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Alas, poor RIM and BlackBerry, we knew them well

By | June 24, 2011, 12:12am PDT

Summary: Jason Perlow delivers his eulogy for the dearly departed Research in Motion (RIM) and the BlackBerry product line.

Jason Perlow delivers his eulogy for the dearly departed Research in Motion (RIM) and the BlackBerry product line.

Despite my history of strong criticism regarding Research in Motion, I never, ever wanted to see the company fail.

RIM, without a doubt, was one of Canada’s most important technology companies, if not the most important technology company in that country since the rise and fall of Nortel Networks.

Because the United States and Canada are inseparable allies and have economies and businesses which are in many ways co-dependent, the continued success of the most important technology company in Canada was critically important for our technology industry as well.

It’s key that we state the importance of what the company represented so that we understand the full extent of the loss when RIM does eventually meet its end.

While I am not the only member of the New Media that is eulogizing RIM while the company is still alive, I still intend to give it the respect that it is due.

RIM may not have been “United Statesian” in nationality, but it was an American company. And that means they are family, whether they fly the same flag at their corporate headquarters in Waterloo as us or not.

So when we see a company like RIM going through its death throes, like a beached whale, or a loved family member on life support who we know will never return to health, and that the inevitable is coming, it is a tragic occurrence.

And it is a particularly painful and traumatic thing to observe, especially when we have seen this sort of thing happen before.

Nobody who is an American wants to see this. Not me, not anyone who is a firm believer why continued innovation in technology must remain on this continent, and at more than just a handful of companies.

But we cannot say that we did not see this coming. Clearly, we knew that RIM was sick and its health was failing very early in 2011, particularly with the massive drop in market share starting in the summer of 2010 which has only gotten worse and worse.

However, the signs and portents leading up to the rapid deterioration of the company go back much, much earlier.

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When did things start to go terribly wrong for RIM? I’m going to have to say the moment that Apple launched the iPhone SDK and Developer Program, and created an App Store in the summer of 2008.

RIM’s failure to recognize this key ecosystem building strategy early on, and having to launch its own BlackBerry App World almost a year later was a critical mistake.

But it was only part of a long series of blunders by the company’s management that seemingly continue right up until the end of the story.

Another critical error was simply allowing its platform to rest on its laurels. OS 4 and OS 5 were already long in the tooth in 2007/2008 when the iPhone really began to surge in popularity.

That the company lacked modern mobile web browsing on its platform was a serious deficit as well, which it only partially remedied via its Torch Mobile acquisition in the summer of 2009.

RIM could not fully reap the rewards of Torch and its Iris Browser (which was written for Windows Mobile) until it could utilize its Webkit developers to produce a modern browser for OS 6, which launched on the BlackBerry Torch exactly a year later.

The Torch, however, was largely panned by critics as being underpowered compared to other smartphones on the market at the time, which included a phalanx of much more advanced Android devices that began to emerge onto the market in late 2009, beginning with the Android 2.x-based Motorola Droid on Verizon.

So now between the Droid on Verizon (and its many Froyo-based copies that would follow on various carriers in 2010) and the iPhone on AT&T, the seemingly invincible BlackBerry that was holding onto its Enterprise customers with an iron grip was now losing ground and being flanked on the largest growth market for smartphones, the consumer.

Indeed, my own personal separation from the BlackBerry collective occurred when I was forced into terminating my AT&T contract because my employer had to cut costs and instructed me to terminate my service.

I was being given a cheaper “dumb” phone on a more reliable provider, and that if I wanted a phone with data capabilities, I would have to go out and purchase one and pay for the data plan myself.

So it was in November of 2009, I found myself with a new Verizon Droid.

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Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet, is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies.

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Jason Perlow

Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet is a technologist with over two decades of experience with integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. A long-time computer enthusiast starting the age of 13 with his first Apple ][ personal computer, he began his freelance writing career starting at ZD Sm@rt Reseller in 1996 and has since authored numerous guest columns for ZDNet Enterprise and Ziff-Davis Internet. Jason was previously Senior Technology Editor for Linux Magazine, where he wrote about Open Source issues from 1999 to 2008.

In his spare time, Jason is an avid amateur chef and food writer, where his work reviewing New Jersey restaurants has appeared in The New York Times. He is also the founder of the popular food web site eGullet and blogs about restaurants and cooking at OffTheBroiler.com.

