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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols & Paula Rooney

Microsoft Patent Case in the Supreme Court's Hands

By | April 19, 2011, 1:23pm PDT

Summary: Microsoft tries its final gambit in winning a patent lawsuit with Microsoft as the patent violator.

We often think of Microsoft as being the aggressor in patent lawsuits. Who can forget their efforts to patent smilies or, more recently and seriously, its anti-Android patent lawsuits. But, remember that Microsoft has often been found guilty of violating patents itself in such cases as against Uniloc. Now, Microsoft has made its last moves against i4i in the Supreme Court over its violation of I4I’s XML patents.

This is serious stuff. At one time, a U.S. District Court had ruled that Microsoft couldn’t sell any version of Microsoft Word or Office that could create .XML, .DOCX, or .DOCM files. Had that injunction been enforced immediately, there would have been a time during the fall of 2009 when you couldn’t have bought Office 2007 or 2010. That’s no longer in the cards because Microsoft removed the offending code in December 2009, but besides wanting its $200-million fine back, Microsoft wants, according to Thomas Hungar, of the Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, who represented Microsoft before the Supremes. “Microsoft wants the patent system strengthened, and the patent playing field fair and balanced.”

What Microsoft and friends means by this is that the courts should use a lower burden-of-proof bar for patent violations. As it stands now, if you’ve been accused of violating a patent you must show “clear and convincing evidence” that the patent is invalid. Microsoft wants the burden of proof to be lowered to “a preponderance of the evidence.”

Specifically, Microsoft holds the position that i4i shouldn’t have been granted the patent because the technology had been used in a product before the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) awarded the patent. Microsoft has a lot of friends who think this is a grand idea including Apple, Cisco and Facebook. Together, the chief counsels declared in a joint statement that “Allowing a bad patent to stand simply because it’s propped up by the wrong courtroom standard will in fact undermine the system.” And, “The use of this heightened standard in these circumstances creates courtroom conditions that protect bad patents and, in some cases, make it easy to game the system. Ultimately, the harm extends to our national climate for innovation, and the ability for great inventions to support great businesses.”

Excuse me if I snort in disbelief. I think all software patents are garbage, but Microsoft uses them like a bludgeon when they’re the one holding the attacking side of the club. Just ask Tom-Tom how they felt about being smacked into a patent licensing agreement by Microsoft.

So, what’s going to actually happen here? I asked some my intellectual property law buddies and this is what they told me.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols is a freelance writer. He does not own stocks or other investments in any technology company.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it!

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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So if MSFT can't win by themselves
Cyberjester 26th Apr 2011
Then our only hope is that Steve Jobs will deign to descend from heaven into the courts, and with a winning smile fix the I.P. laws of the USA.

Or maybe Google teams with MSFT seeing as they're both on the losing end of patent battles around now. Less likely to work, but at least they could mount a decent effort. And keep the courts busy for the next few centuries given their bankroll
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Michael Alan Goff Updated - 20th Apr 2011
@goff256
Speaking of this article specifically, all its saying is that Microsoft is being a hypocrite in trying to patent things like smilies on one hand and then arguing far more legitimate patents should be invalid. Let's not forget more than anyone, it's MS and IBM that takes advantage of our broken system to patent anything it can. Considering the US government has also gone on to say MS should lose, this article saying the same could hardly be considered bias.
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914four Updated - 20th Apr 2011
Steven, Great article.

Hooah!
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Microsoft needs to win this or dozens of other companies are going to suffer as well. This isn't about just Microsoft, this is about document formats in general.
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@Loverock Davidson

lawl - By far, you are my favorite troll. Yes... You're right. MS should win this.

2k7 doesn't open 2k3 documents while retaining the format the way it should, but OpenOffice/LibreOffice does? Hmm. Their own format. Yes. I see. So this fight will improve their backwards compatibility, oui?

I would hope so.
@CommonOddity

i dont know about you but i can in office 2010 and office 2k7
i can both save in the .doc format and open them with the same format as for oO and Libre can they open .docx i thought so...
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@CommonOddity
lawl I haven't had any issues with Microsoft Office 2003 to Office 2007. In fact the whole company hasn't either. People still use open/libre office? that's something to lawl about.
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@Loverock Davidson

Hah. You're really blinded by zealotry. I do not say I am without bias myself, but at least I'm not a complete tool and call a spade, a spade. Yes, Libreoffice is not quite as mature as it should be. Yes, opening .docx in it is -usually- a nightmare unless it is pure text. But no, 2k7/2k10 has some proper ****** backwards support brah. You must have either had some super basic document formatting or you're talking out your ass.

I've used MS products for about 16 years. I've seen just about every version of Office. Office usually has good backwards compatibility between versions. 2k7 does not.

