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Amazon's Kindle Fire: The tablet's Volkswagen moment

By | November 17, 2011, 10:59am PST

Summary: The Amazon Kindle Fire will be known as the device that ushered in the tablet that was made and priced for everyone.

This article is an expansion of Jason Perlow’s arguments from our ZDNet Great Debate: Are $200 Tablets a Game Changer?

In 2010, Apple set off the “Big Bang” for the tablet industry, by introducing the iPad. While the consumer electronics giant did not create the tablet, they created the entire model for which all tablets must have today: an App store as well as cloud-based services to back it up.

However, at an entry point of $500, the iPad (and other full size Android tablets that followed) cannot ever be the “People’s Tablet”.

While cheaper than most desktops and laptops, iPad is still too expensive to stay the market leader. There is still a huge untapped market to fill for people that don’t own a tablet at all and would prefer to spend considerably less money on a digital convergence device.

I see a number of parallels between the evolution of the automotive industry and what is happening now in digital convergence.

In the early 1930s, Germany and the rest of the world was in the midst of a global economic depression — not unlike what the world is going through now. At the time, the automobile industry in that country was largely composed of luxury vehicles, and your average family could never afford such a car.

In 1933, shortly after becoming chancellor of Germany, Adolf Hitler commissioned a state-sponsored program to produce a small automobile that was capable of transporting two adults and two children at 60MPH, and priced at a very affordable 990 Reichmark, about the price of a motorcycle.

At the time, a typical weekly salary in the economically depressed nation was 32 Reichsmark. To finance production, a special savings program was put into place which enabled families to set aside 5RM per week.

Over 330,000 families eventually entered the program. The first cars were produced in 1937-1939, using almost entirely slave labor.

The car, dubbed “Volkswagen“, literally meaning “People’s Car” in German, did not actually see mass production until after 1945, when the war had ended and the country had to rebuild its industrial infrastructure after Hitler’s desire for world domination nearly destroyed his nation and his people.

But for nearly 70 years, up until 2003, the iconic “Beetle” produced by the company and designed by legendary automotive engineer Ferdinand Porsche would become the most mass-produced car model in all of history, with over 21,000,000 coming off assembly lines all over the world, and became a critical component in re-establishing Germany’s industrial economy and transforming into the economic power that exists today.

Amazon’s Kindle Fire, in my opinion, is destined to become the “Volkswagen” of digital convergence devices.

But why now? There were 7″ tablets before, and none of them took to consumers in volume. Not like what we’ve seen with the iPad.

There are a number of reasons why previous rivals to the iPad failed. The most important of all of these being price and overall value. The first 7″ Galaxy Tab and Android Honeycomb Tablets, the BlackBerry PlayBook and the HP TouchPad were all priced way too high after Apple set the bar at $500 for their entry-level model iPad.

Apple had the superior ecosystem for content and Apps as well industry leading design, component integration and build quality that none of these competitors could come even close to matching at the prices they were selling at. When you’re coming in as the underdog, pricing your product at $450-$550 doesn’t make a lot of sense, and I think that resonated with consumers.

And what of Barnes & Noble’s offering, the NOOKTablet?

I concede that NOOKTablet’s increased RAM, larger built-in storage and SD expansion may prove to be useful for a small subset of users.

However, ultimately I believe that based on Amazon’s superior ability to leverage the supply chain, strong partnerships in retail as well as their ability to monetize the ecosystem for a tablet which is being sold for very close to or less than margin will prove the company to be too difficult an adversary for B&N.

Unlike Amazon, B&N lacks the strong app and ecosystem and content cloud with the exception of a comparable e-book library.

While I think the NOOKTablet will have a reasonably sized following, particularly among hackers and tinkerers that will wish to “root” the device and install alternative ROMs on it, ultimately B&N cannot make a business model out of hackers and tinkerers.

Barnes & Noble needs to monetize its platform with a compelling app ecosystem as well as with paid content delivery in order to make up its margins on the device costs, which have to be razor thin.

The Amazon Kindle Fire, however, will be successful for all the reasons the B&N NOOKTablet will have problems.

One could argue that there’s nothing particularly impressive about the Kindle Fire hardware. It’s a pretty pedestrian dual-core, 7″ tablet with a fairly standard 1024×600 IPS screen with no storage expandability, no Bluetooth, no GPS as well as no cameras or other frills that its 10.1″ Android cousins such as the Motorola XOOM or the Samsung Galaxy Tab have.

