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Browser Protection: The Next Generation

By | April 28, 2010, 2:09pm PDT

Summary: The Web Browsers and ISP’s of the future will behave like the “Deflector Shields” of Star Trek, protecting our computers against malware and scripting attacks.

The Web Browsers and ISPs of the future will behave like the “Deflector Shields” of Star Trek, protecting our computers against malware and scripting attacks.

This week, I wrote about how I decided to firewall off my entire Windows installation from my main desktop computer system, due to my concerns about the current state of Internet security and the increasing level of sophistication of malware and scripting/phishing attacks that can compromise users systems.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

A bunch of people who left TalkBacks to this post believed that this announcement that I will primarily be running Windows in a virtualized mode — by using Linux as my primary OS — was either a

* Calculated attack and proof of my long standing hatred of Windows and Microsoft and showing my spots an an Open Source weenie

* A form of shilling promotion for Ubuntu Linux’s pending Lucid Lynx release (Note to Mr. Shuttleworth, I’m still waiting on my $50,000 check)

* Or a flat-out overreaction to what might not have been a direct system compromise at all. Indeed, it may have been FaceBook, not my PC, that was compromised directly.

Get Over It

I’d like to state that the first of the two accusations is absolutely false. I do not hate Microsoft or Windows and have no intention of abandoning either.

In fact, I use and deploy Microsoft products heavily in both my personal and professional life and there are many pieces of software which run on Windows that I am dependent on which will not have viable Linux equivalents for a long time to come. As for the second accusation — I told everyone already that I was a multiplatformist. You either accept this statement at face value or you can continue to believe whatever the hell you want.

My server hypervisor of choice at home is Hyper-V and Windows Server 2008R2, and I’d like to see it get much greater adoption in the enterprise because I think it’s an excellent and highly cost effective solution for server consolidation, particularly for Microsoft-centric environments that are reliant on SQL Server and Exchange.

As to the third complaint — my reaction to segregating Windows off from my browsing and Internet experience was motivated entirely by security concerns. I consider myself a “high value target” and am no longer willing to manage the risks or sink the time investment associated by using Windows as my base platform.

Whether it was FaceBook itself that was the culprit and not malware doesn’t really matter from my perspective. I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore. Don’t agree with this? Tough noogies.

Vulnerabilities Start with the Browser and Work their Way into the OS

We can debate to the ends of the earth of whether or not Windows is more or less secure than Linux — but few security experts will disagree that Windows represents a much larger target of opportunity than Linux for exploits on end-user systems and a very large list of unpatched vulnerabilities still exist in the OS.

I believe we can also agree that with the increased shift towards Internet-centric activities, such as using FaceBook and other complex Web 2.0 sites, that more and more efforts will be centered on browsers as the means to gain unauthorized entry to end-user systems and accounts (as with sophisticated malware such as Koobface) or to hijack browser sessions with cross-site scripting exploits to gain access to cloud-based user information.

With this in mind, the browsers and the desktop OSes of the future need to provide us a much broader and much more comprehensive level of protection than the average user enjoys today. To use a geeky analogy, they need the PC equivalent of the “Internet Deflector Shield” from Star Trek. And to give this “Deflector Shield” to end users we need to seriously re-think how browsers are architected and run on end-user systems.

Isolation Being the First Step Towards Better Protection

Two years ago, back in April 2008, shortly after joining ZDNet I wrote an article named “If I were to design Windows 7“. Primarily, this was a reaction and a proposed solution to the compatibility problems that Windows Vista was dealing with at the time.

My key recommendation to solving those compatibility problems was to provide Windows 7 with a built-in hypervisor. While this recommendation was largely dismissed at the time — including by Microsoft and also our own resident Windows expert, Ed Bott, it eventually did turn out that some versions of Windows 7 finally shipped with built-in virtualization technology — Windows XP Mode.

How many users actually use Windows XP mode to run legacy apps in Windows 7 is unknown, as there’s never been any kind of study or quantitative report by Microsoft as to what the deployment totals are, and it’s also unknown how many people still are using older legacy apps on Windows 7 without having upgraded to new versions. Still, the technology is valid — it allows XP to run in a completely isolated process from the rest of the system.

