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WebOS: The Other Smartphone/Tablet Linux

By | January 17, 2011, 10:54am PST

Summary: We already have numerous desktop Linuxes; and Android and MeeGo for smartphones and tablets; now HP wants to make webOS popular.

I think that you can have too much of a good thing. I mean, I like that there are so many significant Linux distributions to choose from for servers and desktops. And, OK, I can see there being room for both Android and MeeGo on smartphones and tablets, but, really HP, do we need yet another Linux-based operating system, webOS, for tablets, phones, and netbooks? I don’t think so!

Regardless of what I think, the rumor-mill is going full-speed ahead that, on February 9th, HP will be showing off new smartphones, tablets and maybe even netbooks running webOS. Some folks, like James Kendrick, think that this news would be the cat’s meow. “Of all the product categories HP is considering for webOS, the tablet has me excited as I believe the OS is so fitting for the tablet form that it can take the competition by storm.” Really? Much as I like the idea of Android on tablets, once Google clears up exactly what it’s doing for programmers with Android for different platforms, I can’t see anyone storming Apple’s iPad anytime soon.

As Sean Portnoy points out though, “Apple has the early advantage and the ubiquity of Android means it will grab a big share of the tablet market just as it’s done with smartphones.” Exactly so. That being the case, what does webOS bring to the table that will blow the others away? Or, for that matter, even make HP’s offerings competitive?

WebOS, like both Android and MeeGo, is based on Linux. It also uses a lot of other open-source components such as BusyBox, the Swiss-army knife of embedded Linux command sets; the GStreamer multimedia library; and numerous other common Linux programs.

On top of this though, developers will find the webOS software developer kit (SDK) with the Mojo Framework and the Plug-in Development Kit (PDK). None of these are open source . With the SDK and Mojo, programmers can create Web-based applications using JavaScript, Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), HTML and the WebKit open-source, Web-browser engine. The PDK, which enables the use of C and C++, can be used to port applications from other platforms, such as the iPhone, to webOS devices.

For users, so far, webOS offers such features as JustType and HP Synergy. JustType enables you to simply start typing and then pick the application that you want to act on whatever you just typed in. So, for example, if you typed in “Pizza,” you could either do a Google search for the word or choose to find the closest pizza joint on Google Maps. Synergy gives you a single interface to your social networking, instant-messaging and e-mail from multiple sources automatically. So, for example, you can see your friends’ Facebook status; read your Gmail and Exchange mail; and view your AOL and Yahoo IMs in one place.

This is all well and good, but when you put them all together, will this make the forthcoming HP webOS family compelling to either developers or users? I can’t see it.

If this had appeared last year, just as Apple was rolling out the iPad, sure, it could have been a contender. But today? With a swarm of Android tablets finally arriving to the market? With the iPad 2 just months away? Sorry HP. Too little, too late.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it!

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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RE: WebOS: The Other Smartphone/Tablet Linux
JACOBSONR 14th Oct
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I disagree. iOS is truly hype and we should wait to see what webOS brings us before shooting it down. The beauty of technology is that it can always be improved and there is always room for another competitor.
@groovygirl: ... and even more promising than Android.
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@denisrs.....Who is going to give Samsung a shot? All they've done in recent history up to present is alienate their android user base as well as the carriers. Nobody will want to support their efforts if they don't support their customers. So don't see Bada doing anything. Samsung just keeps digging their grave deeper and deeper.
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@groovygirl

Hype? Based on what?
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This is great! hopefully Google, Microsoft and HP can fight for top spot while the rest of us use iOS with our ipads and ipods that sync and charge on every device in our house and connect to our Apple TV!

Only techies hate Apple, go figure... my technician at my company asked my if I was A+ certified when I told him that my hard drive was making clicking noises and might go out... he kept arguing with me then 2 weeks later laptop refused to boot... I told him maybe I do need that A+ cert LOL
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@Hasam1991
My Ubuntu syncs across all my devices, I can watch movies and print from any room and snapshot all folders... So your point was.....?
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@Hasam1991

"my technician at my company asked my if I was A+ certified when I told him that my hard drive was making clicking noises and might go out... "

I'm A+ certified, and if you said your drive was clicking and might go out, I'd believe you and be rushing to make a backup of that thing and getting a replacement.

That's just arrogance, plain and simple. If he tried to pull that on me, he'd probably be getting an earful.
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RE: WebOS: The Other Smartphone/Tablet Linux
solomonshv Updated - 18th Jan 2011
@Hasam1991 He probably just didn't like you. There is always one or two people at the office that no one likes. maybe you just happen to be one of those people.

