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Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ

By | August 30, 2007, 6:25am PDT

Summary: Update 9/1/2007 - Gutmann paper cites shoddy web forum postings as source   Peter Gutmann - the man who admittedly never used Vista and author of the widely cited and widely discredited paper “A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection” - has taken his fight in to the gutter. Now that this issue has gotten some [...]

Update 9/1/2007 - Gutmann paper cites shoddy web forum postings as source  

Peter Gutmann - the man who admittedly never used Vista and author of the widely cited and widely discredited paper “A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection” - has taken his fight in to the gutter. Now that this issue has gotten some attention and many more people are challenging Peter Gutmann to back up his claims, he’s feeling the heat. But instead of answering to the fact that he has done zero research on his paper on Vista Content Protection, Gutmann has turned up his attacks on me by misrepresenting my position and linking to a smear piece that makes false accusations about me. Gutmann has done everything these last two weeks to attack me except defend his paper.

Who cares about the slides?
The biggest misrepresentation Peter Gutmann continues to make is fixation on the “slides” he presented at Usenix Boston earlier this month. The problem is that I never asked for his slides; he offered to send them to me and post them on his website on 8/11/2007 but he’s done neither as of 8/30/2007. It’s been a very convenient red herring since he can continue to say no one can criticize him until they’ve seen the slides and obviously no one can see the slides until he decides to release them.

When I challenged Gutmann’s claims with my data along with data from AnandTech, I was primarily challenging Gutmann’s paper on Windows Vista Content Protection which has been out (with constant changes) since December 2006. I also challenged statements he made at the Boston Usenix which were reported by Jon Brodkin of PCWorld and Gutmann didn’t deny making those statements, only that he was “selectively quoted”. Since Gutmann claims I made things up about his Usenix presentation which I quoted directly from Jon Brodkin’s story, does Gutmann want to now claim Brodkin’s either mistaken in his reporting or that he’s a liar?

I don’t know what context could possibly justify statements from Gutmann’s Usenix talk that Vista’s content protection features cause “full steam” CPU consumption which demands more power consumption and therefore global warming. I’ve posted experimental data showing that there is in fact no measurable power consumption difference between 5% and 15% CPU utilization on an Intel E6600 processor. I then cited AnandTech’s benchmarks on 1080p VC-1 video playback which shows a $100 CPU and a $100 video card ($49 ATI HD2400 XT works too) consuming a mere 7% CPU during 1080p playback. It isn’t just me calling Gutmann out and it isn’t just Ed Bott pointing out Gutmann’s errors, Ken Fisher of ArsTechnica also had a nice write-up where he picked Gutmann apart.

Since Gutmann has been making these claims since last year and I never asked for his Usenix slides - which Gutmann seems to have no intention of releasing anyways -  it’s silly to claim this is about the slides.  But it’s still interesting to see what Gutmann has to say about his slides when he writes:

“For those who are waiting for the slides I’ll post them when things calm down a bit, there just isn’t any point in putting them up while things are stuck at the level of name-calling.”

I don’t get this at all. Why wait when many others in the press want to see this now? What is the point of waiting till “things calm down”? Sounds like Gutmann doesn’t want the world to see what he said in the slides and he would rather have people forget that he ever made those ludicrous claims in Usenix Boston. The problem for Gutmann is that his claims have been widely reported and he’s had his crackpot theory of a paper on Vista Content Protection for 8 months now which is easily refutable point by point.

ComputerWorld and PCWorld New Zealand joins Gutmann’s smear campaign:
What’s even more disturbing is some of media behavior from Gutmann’s homeland. ComputerWorld NZ and PCWorld NZ (New Zealand) of Fairfax Business Media which is an independent division of IDG ran one-sided stories where they interviewed Gutmann about the “fire” he’s been receiving from Ed Bott and George Ou.

