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LibreOffice: Ready for Liftoff

By | January 5, 2011, 2:06pm PST

Summary: LibreOffice may, or may not, be in the next version of Ubuntu Linux, but it will be released soon.

LibreOffice, the Oracle-free fork of the OpenOffice office suite, may, or may not, end up being the default office suite in Ubuntu, but its first release is almost here.

Before getting into that though, there have been rumors running around that Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, had already committed to using LibreOffice in its next release, Ubuntu 11.04. True, Ubuntu has always been interested in replacing OpenOffice with LibreOffice Indeed, Mark Shuttleworth told me back when LibreOffice was starting to break away from OpenOffice that, “The Ubuntu Project will be pleased to ship LibreOffice from The Document Foundation in future releases of Ubuntu. That’s not the same thing though as saying it’s going to ship in Ubuntu 11.04.

Earlier today, Rick Spencer, Ubuntu’s Engineering Director, told me that “The Ubuntu desktop team and the community are making a final call on whether to go with Libre or OO.org at the Ubuntu/Linaro Rally scheduled for Dallas next week and assuming a decision is reached there we will confirm it at that point. The informal mail post sent by Matthias, one of our developers was simply pointing out the options available, not confirming a decision.”

No matter what Ubuntu may, or may not, do though LibreOffice is on its way to its first release. Charles-H. Schulz, an executive board member of The Document Foundation, the organization behind LibreOffice, to me that while there’s “No hard date yet, but it’s one week or so away.”

So, you can expect to be able to download the first release of LibreOffice on the week of January 10th. You can, of course, already download the English-language LibreOffice release candidate for Linux, Windows and Mac OS X.

The full list of what’s changed in LibreOffice since its fork from OpenOffice 3.2 can be found in LibreOffice 3.3’s release notes. I’ve been using it myself on Windows XP, Windows 7, and Mint 10 Linux and I can say that even the release candidate works pretty well.

The most significant change from OpenOffice is that LibreOffice supports Microsoft’s OpenXML, aka OOXML, format. Not everyone in the open-source world is happy about this.

In a blog posting Schultz explained, “LibreOffice, just like OpenOffice.org offers the ability to handle documents in the format of Microsoft Office 2007 and 2010. As we know, these are called OOXML but are different from the ISO standard (ISO 29500) known as OOXML. Microsoft is trying hard, as far as I know, to work out something that might be implemented by MS Office 2010 and is known as OOXML Transitional, which is the polite label to call a proprietary format that still comes with a lot of undocumented areas. OpenOffice.org has offered such a feature ever since 2008, not by reading whatever specification was sent to the ISO, but in analyzing the format used in the real world and called OOXML . (yes it’s confusing) If OOo had tried to implement OOXML by reading the standard it would have ended in a dead corner, because as we know, the OOXML ISO standard is broken, and the ISO itself with it.”

Schultz went on, “LibreOffice is no different than that. But there is one addition compared to OpenOffice.org: where OpenOffice.org allowed the reading of MS Office 2007 and 2010 documents only, we allow their editing and saving under the same format. It does not imply any dramatic extension of features: the same capability is in OpenOffice.org, but it’s been intentionally crippled around 2007 or 2008 for obvious strategic reasons (OOXML hadn’t become a standard yet and MS Office 2007 new formats hadn’t been widely distributed). I would not be surprised if Oracle were to enable such a feature in the coming months.”

In short, while The Document Foundation would prefer that you use its native and open format, Open Document Format (ODF), LibreOffice will also support creating, editing, and reading OOXML documents.

LibreOffice works fairly well at this. I’ve used it to create and transfer documents from LibreOffice to Microsoft Office 2007 and 2010 without losing data or formatting. Now, I wasn’t trying anything complicated, but I can say that with LibreOffice you will be to move ordinary business documents and spreadsheets between LibreOffice and the Microsoft Office suites.

For some offices, that will be reason in and of itself to consider switching from Microsoft Office or OpenOffice to LibreOffice. And, I strongly suspect, for Ubuntu to officially embrace LibreOffice into its next Linux release in April.

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RE: LibreOffice: Ready for Liftoff
JACOBSONR 14th Oct
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RE: LibreOffice: Ready for Liftoff
Loverock Davidson 5th Jan 2011
Too many political and internal issues for this software to lift off. Once they killed the openoffice name they have effectively killed the software as well. I can't see how this is going to gain any traction considering all the users it has lost recently.
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RE: LibreOffice: Ready for Liftoff
choyongpil 5th Jan 2011
A boy with a delusional mind. Openoffice name was not changed, still the default office on Linux systems.
Once again no evidence to back your claim, you word means nothing.
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Thank-you for your ignorable bait. No comment.
peter_erskine@... 6th Jan 2011
@Loverock Davidson
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Libre, as does Open Office has a long way to go to catch up with industry leaders, (read, MS Office). Way behind, years to catch up.