After all, the B&N NOOKColor even bests it with twice the amount of RAM, double the internal storage and an SD expansion slot.

But let’s put this in perspective. The iPad 2 also is a somewhat lacking piece of hardware if you compare it to something like a 10.1″ Motorola XOOM or a Samsung Galaxy Tab.

It has no expansion whatsoever, it cannot output to standard HDMI ports without an overpriced accessory or AirPlay on an Apple TV (which works only questionably in my experience when viewing HD content).

iPad 2’s cameras are mediocre when compared with competing devices, its Wi-Fi radio is anemic and has about half of the RAM of the competition.

But it still manages to be the most popular tablet around. Why? A fantastic industrial design and excellent marketing, but also largely because of the strength of the App and content ecosystem. And this is why I believe Amazon is going to sell millions upon millions of Kindle Fires in 2012.

[Next: Why Kindle Fire will utterly consume the tablet market]»

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Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet is a technologist with over two decades of experience with integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. A long-time computer enthusiast starting the age of 13 with his first Apple ][ personal computer, he began his freelance writing career starting at ZD Sm@rt Reseller in 1996 and has since authored numerous guest columns for ZDNet Enterprise and Ziff-Davis Internet. Jason was previously Senior Technology Editor for Linux Magazine, where he wrote about Open Source issues from 1999 to 2008.

In his spare time, Jason is an avid amateur chef and food writer, where his work reviewing New Jersey restaurants has appeared in The New York Times. He is also the founder of the popular food web site eGullet and blogs about restaurants and cooking at OffTheBroiler.com.

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RE: Amazon's Kindle Fire: The tablet's Volkswagen moment
mykewl 5th Jan
I got an Amazon Kindle Fire for Christmas. The device is heavy, does crash, has very limited storage (5 1/2 gigs after OS), and is a bit buggy. The idea is nice, it has a small form factor and Amazon provides a lot of content (sans the Apps). I wanted the kindle because I thought it would be convenient to carry around with a smaller form factor, and with that in mind it hasn't totally disappointed me. (The whole Amazon only approved Apps that won't allow you to install competing Apps i.e. NYtimes Android App which is free in lieu of paying for a subscription through Amazon is definitely not appealing). Whilst I'm not planning to return the device it is far from the pleasurable experience of an Ipad. My hopes are that Apple steps up to the plate and does provide a smaller tablet. I'll gladly pay the $200 more (than the Amazon Fire), to eliminate the headaches I currently have.
In the mean time I'm hoping that Amazon will actively listen to Kindle Fire owners and update / modify the device accordingly. Amazon has managed to open doors to people who wanted to enter the tablet world. Hopefully with a bit more refinement they will improve their product and our experiences.
And not just a windows square peg hammered into a round hole. The tech pundits who STILL don't get it think it was all the app store that made the iPad a hit. It wasn't. Any other method that would have made it just as easy to install programs on the device would have worked just as well. This is also the reason, desperate praying for it notwithstanding, the Kindle will NOT be the iPad killer you all are fantasizing it will be. Because the Kindle is not a tablet. It is an e-reader that can do a few other things so-so.
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The term "iPad Killer"
jperlow Updated - 17th Nov
@baggins_z was never mentioned in this article. Read the piece before flaming, thanks.

Edit: what I meant to say was that I in no way have described the device as such happy
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vulpine@... 17th Nov
@jperlow : "This isn???t to say that the Kindle Fire is perfect, or even an ???iPad Killer.???

Jason! Really. You don't remember what you wrote? Or was this one of Scott's lines?

That saidI can't agree with baggins_z myself; the ecosystem Apple developed for iOS is truly one of the biggest reasons the iPad has succeeded and I believe Amazon will see a lot of success in the same way. I don't think the K-F will ever match the full capabilities of the iPad until they up its storage capacity, though. For all that people are banking on the Cloud, there are still many people who don't trust their data to be held secure from outside eyes.
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Don't insult our intelligence
baggins_z 17th Nov
" iPad...cannot ever be the ???People???s Tablet??? (inferring the Kindle Fire is).
"There are a number of reasons why previous rivals to the iPad failed." (implying the Kindle will be the iPad killer).
"millions up on millions" (Kindle Fire sale after a lengthy discussion on crappy iPad2 hardware).

