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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols & Paula Rooney

No Android forks here

By | September 6, 2011, 9:29am PDT

Summary: Recent headlines might lead you to believe that Google’s mobile, open-source operating system Android is being forked by Amazon and Baidu. It’s not.

Yes, Android has a forking problem. Google forked its mobile, open-source operating system into two versions: Android 2.x for smartphones and Android 3.x for tablets earlier this year. It also doesn’t help Android any that there are so many different supported versions out in the market. But, what Amazon and Baidu are doing with their forthcoming tablets has nothing to do with forking Android.

Let’s take a closer look at these so-called “forks” shall we? From what we know of the forthcoming Android Kindle tablet, it’s going to be running Android. I expect it to be running Android 3.x Honeycomb, but since the initial model will be a 7″ display tablet it could run say Android 2.3.3 or 2.3.4.

Let me underline that, the Amazon Kindle, despite what you may read elsewhere, is going to be running Android. The interface, however, will be different from the ones we currently see on other Android smartphones and tablets. Specifically, it’s going to be designed to work well with Amazon’s Web site and Amazon-branded applications.

That doesn’t make it a fork. Indeed, that’s no more a “fork” of Android than using KDE 4.x, GNOME 3, or Unity as your desktop GUI forks Linux. You’re simply choosing to use a different desktop. Under the surface, it’s still Linux.

Perhaps an even better, and more accurate, comparison of what Amazon will be doing is how Fedora defaults to GNOME 3, openSUSE to KDE 4, and Ubuntu to Unity for their desktops. Yes, they look completely different to a layman, but under the surface, which is where it counts in operating systems, they’re look and act the same.

Look at this way: There’s no question that a Mercedes-Benz E-Class is a great luxury car and, most people would say that a Toyota Corolla is a fine economy car.  Are they the same? No, but they both run on gas, have four-wheels, can you get from home to the office, etc., etc. So, are they both examples of cars? Yes, yes they are. It’s the same with these new Android tablets.

Look at the new Baidu tablet. Its interface won’t look like the Kindle tablet, a Galaxy Tab 10.1, or my Barnes & Nobles Nook Color, but under the fancy paint job and in the hand it’s just another Android tablet.

In the case of Amazon, it’s more than just a look though. Amazon is also going to be directing you to its own app. store instead of Google’s default Android App Market and will include some of its own applications. But, once more there’s nothing new here. My Verizon Droid 2 phone, for example, came with Verizon and Motorola specific applications–most of which I might add I could live without–but simply having customized apps doesn’t turn the Android 2.3.3 it’s running into an Android fork.

So, yes, there are too many versions of Android running around. But, neither Amazon nor Baidu are forking Android. They’re just customizing its front-end and adding some goodies to make it more attractive to their customers. There’s nothing remotely new about that. It’s just business as usual.

That said, if Amazon or Baidu make a really pretty interface with lots of neat toys and-this is the important one would-be tablet billionaires-sell it for an affordable price well below that of the Apple iPad, then they’ll have a best-selling tablet on their hands regardless of operating system details.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it!

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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RE: No Android forks here
robsku 8th Sep
@AtlanTheGreat
Thank god there is an option for us who require more than one UI option, Linux.
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I thought it was a fork
homeblend 6th Sep
I swear it is using a pre-2.2 Android version?
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RE: No Android forks here
Playdrv4me 6th Sep
@homeblend

That is everything I have seen reported as well.
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RE: No Android forks here
SBMobile 8th Sep
@homeblend It is! They just don't want you to know or think about it! Google depends on confused & non-thinking customers to make bad decisions with their money! That's the only way they can sell their products!
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RE: No Android forks here
CommonOddity 8th Sep
@SBMobile

Cool story bro. Kind of like Win 95 and MS, yeah?
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Better Analogy...
jschisurf 6th Sep
I think a better analogy than the one you presented, is stating that Amazon's interface running on top of Android is no more a fork than HTC's Sense or Motorola's Blur.
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RE: No Android forks here
global.philosopher 6th Sep
@jschisurf
Didn't Google say they would not provide the Honeycomb source to anyone who wouldn't sign up to their non-ragmentaion clauses. In addition this wouldalso include having all the normal Android preconditions such as Market Place access, etc.
If this is the case then I doubt the Amazon tablet will have Honeycomb as this will be a Amazon App Store access only device (ie. no Google stuff).
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RE: No Android forks here
global.philosopher Updated - 6th Sep
@global.philosopher

Same goes with baidu too.
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RE: No Android forks here
SBMobile 8th Sep
@jschisurf If an Android "tablet" is NOT using HoneyComb, then it's NOT an Android tablet, it's something else! HoneyComb is the Android OS for tablets. Froyo 2.2 is for phones. Amazon using it for their own purposes means they customizing it for their own use. 2.2 SUCKS by the way!
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RE: No Android forks here
owlnet 6th Sep
Don't understand the whole point of this article... A car has four wheels and runs on gas???