Much in the same way Windows XP mode functions, it would also be possible to “Jail” Internet Explorer or any other browser within Windows using any number of virtualization technologies and to isolate it from the core OS so that malware could not leave that jail and propagate to the rest of the system.

This “Jail” or VM container would be the basis for the proposed “Browser Deflector Shield”.

Building the Deflector Shield with Microsoft Virtualization Technologies

There are a number of approaches which would permit this isolation. Current technologies at Microsoft’s disposal include MED-V, which is based on the Type 2 hypervisor Virtual PC technology that Windows XP mode uses.

A minimized Windows kernel with “Just enough OS” (JeOS) combined with Internet Explorer running on MED-V or full port of Hyper-V with proactive antimalware and running on a virtual hard disk file (VHD) for quarantined file downloads might make up a solution that could be brought to market within a year.

Microsoft also has APP-V, which is more of an enterprise, server-based virtualization technology for presenting applications to remote desktops, and would allow the browser to run on the server using enterprise-grade security controls and methods. This could very well be provided as a service from the ISP within the cloud, or within a corporate managed environment.

From a future Windows software architecture perspective, Windows 8 could be designed so that the entire OS boots and runs off of a hypervisor, such as a desktop implementation of Hyper-V, Microsoft’s Type 1 hypervisor, wherein various system components could be maintained in a modular fashion and would talk to each other over a secure communications bus.

One of those system components could be a managed microkernel such as Midori, with simply Internet Explorer or even the thin Gazelle browser running within this protected space.

What about Alien Technology?

In addition to Microsoft’s solutions, Google itself could issue a Windows version of Chrome OS, which would include a Type 2 Hypervisor (such as a run-time version of VirtualBox) and run entirely in virtual disk.

But Microsoft and Google are not the only entities that could provide this browser isolation. This functionality could also be addressed by companies like Parallels, which owns the Virtuozzo OS virtualization product that runs on Windows and Linux.

Unlike the previously described solutions that use hypervisors, Virtuozzo (and its open source project for Linux, OpenVZ) uses containers, so it doesn’t create new kernel and full OS instances within each virtual machine. Instead, it partitions out resources within a unified kernel instance to perform the isolation.

Using this method, a browser such as Internet Explorer, Chrome or Firefox could be set to run within within a fully isolated container. The advantage of this method over a Type 1 or Type 2 hypervisor is that it uses far less CPU and memory overhead, and thus could be used even on systems with relatively weak processors and relatively small amounts of RAM or those that lack hardware virtualization capability, such as Intel’s Atom on netbooks.

Currently, Parallels Virtuozzo Containers is only marketed for use on servers thru the reseller channel and is too price prohibitive to be used on a Windows desktop, but there is no technical reason why the company could not produce a desktop version for Windows that had stripped down functionality to act as the basis for the isolation in the “Deflector Shield”. Note to Parallels: PLEASE MAKE THIS PRODUCT.

From the perspective of the end-user, all of these solutions would just look like a browser icon on the desktop. The isolation and virtualization techniques described above would all happen in the background.

The virtual container running the browser and the quarantined download area (which would also behind a NAT firewall) could also be combined with an integrated virus checker and antispyware to monitor the health of the environment.

If malware is detected, the supervisory program would notify the user, and then prompt them to wipe the container — as if it were formatting the hard disk on a physical system — and re-initialize a completely new container. From the perspective of the malware, you just did a FORMAT C:

Reinitialization of the browser container would allow the user to quickly contain the threat, and if necessary — to quote Ripley from Aliens, to

nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”

Lt. Worf: Unified Threat Management for Consumers

The isolation provides the basic deflector shield to protect the core of your system from being compromised, but to have a complete solution, we’re also going to need to figure out how to bring Unified Threat Management (UTM) with Deep Packet Inspection (DPI), to every single end-user.

For the layman, think of UTM/DPI as Lieutenant Worf presiding over your network connection. He’s your security officer, vigilantly watching the long and short range scanners for signs of enemy Romulans or weird energy readings. He’s a sophisticated hardware-based firewall that looks at everything coming into your network at the deep packet level.