So don't even pretend that putting in a disclaimer sentence nullifies the entire theme of your article.
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@jperlow

The following words written by Mr. Perlow describing how the Kindle Fire will dominate the tablet market (aka kill the iPad which holds a 95% share):

"[Next: Why Kindle Fire will utterly consume the tablet market]"

"I beleive that because of the price factor we are looking at potentially a much larger customer base than even the iPad"

"the Amazon Kindle Fire will be known as the device that ushered in the tablet that was made and priced for everyone."

"...at an entry point of $500, the iPad (and other full size Android tablets that followed) cannot ever be the Peoples Tablet".

"iPad is still too expensive to stay the market leader."

There you have it. Now what if Apple end up releasing a larger 7" iPod Touch in a few months that's feature rich, comes with Siri, retina display, front and back cams, a HD mobile gaming monster, and priced around $199 - $250. Where would this inferior spec lower performing Kindle eReader stand against such a device? Will we see an updated post stating how once again the blogs and tech media got it wrong and underestimated Apple and the market? And why do we expect the iPad to stay at $500 when all their products have falling significantly from their introductory price overtime?
@jperlow every one who want to buy kindle fire please take a look at a affordable tablet: http://www.technologyfazer.com/toshiba-thrive-tablet.html
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@jperlow
in fact, his line clearly reads that he doesn't believe it will ever be an iPad killer, nor does he believe it is perfect.

But that said, I can't see this as big as the iPad in sales for a while, but at the same time Amazon has the money and staying power to build an ecosystem around it.

Remember, Amazon, unlike Motorola, Samsung, even Apple doesn't make it's money from the sale of devices, instead they're who they are because of online sales.

They don't need to sell X amount at X dollars to make X profit to stay in business.

They have the online and resellers that do that for them.
@baggins_z
at least one person here is not blind. wink
Even the orinal kindle could not sell millions in one year.
Ipad 2 sales are down because of the success of the 2011 mac book air.
Mac Book air is the perfect mobile computer that out sold many net tops that where less than half it's price.
@Bakabaka

The MacBook Air was a great device, except for the fact it runs OS X... and of course being over a for a piece of aluminum.
@heathman I think you need to go back to the original iPhone announcement, the iPhone is running a form of OS X as well.
@heathman

Huh? OS X is a fantastic OS. At this point, I'm surprised that people still try to dredge up this mac vs. PC argument.

It doesn't have to be either-or. I use OS X, Windows 7, Android and (occasionally) Ubuntu. They all offer something different.
@baggins_z I'm pretty sure it was the Nook Color that created this "200 dollar and isn't crap" tablet category, not the Kindle Fire. Just as the iPad wasn't the first tablet, just the first to make it a technological revolution (although I don't think the KF will have the same impact)
@baggins_z

You hit the nail on the head!! I just finished boxing my Kindle Fire up to go back to the store. After two days of frustration I just do not think it is worth $200. Touches to the screen do not register consistently, there is no real good YouTube option and the web browsing experience is horrible. I'm an amazon fan, but I'll take this $200 and put it aside to start saving for an iPad.
@sgirardot1 Funny, looking at actual user reviews (other than those of the apple-brainwashed) most people seem to be able to operate it just fine, and say just the opposite about the web. Try reading the instructions...oh, never mind, you want an ipad so nothing else will satisfy you anyway, no matter what it does, what it costs, or how well it does its job.
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Hmmm, not my experience at all
necessaryevil 18th Nov
@sgirardot1
Mine works fine, browser has been speedy, youtube worked fine, etc... The writer mentioned a survey that found 25% regretted their iPad purchase. Add me to the list. I ordered mine (1st gen) the second they went up for pre-order. I spent a lot of time with it to come to my final conclusion. It hasn't been arrived at lightly. Day in, day out the 7 in form factor has become my preference. I only use certain apps regularly so the vast quantity isn't necessary or helpful for me. I had a Nook Color which is how I came to my personal, final conclusion regarding size and functionality.
@baggins_z: The Kindle Fire will have access to an Amazon vetted Android market place. It has plenty of scope to reach out for more things to do.

This is article is only relevant if you happen to live in The USA.