If its not 'certified' by Google, I think its better to call it Linux, than Android. Android is a legal nightmare, its not wise to think that Amazon will jump into such a thing without sorting the legal issues.
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RE: No Android forks here
CommonOddity 6th Sep
@owlnet

lol How is it a legal nightmare? Many of the argued points in the GPLv2 vs v3 debate are rather moot. Even with many legal eyeballs pouring over their focus on every bulletpoint someone brought to the discussion, there's no clear legal risk.

The handful of concerns that have been mentioned are no better than threats from SCO- FUD, and rather boring. Barbara Hudson's most recent post with regards to this puts it rather nicely (lmgtfy?).
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RE: No Android forks here
Peter Perry 6th Sep
@CommonOddity He is referring to the vendors who have pending litigation but none of these lawsuits beyond the Oracle Java version are actually on Android. Most are Hardware or Skin Related.

As for the GPL, that is why it isn't a success on the desktops as many commercial software vendors do not like the GPL and will not develop for Linux.

Either way, Owlnet is just an Apple Fanboy with Aqua Colored Glasses and a front row view of Jobs / Cooks Arse.
@CommonOddity Peter P is right ... but I think he forgot to mention the licensing agreements that Microsoft is offering to Android developers in lieu of a subpoena over patent infringement.

And then there's Apple and its simmering battle with HTC over patent infringement related to various gestures and capabilities, which is really just a thinly-veiled, indirect attack on Android ... probably as a test to see how the courts decide. If Apple wins (and it appears likely it will, since it does have legal patents on the designs in question) then any manufacturer that uses Android with those offending technologies is likely to find itself in Apple's crosshairs.
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RE: No Android forks here
CommonOddity 7th Sep
@Peter P

1. The lawsuit will be lost by Oracle. No matter how much they throw at Google, their case is not strong enough (I've a friend that specializes in patent law- wish I could steal his voice for 5 minutes happy )
2. GPL != Everything built on top of it has to be GPL. e.g. Games, applications, etc. You're telling me commercial software doesn't exist on Linux? Hell, I've been playing the crap out of HoN for a while now.

3. Aye, a lot of the suits are over petty hw/skin stuff like you mentioned. The most recent stunts with Apple have been supremely amusing. I like how they got caught with some 20-odd counts of tampering with evidence, in a European court. Boned? Completely.

@jscott69

The licensing agreements that MS brings forth are more 'peace signatures'- but cannot hold any clause that would further inflict, in the case of termination, harm as a result of it. Whether they would pursue separate matters (e.g. patent war over the way that you can hold the phone while eating sushi or some stupid thing) is entirely up to MS.

Apple is starting to lose grip, and fast. They are hoping one of the suits they started will pay off, but not likely. HTC is taking the hits, but they're definitely not out of the race.

The issue at hand is one that can be easily fixed. HTC has enough innovation to sidestep the problem, even if they do lose.

You wish to quote interesting developments on the legal battlefield? Google just armed itself with a ton of patents. Fangs sharpened, I'm quite sure they'll definitely be able to bite back should someone start trouble happy

P.s. At the risk of sounding like a fanboi (cuz am prow): Notice how just a short time before Googorolla, they said they would rise up to the defense of their Android kin? I think they're full of ire and piss at this point. Watch the flying rocks.
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RE: No Android forks here
global.philosopher 6th Sep
@owlnet
I agree that the term Android is refers to Linux Mobile + Google Services but really it is the layer that sits on top of Linux Mobile and is why Google do not have to release the software under GPL conditions. Therefor the problem of what Amazon and Baidu is doing is not forking Android or forking Linux Mobile but creating different layers on top of Linux Mobile similar to Red Hat Linux, Suse Linux, Ubuntu Linux, Debian Linux, etc.
When this "forking" begins I would guess that all Android apps will run on Amazon, Baidu and Android (except for the normal fragmentation issues) but as time goes by and as Amazon and Baidu create new API's and other middle layer replacements this may change and the issue of fragmentation will escalate.
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RE: No Android forks here
CommonOddity 7th Sep
@global.philosopher