Rob O’Neill (ComputerWorld NZ) wrote this story on Tuesday where he basically repeats Gutmann’s claims and even goes as far as to report that I have been asking other people for copies of the Gutmann Usenix slides based on Gutmann’s hearsay. O’Neill also repeats Gutmann’s preposterous and widely refuted claim that Vista DRM even blocks non-commercial content. O’Neill wrote:

“This is not commercial HD content being blocked, this is users’ own content,” Gutmann says. “The more premium content you have, the more output is disabled.”

At the same time, Chris Keall of sister company PCWorld NZ got in to the mix with this blog. So I reached out on Tuesday night to Keall and O’Neill hoping that they would at least try and get my side of the story if they’re going to be reporting on me. To my shock, neither O’Neill or Keall contact me but they respond with a public slap to my face with the blog titled “Yahoo!xtra: who cares? | The war on George gets, low-down, dirty …” that links to the same smear piece that makes false accusations about me which was the same smear tactic that Gutmann used.

Keall went a step further than Peter Gutmann and even re-posted the hacked up photo of my face while claiming to be “neutral”. When I sent posted a complaint about his behavior, Keall immediately tried to cover it up by erasing all references to me and the photo. Keall did reference his colleague O’Neill as the source of the smear piece but it isn’t clear if Keall acted independently. Covering up obviously wasn’t a very bright thing to do since Google News already cached his original title and smear photo he used which I show below.

Yahoo!xtra: who cares? | The war on George gets, low-down, dirty
PCWorld.co.nz, New Zealand - 8 hours ago
Initially, I didn’t even realise Xtra’s Great Email Outage was happening. (Maybe I shouldn’t have admitted that, since now I’ve no chance of scoring that

As you can see in Keall’s current blog posting if you follow the Google News link, all references and images of me have been completely erased. I’ve sent a complaint to IDG’s senior editors in the US (since I don’t have the New Zealand editor contacts) for this juvenile and unprofessional behavior asking them to forward it to the NZ division.

I also posted a note on Keall’s blog which got deleted but I soon got an email response from Chris Keall after I posted another note on his blog saying that I’ve emailed IDG editors. Keall refused to talk about the smear and cover-up and made no apologies on his blog or in private. In all my years as a blogger I’ve never had someone from a major news site engage in such underhanded tactics. No professional journalist or news site should ever cover up a mistake without acknowledging the error and making an apology publicly. It’s even worse that this was a deliberate underhanded smear.

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I thought so. Just words. No proof.
xuniL_z 5th Sep 2007
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nmh 30th Aug 2007
You really have hit a nerve there George.

It has always amazed me the lengths that people will go to to defend their claims whilst strenuously avoiding actually having to release any evidence to back them up.
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Wait till you read the bottom half.
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Absolutely
nmh 30th Aug 2007
Although I notice that your post is now on Keall's blog, albeit with an addendum initialed CK, presumably Chris Keall, criticising your description of O?Neill's original article.

I have to admit I would have expected some sort of apology/notice of correction even if Keall did not make an admission of wrongdoing in it.
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ZDnet needs a Counter Zealotry Blog
nucrash 30th Aug 2007
Although this is pretty much what every blog seems to do. "Call out Zealots with other claims"

Everyone seems to be basing this off of everyone else and in the end no one seems to really have a clue what is going on.

Granted, I do like your articles where you post test shots or results. This shows that you are actually trying to use some backing of your own claims. Other blogs appear to claim differences on this matter, but further more still the insanity that follows is the tasteless attacks of support for one OS or another. My favorite line on attacks against you is one blog on the matter of font rendering that stated, "We would have tested Windows Vista, but currently we have no Vista Machines in house." This was one in the same blog that repeatedly attacked you, Mr. Ou.

I do get tired of sifting through the links of BS to find some obscure half truth to the matter. Of course this is the way sensational journalism works.

Keep up some of your finer posts with information to back up your content and I will keep reading.
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This site is full of them and George Ou is is the biggest Pot kettle Black of them all. His WINTEL zealotry is there for all to see.