I mention this because until Amazon release a tablet internationally, the winner of the "Volkswagon tablet" is still wide open. There's no way the Kindle Fire can possibly be a game changer, until this happens.
@baggins_z For the apple faithful, nothing will be an ipad or i-anything killer. It doesn't matter if it costs more, does less, has flaws, or there are better choices around, they 1) will never accept that anything, anywhere, is better in any way, than something made by apple, and 2) They are blinded by product loyalty, so will argue even the tiniest points of anything else being better. And, on the off chance that something is better with no possible argument, they will then shift to the "who needs that?" tactic.

These forums are SO predictable when they have the word "apple" in them; any criticism of their beloved brings a slough of denial, defensiveness, and rationalization.

"Who cares if it costs over twice as much and doesn't have the features, and is slower and ties you to apple's umbilical cord, the prestige alone is worth the money, we don't need any of those features or Steve and the boys would have put them in the igizmo, it's not slower and even if it was we don't need any more speed, and we love itunes and the istore and being able to buy all of our stuff with a cut going to apple so they can sell us more stuff we need, and we have geniuses for fixing our stuff, you guys just have ordinary people and they're not in white buildings".
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@baggins_z

Essentially a crippled and tethered 'Thing' (Another VW Failure)

Apple and Amazon are both going to keep users on a tight string with respect to access to software and limited hardware functionality. In that point they are one and the same.

There are already a number (growing monthly now) other tablet options out there that offer better hardware and fewer constraints on the users in terms of what they can do an modifications they can make.
Yeah there are millions who will never touch the basic system but then don't forget the strength of MS and Linux has been the ability of users to add/create their own hardware and software solutions customized to their world. Amazon will succeed this Christmas but next year they will be at the bottom of the list along with the sinking iPad (Kept afloat only due to the Cultish followers and lemmings) Look at what happened with the orphaned HP Touch Pad when that was put on sale.and you can see the depth of the market for tablets with greater flexibility. There are plenty of under $300.00 options out there and that number is going to grow and grow and grow this next year. Next Christmas we will be laughing about trumped up stories like this. Then Kindle is not the peoples tablet.
@baggins_z

If, as is highly likely, the eventual size of the tablet market will be comparable with the pc-market as it is today we are talking a huge and rapidly accelerating increase in the size of that market. Are you really saying that a company like Apple that specializes in building high-end consumer electronics (and charging accordingly) will be able to maintain its current 2/3 share of the tablet market? Apple is (for sound business reasons from the company's point of view) deeply uninterested in the two to three hundred buck segment. When that part of the market really takes off it is a no-brainer that the iPad will loose overall market share. However it will of course continue to sell in very large numbers and *that* is what Apple (naturally enough) really care about. The only way they could avoid loosing market share would be if they completely changed their market strategy and started to build for the low to medium end - you *really* think that Cupertino are going to do that? The author's contention that Amazon's entree into the market with the Fire may really "fire up" the tablet market as a *mass* market is a perfectly reasonable piece of speculation and the fact of the matter is that the two - three hundred buck segment will, in the nature of such developments, end up as a much larger segment than the five - six hundred buck segment. Which segment do you think Apple will (continue to) focus on?
If Mr. Perlow is not being paid by Amazon, he should be.
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@hayneiii I'm already being bribed handsomely by apple, google and microsoft. apparently.
@jperlow lol. Best comment by jperlow. Good comeback
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jscott69 18th Nov
@jperlow ... Volkswagen. This gave them tons of free publicity! Surely they sent you a Jetta TDI or something for your troubles, no? wink
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jscott69 - my guess
William Farrell 18th Nov
@jscott69
is they'll send him a Jetta, with MS Sync, Integrated Google Maps, and a built in iPod dock. wink
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LOL
William Farrell 18th Nov
@jperlow
+1 happy
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@jperlow

Good article sir. I think you summed up where the Fire lands for market. It's the birth of the "Good enough, I'll take two" tablet market. It isn't good enough on hardware specs to appeal to Apple and Android "purists", but it does appeal to the standard American household. The comparison to Volkswagen is quite apt.