Or maybe he didn't think your computer was worth saving. In my company, all work is saved on a file server and all mail is stored on a mail server. nothing is stored locally, ever. I always have systems ready to in case someone's computer dies. It takes 15 minutes to prep a spare system for any employee. I just tell them take a smoke break while I bring them back, good as new.

Or maybe your IT is a tard. Who knows.

BTW, I have an ipad. and it does NOT charge off of every device. It needs a USB port that can provide a .75 - 1.0 A current. That means no Apple device with a USB port can charge it, numb nuts.
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@Hasam1991 My Droid just syncs... no need to attach to any device, ever. As for charging, yeah, it can, from any USB device... and using a standard USB cable, too. But I rarely charge it. When it's low on power, I simply pop a charged battery in, and put the spent one in the charger. Effectively a 30 second charging time.
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O ya, you are right...
QatQat 19th Jan 2011
@Hasam1991 but isn't apple the one company that limits you to 5 registered devices and if you sync anyway on a device that isn't registered it wipes the stupid iPod, iPad, iPhone, etc?
Anyway you can carry on buying their products, it is pointless to try to convince an iFanatic.
QatQat
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this will enhance the Linux echosystem
Linux Geek 17th Jan 2011
and will kill M$ faster.
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*insert thing about Linux*
Michael Alan Goff 17th Jan 2011
OMG it means death for M$

Wait.

Oh right, tablet computers are going to somehow topple a company whose big money makers are: Desktop OS/Office Program.
Yep, I see it.
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Is this place made up of mostly trolls?
AllKnowingAllSeeing 17th Jan 2011
@goff256
Between DonnieBoy, Linux Geek, Hollywood Dog, and a few others it feels like they go out of their way to troll, meaning "posting without anything worth saying".
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I'm just trying to figure out how Linux doing good must
Michael Alan Goff Updated - 17th Jan 2011
mean that Windows is doing bad.

I boot into Ubuntu a lot of the time when I'm not doing schoolwork. I don't think that Windows 7 SP1 means that Linux is going to die. Heck, I don't think the two of them are connected in terms of success or failure. This isn't a zero sum game.

Am I wrong?

Does one have to fail for the other to succeed?
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@goff256 Someday those who wear the M$ ball and chain will smack their heads and go, "WTF?? ...(why this foolishness?)"
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RE: WebOS: The Other Smartphone/Tablet Linux
illegaloperation 17th Jan 2011
@Linux Geek
Why do you Linux retard always bring Microsoft into everything?
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*sigh* Yet another attack from the
Pete "athynz" Athens 17th Jan 2011
@Linux Geek Linux people... you know that just never gets old...
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RE: WebOS: The Other Smartphone/Tablet Linux
DeusXMachina Updated - 19th Jan 2011
@Linux Geek
I suspect Linux might do substantially better?

once it stops having people like you acting as cheerleader. test
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Your list is a bit short
jezor@... 17th Jan 2011
What else does webOS offer users? How about:

1) True multitasking, with multiple apps running onscreen, at once; no launchers or task managers or special programming needed. No need to close a game to check a Web page, or vice versa, and everything updates in real time.

2) Freedom both from iTunes and reliance on (and datasharing with) Google.

3) An open, fully customizable environment, without having to "jailbreak" or "root." Just type webos20090606, tap the icon that shows up, and it's done. Homebrew and custom apps, a universe of system tweaks, themes, and even an updated and overclocked kernel can be installed over-the-air.

4) An expected cloud solution that goes far beyond competitive offerings to provide reliable automatic backup and synchronization, easy switching among phones and tablets, and more, supported by HP's worldwide infrastructure.

And so on. While the marketing hurdles are real, the differences (and advantages) of webOS go far beyond JustType and Synergy. {Jonathan}
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@jezor@...
... and a vibrant homebrew community providing apps and patches all the way down to the kernel; all installable by the end user without jailbreaking. I installed the AV8B kernel and get twice the performance and 3x the battery life of the stock kernel.

In the rare event that something corrupted your device so bad that it won't even boot, HP provides the "webosDoctor" tool to bring it back to life yourself.

With "just-type" I don't even bother to scroll through pages of applications, contacts, websites, etc. I just start typing and I'm there in a flash.
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THANK you!
Alacrify 18th Jan 2011
@jezor@... That's not everything by a long shot, but that's a beautiful list. All the author showed is that he knows nothing about WebOS beyond the industry high points.
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RE: WebOS: The Other Smartphone/Tablet Linux
still fiddlin Updated - 18th Jan 2011
"Freedom ... from iTunes ..." is not something all users are clamoring for. It was a well-set hook by Apple (and still in use).