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I agree and tthink it is inevitble at this point. There is another reason to regret this. The loss of a competitor, especially to the closed environment of Apple, is a loss for innovation.
@simplifried Yes, because RIM is a beacon of open standards.
@samalie I use open stuff all the time myself. I do realise though, that most other people don't really care if it's open or not, as long as it works!
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@simplifried I would agree about the "loss for innovation" but RIM proved beyond a shadow of a doubt it was incapable of innovation.
@simplifried
Where's the Apple 1997 eulogy? ZDNet has really hit bottom with it's articles. Poor or no useful content anywhere. Where are the handson's, the month long trials and detailed reports of new products. Reports within proper context: that for what a specific product was built for. You were famous for unbiased content... but now no more.... so long ZDNet.... my eulogy to you...
@SinfoCOMAR I concur, zdnet is trying desperately to fly with dramatic wings as opposed to walking with comfortable shoes
@SinfoCOMAR I agree these types of articles help no one. Instead of dragging them down, help prop them up with something more positive.
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More competition is nothing but good for the consumer. I can only hope that WP7 someday grows up and moves beyond the "barely hanging on" stage to fill the void that is going to be left behind when RIM inevitably disappears.
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Who cares?
MSFTWorshipper 24th Jun
@Playdrv4me iPhones simply *work*. Open standards are for geeks.
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@MSFTWorshipper
And of course it's "geeks" that design and make your iPhone. So what you're saying is...for those who really know what they are doing, there's open standards. For the ignorant herd, there's the iPhone. Yes, I see your point. Good thinking!
bankruptcy and/or failure, perhaps the Canadian Government needs to become involved over the short haul.

If your premise is correct, that is, RIM is a Canadian or North American strategic business concern, a short term Canadian Government bailout (modeled after the US Bailout of Chrysler and GM) designed to keep RIM afloat until all the proposed RIM advanced tech can be implemented might be necessary.

Now, for the purpose of argument, let's assume that a "Free Market" economic model is pure fantasy and only taught in freshman high school economic classes. Governments can and do intervene in the financial affairs of key industries. The only stipulation being that the businesses discussed or considered are indeed "key" or "strategic" enterprises.

Does RIM fall into that category? I don't know. But Jason seems to imply that possibility in his blog.

Although I brought up the recent US Gov Auto Bailout program as an example that the Canadian Gov could use, it should be noted that, for the most part, that auto bailout program was successful.

Yes - the US Gov lost some billions on the deal (mainly on the GM side so far), the benefits far outweigh the costs involved. (Some have suggested that without that bailout, Michigan would have become bankrupted with other manufacturing states quickly following suite.) And, the bailout helped allow introduction of key technological automotive advances (incorporated in the Volt design).

Of course, the Volt II will be more advanced than the Volt I product, just as the iPad II is a more advanced version of the iPad I, but in both cases, the first generation model needs to be introduced - an obvious but key requirement.

RIM needs to introduce key technological advances before it becomes a viable concern again.

I believe the Canadian Government needs to help make that happen.
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@kenosha7777 Is RIM "Too big to fail" for Canada? I don't know. Certainly from a technology prestige point of view, RIM is Canada's crown jewel. But I am not sure if a cash injection will save the company if its products cannot compete and its management does continually stupid things.
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I think Canada will be just fine without RIM, but I worry about what will happen to QNX if it was auctioned off to the highest bidder.
@kenosha7777 If the Canadian government comes to the bailout, I for one will be protesting on the Hill. RIM's failure isn't the economy, its a lack of innovation and direction for the future.

Let RIM die.
@samalie

I agree that the current economic conditions would not influence an eventual RIM failure. However, the world economic condition could influence the length of time required for Canadian citizens dependent on a RIM ecosystem to find alternate sources of employment. Plus, the fewer tech business opportunities available influences the future career decisions of Canadian students. A RIM failure could generate a future loss of a home grown tech knowledge talent pool which would have far reaching implications for Canada's future.