I'll add something to it. For a normal non-tech mom (an aunt I have is a good example) looking at these: She sees Kindle Fire which is good for textbooks and "other stuff", versus an iPad which is geared for "other stuff". Based on those (massively and overly simplified) features, her son will probably go off to college with a Fire rather than an iPad. And before anyone flames me on that - Notice I said "overly simplified". The normal tech buying person (obviously not reading this site) looks at these things much differently than you or I.
"But for nearly 70 years, up until 2003, the iconic ???Beetle??? produced by the company and designed by legendary automotive engineer Ferdinand Porsche would become the most mass-produced car model in all of history, with over 21,000,000 coming off assembly lines all over the world, and became a critical component in re-establishing Germany???s industrial economy and transforming into the economic power that exists today."

It lasted 70 years as a car, but I don't think it lasted 70 years as top dog.

Combine a really big boom right after the war, becoming a cult classic with the "hippies," and staying so long with the old "beetle" model, and you probably have that record. Today it seems automobile manufacturers are changing their entire lineup every year, rather than sticking with nearly identical models all of the time.

In any case, time to take out the popcorn - only time will tell if the Fire makes it as big as you claim or not.

BTW, is there some techy equivalent of a hippie right now?
@CobraA1 Hipster, perhaps? Eg: "I was using a Windows Tablet in '95, way before tablets became popular". Speaking of which, I did =D
@CobraA1
The point of Volkswagen (people's car) comparison is that the Fire might be the equivalent "people's tablet". The VW Bug had brought cars to a lot of people that would have not been able to afford them otherwise. They were NEVER top dog as a car in their long history. They were just affordable and got the job done, similar to the Fire.

After having gotten a Fire, they're actually a little better than a VW Bug, but the basic premise that it's "affordable and gets the job done" is still accurate.
car they sold.
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@baggins_z
why do you think companies like Gillett can give everyone a free razor? Or HP and Lexmark selling $39 printers?
@CobraA1

Is there a techie equivalent of a hippie right now? Clearly, you don't work in the valley or at HP. I'm rocking the Vibram five fingers. The guy across from me is wearing flip flops, board shorts, a Dead shirt, and I'm pretty sure we both shave, but I doubt either of could tell you exactly when. There are a bunch of SUVs in the parking lot, but there are also DOZENS of Prius'.

I like the Volkswagon analogy for it's optimism. Yeah, everyone makes incremental and stylistic changes, but cars are NOT radically changing every year. Also, his point is not that the Volkswagon has REIGNED for 70 years. It's THRIVED, though. The Beetle changed over that time, but the name is powerful. Camaro, PT Cruiser, and GTO, storied as those brands have been have not been as successful. I look forward to the impact on the entire market. Have you seen what VW goes for NOW-A-DAYS?
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Why don't these tablets have bluetooth? As in the NookColor, their wireless chips are most likely to be bluetooth capable. It doesn't seem like it would take much effort and would add to the overall functionality. IMO, watching content with bluetooth headsets is the way to go. Am I missing something?
@Mac Hosehead

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Now we'll just have to see how well it works out. Amazon isn't all that well known for giving away its numbers.
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Got the Kindle Fire and I must say their amount of media content from Amazon is very impressive.
@Mac Hosehead

The NookTablet most likely has the same wireless chipset in the Tablet as the Nook Color. It's most likely their ace in the whole. If Amazon is to dominate the way jperlow describes, enabling bluetooth through an update could really push the fire, and the market to the limits.
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This is article is only relevant if you happen to live in The USA.

I mention this because until Amazon release a tablet internationally, the winner of the "Volkswagon tablet" is still wide open. There's no way the Kindle Fire can possibly be a game changer, until this happens.
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VW historical minutiae
klumper 17th Nov
A few corrections/additions Jason, in the name of historical accuracy...

a small automobile that was capable of transporting two adults and two children...

Two adults and three children to be precise. wink

A special savings program was put into place which enabled families to set aside 5RM per week. Over 330,000 families eventually entered the program.

Yes so that ordinary Germans could purchase automobiles by means of a simple savings plan. For many years thereafter the Guinness Book of World Records (or was it Ripley's Believe it or Not!) took it in their heads to call this the greatest swindle of all time, which it was anything but, as the war years intervened and never allowed for the program's consummation. All hail Guinness accuracy!

The first cars were produced in 1937-1939, using almost entirely slave labor.

No slave labor was involved. Only prototype models, and development and early production cars, were produced during those early years. The first models were manufactured in Stuttgart, then in KdF-Stadt (later renamed Wolfsburg) starting in 1938. KdF-Stadt was a planned town just outside the village of Fallersleben, one built for the (German) workers of the new Volkswagenwerk.