Other points are good, but matching Apple and Android app stores will take time, and Microsoft's entry will be at least as divisive in competing for developer mindshare. HP needs someone to stumble, IMO.
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@jezor@... I completely agree. WebOS has SO much to offer and is by far the easiest smart phone UI. My wife, who didn't want a smart phone because she thought they were too difficult to use, loves her Palm Pre. I still show my own Palm Pre off to Android users and it usually has better battery life and more customization with PreWare. I don't want to carry around a huge brick of a phone like the HTC EVO my co-worker has. He gets half the battery life and paid hundreds for his phone and I got mine for free. WebOS makes sense to me. GO HP, GO!
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@jezor@... So true.
As a long-time Palm-device user and current Palm-Pre user, we've been waiting somewhat impatiently for HP to get going with WebOS. We were promised Adobe Flash long ago and it's still not available on the Palm Pre. I'm hoping that HP finally has got it's act together and will offer this outstanding OS in tablet form as well as in slightly larger smartphone formats with pull-out keyboards. Otherwise, I'll be switching over to Android when my 2 year Sprint contract runs out in April.
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Competition is good for the Consumer
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 17th Jan 2011
Regardless of the outcome, perhaps most significant is that Linux has enlivened competition again and given consumers freedom of choice.
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Agreed
Michael Alan Goff 17th Jan 2011
HP has the potential to do something great with this.
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The most important thing WebOS brings is an alternative to iOS which is not Google spyware. While so many techies seem to think that everything Google is God's gift, any rational person should realise that everything Google is spyware, and Google's business model is based on spying on their users.

At the same time, WebOS could be the best phone and pad OS. It has many design advantages enumerated above and has the Palm background which implies better useability than most other OS's. Android, besides being spyware, is a clumsy copy of iOS.
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RE: WebOS: The Other Smartphone/Tablet Linux
YetAnotherBob 18th Jan 2011
@jorjitop

If Google didn't spy on me, then I couldn't always turn the phone on and see a map of where I am. Are you sure that is evil???

Every weakness can be made a strength. Every strength can be a weakness.
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No App Market
Cyberslammer3 17th Jan 2011
This is the killer. You're going to have to develop the apps before you sell the product. Nobody is going to to choose WebOS over IOS or Honeycomb when there arent' any WebOS apps
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illegaloperation 17th Jan 2011
@Cyberslammer3
Hey, I have to agree.
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@Cyberslammer3
Perhaps you missed the fact that this is a fully capable Linux environment. So you will have Palm apps and beyond.
You know, before apps market arrived there were linux package repositories. Same thing, only better.
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@kirovs@... Ugh, no. Not better. I think repositories have a lot to learn from app stores.
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@CobraA1@...
At least you do not contest they were first... Good.
I have not tried other repositories, but I find Debian ones to be simply excellent. I am not sure what you perceive as better in apps stores. One thing I can think of is ratings/reviews. All the rest is better in the Linux repositories (detailed data on things installed, better dependencies- recommend, suggests, depends), locking versions, local storage as a source, and so forth.....
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@Cyberslammer3

"arent' any WebOS apps"

Im sorry, but are we actually replying to this idiot as though this was fact? There are over 5,000 apps in the WebOS 'App Store'. Palm calls it the 'App Catalog' because Apple has a trademark on 'App Store', but WebOS *does* in fact have it and you'd have to be a complete moron to miss this fact.
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RE: WebOS: The Other Smartphone/Tablet Linux
YetAnotherBob 18th Jan 2011
@Cyberslammer3

I only use about 6 apps on my Droid normally. the other 199,994 are unimportant to me. I would think that if a few WebOS tablets and smart phones are given to developers prior to launch, there will be several hundred apps available at launch. That's enough for starters. If not, Microsoft WP7 is doomed.
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@Cyberslammer3 - Have you looked at what it takes to make an app for WebOS? There are a ton of apps in the Palm App store already and even more home brew in the PreWare. Even if you can't find an app that does what you want, making one yourself is pretty darn easy with WebOS considering it is just HTML, CSS, and javascript.
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Well, at least there'd be a Linux distro that works for the non-techie....
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Re: "works for non-techies"
bswiss 18th Jan 2011
@dalspartan

I'm a used-books dealer, never worked in IT, and I've been running Linux for a decade (straight from Win'98 -- because WinME had been a disaster, and with XP security still sucked, but MS was focusing on "anti-features" like Product Activation and WGA). Linux was supposed to be "too hard" for the likes of me, It was a trifle harder than Windows, but I can follow written instructions, and found Linux worked precisely as advertised.

