Johnny Cache speaks out at ToorCon 8

Johnny Cache speaks out at ToorCon 8

Summary: David Maynor was blocked at the last minute to appear at Toorcon 8 in San Diego and Jon "Johnny Cache" Ellch was stuck with no speaking partner or presentation.  A lot of stories have been quoting this talk and some bloggers have been characterizing it negative in various ways even though they weren't there, but this is the actual video.

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David Maynor was blocked at the last minute to appear at Toorcon 8 in San Diego and Jon "Johnny Cache" Ellch was stuck with no speaking partner or presentation.  A lot of stories have been quoting this talk and some bloggers have been characterizing it negative in various ways even though they weren't there, but this is the actual video.

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  • Thanks George

    Now who am I going to believe? Spin doctors and suits or Johnny Cache? Hmm, well Johnny doesn't look that professional without a suit and tie and in fact he looks a bit radical - an angry young man in fact.

    Hmm

    Two demo third party card flaw
    Rumour of Apple flaws
    Apple admits to flaws and fixes them
    Apple and SecureWorks prevent original two telling all.

    Hmm

    No, it must be that a large multinational company is completely right, the two who demoed are wrong and unprofessional and George Ou is Satan's spawn - the illegitimate son of the Anti-Christ Bill Gates. Oh and PR people for large organisations are totally ethical and honest.

    Glad I cleared that up, I was getting worried ;-)
    TonyMcS
    • I wanted to post a lot more, but was asked not to

      I wanted to post a lot more, but was asked not to because my source would have been handed a lawsuit. For now, I have no choice but to wait.
      georgeou
      • Yeah, thanks George!

        My poor Lombard running Mac OS 10.3.9 with its third-party wireless card and a mere 320MB ram has no way to play the video in WMP 11. This thing is so slow that it's painful and I'm not about to tempt fate installing it here just to see the jilted Ellch spew his story out - from what I've read in the transcripts, I'm guessing he could use an ESL class and a speechwriter. And I thought you would be adept enough to use something for the video that everyone can use, something like, I don't know, QuickTime? I mean everyone uses iTunes, right?

        Glad to know you have enough integrity not to bring lawyers down on your friends and sources. I'd watch out for Apple's lawyers, they've been known to go after the fourth estate when they feel their IP rights have been compromised :-)
        gskiii
        • Given the choice between QT and WM

          More people can play WM than QT since ALL Windows computers can play WM. Many people don't have iTunes and refuse to install it. QuickTime player had more than a dozen remotely exploitable holes patched just last month.

          Furthermore, there is a small plug in for WM in QuickTime.
          http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspx

          As for your comments on ESL, that really isn't called for. Besides, any one in ESL probably speaks one more language than you.
          georgeou
          • My apology on ESL...

            You're quite right, George, the ESL remark was uncalled for. Not hearing the video I certainly wasn't able to hear an accent, either. It's more an observation that engineers I've known could have spent more time learning English grammar and spelling. Typing papers for engineer friends was some hard work! And I'm only able to infer the meaning of the term "flaking" - but then I'm getting on in years...
            gskiii
          • The boy just got his Masters degree

            I can assure you that with a Masters degree, Jon Ellch is more than competent in the English language.

            Here is his thesis project.
            http://www.uninformed.org/?v=5&a=1
            georgeou
          • Yet another silly assertion

            Sorry, but having a Master's degree is hardly proof that someone is
            competent in English. I know quite a few PhDs who are not good
            communicators.

            It's easy to see his level of communication skills on the video. His
            degree doesn't disprove what people can see with their own eyes.
            jragosta
          • Quicktime issues

            Can you detail the "more than a dozen" exploitable holes
            patched in Quicktime by Apple in September?