The world can certainly live without RIM. Canada might not be able to over the long haul.
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@samalie

NTP needs to die more than RIM.
@kenosha7777 At least any RIM employees in Canada who lose their jobs won't also lose their healthcare!
@datrappert

That is true!
@kenosha7777 OMG just let it die. You can't compare a phone where all the components are made and assembled over seas the only thing north American about RIM is the networks or cell towers which RIM has nothing to do with. The auto industry has north American suppliers and actual physical workers. The auto bailout was about preserving manufacturing in north america. RIM doesn't manufacture jack. Just let die like woolworths and Montgomery wards.
@rolandrich

Actually, I have absolutely no influence on whether RIM ultimately survives or not. But the Canadian Gov might have a say in that - for various reasons. Am I going to lose much sleep time if RIM folds "tomorrow"? No. And your right, a "phone company" is nothing like an automotive manufacturing firm. But the people who work for them are very much the same.
@rolandrich actually... blackberry devices are made in Canada. I wonder if you really knew who your parents are
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@domlee2010 Many BlackBerry devices are made in Indonesia and other countries. Open up any 2008 or newer BlackBerry and ask anyone at one of the service centers for AT&T. Some, but not all, are manufactured in Canada.
@rolandrich That's nonsense, you don't know what you're talking about. RIM is a very Canadian company. It employs almost 10,000 people in the Waterloo region alone. Most of the R&D, engineering, sales, etc. is done in Canada. Even in manufacturing, their phones are assembled in Mexico, Hungary, CANADA, and a number of other countries. Celestica, for example, manufactures phones for RIM right in the Toronto area. Can the same be said about any of RIM's competition, or are all of their phones made in Asia?
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@rolandrich My Blackberry Curve 8530 was made in Mexico. My Blackberry Storm was "remanufactured" in the Phillipines. So no, not all Blackberry devices are made in Canada.
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@kenosha7777

If they can't make it on their own merits, don't thow good money after bad.

It seems inevitable for RIM's time to pass. They had a very good product for a while. Secure like nothing today. Similarly, efficient like nothing today.
@Schoolboy Bob
With the recent attacks, do you think BlackBerry has an in somewhere?
@kenosha7777
So... Apple shouldn't have been saved back in 1997... were would all the fanbois be now without Bill.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxOp5mBY9IY
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Apple was not "saved" in 1997 - that is a widely circulated myth perpetrated by the Apple Hater Club and ABAers.
@kenosha7777 I believe you are correct in this matter. For those who are screaming to let RIM die, then so should have GM and Chrysler. Neither of these companies were innovative nor had competent leadership, but we bailed the loser's out anyway. Obiviously there are plenty of racists around. Save my nation, the "F" with the others.
@frvr@...

I will support Canada as long as I live. As an American citizen, I understand that our neighbors to the north have had our back covered for as long as I can remember. Friends like that don't come easily and they should be supported as much as possible.
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@kenosha7777 RIM is NOT strategic in any sense.

The government might wisely help those laid off, when, as the article presumes, they are. Even if the people aren't going to be as productive without RIM, they can become more productive than just going thru the motions at a dead organization. Not to mention, not sentenced to the prison of a dead shop.

I think a bankruptcy per se is unlikely for some time, but the US plan for GM, which amounted to the same, made sure that as much of the firm's value was retained by the public (i.e., that all the stakeholders BESIDES the wiped-out shareholders got as much as possible).

RIM's problem appears to be that its innovations of a few years back, and its fine-tuning of them over the past years, are no longer needed as much as the app-phones and iPads. (Other tablets aren't doing any better than the Playbook, so hard to knock RIM for that.)

So unless there are some great technical and managerial geniuses utterly mislocated in the government (what would they be doing there?), who can somehow turn back the clock a few years then dig in, in a way that the article highlighted the actual management did not, the government would only we wasting huge amounts of money on the corpse.

I'm not anti-government involvement. As Dilbert would say, I'm anti-unreality.
@WaltFrench@...

Your arguments presented in your comments are logical, well thought out and I will not rebut them here.

Except, your conclusions are all based upon your initial premise that RIM is NOT strategic in any sense. Let me offer a different perspective which counters that premise.

But first, let me offer a few examples where a country's strategic assets are primarily symbolic. In the US, the 60's manned space race to the moon program was primarily symbolic. Irregardless of how many innovations occurred in technology during those six or seven years prior to Armstrong landing on the moon, if the US had cut back funds to NASA's moon program or cancelled it altogether after Johnson became President, the US military missile projects would still have proceeded. (Some argue that this was the real motivation behind the moon race, that is, to foster a political atmosphere that would allow advances in military missile tech to outpace the Russian counter parts.)