Hitler named Volkswagen the "KdF-Wagen" when the project was officially christened in 1938. KdF = Kraft durch Freude (Strength through Joy) was the official leisure organization of the Third Reich. Stadt des KdF-Wagens (English: City of the KdF Car at Fallersleben) being the VW factory town located in Lower Saxony [=Wolfsburg].

Very limited numbers of VW's were produced for civilian consumption during the war years, when production switched to military versions of the vehicle (the Kubelwagen and Schwimmwagen). It was during that time that slave labor was utilized in the Volkswagen plant, something equally utilized by our then ally, communist Russia.

The Porsche plant was retooled in a similar vein to produce the Elephant tank destroyer (Panzerjaeger Tiger, aka Elefant) and heavy-tank Mouse (Panzer Maus).

Hitler???s desire for world domination...

More accurately, desire for a Germanic Empire (Reich) sweeping eastward into Russia to displace the rapidly expanding Marxist (Communist) juggernaught being hammered together by Stalin and his cronies. Never sure where so called "world domination" comes from, unless you mean something to rival the then fading British Empire -- or current "superpower" American one.

The iconic ???Beetle??? produced by the company and designed by legendary automotive engineer Ferdinand Porsche...

Hitler chose Dr. Porsche, with a design team led by Erwin Komenda, Karl Rabe and Franz Reimspiess (all from Porsche GmbH), to work alongside the NSDAP trade union Deutsche Arbeitsfront (German Labour Front) to produce the car. Also instrumental in the prototype design was Austrian designer Hans Ledwinka.

The car, dubbed ???Volkswagen???, did not actually see mass production until after 1945, when the war had ended...

Post war production largely owes its success to a far-sighted British army major named Ivan Hirst and then Heinz Nordhoff, a former Opel manager who worked in consultation with Ferdinand Porsche. The former American president Herbert Hoover also played a significant role by employing a well needed dose of common sense.
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@klumper

I can't let this pass. You must mean that the "Germanic Empire" also included most of northern Africa durning this time period and Scandinavia as well. I tend to recall "some historical" evidence indicatiing Paris also belonged to this benign "Germanic Empire" you speak of. Then again, South America must also, at one time, have been a part of this Empire you allude to.

I usually don't speak for another person but I will make a rare exception. I doubt Jason and myself need a history lesson from you.
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Some odd commentary for sure.
Cayble Updated - 17th Nov
@klumper

You say: "Hitlers desire for world domination...

More accurately, desire for a Germanic Empire (Reich) sweeping eastward into Russia to displace the rapidly expanding Marxist (Communist) juggernaught being hammered together by Stalin and his cronies. Never sure where so called "world domination" comes from, unless you mean something to rival the then fading British Empire -- or current "superpower" American one."

Your never sure where world domination comes from...I assume you mean in relation to Hitlers military actions?

Wake up ding dong and do some simple reading.

Check into it ye who appears to be so historically challenged. In 1939 Hitlers troops invaded Poland and in 1940 Hitler had his troops invade France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway and Luxembourg. In case you didn't know when Poland was taken Hitler was actually working with the Soviet Union. Italy and Slovakia were not invaded because they were part of Germany's allies at the time. Shortly after that the war against Britain began with air raids and U-boats.

Before the end of 1940 Hitler had formed an official pact with not only Italy but with Japan as well. Quickly following this Italy invaded Greece and Hitlers army was getting busy in northern Africa. It wasn't until 1941 that Hitler and some of his allies went after the Soviet Union. I guess when you have taken over every surrounding country you have to start on the rest.

And of course, on December 7 Hitlers ally Japan attacked Pearl Harbor along with a number of other Asian/pacific countries such as Thailand and Hong Kong. There were attacks against the Philippines and bombings on Australia and Japan was engaging China as well. Hitler had his fingers deep into South America and numerous other locations that were significantly more difficult for a 1940's era superpower to invade then it would be today. Hitlers reach and ambitions for his day were far above and beyond anything we have ever seen before or since in history and it was largely done through military might and in very short order. Where places, like South America, were just to far away for a 1940's military force to move right into, particularly given how far Hitler had stretched his army, he moved in covertly and through diplomatic envoys. He was working toward a world where no place on the planet would be beyond his reach. Its a very good thing for all of us he was out of his mind.