Try doing parallel charts with line breaks/page breaks, in 2k3, open that up in 2k7. Yeah...
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@CommonOddity
I'm not your brah, brah. Like I said, no issues with Office 2003 or 2007 here.
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@Loverock
He didn't say he has a problem with Office 2003 or Office 2007, but with backward compatibility. Personally can't verify either ways since I haven't switched between the two for something that needs formatting.
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@Loverock Davidson It would be better if MSFT were to win this--and how often do I say something like that!--but I don't see them as having a shot in this one.

We've got years more of patent misery ahead.

Steven
The transcript I read had questions from Justice Kagan. Which side does Mr Carey think she'll be on?
But, ?In all likelihood, Stevens, Breyer, Ginsberg and Sotomayor will issue an opinion ... The conservative justices ? Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas and Alito...

Stevens? He's been retired for a year and replaced by Kagan. How old is that quote?





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@none none Brand new, but everyone makes mistakes. He meant Kagan. A friend of my wife, then the head of a major Miami law firm, once addressed the Chief Justice in a hearing by the wrong name. Now that, that, was a mistake.

Steven
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All Bad
wizardb@... 19th Apr 2011
Basically the whole idea of software patents is flawed lets follow New Zealand's lead and ban software patents!!
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Software is mathematics
wolf_z 20th Apr 2011
@wizardb@...

And mathematics can't be patented.

Therefore every software patent has been issued in violation of patent office rules.

Eh, go figure...
@wizardb@...

While I believe software developers deserve some method of protecting their IP, I agree that patents on software seem inappropriate and difficult to enforce.

Are copyright laws not sufficient for preventing IP "theft", when it comes to software?

Or what other options are there for developers to protect their methods and innovations?
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Grammer - "This is serious stuff."
ClearCreek 20th Apr 2011
Dear SJVN (if I may be so bold as to be that familiar),

In the subject line you will note that I quote - you. The topic, however, is not patents, but our ability as readers to actually benefit from the articles you write. Here's why: in a quote (above) from Mr. Updegrove we read this: "...But on the other hand, poor i4i, which has already seen its business destroyed and poured millions of dollars into litigation, would have to endure yet more delays and expense even it ultimately still wins under the lower challenge standard.?

What does that sentence mean? Since it appears that a word has been left out (by Mr. Updegrove, or the typist, or the server ate it? ... I can't tell) I have two guesses:
-- It should say ...even if it ultimately still wins , meaning that winning for i4i isn't a given or
-- It should say ...even though it ultimately still wins, meaning that it will win sometime in this century, or MS will settle

Which is it? It's one thing for me as the reader to mentally insert a few words or letters that don't actually change the meaning, but in this case, grammar/typos matter.

Please take this comment to your publisher and say something like, "Get me a spell/grammar checker". Of course, you may already have one (it may be you- sorry) and if so, they need to be relieved of duty. This is happening too often, all over the place (not just here and not just in IT publications). Finally, yes, I'm willing to pay something for a properly grammar checked publication. Don't know how much yet (try me) but this butchery of the way we communicate is getting serious.

You should take this comment as a compliment. We're paying attention to what you write!
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@ClearCreek I am very sorry to say that copy editor is becoming as relevant a job as blacksmith. We don't have any copy-editors currently at ZDNet for blogs, and even print books, magazines, and newspapers have been letting them go for years.

I hate this. My work is always Much better for having been copy-edited, but there's fewer and fewer dollars available in all branches of publishing and copy editing is one of the many places that have been pruned as a result.

Steven
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The hypocrite strikes again
Cynical99 20th Apr 2011
Typical excuse, you claim to be a professional, but as soon as an error is pointed out, you claim it?s not your fault.

Pure hypocrisy. Then again, that?s normal for you. Perhaps you should take responsibility for your column instead of blaming ZD Net for your own problems.
@Cynical99 & ClearCreek
Calm down, he's missing one "if" so I don't get the big deal considering it's a blog. I have seen articles with many more errors than this. I also don't see the hypocrisy. Is too much to ask for a "professional" as you say to have an editor?
@sjvn@...

We don't have any copy-editors currently at ZDNet for blogs...

Let me get this straight. There are people to review and delete talkback posts (6 deleted on this very page - and there was nothing offensive/dangerous in them) but there is no one to edit ZDNet content?
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So if MSFT can't win by themselves
Cyberjester 26th Apr 2011
Then our only hope is that Steve Jobs will deign to descend from heaven into the courts, and with a winning smile fix the I.P. laws of the USA.

Or maybe Google teams with MSFT seeing as they're both on the losing end of patent battles around now. Less likely to work, but at least they could mount a decent effort. And keep the courts busy for the next few centuries given their bankroll

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