Yes I can hear the howling now, it?s good enough! Too bad the buying public disagrees with the myopic supporters.
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RE: LibreOffice: Ready for Liftoff
DannyO_0x98 5th Jan 2011
@Cynical99
No howls here. At near zero cost, it represents a heck of a value, even if it were lesser in all features, and that is not the case.

In fact, I can't see any reason why an Office user couldn't have it also installed and ready for emergencies, the odd .odf that comes his or her way, or because -- as happened this afternoon with me -- ribbon frustration (so I continued with that spreadsheet in calc.)
fits the bill just fine during the transition. I print less and less, and get fewer MS Office attachments all the time.
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@DannyO_0x98

any of the other free office suites take off?
on 8.5x11 paper is on the way out in any case, which, is what 90% of MS Office is about. Actually, every year, the baroque features of MS Office look more and more ridiculous.
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@DonnieBoy

Today I managed a project using Excel and OneNote, made technical drawings of our network using Visio and made an executive summary report using PowerPoint...and none of it was printed, nor do I expect the recipients to print them.

That said, for home use I see Google Docs beating them all. For heavy office needs, people will stick to MS Office.
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Hahahahahahahahaha
Cylon Centurion 5th Jan 2011
@DonnieBoy

Thanks for the laugh. I'll be sure to tell my term paper that, citations and all.
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I don't see 8.5x11 going out anytime soon
Michael Alan Goff 5th Jan 2011
There will be a need for people to be able to hold a physical copy of things. That will not stop for a long time, especially not with the fact that people don't want to trust their computers (or the cloud) for -everything-.

What else is there?

Am I missing some solution that is actually being accepted by a large number of people? What features look ridiculous?
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You're right
crazydanr@... Updated - 6th Jan 2011
@DonnieBoy
I find that I only print A11 and envelopes these days.
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@Cynical99
Quite easy to come with something better.
My only grief with OpenOffice is that it mimic too close MSoffice. But at least it work always the same, not the case with MSoffice, with all kind of hidden annoyances, makes any work a pain in the rear
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Ok, SJVN I owe you an apology
otaddy 5th Jan 2011
I badgered you about when LibreOffice will be released saying it will be awhile. Well I was proven wrong!

I still dont think LibreOffice will have much of an effect, other than to waste programmer time duplicating efforts, nor do I think it will take any significant customers away from MS.
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@otaddy Hundreds of governments, councils, companies, educational establishments, and in Europe practically entire populations have switched away from MS.
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that may be true but
otaddy 6th Jan 2011
@peter_erskine@...

it hasnt made a dent in Microsoft's profits.

I doubt entire populations have switched away. While in Germany I was surprised by how many people were running windows and office. (also saw some macs too)
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RE: LibreOffice: Ready for Liftoff
msandersen 5th Jan 2011
I was very disheartened to hear of the breakaway; disunity is death, and stability and branding is important, especially for bureaucracy and business. One reason Linux as a Desktop hasn't gone anywhere is fractured development with hundreds of Distros all with a different look and a myriad of window managers, none of them up to Windows-standard let alone OSX. Firefox is a fairly unique Opensource success-story in the consumer space; they met a need at theright time when IE was stagnant, and they coupled it with good branding and grassroots marketing. Still it doesn't have a hold in business, which stick doggedly with IE6 as "standard", tho some are shifting to newer releases. OpenOffice had/has a brand and a solid brandname backer in Sun, now Oracle, even with them pushing StarOffice in the corporate world instead. Their marketing of OOo was surprisingly absent, perhaps because of their corporate Staroffice focus, they could learn a lot from the grassroots Firefox campaign for the consumer mindshare. This is in danger if they don't come to a resolution quick, be it by the Document foundation's urging of Oracle donating the name to them, and presumably the domain name. The alternative are 2 confusingly similar offerings duplicating some effort, tho they benefit still from each others' work. My understanding was that most of the fulltime developers were Sun employees, so I don't see that changing unless they quit or moved on. For brand confusion alone, I am loath to advocate LibreOffice over OpenOffice, as it doesn't engender confidence to hear of discord with different brandings.