            Isn't six (6) the number of fixes in the recent Quicktime update?
            Less than half of what you report?
            http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/09/12/quicktime.
            713.released/

            Your argument supporting WM over QT since it's installed (and
            not by choice of course) on all Windows computers is goofy.
            That's like saying HD TV is inferior to analog TV because the
            vast majority of TV sets aren't capable of receiving HD content
            and many people refuse to buy HD TV's.

            It must be hard for you to gain respect as a technology expert
            when you keep falling on the sword of your own "undocumented
            statements".

            I prefer Real World technology, not science fiction. You really
            need to be more careful or get out of the business of
            technology.
            derx
          • Ah, my mistake, I meant to say half a dozen

            For now, it's a tough choice to make. In a perfect world you'd use a video codec everyone supports. But since no such thing exists, I picked the one that the most number of people can support by default. There are small plugins to QuickTime that deal with windows media and Linux is also capable of playing Windows Media.

            However, I might start offering both versions when I get my hands on a quick time encoder.
            georgeou
          • Post it as .swf

            And be done with the platform compatability issues. Works for
            Google and uTube
            Len Rooney
          • Flash 8 doesn't work with Linux

            Flash only goes up to flash 7 in Linux.
            georgeou
          • Just viewed the video...

            using Flip4Mac on my "workstation". Man, sis it mess up the rendering of the web page in Camino! First time I ever saw such a mess. Had to view the page source to get to the comments link. I'm really glad I didn't subject the poor PowerBook to that ordeal :-)

            Anyway, the ESL remark was way off the mark - I'd suggest working on the public speaking skills. And those running the coventions at that venue really need to get a good sound man to work on the PA. Probably didn't help that the speaker wasn't using the microphone very well, but the echos in the room were horrible. Didn't help that the camera was probably using the inferior built-in microphone either. As it was I couldn't make out a word he said, the only saving grace is I've read the transcript.

            Did hear him say Mac OS ex, not Mac OS "ten", so even if he uses Macs, I doubt he bleeds seven colors...

            I can imagine his frustration, having been left hanging out in the cold. He's learned a tough lesson about playing hardball in the business world, I guess.
            gskiii
          • Flip4Mac

            If you don't yet have it, Flip4Mac allows you to play WMV files in
            Quicktime. It's free:
            http://tinyurl.com/hr9on
            tic swayback
          • Nice try

            Why not mpeg2?
            jragosta
          • Most people can't support it

            MPEG2 usually requires a DVD player or DVD codec of some sort. Of course, I just recommend K-Lite Megapack downloadable from betanews.com and it works for just about everything on Windows.

            The point is that if I could only pick one format that would work out of the box for the most people, it would be WMV. Flash is pretty good but I don't have the tools for that and it doesn't work on Linux. At this point, video is still an experiment. ZDNet hasn't made any permanent decisions yet.
            georgeou
          • Oh, I forgot

            I forgot that you're advocating an archaic OS that can't even play
            DVDs until you add third party software. Windows is the ONLY
            major OS that doesn't play DVDs out of the box.

            Just another of the crappy things about the OS you're advocating.
            jragosta
          • Use a better analogy

            [i]That's like saying HD TV is inferior to analog TV because the vast majority of TV sets aren't capable of receiving HD content and many people refuse to buy HD TV's.[/i]

            No, that's like saying: if you can only broadcast in one format and you want to get the biggest audience, you should broadcast in analog... hmm... which is actually how it works! So your analogy, much to your dismay, proves George's point. :(
            NonZealot
        • Everyone uses itunes? I do not think so.

          Look, I say if you want to use itunes, go right ahead, but not me, no how no way. I'm not telling you its a lousy program, its just that I have absolutly no need of it at all. I have yet to find a file I have that I cant play. ANd yes, I do use quicktime. But itunes? I refuse to buy in to that. No how. No way.
          Cayble
      • Oh, boy

        Yet another excuse for not posting facts.

        Give it up. You're a raving lunatic and no one in their right mind believes you.
        jragosta
      • I have proof that Maynor and Ellch are frauds

        but I can't show it to you.
        dgtruckses