Oracle-Google suit challenges open source establishment
Summary: If open source is not to become just another scam, Google needs to hang tough here. If you're to not be evil, you have to be willing to confront evil.
The idea of a patent commons is members don't sue one another over technology covered by the common pool.
The idea of open source is we drop our legal swords and don't go to war with one another after exchanging precious bodily fluids.
What made Java a universal technology was the assumption it was covered by a patent non-aggression pact, starting with the Java Community Process, launched in 2002. It has been covered by the GPL since 2006.
Oracle has just blown all that up, suing Google for its use of Java in Android, a Linux distro. (One of the Oracle lawyers is our old friend David Boies, so I guess Oracle and Google can't be gay-married anymore.)
Florian Mueller, who inveighed against the Oracle acquisition of Sun (based on mySQL), is in full I-told-you-so mode. This is a direct attack on open source, he writes. Oracle seems to have made no effort to come to an agreement before dropping its legal bomb. It's a direct blow against the very idea of open standards.
It's also an attack on two specific institutions, the Open Invention Network and OpenForum Europe. (Simon Phipps agrees about OIN.) On OIN, Mueller writes:
Both Oracle and Google are OIN licensees, so in theory there is a non-aggression pact in place between them, but everyone can see that Oracle sues Google anyway because the OIN's scope of protection is too narrow.
There's more. Open source luminaries Carlo Piana and Eben Moglen both supported Oracle's takeover of Sun, saying it would be good for open source.
So where are those pro-Oracle FOSS advocates now? Will they come out unequivocally in support of Google and condemn Oracle's action? Will they admit that it was a bad idea to let Oracle acquire Sun in the first place? Will they concede that they were wrong when they said Oracle would be a good owner of those patents? Will the SFLC and the Public Patent Foundation now lend pro-bono legal support to Google in order to get those Java patents invalidated before they do more damage?
Or will they keep quiet due to a conflict of interests and only talk about a bogeyman and propose fake solutions such as the OIN in order to distract the community from the real problems?
Personally I don't think this is a suit meant for trial. I suspect Oracle wants what Microsoft got through its Novell deal, a cross-license with an unspecified amount of cash behind it so can assert its authority. (Ironically, Miguel de Icaza now says Google might be in better legal shape with Microsoft technology.)
In a rational world, Oracle might get just that. What open source has proven, conclusively, is that agreements and cooperation can be more profitable than legal war.
This is not always a rational world.
A Google-Oracle compromise might be good business, but it would damage Google's credibility, which remains a prime asset. It would make Google look dirty, which may be Ellison's point. It would make open source look like just an armistice between big legal teams, another happy thought for someone with billions in the bank.
But if open source is not to become just another scam, Google needs to hang tough here. If you're to not be evil, you have to be willing to confront evil.
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Talkback
You got it wrong - Oracle is suing Google for *not* using Java
I don't have an opinion as to who is correct in this dispute, but this is certainly not the case that Oracle wants to now place every Java developer hostage in some kind of bait and switch.
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It might well be Google's right to do that (if they really created this without infringing) but what is clear is that Google was the first to go around the "non aggression pact" as you call it not Oracle.
The issue is not generic to people who simply use the Java according to the GPL terms.
Dane, you really have thing backwards.
Google tried to do an end around Java and $crew the entire Java/Open Source community. The amazing part is how well Google plays the FOSS community to their own ends. Like a fiddle and you are the bow.
It amazes me how the media are not covering this as Google trying to mess with the FOSS crowd.
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the suit wasnt filed or announced today. less toke, more read
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And when it comes to sentimental issues: do not split your infinitives! We should open-source english grammar soon, especially for those claiming to be journalists. :-)
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Well said!
Um, who says Java is GPL? Oracle seems to emphatically DISAGREE
http://www.java.com/en/download/license.jsp
That doesn't look like GPL to *me*...
You are a little off base
This is similar to the argument @slater99 was making in the first post regarding Davlik Vs Sun/Oracle JVM's.
Davlik is basically based on JVM using the JIT compiler
RE: Oracle-Google suit challenges open source establishment
Kind of like they do with Verizon, right?
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Did Google/have others mod, distribute and charge for thier own Java OS?
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