But he does write some decent blogs when he's not giving opinions,
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How convenient....
MGP2 31st Aug 2007
How convenient it is to just lob an anonymous grenade without showing your face. Why don't you point us to your blog, site, or wherever it is you show your technical expertise?
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I have disagreed with you in the past, such as the Open Office issue, but you have always been up front with how you got the results you do, and you always try to give evidence on how you got to your conclusions. We may disagree on the methods or numbers, but you do make your case, and you have occasionally changed your mind on an issue when proven wrong. This I can respect.

However, the Gutmann situation is totally bogus, and the attempts at smearing you are nothing more than desperate attacks to support Gutmann's erroneous conclusions. He's too embarrassed to even admit he is wrong, so he goes off the deep end in trying to throw enough fertilizer around, hoping to bury the stink he has made.

Keep to your guns. Most of us know the real truth.
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Thanks
georgeou 30th Aug 2007
And I'm not always right and my conclusions are how I see things and they don't necessarily work for everyone. But this Gutmann guy has taken to new lows.
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Read the Expose yourself
chemist109 30th Aug 2007
I'm not sure that I would take George's word for everything the report says. The majority of it recounts Ou's embarrassing tirade against Apple's wireless drivers. The part he's complaining about is only a small part of the article. See here:

http://roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/D7DEE590-2003-4DC7-8DD1-E156142D4FEA.html
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The issue is what Gutmann said about Vista. All Gutmann has to do is show proof and then he can criticize Ou all he wants.

This reminds me of all the "paranormal" investigators out there who make incredible claims but then back down once someone asks for proof or tries to test it scientifically.

I tend to agree that Vista was poorly executed but if you are going to criticize it, then demonstrate the issue--like Adrian did with the Gigabit network/media player issue.
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In case you hadn't noticed...
zkiwi 30th Aug 2007
These blogs are not really about Gutmann at all, they're about George.
I don't have a paper published claiming outrageous things. If Peter Gutmann is going make the claim that Vista causes full CPU utilization, more power consumption, global warming, and blocks you from your own generated content, he better back it up with some data. Gutmann is supposedly an academic and his paper and his behavior has been shameful.
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You don't?
zkiwi 30th Aug 2007
Then please explain your debunked Font "paper."

Also, in case you hadn't noticed, you attacked Gutmann first. That is, before you saw his presentation. You didn't even give him your "give me a couple of days" chance. Why should he even give you time of day, or even owe you politeness after that stunt? Yet you expect people to treat you with respect.
It's a blog, not an academic paper. But I still provide proof whereas Gutmann's formal paper had zero proof. Heck he admittedly NEVER touched Vista. It would be like me writing the font blog without any screenshots from Mac OS X. Then within 10 hours of the original posting, I had two separate screenshots for Mac OS X. Gutmann in 10 months has provided zero data on Vista.
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Your ignoring that...
zkiwi 30th Aug 2007
Your whole thesis was torn to shreds by those who know more about fonts than you ever did. Yet, you persisted in trying to claim you were right. I hope that at least the "font episode" was a learnign experience for you. As far as Gutmann goes, you never gave him the same chance you would claim for yourself. You just attacked when he didn't respond to you.
"Your whole thesis was torn to shreds by those who know more about fonts than you ever did. Yet, you persisted in trying to claim you were right.?

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But no one can say I didn't present data. You can look at the data which was clear as day and spin it any way you like, but normal people will be able to look at the evidence and draw their own conclusions. They don?t have to agree with me, but I?ve posted all the data.

?I hope that at least the "font episode" was a learnign experience for you.?

Learning experience? I shouldn?t ever post data unfavorable to Mac because some zealots might write emails to tell me to go die? You?re kidding right?

"As far as Gutmann goes, you never gave him the same chance you would claim for yourself. You just attacked when he didn't respond to you."