Actually, the fragmentation API that Google has been working on is very promising. I'm thinking by Q2 next year, the issue will be old news. The most interesting part about it is the scaling... Very impressive work.
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RE: No Android forks here
jscott69 7th Sep
@owlnet

I agree: bad analogy. The "they're both cars" analogy could be used to say that an Android tablet and a Windows Server and a MacBook Air are all the same because they both have silicon-based chips and use electricity. Heck, my toaster would probably qualify under those terms.

A better car analogy would be that the Honda Accord and Acura TSX share the same basic unibody structure, powertrain and suspension systems. They just get (slightly) different sheetmetal and interiors to be more aesthetically pleasing in the Acura.

Or it's the same as the Chevrolet Suburban and the Cadillac Escalade EXT -- they both have the same frame, suspension, powertrains, basic body structure ... but it's the sheetmetal and interior upgrades that distinguish the two from each other, with the Cadillac obviously featuring more opulent accoutrements.
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RE: No Android forks here
bezoeker 7th Sep
@owlnet
Anything can be presented as a legal nightmare if enough (big) companies are willing to put a lot of money on the table to sue. And this legal nightmare is not exclusive to Android and looks more related to the patent system.
But it is not bad practice to wait for the verdicts.
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RE: No Android forks here
Scrabbler 6th Sep
"but under the surface, which is where it counts in operating systems, they?re look and act the same"

We are talking consumer systems here. The failure of Linux to get a measurable market share in consumer desktop is that fragmentation of distros and UI is not recognized as forking the system. You may claim this is not a fork because there is the same kernel in there somewhere, but this does little to please the user who prefers a single polished experience to a dozen half-baked options.
Of course, Amazon fork will not kill Android, but will fragment it further.
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RE: No Android forks here
kirovs@... 6th Sep
@Scrabbler
"The failure of Linux to get a measurable market share in consumer desktop is that fragmentation of distros and UI is not recognized as forking the system."
This sentence is factually inaccurate and grammatically flawed.
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RE: No Android forks here
technomom_z 6th Sep
@kirovs@... That's the beauty of Linux. Most people don't even KNOW that they are running it in their own home on the most used desktop they probably have, their cable tv box or even their new wifi equipped television. They're also probably running it in their home wifi router and of course, on their Android phone.
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SJVN, you are making the assumption that these are just UX changes and not kernel changes. How about if Amazon created RTOS extensions to the Linux kernel, how is that not a fork?
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RE: No Android forks here
kirovs@... 6th Sep
@facebook@...
...if? When they do we'll talk and when they commit back (not forking, expanding)- you get the idea?
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RE: No Android forks here
Rabid Howler Monkey Updated - 6th Sep
@kirovs@... First of all, Android itself has forked from Linux. You can read all about it here in SJVNs own words:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-on-android-the-linux-fork/9426

Google has not been committing their own modifications back to the mainline Linux kernel. Where, exactly, do you expect Amazon and Baidu to commit back to? Back to Google's modified Linux kernel? (Is Google actually managing this?) The mainline Linux kernel? If the mainline kernel folks don't have Google's modifications, will Amazon's or Baidu's modifications even be relevant?

That said, nobody, other than Amazon and Baidu, knows exactly what changes will be made to stock Android. What we do know is that both Amazon and Baidu (see Cynical99's post below) will be using Android to compete directly against Google. Google's apparent strategy is to release Android source code to non-OHA members at a later date than OHA members. Thus, Amazon and Baidu will be competing against Google and the OHA members with second-hand (or hand-me-down) Android.

Just curious. Is this how the Apache 2.0 license is supposed to work?
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RE: No Android forks here
YetAnotherBob 6th Sep
@Rabid,

you may not be aware of it, but Google has submitted the changes made to Android back to Kernel.org. The changes just haven't been accepted. Up until the 3.1 Kernel was out, there was too much going on. They are being looked at now. If they are acceptable, then they may be added into the mobile kernel branch. If they are not acceptable, then they will be rejected. But, that is the same as with a lot of other kernel versions.

Android isn't a fork, it's just a branch exploring it's own way around.

