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OpenSolaris scrapped: Will Oracle pay a price for being SCOracle?

By | August 16, 2010, 6:26am PDT

Summary: After pretending to kindness for many months, Larry Ellison has stepped up to be the number one villain of open source.

Since Bill Gates left Microsoft to become Andrew Carnegie, open source has lacked a convenient villain against which to contend.

After pretending to kindness for many months, Larry Ellison has stepped up to be that villain. (I’m certain this costume would fit him nicely, just $799.95 from Buycostumes.com.)

The Google suit and abandonment of OpenSolaris led programmer-blogger Joe Cheng to come up with a handy one-word curse for Ellison’s Oracle — SCOracle. (Tim Bray’s tweet, unfortunately, is not work safe as Cheng’s is.)

For many analysts, that’s plenty of ammunition to condemn Oracle for all time.

For Bruce Perens, however, it’s not. He’s not just an open source advocate, of course, he’s a law professor.he is an authority on open source. (My apologies for again calling him a legal professor.) And Prof. Perens says Google violated its Sun patent grant by not including AWT or Swing. SiliconANGLE agrees Oracle may have a case. (But if the invention isn’t tied to a specific machine, Groklaw notes, the patent may be tossed.

Joel West adds that even if Google re-engineered Java in a clean room, the patent argument is compelling, and Java was never more than “semi-open.”

There is no such ambiguity in the closing of Solaris. Oracle is closing the software off to open source developers, and will only release open source code in the future after a commercial release. Contributor Steven Scallion called that “a perversion of the open source process.”

The question to ask is, will open source sensibilities force Oracle to pay a high price for its embrace of the dark side?

Microsoft has already tried to capitalize with a mySQL to SQL Server migration tool, but that brings up an important point about Oracle, one that will make taking a pound of open source flesh from it problematic.

Oracle is not in the consumer market. It’s not even in the small business market. Oracle is, and always has been, an enterprise company. It deals with customers who know they have to pay for what they get, negotiate and sign contracts they will follow, and who can afford legal bills with several zeroes in them.

The fact that Java is part of many consumer products, or that OpenOffice is a consumer product, or that mySQL was designed with small businesses in mind is incidental. These are markets Oracle has never showed an inclination toward serving before, and having these markets angry with them is no big deal.

The question open source advocates must ask is, can it be made into a big deal? Maybe even a big Biden deal? How? We can’t expect help from the law or the government. It’s a market question.

Discuss.

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Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for 30 years, a tech freelancer since 1983.

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Dana Blankenhorn has been a journalist, writer and part-time futurist for over 30 years.

At the present moment I run only a personal blog in addition to my ZDNet open source blog.

DanaBlankenhorn.Com has the subtitle The War Against Oil. In the past I have used it to write about political history, e-commerce, personal matters, some ideas related to open source, and The World of Always On, which is the idea of using sensors, motes and RFID to turn WiFi links into platforms for applications which live in the air.

My IRA account at Schwab holds a few tech shares, most notably some Intel and Applied Materials, but there are no open source companies in it. I don’t even own any CBS stock.

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Dana Blankenhorn

Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for nearly 25 years and has covered the online world professionally since 1985. He founded the Interactive Age Daily for CMP Media, and has written for the Chicago Tribune, Advertising Age's "NetMarketing" supplement, and dozens of other publications over the years.

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  • RE: Will Oracle pay a price for being SCOracle
    Dear Dana,
    Actually the issue is a little bit more complex than the picture highlighted by Perens. In fact, even including AWT and the other parts of J2SE, Android could not have been claimed "conformant" unless it passed the TCK compliance test, and this would have added substantial restriction to the future autonomy of Android evolution (for example, Sun could have asked for removal of features conflicting with a specific Sun technology). So, I really believe that Google never could have gone through that road.
    Actualy, Android was specifically designed *not* to be Java (I wrote a little bit here: http://carlodaffara.conecta.it/?p=478 ) and I believe that for the copyright part they are absolutely on the right side, as they never claimed to be Java, Java derived or Java compliant (and, as recently found, ?copyright in computer programs does not protect programming languages from being copied? - see SAS vs. WPS). On the patent side, since Dalvik is quite different from the HotSpot and traditional JRE, Oracle had to find quite broad patents to attack, and I believe that the patent are weak and generic enough not to be a real problem, especially in the post-Bilski world.
    Also, I still believe that even the implicit patent grant that is part of GPLv2 ("any patent must be licensed for everyone's free use or not licensed at all"..."if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program.") is sufficient to claim under US law that patents were given as part of the distribution; Google can use this as a trick to include a licensed part (the relevant code section of OpenJDK) within Android, through the classpath exception - that is, Android can include an external piece of OpenJDK by going through an intermediate class that is under the same license as Android (OpenJDK is GPL+exception for class libraries).
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    cdaffara@...
    16th Aug 2010
  • RE: Will Oracle pay a price for being SCOracle
    @cdaffara@...
    I think Oracle claims that J2Me unlike J2Se does not have a classpath exception and acts as the tool both when it comes to mobile devices. That is unacceptable for software freedom.
    Let's hope that those patents are invalid, because no court will find a copyright infringement.
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    Linux Geek
    16th Aug 2010
  • RE: Will Oracle pay a price for being SCOracle
    Larry Ellison has stepped up to be the about it is bank that website attacked from the site support from any soldier site to the light home page is great number
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    musdahi
    19th Sep
  • RE: Will Oracle pay a price for being SCOracle
    Hi Carla,