Gutmann has been smearing Microsoft for 9 months even after they refuted his claims. Gutmann posts an "analysis" without ever touching Windows Vista. Gutmann confirmed PCWorld's quotations and I was responding to his paper and his comments at Usenix Boston. I never asked for his slides, and Gutmann has no intention of releasing his slides until things die down (read - when people forget). I'm not going to wait for his slides before I challenge his paper.
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Legitimate data?
zkiwi 31st Aug 2007
PROOF as you put it requires EVIDENCE, as in a look at the actual presentation, so you can see what he said in detail.

Oh, and how many times were you wrong because you didn't research properly on the WiFi hack and the Font fiasco?
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PROOF?!?
Robert Crocker 31st Aug 2007
We've been eagerly awaiting your proof over the whole Apple fiasco for on going a year now.

George, you really need to take a step back and stop trying to cast everything as so darn personal. It hurts your credibility when you resort to insult and invective instead of simply saying "these numbers don't seem to add up".
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Posted that in March
georgeou 31st Aug 2007
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=451
How Apple orchestrated web attack on researchers
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You call that proof?
Robert Crocker 1st Sep 2007
Let me see, a PR person sends a draft of a statement for someone to issue and that's a "vicious orchestrated attack"?!?

C'mon George, you're sitting up here on your high horse complaining about how other people are deficient in providing back up to their assertions while you went on a multi-month diatribe against Apple and the best "proof" you can get is one email and an Apple patch set?

Where the h-e-double-hockey-sticks is the exploit code from the poor maligned hackers?
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And in the red corner
zkiwi 30th Aug 2007
Is George Ou, frothing uncontrollably at the mouth/keyboard, because finally he thinks he might actually be right.

In the other corner is his track record, font rendering on back to the "I'll show you the facts in a couple of days" fiasco. For the gruesome details see http://roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/D7DEE590-2003-4DC7-8DD1-E156142D4FEA.html

As to a smear campaign against you, you're delusional.
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especially when he started it,
deaf_e_kate 30th Aug 2007
pot kettle black as usual
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And yet.
xuniL_z 30th Aug 2007
you continue to tediously drag out your George Ou story.

Speaking of delusional, George has been completely exhonorated in that matter by something you conveniently seem to avoid....Facts.

I'd provide links showing this to be absolutely the truth, but you are not worth the trouble.
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Exonerated?
zkiwi 30th Aug 2007
When? Facts?
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You know
xuniL_z 30th Aug 2007
you were making fun of spelling. I type as fast as i can and my fingers seem to have dyslexia somedays but that was a doozy.

I gave you all of the required facts on multiple occasions. It's irrelevant to whether Gutmann is smearing him or not.

You didn't answer my question, if MS somehow gets that standard, do you want to come to a big Microsoft celebration I'll be hosting? You know i'm a huge microsoft shill, right?
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then what in the heck would you call it?
Shelendrea 30th Aug 2007
Oh wait, you don't like George so you don't care. Half the time *I* don't like George but people shouldn't act like this.
It is showing less maturity than my kindergartener has.
You sure did jump at the chance to rub salt in the wounds (so to speak) didn't you?
And yes, I am jumping to his defense because there are quite a few people who are doing the happy dance and acting like id10ts.
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And he seems to take delight in going the extra mile just to antagonize people. In this case George first attacked Gutmann without even seeing the presentation. He attacked and smeared Gutmann. Now he's whining long and loud.

And let's not forget his comparison of Apple to Joseph Goebbels and the Nazi propaganda machine. Now that was "professional and reasoned" wasn't it.

Of particular amusement at the moment is his circular linking to "support" the smear and death threat assertions. Please note, "Go and die" is an invitation, not a direct threat.

I'm sorry if I cannot "appreciate" a person like George who claims to be an "IT professional" and yet spends most of his time in falsehood and factual inaccuracy.
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please stop.
xuniL_z 30th Aug 2007
your invective has grown so tiresome and you are becoming loathsome.