Linux has essentially been newbie-ready since about 2002-2004, depending on actual usage needs (mostly defined in terms of requiring "100%" MS-Office and/or Outlook-Exchange compatibility -- and whether users were willing to pay an extra $50 for them).

Some (but not all) Windows "experts" are somehow still managing to have real trouble with Linux, though. (And oddly enough, Apple users appear to adapt much more easily. Go figure.)
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Running something on top of the Linux kernel does not make it Linux.
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@jhughesy
It makes it a Linux distro,
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Except for "The PDK, which enables the use of C and C++, can be used to port applications from other platforms, such as the iPhone, to webOS devices."... no need for a fully developed market, as most popular applications will be ports of existing apps- it'll be able to catch up quickly.

If the initial apps are indeed mostly ports of popular apps from other markets, then it'll also enjoy a higher ratio of quality-to-crap apps than you would find in Apple's or Android's markets- and there's little better advertising than a happy customer!
I am under the impression that WebOS is proprietary.
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Nope
Michael Alan Goff 18th Jan 2011
It's Linux, which fits this place nicely. "Linux (and Open Source)"
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I hope you are wrong on this one, I have a pre plus and love WebOS. I often thought that when it was time to upgrade, if HP had a larger form factor phone I would opt for it rather then an Android phone. I also think WebOS is a natural fit for tablets but this is all just my personal opinion. I hope they can carve out enough of a niche that I still have the option of getting a WebOS device next year when I upgrade.
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I love my WebOS but not my Palm Pre.

I am waiting to see the new HP offerings. Granted the Palm Pre Hardware is just short of being crap but WebOS Kicks! It was Palm's fault for not doing better by this product. Now that HP owns Palm, I hope to see some GREAT Hardware such as being used for the Droid phones and of course the Palm Pad.

I don't hate Apple products at all, I just don't care for AT&T and the fact that Apple locks the IPhone and IPad is what has kept me away.

I like the WebOS Attitude!

Good products cause good competition. If the original Palm Pre had been designed with a solid piece of hardware and not a plastic toy and had Palm marketed it correctly, The Palm Pre really could have been a contender in the marketplace.
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Steven,

I usually enjoy your articles but you really put your foot in your mouth on this one.

WebOS is better than Android in just about every possible way. The only advantage Android has right now is volume. More apps and more devices. Other than that, WebOS is a far better OS. It has all of the polish and shine that iOS has, without any of the fragmentation and user interface issues that Android has. It is literally the bst of both worlds, providing an open, Linux based platform that uses a largely open source stack. In fact, we should be doing more to promote WebOS because Palm doesn't try and lock the user out of the phone. They literally put no roadblocks between the user and root access. You type a well documented code into the phone to enable 'Developer mode', then plug the phone into your PC and use a Palm supplied application to open a root prompt on the phone. No jail breaking of any sort required and the entire process is documented by Palm. They actually encourage homebrew, which is another reason the Linux community should be behind WebOS rather than standing against it.

I still have my Original Palm Pre on Sprint, and I will not be trading in this phone until a new WebOS device is released on Sprint.
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Agreed! NT
JPatrickF 18th Jan 2011
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@irwinr12@...

I still have (perhaps forlorn?) hope for Meego (as it's being called these days), but WebOS looks like it could be interesting, too. I'm not keen on Android -- feels a bit too Rube Goldberg-ish to me, plus the whole Google/privacy issues thing. Wonder how it will turn out -- we need a diverse eco-system of good OSs, even on phones.
O hai HP - stop messing about trying to flog webOS and get on with getting Slates out. Yes I know Win7 isn't tablet optimised but it's optimised for group policy which means I'm at least going to look at it along with Playbook. (And iPad, obviously, but we'd have to trust that Steve wasn't telling fibs about on-device encryption like he did on early iOS>Exchange connections)
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The more the Merrier
olddogv 18th Jan 2011
The more folks are familiar w/ Linux, the more they can make appropriate choices. With HP entering the field, more average home users will be exposed to Linux, and they are more likely to go with HP who is well known by all, than with some of the less familiar vendors. Also, if one hits a snag, HP's website is one of the best and easiest sites to get help & info. (IMHO)
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