What are you talking about when you say you were never sure where the so called world domination came from????

Really?

Your a buffoon who clearly has a very skewed idea about history and Hitlers motivations. I dont get people like you, what are you trying to prove?
@Cayble
Given the treaties Germany had with Italy and Japan, technically it covered enough of the earth to be considered world domination...
@Cayble your cartoon take on history might be more credible if you used the contraction 'you're' than the possessive 'your' in your ad hominem final sentence. Hitler's military success was predicated on two circumstances. Firstly, no country had the backbone to actually stand up to the implementation of military force, largely due to the fresh memory of WWI. Secondly, Germany was and is a nearly land locked country with few natural resources necessary for an industrialized nation. Each of Hitler's expansions were designed to secure those resources. Each over the expressed fears and objections of many members of the German military establishment. Germany's economy did not achieve a full wartime output until 1944, hardly a nation ready to take over the world.
Umm, Cloud Based Services first appeared with Android not iOS and not the iPad! Every Android device had some degree of cloud support built in and were expandable
Via 3rd party apps.

I remember my wife got a bad OG Droid and they gave her a new one 2 days later. She logged into all her accounts, Talk, gmail and google Apps as well as Facebook... Within minutes all her apps began to reinstall themselves from the phone she had previously. Her contacts also came back and everything just worked without ever hooking it up to a computer!
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Wrong as usual
wackoae 17th Nov
@Peter Perry "Cloud" based services were available on the iPhone YEARS before Google purchase Android Inc and turn the OS from a Blackberry clone to an iPhone copycat.
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It was destroyed by the First World War, one purpose of which was to allow Britain and France to continue building their empires unchallenged by a newly-industrializing upstart like Germany. Its humiliation and bankrupting through enforced "reparations" at the end of WWI left its society in such an utter shambles that the ascendancy of a strongman like Hitler was actually seen by many as an improvement.

In other words, WWII was to clean up the mess left by WWI.
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kindle fire uber alles
myshortname 17th Nov
well at least one of adolf's ideas worked out
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It's a sales tool for Amazon
GoPower 17th Nov
it's whole purpose is to sell you more stuff, I think we'll find it's use beyond the Amazon ecosystem is fairly limited.
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I was the first person to return a Kindle Fire to my local Best Buy store (today). When I found I couldn't install Dropbox and Firefox because they weren't in the Amazon App store, and when I realized my data plan wouldn't handle the large need for data that the cloud approach requires, I decided to cut my losses and return the device. One thing all these companies making cloud orientated products need to understand is that many people are "cutting the cord" to standard internet providers. In my case, I decided to go totally mobile and use a Verizon 4G/LTE hotspot. Even at the $80 per month 10GB plan rate, I can do very little in the way of video streaming, or any other kind of heavy duty use of data. Even with the standard internet providers, the idea of unlimited data use for a low fixed monthly charge is being reconsidered. The low memory, high data traffic model of the Kindle Fire is heading for a head-on collision with the internet service providers need to restrict the heavy use of data. We have not yet technically reached a place where the moving of data from one place to another is so trivial it is not an issue for the creator or user of the data. We may never reach that place. In my opinion, this makes the Kindle Fire model problematic and to some people, like me, very expensive. Other than that, it seems to be a very well designed product.
I got an Amazon Kindle Fire for Christmas. The device is heavy, does crash, has very limited storage (5 1/2 gigs after OS), and is a bit buggy. The idea is nice, it has a small form factor and Amazon provides a lot of content (sans the Apps). I wanted the kindle because I thought it would be convenient to carry around with a smaller form factor, and with that in mind it hasn't totally disappointed me. (The whole Amazon only approved Apps that won't allow you to install competing Apps i.e. NYtimes Android App which is free in lieu of paying for a subscription through Amazon is definitely not appealing). Whilst I'm not planning to return the device it is far from the pleasurable experience of an Ipad. My hopes are that Apple steps up to the plate and does provide a smaller tablet. I'll gladly pay the $200 more (than the Amazon Fire), to eliminate the headaches I currently have.
In the mean time I'm hoping that Amazon will actively listen to Kindle Fire owners and update / modify the device accordingly. Amazon has managed to open doors to people who wanted to enter the tablet world. Hopefully with a bit more refinement they will improve their product and our experiences.

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