However, had the moon race been cancelled, a generation of engineering students in various strategic fields would have been decimated. NASA and the moon program did supply the base for engineering employment during that era. In that sense, the NASA moon program was Strategic.

Another example of a symbolic strategic program was Canada's "Arrow Interceptor" project. When that program was cancelled, it effectively eliminated Canada's aerospace industry. Has Canada survived without a vibrant aerospace industry since then? Yes. So, one might argue that Canada's aerospace industry was or is not a strategic business asset.

But, symbolically, Canada's aerospace industry was strategic and several generations of Canadian aerospace engineering students were lost. Not to mention all the support manufacturing businesses as well.

Sometimes, a business or an institution can be Strategic based sorely on it's symbolic nature.

RIM is symbolically a Canadian strategic business asset. If Canada's Gov allows it to fail or fail without an attempt to reorganize it's leadership than perhaps the Canadian Gov wishes, for its citizens, a path that returns them to a primarily agrarian society and natural resource provider. Any attempts at fostering a high tech manufacturing base will become secondary, at best, or else simply eliminated. (An oversimplification, to be sure, but non-the-less, some truth behind that conjecture.)
@kenosha7777 GM's problems were mostly financial and structural related to workers, pensions, dealers, etc... and mostly not product related. RIMs problems are not really financial (RIM still makes decent revenue and no cash flow problems) but are rather product/technology related. The canadian government cannot help them in that and any support is more of a nationalization rather than short term support.
I was a long-time Palm user, then moved to the Treo 6xx series when they came out. I've since used a variety of phones and smartphones, including one not-very-smart Android-based Samsung Moment, a true dog of a device. I'm now on my first-ever BlackBerry, a 9670 Style, and while the hardware quality is second to none, the "browser" that comes on this device is a joke. The BB "App World"? It's really more of a pitiful collection of bookmarks to BB-focused websites, and many of these do not work in my experience. The Opera Mini browser works very well on the device, but there's no way to make it the default browser.

Now it does email very well, I've got a couple of my Gmail accounts setup on it, and it hits my work POP3 email just fine, but the other software is just a joke, considering what's available on Android and iPhone these days. Just counting the days until I can upgrade to a nice Android, like the HTC Evo I bought the wife a few months back.
@bhoney@...

You are really looking forward to charging your battery constantly?
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MobileAdmin 24th Jun
I love the shorts and biased views with all the RIM done articles. They take into account nothing that RIM is actively working on, none of the assets they have acquired in the last year, the rapid improvements to QNX (which is the OS for their smartphones going forward).

Is the current OS long in the tooth? No doubt it's 10 years old.
Is the current hardware not as sexy? No doubt, but again RIM's focus is that of messaging device. Compare any of the other devices in that regard and they fail badly. So for the very large population of people who only care about TXT/email - the Blackberry is still a valid device.

What's also funny is everyone assumes the market is static and this is a net sum game. There is no other industry with as much churn as mobile. The market is slated to grow 4x through 2015. During that time LTE (4G) networks will be expanding to blanket the world. EVERY SINGLE mobile device will at some point in that period be replaced so RIM is planning for that churn. They are accepting the current short term lose knowing they will have a comparable option when people are looking to upgrade. Outside of Apple fanboys no one is running around devoting love for HTC, Samsung, LG, ZTE etc. Their device is the best device for a nanosecond. Apple's devices depend on the yearly refresh to keep interest.

RIM still have the most carrier relationships, they get comparable hardware out a big issue will be resolved. As much as people like to think Apps are the be all end all the reality is most people use less than 20 and it's the same 20 Apps across every device. The Playbook browser is lighting fast and is the best at rendering Flash at the moment. The UI is simple yet effective. How it scales to smaller screens will be interesting as I really don't like this march to 4" screens on smartphones, these devices are less phone and more MID/PC.

We're three years into supporting iOS and the trend many don't talk about are the users that get bored with iOS and move back to Blackberry. There is no perfect OS or device. So lets stop all the pandering and giving Apple and Android a pass on their shortcomings. RIM is held to some higher standard that is interesting. Is it because their Canadian? They were #1 for so long people like to see them knocked down? People just hated the fact it is the corporate standard and instead of the tool it was designed for they yearned for it to be something more thus the hype and adoration for iPhone etc?