And please note, only you would define "Go and die" as an invitation. So why don't you rsvp that you've accepted.
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So...
zkiwi 30th Aug 2007
"Go and die" is what you want me to do? Should I think that is a death threat and ask zdnet to provide your details to the police and have you arrested? Or are you going to claim it was an invitation?
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well
xuniL_z 30th Aug 2007
It seems you are assuming I was taking sides and my post meant to say I believe it's a death threat. As with most of your assumptions, you are completely wrong. I personally see it as an abhorrent insult. One that goes beyond that which a normal person would normally ignore. A reply is certainly not unexpected.

To use your own example, why don't you go to a bar in Tottenham and tell someone to "go die" with obvious contempt in your voice.

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Well, strange as it may seem...
zkiwi 30th Aug 2007
I have done something pretty similar to that. They took one look at me an laughed. Mind you, I had just been somewhat impaled on someone's umbrella, yet I meant what I said and it wasn't a nice friendly greeting.

However, it was as a result of that the locals convinced me that if I was to support any team it should be Spurs, and they actually bought me drinks. Odd, seeing as I really don't like beer, but they didn't seem to mind. I still don't like football, but I do have a soft spot for Spurs. Weird...

But, I give you no chance of surviving a similar circumstance.
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The strangest part
xuniL_z 30th Aug 2007
is you are actually . I've never heard you tell a personal little story like that. Was that one of the craziest experiences in your life zkiwi? I can see where you might leave a little piece of your heart with them in a situation like that...not so strange really. Esp. if you were a visitor to the area. Now is that soccer or real football? wink
The Tottenham hotspurs eh?

Sounds like you were a bit out of your element maybe? What was your upbringing zkiwi...were you well off?


How many are you talking about when you give me 0 chance and what makes you think i'm not able to take care of myself?
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"have a soft spot". (for anything)




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Well...
zkiwi 30th Aug 2007
That little story is just one of many many weird things in my life.

I wasn't even aware I was in Tottenham at the time, it was raining and about 5C in mid June at the time, and I was lost and annoyed at that fact. It turned out that Tottenham was almost as "interesting" as Aberdeen in Hong Kong was, in the sense that it appears that in either location the police tend to travel in at least two's and are armed. Both places were kind of fun at the time, but rather scary when thinking of them after the fact.
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hmmm.
xuniL_z 31st Aug 2007
so, you are name dropping now. ...a world traveler. good for you

Not to sound..i can't think of a good term...but your story doesn't seem "weird" to me. Sounds similar to a regular anyday experience when i was in my early teens into my 20s mostly. grew up young and maybe too quickly, believe it or not. was inherited by people 4 years or so older mostly and never felt like I fit in that much. I used to like beer just fine. I don't drink at all now however. Had a brush with sports(prof.) in my late teens early 20s..


Want scary, go wandering around LA, Houston or NYC when your 15.

I guess it's different for a woman though, or whatever you may be. happy It's actually easier cause you'll be left alone unless you hit the small percentage of running into a psycho.

I'd like to hear more of your stories zkiwi. you can email me off the forums to talk anonymously

xuniL2248atLargeinternetcompanythat'snotmicrosoft.com

It's cool.
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Can i ask a favor
xuniL_z 2nd Sep 2007
can you record this for me.


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Why?
zkiwi 2nd Sep 2007
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well
xuniL_z 3rd Sep 2007
that was sort of ignorant huh? The main site requires real player and I refuse to load it. I suppose i just posted it to to see your response.

But I would delete if possible. It will be available from a wide variety of sources.

I've always had a fondness for David Gilmour dating to my early teens. His voice and signature guitar sound define Pink Floyd to me more than Roger Waters lyrics and force in the band ever could. And a live PF show is a whole lot of fun!

Roger has been a full blown megalomaniac for most of his life. The idea of "the wall" requires one to imagine his presence and thoughts as an artist is significant enough to begin with...a joke...and his paradoxical irreverence to those who brought him fame and wealth is even more of a joke. It would suggest he felt his musical talents and his use of them, at any time, were above those that responded to them. Thus he is deluded in the degree of his own talents.