Ironically, if they were to charge a token fee for business, more would take them seriously, as it lends an impression of "professionalism". It might also make it more valuable to Oracle with better investment, even if they had to maintain a low price. And it would not restrict copying once bought, it would be more a one-off Download fee for business.Business while seeking to cut costs, find it hard to take Free offerings seriously sometimes, as there is stigma attached to most "Free" offerings.
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Re: "dis-unity"
Rick S._z 6th Jan 2011
@msandersen:

I think that this will be a very successful migration. Your post considers examples (Firefox, Desktop Linux) which are not at all similar to this Fork. A FAR more relevant example, I think, is the fork of XFree86 back in the 2004-2006 time frame.

In both instances, the "need to fork" was created by changes in ownership claims and/or licensing. In this instance, Oracle claims complete ownership of stuff which was (maybe!!!) written entirely by others, under licensing terms which appeared (to some) be "open" and irrevocable. The license terms which Oracle now attempts to apply are offensive to some of those authors, and many users too.

Back in 2003, some Developers of XFree86 were feeling "offended" by the core team's management of the CVS code... similar to the way a lot of Apache Developers, and JCP participants, have been feeling "offended" by management methods of Oracle/Sun. A lot of the XFree86 contributors walked away, and the "old team" eventually voted to disband itself.

The final "straw which broke the camel's back" with XFree86 was the 4.4 license change, requiring new and extensive "credit clauses". Many previous contributors were further infuriated by the heavy-handed way in which this one done: Basically, one person decided to go ahead and do it. All the major distros (Red Hat, SuSe, Mandriva/Mandrake, Debian and etc.) switched to the fork (X.org's (X11R6.7) as soon as it was released.

XFree86 still exists as a project, but it's more or less inactive. (If you click the "news" link on their webpage, there isn't any.) It died by abusing contributors, operating without "openness", and by changing license terms. Similar accusations are widely made against Oracle/Sun, and many Distros are already choosing to make LibreOffice their primary choice.

To me, it seems almost exactly the same. Thus I project a quick win for LibreOffice, leaving OpenOffice.org behind as second-tier (or maybe even 3rd-tier) player in the Office-Document project space.
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RE: LibreOffice: Ready for Liftoff
discoverlinux 6th Jan 2011
@Rick S._z

Rick, spot on, unfortunately the M$ faithful will continue to think Linux/open source isn't going anywhere, failing to see the huge growth (Android, +90% top 500 super computers run Linux, Apache web sites, Solaris to Linux migrations, NAS devices etc). Hopefully Libreoffice migration will be as smooth as the Xorg project and really get the development it deserves. The global recession is already seeing IT depts question the cost of their M$ habit and are looking at alternatives.
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Linux is going places
Michael Alan Goff 6th Jan 2011
Of course, those places don't involve the groups that people actually care about. Will LibreOffice be any good? Who knows? Will LibreOffice take off in huge numbers? I doubt it. Why? I don't see commercial Linux getting a larger marketshare than 5% at most.

That being said, Shuttleworth is really one of the best shots for Linux to go anywhere in the consumer market. He has a vision.
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Nothing to worry about.
peter_erskine@... 6th Jan 2011
@msandersen The community will go with LibreOffice, while Oracle (a vastly rich company) will be happy to employ its own people for their version. Unless a lot of customers purchase support for it, the Oracle one will fade away eventually because Oracle are only interested in PROFIT.
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RE: LibreOffice: Ready for Liftoff
james347 5th Jan 2011
Yes!
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RE: LibreOffice: Ready for Liftoff
KimTjik 6th Jan 2011
LibreOffice is a good example of how open-source provides developers and users with a choice if a piece of software goes in the wrong direction, or its management proves to be a risk. You don't have to start from scratch, and it might even be you win the best brains over, and hence not even loosing pace. At this moment it looks like LibreOffice has got those pieces in place. I think this is a good example of pragmatism.

Someone raised concerns about "disunity is death", but in this case I would say indifference would have meant death, and that disunity in this case can save the OpenOffice project. Furthermore there's some kind of inbuilt mechanism of a healthy dose of disunity and rivalry in open-source; there's constant competition and you have not explicit rights to be the only provider of a solution.

Some have already in this thread talked about MS Office being the industry standard and being on a level above the competition. That's true from some perspectives, but overall it's not pragmatism, but nostalgia, as in "I've seen this piece of software before and I'm afraid of everything else". I really hope the ones here writing about MS Office's supremacy know how to make full use of its features. If not, it's just much ado for nothing. In reality only a fraction of MS Office users have any advantage in using it instead of other office suits.