I don't see people walking around telling Panasonic to stop selling televisions or Buick to just close up shop?

Much of RIM's issues are people that prefer something else and do not recognize their needs are not the same as everyone elses. The state of technology review is just embarrassing, it's all personal opinion and heavily biased.
@MobileAdmin I tend to agree with you that the game isn't over and it's probably a little early to call RIM a TKO... though it's difficult to fail to admit that they are against the ropes and are currently taking a beating.

"So for the very large population of people who only care about TXT/email - the Blackberry is still a valid device." -- Is there really a large population of people who want text/email but don't want access to the web? I find that hard to believe, I love being able to look up information any where any time... it's a truly remarkable change in the world imo.

"As much as people like to think Apps are the be all end all the reality is most people use less than 20 and it's the same 20 Apps across every device." -- Yes, but it's not the same 20 Apps from person to person, which is what it would have to be in order for your implication that a robust app platform is irrelevant to be remotely true.

"I don't see people walking around telling Panasonic to stop selling televisions or Buick to just close up shop?" -- I can't speak to Panasonic, but there are plenty of people who have suggested that Buick, and quite a few others should close shop.
@wzrobin said: "Is there really a large population of people who want text/email but don't want access to the web?"

Aside from the occasional text msg (maybe 2 a month) or quick photo, all I do with my cell phone is talk on it. If I want to take a hi-quality photo I have a "real" camera. If I need to use the www while away from home, I have my HP Pavilion. Call me old-fashioned, but I still see a phone as simply something to talk on. And my reliable Samsung Gravity II does all that just fine. It has Internet capability, but I've never used it. I doubt I ever will.
@wzrobin

I recognize the diversity of Apps and that there is a "something" for everyone mindset. Outside of that though there are the same 20 core Apps was my point. Many Apps are merely a mobile friendly means to get the website content, which with Playbook having Flash 10.3 support negates. The fact is content owners now want to lock you into buying an "App" vs. allowing mobile devices to use their website like a PC (Hulu, MarketWatch etc).

RIM has improved their browser, I think much of the performance issues are due to hardware.
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Prove us all wrong, put your money where your mouth is and purchase RIM stock then.

I will continue to short them until they show they can compete again.
@NetworkBankAdmin

What does that have to do with anything? I make money and pay my finanance guy well to manage my money. If I wanted to be a day trader I would state that.

What is the plan, short RIM down to penny stock? They still have billions of cash and no dent to keep afloat. A take over? What if RIM buys out all stock and just goes private? I'm a tech guy so give us some market analysis.
@MobileAdmin

RIM isn't dead yet, that is true. Though I do get visions of Monty Python and the Holy Grail sometimes. "I'm not quite dead yet! Well, you will be soon!"

But they are taking a massive beating. Worse, though, is that they don't really seem to have anything on the horizon that can reverse the trend and their competitors are moving hard and fast against the remaining advantages in the corporate world.

So for the very large population of people who only care about TXT/email - the Blackberry is still a valid device.

Well.... a lack of features is not a valid selling point. Every phone can do txt and email, many just as well as the BB. In my hot climate I don't really care about heated seats. But if a car was the right car at the right price for what I did want, I wouldn't refuse to buy it because it HAD heated seats.

The App Store problem is a big deal. Apple solved it by being the first mover. Google has mostly solved it by leveraging the open source community, having attractive handset volume, and giving another location for developers to try to stand out in vs the ballooning apple store. MS is working to solve it by making it very easy for trained .Net developers to jump into. Nokia is trying to solve it by jumping in bed with MS. Blackberry and HP still don't seem to have much of a direction on that front and that is problematic.

I really do hope RIM can pull it off and stay relevant. And it is still possible. But I don't think they are far behind Nokia in terms of needing to make a hail mary pass attempt, and soon.
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@MobileAdmin - I agree with your sentiments overall, though I do think RIM is in trouble.

I'm an older company VP, one of several still using BlackBerry while every one of our younger managers is on iPhones & higher-end Android phones. They can do things on their devices I can't even dream of doing.