Really, your concerns for the future are much more apropos to iOS or Windows Phone 7.

For Android, a bigger concern would be the mapping for Java (used to write all Android applications) and Dalvik (the VM used to actually run the Android applications). But, even that concern isn't worth much.
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Uhm...
tk_77 6th Sep
Android is an overall system. It has Linux as its core operating system, with a GUI running on top of that which comes with its own sets of API's.

If Amazon or Baidu simply modify how the interface looks, then no, there is no forking. If they take the system and change anything, to make it not fully compatible with the upstream Android system, then thats entirely different.

If they add, change or remove UI API's, other system level API's, and/or modify the kernel and those changes aren't merged into the upstream release, then its a fork.

We won't know to what degree of changes there will be until the devices are released.
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RE: No Android forks here
facebook@... 6th Sep
@tk_77

+1. Exactly right. SJVN is making a blanket statement that there is no fork without any direct knowledge of Amazon or Baidu's actions.
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RE: No Android forks here
global.philosopher 6th Sep
@tk_77
Summed it up perfectly.
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No forks?
Cynical99 6th Sep
Well, maybe it's not really a fork, but I thougt Baidu was doing some serious work in removing all reference to Google from their version of Android. You know, all search engine references go to Baidu instead of Google, so Google does the heavy lifting of creating Android and Baidu gets the search engine revenues.

Maybe not a fork in the traditional sense, but it ain't what Google was hoping for.
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RE: No Android forks here
Peter Perry 6th Sep
@Cynical99 CENT does the same with Red Hat's RHEL source code but ultimately everything else is still RHEL.
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you miss the point
Cynical99 6th Sep
@Peter Perry
Google wrote Android to make money by driving search advertising revenue, at least if you believe Google and their insanely stupid corporate drivel.

Baidu's removal of all reference to Google defeats the reason Google wrote it in the first place, to drive revenue via search engine hits and related advertising.

Google does the heavy lifting, Baidu makes a few mods and drives the search engine hits elsewhere.

That ain't what Google wanted when they built Android.
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RE: No Android forks here
technomom_z 6th Sep
@Cynical99 Google has allowed that for quite some time. There are already lots of vendors who don't provide the Google Apps package as part of their Android ROM. Of course, without Google Search, you also don't get Google Maps or the Android Market.

If Baidu has good, solid replacements for those, more power to them.

But Android was intentional built to be customizable. That's a feature, not a flaw.
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global.philosopher 6th Sep
@technomom_z
It's a "feature" that makes iOS more desirable for developers to write Apps for such as Infinity Blade, Sid Meiers Pirates, Battlefield Bad Company HD, Rage HD..and so on. Theres only so many revisions of Angry Birds that can be stomached.

This forking or service layer replacement or customization or whatever you want to call it is preventing most decent Apps from being ported to Android. I susepct Windows Mobile is probably mroe desriable than Android. Google gained market share quickly by releasing the genie....there appears to be no way to get the genie back in the bottle.
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RE: No Android forks here
modrax 6th Sep
@Cynical99 but one could say that all the linux developers did the heavy lifting and google just gets the advertising revenues. open source by nature will require the risk of someone co-opting the software for their benefit.

i think google cares more about driving the mobile ecosystem than realizing all the revenue for themselves. similar to how they have used chrome to force all browser makers to improve their product. they seem to take "a rising tide benefits all ships" approach. if more people around the world use smartphones, then google can realize some share (preferably most of it) of the revenues.

also, baidu is china specific... google has abandoned that market mostly.
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Cynical99 7th Sep
@modrax
"i think google cares more about driving the mobile ecosystem than realizing all the revenue for themselves"

What a chuckle, Google worried about the common good (at least common good from your perspective!).

You must live under a rock somewhere, Google, the profit hungry, ruthless, arrogant, and generally nasty company that they are concerned for the common good?

You really need a grip on reality.

Google did this for one reason only, drive revenues.

What a chuckle!
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RE: No Android forks here
global.philosopher 6th Sep
@Cynical99
Probably won't be allowed to call it Android either. May have to use the term "Android Compatible". Funny thing is the average consumer...particulalry the nationalistic Chinese which is the market Baidu is operating in won't know or care. As long as it makes calls and has the ability to run 1000's of Apps.
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Sure... but
gwconnery@... 6th Sep
For the average user, this article is pointless.

