned, Banshee is the best open-source media player out there. I’m not the only one to think that since Canonical decided to make Banshee its new default media player in Ubuntu 11.04.

But, without its corporate backer, what happens now to Mono? I really hadn’t expected this. Microsoft sponsored Attachmate’s purchase of Novell. I had presumed they’d be happy to see Mono keep going. I was wrong.

While some people are happy about Mono’s demise and the stormy weather ahead for Novell, other open-source figures aren’t so sure that the end of Mono is really a good thing. Bradley M. Kuhn, Executive Directory and President of the Software Freedom Conservancy, wrote, that while “I have been critical of Mono … Mono should exist, for at least one important reason: some developers write lots and lots of new code on Microsoft systems in C#. If those developers decide they want to abandon Microsoft platforms tomorrow and switch to GNU/Linux, we don’t want them to change their minds and decide to stay with Microsoft merely because GNU/Linux lacks a C# implementation.”

But will Mono continue? I’m sure it will in one form or another. Open-source software, no matter how encumbered it may be with possible copyright or patent problems, is hard to kill.

Will it continue to be an important software development environment is another question entirely. I fear the answer is no. While some programs, such as Banshee and the F-Spot photo manager, will continue on, it’s hard for me to see developers choosing to start significant new projects in Mono.

As for Novell? Well, I’m just glad its founder, the brilliant and cantankerous Ray Noorda is no longer to see the end of his company. It would have broken his heart.

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jhonihenry0 5 days ago
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I ever only wrote C# Apps for Linux...
Drakkhen Updated - 4th May 2011
That is a very bad news. Maybe the Mono chaps will be hired or will create their own company. Mono makes developing under Linux a pleasure rather than a pain... C++ is great... But it just takes 20 times as much effort to write even the simplest things.
As you say, developers are sticking with Microsoft Windows because of Visual Stucio, because of C#, because of the .Net Framework, because of ASP.Net, because of SQL Server, etc.
Otherwise we would have fled a long time ago. In this sense Mono is really an important project especially for the zillions of small dev companies.
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RE: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?
statuskwo5 4th May 2011
@Drakkhen I would imagine small dev companies use .NET not Mono for their product(s) implementations. That would explain general lack of Mono applications in Linux.
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RE: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?
Rama.NET 4th May 2011
@statuskwo5
MonoTouch and MonoDroid are really good for total Microsoft shops with a lot of .NET libraries and inventory and want to have mobile presence with Native Apps for iOS and Android quickly. Miguel de Icaza can quickly float a company again and start his Mono business.
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RE: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?
Drakkhen 4th May 2011
@statuskwo5 The thing is that if Mono is not there then C# dev will simply never write any app for Linux... Every time I had to write an internal app for Linux I just used Mono... It is a no brainer when cost/time is considered vs C++. So if you stop Mono you close the doors to 1000's of dev who will simply never switch. Those dev just keep developing for the windows platform and that is the point of the article and I agree is a real concern.
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RE: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?
jeremychappell 4th May 2011
@statuskwo5 Err, there are plenty of Mono apps running on Linux systems. Tomboy, Growl and Beagle are all examples.
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Yep, they are dying
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RE: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?
alasiri6 Updated - 28th Jun
@statuskwo5 The two links are about the future of technology and have nothing to do with people or people's jobs. Talen ted people will find new jobs, either laid off Nokia employees or laid off Mono employees.
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RE: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?
alasiri6 Updated - 28th Jun
@statuskwo5 Cold co m fort when you've just been "simplified" right out of a job. Now it appears that the shoe is on the o ther foot, and heaven forbid de Icaza or his acolytes should face a sneer or two on the way out the door.
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gabwilliams 25th Oct
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@Drakkhen
developers are sticking with Microsoft Windows because of Visual Stucio, because of C#, because of the .Net Framework, because of ASP.Net, because of SQL Server, etc.
Otherwise we would have fled a long time ago


Why would people flee from good products doing good things?

Many will not, as there is no need.
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RE: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?
itguy08 4th May 2011
@Mister Spock

Cost, complexity, and reliability. Microsoft tools have the highest cost, highest complexity and lowest reliability.....
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RE: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?
bitcrazed 6th May 2011
@ itguy08 - evidently, your ignorance is manifest.

Visual Studio is, hands down, the most powerful development environment available today. Period.

While Mono, Eclipse, NetBeans, XCode etc. all have their strengths, they don't offer anything like the power, flexibility, extensibility and productivity that Visual Studio offers.
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Richard Flude 4th May 2011
From mono's announcement it was always going to be a non-goer on Linux as it would never be feature complete with the windows version (controlled exclusively by MS).

Novell needs something to different themselves (and they had a cross license with MS), but picked a dud.