    Although Android would have had to pass the conformity tests, the agreement I've seen doesn't really restrict the addition of Java libraries. The relevant term is "(iii) do not add any additional packages, classes, or interfaces to the java.* or javax.* packages or their subpackages;". As far as I can tell, the addition of classes in a separate name space would be fine. Indeed, the requirement I cited seems to be an implicit permission to have libraries that are in any name space other than java.* and javax.* .
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    BrucePerens
    16th Aug 2010
  • RE: Will Oracle pay a price for being SCOracle
    @BrucePerens Dear Bruce, many thanks for the comment. I had not seen the actual TCK licensing term, and received only second-hand information from people that had seen it. Will try to obtain more information.
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    cdaffara@...
    18th Aug 2010
  • RE: Will Oracle pay a price for being SCOracle
    @cdaffara@... Excellent and in depth reply.

    Inasmuch as companies have tried to avoid GPL testing at court, maybe this is the time to do so.

    Most of us thought that SCO vs. IBM would ultimately be a battle on GPL, but when Novell entered the fry, it became apparent that IBM had opted for a shortcut approach and wasn't willing to test GPL at all. In the end, SCO lost all.

    But Oracle's not SCO although they share the common thread of being Enterprise exclusive companies. Google, on the other hand, is almost completely consumer oriented. In the end, Oracle's easier to tumble as it depends on just a couple of customers and after BEA, PeopleSoft and JDEdwards buyouts and now Sun, has increased in size beyond control (akin to Microsoft).
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    cosuna
    17th Aug 2010
  • Will Google pay a price for being Stealoogle?
    Google has no respect for IP (just look to Google books for that). This might just be the start of Google finally being slapped silly.
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    Bruizer
    16th Aug 2010
  • RE: Will Oracle pay a price for being SCOracle
    @Bruizer

    I love Google books and Google Scholar. Thanks for trying to troll though!
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    DonRupertBitByte
    16th Aug 2010
  • RE: Will Oracle pay a price for being SCOracle
    @DonRupertBitByte
    Loving Google products is one thing. But, that does not change the fact that Google's business model is based on scraping other people's data and/or IP, repackaging it, and presenting it to users whose personal information they have accumulated, in order to better target advertising.

    We all love "free" products and services, but that which we get from Google are costing a high price in privacy and confidentiality. Not to mention that they gain advertising revenues from presenting other people's data.
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    jorjitop
    17th Aug 2010
  • LOL
    @Bruizer

    +1

    ... and don't forget that WiFi-gate
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    LBiege
    16th Aug 2010
  • Abusing "IP"
    @Bruizer

    The only sane people objecting to Google Books are publishers who wish to strangle ideas and information while simultaneously screwing the PRODUCERS of IP. If Oracle succeeds, Java will end up the same way as the ORPHANED books Google is trying to make available, collecting dust in a closet somewhere.

    As for "Wifi-gate", get real. Lots of people besides Google have been taking advantage of people BROADCASTING their SSIDs into PUBLIC airspace on PUBLIC frequencies for "enhanced" global positioning.
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    tkejlboom
    17th Aug 2010
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    Technical John
    18th Aug 2010
  • Oracle should settle on Google's terms
    Larry gets a million $ and a Google T Shirt and never opens his mouth about Dalvik!
    Everyone should be happy, the harmony restored and the OSS synergies will triumph.
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    Linux Geek
    16th Aug 2010
  • Larry Ellison needs to be taken out behind the woodshed...
    ... and given a large dose of hickory oil, applied with a hickory stick.
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    sismoc
    16th Aug 2010
  • well well as always the real cat is out of the bag
    Oracle won't loose a single corporate client they dont care ( they dont have the brain matter to do so ) ..... But where Oracle one day may feel the hurt is future client , and small bizz that will become big .....sometime those people have long term memories .... IBM may like this a lots .

    As far as Ellison and Oracle on the android case and Opensolaris reset. I just hope that if google is guilty of copyright infringement they face the music . If not i hope the same faith as sco for oracle period. You wanna play dangerous game be careful its all fun and play until some one loose a eye.

    Project Illumos is underway so middle finger to oracle
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    Quebec-french
    16th Aug 2010

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