Does it look like Android? Does it run Android applications? Does it come with Google's Android apps like Maps and email? Does it support the Google App Marketplace? Those are the questions the average user of an Amazon device would care about, and at least from MG Siegler's post (which you should have linked to) the answers aren't what you'd expect from reading this article.

It will NOT have Google's app marketplace and will run Amazon's marketplace instead. And presumably there won't be any simple way to bypass this and install say Barnes & Noble's ereader app on the device instead of Amazon's.

It won't have any Google apps. As an uncertified device it can't, so no big suprise there I suppose, but for a typical user this might be something they expect. So either Amazon will come up with their own email application, substitute a different maps app, etc or they'll just sell the device as somewhat fixed function for a low cost.

It won't have a UI that looks at all like Android. But then as you say a lot of Android tablets and phones don't much look like each other already, so maybe no big news there.

Will it run Android apps? Presumably, but I guess we don't really know what limitations there might be either short or long term. We'll just have to wait and see. No phone, no cameras, only two point touch. I suspect we'll see other things were jettisoned as well in the drive to make sure it was low cost. There will certainly be apps that won't work. I bet its 4:3 rather than 16:9 given the focus on reading...
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RE: No Android forks here
Peter Perry 6th Sep
@gwconnery@... Running Android Apps is all that matters. It can have a custom front end like the Color Nook and as long as it runs Android Apps then it is compatible. Google's App suite is optional on all Android Implementations.
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global.philosopher 6th Sep
@Peter Perry Its not optional. OEM's have to sign a license agreement and I believe their is a negligible cost to that but without the license you do not get access to the Google services. Problem is to use the name Android you HAVE TO sign up and HAVE TO provide the services....which means the OEM's cannot value add through competing services and so they end up only making razor thin margins on hardware.
That particular model didn't work out for Digital, Compaq, Gateway, IBM and now HP. It appears no matter how big you are, razor thin margins on hardware is not a long term business strategy...and the OEM's know this.
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RE: No Android forks here
global.philosopher 6th Sep
@gwconnery@...
Your points are correct.

On that note, just a though regarding "what will people do" to work around Amazons restrictions. The most likley scenario will be that it will be possible to root the device and replace it with Android (Linux + Google services) but the problem is if this is the case then that will kill any notion that Amazon will sell the tablet as a loss leader with profits to be recouped through Amazon App Stoe sales. Why sell a cheap tablet that can be rooted and no revenue returned.
No doubt the Amazon tablet will be a 7" device for around $250. hardly a tablet worth waiting for.
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redhaven Updated - 6th Sep
@global.philosopher No doubt that people will get root but I still think Amazon will sell it at cost or as a loss leader. Users have already bought into the Kindle ecosystem so a lot of people will get root so that they can do what they want with their device but still run the stock firmware and buy books from Amazon. The Amazon app market is pretty solid so there will not be too much motivation to install the Google market.

Even those of us that like to tinker and install custom firmware have some sense of brand loyalty. I used to own a Nook Color (I traded up for a Honeycomb tablet but sometimes I miss it) and my wife and daughter both have e-ink Nooks and I put the kindle app on my nook to see that I could do it but in the end, I still bought stuff from B&N.

I am a commuter and I see a ton of Nook Colors on the train (probably 2:1 over iPad and Android tablets) so even though I agree it isn't worth waiting for, there is definitely a market for 7" color readers. B&N hit the right chord with the Nook color, especially with people that do not want anything too complex but want to surf, play games, and read books and magazines. I hope Amazon does just as well. I see a lot of people playing games on their e-ink Kindles so I bet it will drum up a lot of interest.
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RE: No Android forks here
dave95. Updated - 7th Sep
@global.philosopher

Amazon won't be going after the techies with this kindle/tablet. I suspect they're going after the same consumers Apple caters to, the larger gen consumer who just want the device to work, seamlessly. What's rooting to this type of consumer?
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RE: No Android forks here
global.philosopher 6th Sep
There has to be a better way to differentiate Android and Android+Google services.

[Android is to Linux] as [Android + Google services is to Red Hat Linux]
I believe the term Android actually refers to Android + Google Services and there is no actuall name just for the core Android software (unless we should be using the term Dalvik.

Dalvik + Amazon =/ Dalvik + Google. This is a fork of a sort.
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How About the Fact That
x I'm tc 6th Sep
Android is itself a fork of Linux. That is to say, it is *no longer Linux*.