I'm the one, though, that sends a lot of long emails from my mobile device. I type extremely fast on my BlackBerry; not so on the other devices. 95% of what I use my BlackBerry for is email & text. I don't listen to music or play games or use other apps for work or play. I send lots and lots of emails and text msgs. That's it, and BlackBerry has been perfect for that need for nearly 10 years. The other 5 percent of my use? I do attempt to access the browser once in a while when it would be helpful to look up info for my email. As we all know, it's a slow, tedious process on a BlackBerry and half the time I give up before getting anywhere with it. So yes, I would love to have a decent browser; it's always been the biggest fly in the BlackBerry ointment.

I can't help wondering where RIM would be if they had moved toward upgrading/advancing/perfecting the use of its device for the corporate world instead of trying to make it sing & dance & play games like all the rest of the devices. Why do people thumb their noses at the argument that different people have different needs? I read posts from 20-year-olds who get excited about the newest BlackBerry and then gripe because it's not cool enough. There ISN'T a "cool factor" for a BlackBerry. It's just the best email workhorse I have ever encountered.
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@MobileAdmin

Then ask your financial manager what he thinks of RIM. happy

I'm also a tech guy, but I dabble in the market. The author already did a much better job than me of saying why RIM is in trouble. Your rebuttal is weak at best.

Do I want RIM to fail? Absolutely not. However, they haven't shown me anything to make me believe they can compete with Microsoft, Apple or Google. RIM needs to stop playing catch-up and truly innovate. Nothing on RIM's release schedule shows anything truly "innovative". You are correct in saying Android and IOS are flawed, but they are still miles ahead of anything Blackberry makes.
@NetworkBankAdmin

Is Microsoft even in this market? Windows Phone 7 is by far a major failure compared to RIM. Again your focus is on the RIM hardware which I think they should just source and not bother with it. Hardware is changing too quickly and they do not have the supply control Apple has to power the costs.

What is innovative in smartphones? Is it a dual core cpu? The ability the play games? Forward facing cameras are nice, but have limited use right now (and in Apple's case very poor quality). Every form factor has been tried.

The Bold Touch (9900) is a very nice Blackberry and sadly still not out. It is comparable to anything on the market at the moment plus has NFC, AR etc.

I never said they don't have issues that need major overhaul, I think they know that. My issue is RIM is never going to be Apple or beat them so people need to drop that thought and recognize RIM for the niche they appeal to and sell to.
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@MobileAdmin I'm a bit reluctant to count RIM and Blackberry out as well - while the current OS is a bit long in the tooth I'm looking forward to what they will do with QNX.
well economically compared to us.
Sadly, I know it too well. I wish ZD would put the author's name back on the main page so I can stop wasting my time...
Pyramus: ?I die, die, die?.die?die?" (only to bounce up and announce the need for a postlude)

Alack, alack, alack, Jason, you're allusion to Hamlet should actually be more directed to Bottom's over-the-top ham-performance of the death of Pyramus. RIM has to be long dead for your reference to be correct!

Seriously, RIM's been hammered each and every way possible, be it in the marketplace (though sales still grow overall - some death), the media and on the stock exchange. However, the company still breathes and pulled in a profit of 635 million dollars last quarter.

Can we look at the myopia just for a moment in the world of tech analysts? RIM could die, but just as much due to a self-fulfilling prophecy (all the death-watch reports kill app developers' interest in doing any more app work, businesses wonder if it will be around anymore to support product and service, consumers hear all the noise, etc) as due to your rather long list of crimes against the company.

Now consider: there are 17000 dedicated employees at RIM around the globe, and I think they are more than capable of keeping the company competitive. You guys are simply PALM-ed and NORTEL-ed in terms of how you interpret the future. I think you should be more APPLE-ed and IBM-ed in your views instead, acknowledging that the future is unknown and that RIM is buckling under intense competition like IBM and Apple did - but RIM has the mind-equity, the UI-capabilities (with the ownership of TAT), the technological capacity (with QNX, etc) and the cash (billions, plus no debt and almost zero goodwill) to handle it.

Or do you think only silicon valley firms can turn it around?
More sensationalism. I read these more for the disagreements in the comments section than for the myopic writing. You guys are ridiculous. It has long been my view that quarterly analyst reports and wall street speculation is the Great American Tragedy. Banks are allowed to trade for their own profit these days and not necessarily for only their investors. Hence they can, whether they acknowledge it or not, influence the market for their benefit. In fact, the banks make a ton of money if there is a large swing in prices due to the fact that they have long and short positions on everything, again, for their own benefit.
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