I also don't know why i said all that.
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Have a nice holiday everyone!
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"Your whole thesis was torn to shreds by those who know more about fonts than you ever did. Yet, you persisted in trying to claim you were right.?

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But no one can say I didn't present data. You can look at the data which was clear as day and spin it any way you like, but normal people will be able to look at the evidence and draw their own conclusions. They don?t have to agree with me, but I?ve posted all the data.

?I hope that at least the "font episode" was a learnign experience for you.?

Learning experience? I shouldn?t ever post data unfavorable to Mac because some zealots might write emails to tell me to go die? You?re kidding right?

"As far as Gutmann goes, you never gave him the same chance you would claim for yourself. You just attacked when he didn't respond to you."

Gutmann has been smearing Microsoft for 9 months even after they refuted his claims. Gutmann posts an "analysis" without ever touching Windows Vista. Gutmann confirmed PCWorld's quotations and I was responding to his paper and his comments at Usenix Boston. I never asked for his slides, and Gutmann has no intention of releasing his slides until things die down (read - when people forget). I'm not going to wait for his slides before I challenge his paper.
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You're on a river in Egypt
zkiwi 30th Aug 2007
You were factually trashed on the font issue, and it's sad you cannot see that. Your data and your conclusions were debunked a number of times. Yet, you continued to assert you were right even after you were hammered.

If you didn't learn, then that's kind of sad.

Lastly, the fact remains, you attacked Gutmann. You did not even give him the chance you yourself expected. Did you honestly expect him to give you any sort of polite response after you attacked him. As to a smear campaign, is responding to your attacks on his web page a campaign?

No where in any of your posts have you ever indicated that you told him that you had tired of waiting for his response or anything like it, you just attacked. As to you not seeking the slides, there's only your words saying you didn't. Trusting you on this matter after the "couple of days" promise is at best hard to do.
I'll say it one last time. I didn't attack his slides; I attacked his 9 month old paper and his statements at Usenix. Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?
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You did not give him a chance, or even let him know that you had waited "long enough" and were going to post what turned out to be an attack on him.

I have no problem at all with reading comprehension. You apparently do. Nowhere did I say you attacked his slides/presentation. It'd be even more ludicrous if you had claimed you had as you say you have never seen them.
How much longer than 9 months does he need? He posted his ludicrous claims in December 2006. Is there a one year waiting period I'm not aware of here? Please explain your idea of the minimum number of months one must wait before challenging someone on their outrageous theories.
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You're still not listening
zkiwi 30th Aug 2007
Did you do him the courtesy of letting him know you were going to attack him?

That and you clearly didn't care a hoot until fairly shortly before you posted your attack. So, your nine months claim is therefore bogus.
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No I hear you alright. You're a Peter Gutmann apologist. That much is very clear.

Peter Gutmann spent the last 9 months talking about how Microsoft Windows Vista does all these horrible things with zero research. He spent the last 9 months directly comparing Microsoft employees to Nazi war criminals. Peter Gutmann has enough of a free pass from the media these last 9 months and only now people are starting to speak out against him. Your efforts to silence his critics won't work.
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That you were going to post even thought you didn't have his presentation?
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"That you were going to post even thought you didn't have his presentation?"

I wasn't aware Peter Gutmann is my editor. I made no promises to him, all I did was ask him some questions and he answered them. Then he promised to post some slides but I never asked him for his slides and I never criticized the contents of his slides since I have not seen them.

But it's funny that if you go to the Usenix website and try to download the presentations of the presenter in front or after Peter Gutmann, you'll find them there. You won't find Peter Gutmann's slides there and you shouldn't hold your breath either since Gutmann has promised to wait indefinitely on posting them.
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Yet, you seem quite happy to "fill in all the blanks" of what he said and didn't say, and in what context without seeing anything.

Do you not see your hypocrisy?
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I dont think he will go for it but how about offering him a chance to respond here? Maybe a guest blog?
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