If Amazon can get their own economy around "Amazoid" they may not feel the need to continue folding their code back into Android. If they don't, it's a fork. If Google wont take it, it's a fork.

By the way, I think many people would argue that different Linux distros which include kernel modifications that are not all incorporated back into the main kernel are forks, albeit very small ones.

Period.

(They need to label who wrote the post on the front page of ZDNet so I can skip SVJN's nonsense. I sometimes click it only to realize I've been duped by this stupidity again.)
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Nook Color clone...
eco733 6th Sep
Nook Color Android-based tablet/eReader from Barnes & Noble has been on the market for over a year and sold millions of units at $250. Gives Flash, apps, videos, color magazines and ebooks with video inserts, and the best anti-glare coated screen on the market. Technology "leader" Amazon is finally catching up with the book store company by copying their device.
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Linux failed because of that
AtlanTheGreat 6th Sep
In your article you are describing exactly why Linux still has a 2 to 3 % market-share. To many distributors, to many distributions, to many GUIs. One is enough per operating system!

I hope for Android that Amazon, Baido aso. will fail and that they have to rethink their strategy.
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RE: No Android forks here
CommonOddity 7th Sep
@AtlanTheGreat

Market share relative to what? 2-3% is off, on many levels.

If you're talking desktop, it is estimated to be anywhere between 1-8% (8%, MS conjectures, 5% w3schools OS stats, ~1% statcounter).

If you're talking relative to handsets/tablets, then Android is the Gorilla of the marketplace.

Actually, the distribution model for Linux right now is definitely successful. Whether or not the end users agree with it or not is moot- as this is evolving beyond its original shape.

I mean, hell, there's a lot of versions of Windows out there. Does everyone use 7? Not everyone. There's still plenty using XP, and some using Vista (For reasons that baffle me to this day). I have a friend that still has a 2k box sitting around.

To each their own, and as such, have many uses for different variations of the same thing. Ubuntu is the 'Win 7' of the Linux world, but I myself use SuSE.

It's no different in the phone market. I think I would honestly be pissed if Cyanogens mod was not around. The only thing they are all suffering from (and won't be for much longer happy ) is fragmentation.

I daresay that your comment fails, on many levels. Aside for misinformation and spelling errors- your point is just silly. You wish for them to fail and rethink their strategy? lawl

True POSIX OS' don't need to play the 'Oh crap' compatibility game (Mac OS X being the exception for a plethora of reasons). Android compatibility across multiple platforms makes the app developer community benefit from this, if anything.

I don't think anyone will be rethinking anything.

Ad-hominem sidestep:

Nokia was the only one to do so, for a platform in its infancy (and grand shame at that, Meego is DAMN impressive for a ton of reasons). Look at the demand for N9 w/Meego. Look at where they currently stand.

Now tell me what the trend tells you. You think they're rethinking their original rethinking? Rather monolithic company brought down to its knees by its own business decisions.

It's quite likely the demand for WP7 will save them- but currently this doesn't seem to be the case. I've plenty of friends that develop apps (especially cross-platform). They really don't care for WP7, it would seem. The odd thing? They're not Linux folk in the least. They're purely Windows/Mac users...

Rethink what exactly? Android will remain successful because of its evolving capabilities- and the excellent environment surrounding it. Regardless of forks, distros, etc.
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RE: No Android forks here
robsku 8th Sep
@AtlanTheGreat
Thank god there is an option for us who require more than one UI option, Linux.
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Google didn't buy Motorola for their sterling profits no matter what they say. The patents are to force Apple and Microsoft to back the heck off or potentially face their own $5 per phone tax. I would so love for Microsoft to be forced to pay Google $5 bucks for every wp7 handset sold... Admittedly all that money and a bus pass would enable Google to catch a bus, but it's the thought that counts right?

As for fragmentation, Android is the basic kit without google tools. Changing the skin and using your own apps doesn't fork it, it just won't be a Google Android phone.
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bezoeker 7th Sep
I understand it is not Linux that is forked. The things around it that make Android could have been forked but I will now believe the article.
Indeed it is quite possible that the term fork was wrongly used all the time. Having different forks could be one of the best defenses Android has against anti-competitive treats.
An all other question is if those forks can respect a number of standards so that they all can use things like the same app's.
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GoPower 7th Sep
There done, just stick a fork in them!

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