Sure, it will take some time before LibreOffice is a well established name, if Oracle doesn't give up the OpenOffice name when possibly faced with a faster improving competitor, but it's still one of the best initiatives for years.
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LibreOffice rocks
DoomsdayParanoia 6th Jan 2011
We must support it.
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Editing
halfstop 6th Jan 2011
This is a relatively useful story, but the number of typos creates too many train wrecks while reading it. A bit more proofreading would serve everyone better.
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I just use it
o.prucker 6th Jan 2011
Switched to LibreOffice a few days ago after the ppa was available. Now I just use it and it works fine for me. I also use Office 2007 in some other environment and I don't see much differences except that they are NOT compatible to each other if heavy formatting or strange fonts are used. But I don't care much about that.

Perhaps Libre which is now in the hands of a foundation can to some extent follow up on the FF success story even though this seems more difficult: IE was horror, whereas Office is pretty slick and Google is also in the game. Anyways, I like to see choices. That keeps the companies and developers busy and active and that is good for us.
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RE: LibreOffice: Ready for Liftoff
Docwort 6th Jan 2011
I find in day to day work LibreOffice to be great. I also find that getting any of my clients to use it is a very tough sell. The Avg. office user is so trained that getting them to do anything outside of their comfort zone causes major upset for them. Little things like the print area being under format rather than File drives them over the edge.
Add to that most users don't have a clue that there is even an alternative office out in the world. As long as Open office has been around if you ask the avg none computer nerd what office tools are available they will come back with MS Office and Word Perfect and that is about it. Start selling LebreOffice in Office Depot and those same people will learn about it and buy it. Just because its in front of them.
Free software has a major lack of representation out in the market world. And a certain amount of mistrust because its free.
Any open software is going have problems when fighting against a marketed product. For so many many reasons not just one. Unfortunately just because LibreOffice is great that in itself is not going to be enough to give it a chance to wipe out Ms office. But in time the price may.
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Imperfections
Daddy Tadpole 7th Jan 2011
M$ Office seems designed to drive you mad, but it can be made to work if you can find ways of turning off the automation.

I use OOo whenever possible, but it does seem to have too many little bits broken. For example, the Calc graph/chart function is very advances, but some things either don't work at all or you can't find their controls. I suspect the functions are usally there, but it's the user interface that's buggy.

Perhaps open source developers could consider alternatives to current GUI techniques; for the functions I mentioned, a straightforward editable text script like a .ini file would do the job better.

It's all a lot of work & I think the project will die in the end unless resources become available and can be coordinated. Perhaps they could try & interest the IT education sector (open source projects as coursework?).
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There is a role for office suites
Daddy Tadpole 7th Jan 2011
In reply to correspondents who question the need for bloated office suites, I would reply that, while any given user only uses a small proportion of such a package, the next user will have simimilarly limited but entirely different requirements.

This came to mind when I discovered that it isn't possible to copy/paste a functioning table from Calc into Writer. No great deal for some, but a fatal flaw for others.

Charts and graphs are another illustration: OOo is the only good solution that doesn't cost 500 euros; pity about the small, correctable but fatal flaws.
...docs from work and see how it looks!

I'm excited to check it out, and hope that it has improved over OOo which, lets be honest, is not the best!

As for support from the Community, if Canonical do include LibreOffice in Ubuntu that will show the support it needs!
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RE: LibreOffice: Ready for Liftoff
Aussie_Troll 12th Jan 2011
@Docwort

the average office working does not have to worry about how much the software costs, they do not have to buy it, and they probably do not have to maintain it.

They are interested in just one thing, getting the work they have to do, DONE, quickly, and as easily as possible.

The thing about the GPL is that it is a great tool for low skilled programmers, who cannot get a job.

But for the vast majority of people, The GPL offers NOTHING for them.

If you do not program, and if you are not interested in seeing the code, or being allowed to modify the code.

WHAT THE HECK GOOD is that to an office worker, or someone who wants to actually USE the computer, not program it.

as for OO.o and libre, neither of them will ever gain any traction.
It offers nothing of benefit, for the average users, and most users of MS Office applications, do not have to pay for, or maintain that application.

But the managers of that company knows that Microsoft is a big and very succesful company, and are very capable of supporting its products.

There is little risk of having to move from oo.o type thing to libre, because you dont like some company, and because it upsets your warped view of what 'freedom' is.

And the fact that libreoffice had to be created is a sure sigh of massive problems in the FOSS world, where the rights of a tiny minority of 'programmers', trying to enforce "freedom" is, and has destroyed anything that could of possibly come good from open source, and the 'movement'.

that 'movement' is have moving allright, but it is not moving in the right direction, that would be forward..

Insteadc it is moving backwards.
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@ Aussie_Troll :
nbahn 15th Jan 2011
Methinks that you are, indeed, a troll.

By the way, you rather obviously don't have your spell checker enabled.
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