The choice for managed code was Java for the *nixes. When it was open sourced the choice became obvious. Sorry you've wasted your time.
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HarryO2011 Updated - 3rd Jul
@Richard Flude

EXACTLY!!!! All those people who went to Mono were FOOLISH and now they're paying for it. Java was there all along.

Java is still open, and is still the benchmark for managed code while .NET is being shunted aside by Microsoft even, and now Mono is pretty much dead.
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@Drakkhen : I suggest checking out Vala, if you're concerned about this. Largely the syntax and "ease of development" and none of the .Net patent concerns.
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EXACTLY!!!! All those people who went to Mono were FOOLISH and now they're paying for it. Java was there all along.

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Rama.NET 4th May 2011
>>While Attachmate will be keeping SUSE Linux as a spin-off company, Mono, the open-source implementation of Windows? .NET, is being shut down and there have been hundreds of additional Novell layoffs. So much for business as usual.

It is not Windows' .NET, it is Microsoft .NET. This proves that you are unfit for balanced technological views. Please correct yourself before continuing with your blah blah blah. I now know why total ZDNET management gets bashed.
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gtdavies33@... 4th May 2011
Holly nitpick Batman and on such a fundamental matter - you must be fun at parties. When writing an article about a Linux .NET and a Mac OS X .NET implementation, calling the Microsoft version a Windows .NET implementation doesn't seem like such a faux pas that you're trying to make it out to be.
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Rama.NET Updated - 4th May 2011
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My my my, did it hurt your inner feelings? There is a lot of difference between calling a company with its one of the products. Would you be happy if I call you by the products that you produce? I guess so.
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RE: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?
Patrick Aupperle 6th May 2011
@Rama.NET (his post has no reply button)

The point is not that Microsoft is being referred to as Windows. He was stating that it was a Windows implementation of .Net. This is a true statement. So, calling it a windows .net makes perfect sense. If I write a OS, then write a program on top of it, I really wouldn't mind you calling it: (My OS name) (My Product).
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0xBADF00D 5th May 2011
@Rama.NET

Speaking of glass houses, I'ts not Rama.NET, it's Microsoft.NET.

I'm sure that Microsoft doesn't appreciate you bastardizing their valuable trademarks.
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RE: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?
YetAnotherBob Updated - 5th May 2011
@Rama.NET

.Net is a Microsoft product that runs in Windows. Calling it Windows.Net is acceptable, just as GNU/Linux is often called Linux. Linux is really just the kernal.

I am sure that the readers here understood what SJVN meant, and do not think that anyone believes that Windows and Microsoft are competitors. This is not a problem.
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RE: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?
hayneiii@... 5th May 2011
@YetAnotherBob It is Microsoft.net. Anything else is in error.
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@YetAnotherBob
Only in Stallman's dreams. That statement from Stallman was simply Stallman trying to rob thunder from Linus because Hurd is still born.
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I'm shocked he isn't happy about this
Michael Alan Goff 4th May 2011
A lot of bizarre, and rather horrible, people seem to be clapping at the prospect of Mono dying (even though people are losing jobs, which they don't care about).
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OffsideInVancouver 4th May 2011
@goff256

To Linux fundamentalists, the developers and users of Mono are apostates. It's a very black / white thing.
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Michael Alan Goff 4th May 2011
Even if you hate Mono, you should feel bad for people losing their jobs.
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balsover 5th May 2011
@OffsideInVancouver

No, only to Stallman fundamentalists.
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RE: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying?
HooptieMcDaniels 4th May 2011
@goff256
You mean like Miguel de Icaza himself was "psyched" when it was announced Nokia was abandoning MeeGo, which led to 6-7000 layoffs? (http://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza/status/36030337926696960)

Any fool could see that Nokia's marriage to Microsoft would lead to laying off Nokia employees - but de Icaza couldn't stop gloating about how good things were for C# developers and how wonderful it was that Nokia was "simplifying" the mobile landscape. (http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/Feb-14.html)

Cold comfort when you've just been "simplified" right out of a job. Now it appears that the shoe is on the other foot, and heaven forbid de Icaza or his acolytes should face a sneer or two on the way out the door.

The hypocrisy of Mono/Novell supporters truly knows no bounds - especially since I don't see anyone actually "clapping" at the actual job loss, just the prospect that Mono's future is ever more questionable.
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foobarista 5th May 2011
@HooptieMcDaniels Your paragraph is a perfect example of a straw man argument, you should add your text to the Wikipedia page on the subject, I think it clearly illustrates the point.

The two links are about the future of technology and have nothing to do with people or people's jobs. Talented people will find new jobs, either laid off Nokia employees or laid off Mono employees.

Mono is an open source project, that will live on, just like every other open source project.
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