If he sees something he doesn’t like, and he gets pissed off, he blasts it out of the sky with the phasers or photon torpedoes and stops it cold. Doesn’t matter if it’s a virus, a phishing site, a hacker trying to directly penetrate your machine and intrude on your network, incoming spam, cross-site scripting or even content you don’t want your family to see, such as pornography.

Currently, UTM with DPI is an enterprise level solution for large businesses or SMBs. Companies purchase it in the form of appliances, such as those made by Sonicwall, Checkpoint, Cisco and Juniper and they start at about $1000.00 with yearly services going for about $100-$200 depending on what security modules are licensed and how many users are attached.

Additionally, unlike traditional SPI (Stateful Packet Inspection) firewalls, because the inspection is happening at the deep packet level, the wire-line speeds of your broadband are going to be degraded due to the overhead, from anywhere between 20 and 40 percent, depending which inspection and filtering services are running.

Ideally, we need to figure out how to get this from the enterprise down to Joe average cable modem or DSL user, let alone the FiOS customer. ISP’s should provide UTM and DPI as a value added service which residential customers could subscribe to as SaaS and self-provision in the $50-$100 a year range.

Consumer UTM, when combined with the Internet “Deflector Shield”, will finally give Windows, Mac, Linux, and web-enabled device users true peace of mind. Until then, I’m sticking with my current solution — full OS isolation.

Are you in the market for the “Internet Deflector Shield” and Consumer UTM? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

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Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet, is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies.

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Jason Perlow

Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet is a technologist with over two decades of experience with integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. A long-time computer enthusiast starting the age of 13 with his first Apple ][ personal computer, he began his freelance writing career starting at ZD Sm@rt Reseller in 1996 and has since authored numerous guest columns for ZDNet Enterprise and Ziff-Davis Internet. Jason was previously Senior Technology Editor for Linux Magazine, where he wrote about Open Source issues from 1999 to 2008.

In his spare time, Jason is an avid amateur chef and food writer, where his work reviewing New Jersey restaurants has appeared in The New York Times. He is also the founder of the popular food web site eGullet and blogs about restaurants and cooking at OffTheBroiler.com.

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Was it a Facebook attack ?
Strawberry&Sugar 21st Oct
I got into a verbal shoving match with a few Mods @ FB on October the 1st and they hacked my Photobucket account and dropped their own pictures into a folder I was linking to for FB users to see, and when I called them on that in the public forum, they hacked into my Yahoo email accounts, (2 of them) and they infected my machine with information reporting virus', 85 instances,running in a matter of 15 minutes. How do I know this you may wonder, I have log entries from my firewall with the hacked apps reporting directly to several individual Facebook IP's as well as a "blanket IP that belongs to FB !

Want to see the proof ??????

no name please
auto61952381@hushmail.com
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Enable your Ubuntu Linux Firefox Browser sandbox by typing...
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate Updated - 28th Apr 2010
$sudo aa-enforce /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.firefox

Shields Up!

Be safe TODAY with Ubuntu Linux and AppArmor.

Dietrich T. Schmitz
Linux Advocate
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And spend hours upon hours trying to configure it!
Loverock Davidson 28th Apr 2010
I can't see people going for that solution. Too time consuming.
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It's a one-time command. Copy/paste to a terminal window. 5 seconds.
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate 28th Apr 2010
nt
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i JUST ran that command and it took all of 5 seconds typing it out AND typing my password...
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And there you have it Folks. Thanks JT82!
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate 28th Apr 2010
nt
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Needs point and click.
CobraA1 28th Apr 2010
That's nice, but it should be point and click and
available for Windows.
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Windows has no analog for Linux Security Modules AppArmor
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate 28th Apr 2010
But yes, a GUI [x] checkbox at install or post-install in System->Administration is needed.
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We've been over this before. Yes it has.
honeymonster Updated - 28th Apr 2010
It's just built better and integrated into the
OS permission system.

Security should not be bolted on as an
afterthought as apparmor is. The OS should
provide security without relying on dangerous
out-of-kernel hooks.

Windows has service hardening. Look it up. More
services than compared to Linux daemons can run
with less privileges. And Windows services get
an account per service under which they
run. This way privileges can be tightly
controlled.

Windows has integrity levels, protecting the
user and the OS from bugs in low integrity
processes, such as Internet Explorer and
Chrome.

It may not have a text config file like
apparmor for you to spend hours and days
tweaking. But that's because it's just
integrated properly into the OS permission
system.

And then go read about the horrible (horrible!)
idea called setuid and setgid in Linux. Big,
bad ugly patches to make up for the fact that
Linux permission system is insufficient and too
coarse grained. Setuid is an even worse idea
than ActiveX for website extensions.
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LSM isn't an afterthought. It's designed into the Linux Kernel.
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate Updated - 29th Apr 2010
"It's just built better and integrated into the
OS permission system"


Google software engineers say otherwise.

Caveats:

http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/sandbox#TOC-Other-caveats

"The operating system might have bugs. Of interest are bugs in the Windows API that allow the bypass of the regular security checks. If such a bug exists, malware will be able to bypass the sandbox restrictions and broker policy and possibly compromise the computer. Under Windows, there is no practical way to prevent code in the sandbox from calling a system service.

In addition, third party software, particularly anti-malware solutions, can create new attack vectors. The most troublesome are applications that inject dlls in order to enable some (usually unwanted) capability. These dlls will also get injected in the sandbox process. In the best case they will malfunction, and in the worst case can create backdoors to other processes or to the file system itself, enabling specially crafted malware to escape the sandbox."


Read more about Ubuntu Linux security features here.

Note FS Capabilities (Access Control Lists) is present in Linux.

Windows simply is not safe and the increasing volume of security issues has not abated.
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Just saying we need one.
CobraA1 29th Apr 2010
Just saying we need one. Having it on an OS that's
struggling to get any market share isn't gonna cut
it.

Although there are some third party options like
Sandboxie that are available.
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I understand, but
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate Updated - 29th Apr 2010
read this article,
http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12691-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=80205&messageID=1547164

and I would suspect there will be a common set incredulous reaction:

"How can this possibly be happening?"
"Why does my O/S allow this to happen?"
"That's it. This is the last straw"
"Time for change."

And when you read Dancho's solution. That is really is rich.

That article is one BIG flashing neon sign warning readers to 'run away from Windows as fast as you can'.

Criminals are having a hay day with it--like shooting fish in a barrel.

It is totally outrageous and unacceptable.

But, yes, Linux has a small market share. You got me there.
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Yes, and small it will stay...
aep528 29th Apr 2010
As long as people with your attitudes are
promoting it. Do you realize that whether or not
you are factually correct it is the way you word
your comments that makes people react?
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More info on using AppArmor with FireFox
LongTimeSoftwareDeveloper 3rd May 2010
Thanks Dietrich, that's an excellent setting.

The link below describes the setting, and how to
[enable|edit|disable] AppArmor's profile for
firefox:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ/#Firefox%
20AppArmor%20profile
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RE: Browser Protection: The Next Generation
Loverock Davidson Updated - 28th Apr 2010
Whether it was FaceBook itself that was the culprite and not malware doesn?t really matter.

It does matter. If it was Facebook then you are susceptible to the same exploits as you were previously, so all your days of virtualizing Microsoft Windows was for nothing.

Internet Explorer already offers a great level of security in its browser. You can use the security zones to adjust what you want the browser to do on pages. It really is customizable. Another added bonus is the content advisor that you can set up to only allow you to browse trusted websites. I'm not so sure if we need to start virtualizing the browser and slow it down given the security methods I just mentioned.
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That doesn't work
Great Kahuna 28th Apr 2010
as proved by the many attacks that successfully exploit MSIE to find their way into windows.

In fact that's happening right now all over the world.
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Virtualized Browser
Norm76 28th Apr 2010
They've had this for several years. I abandoned it quite a while back only because it hasn't been updated in a long time. http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/80 You need to have VMware player installed first - then, just create a shortcut to the vmx file and double-click. For downloading files, save to an external drive or USB key. Of course thoroughly scan any files downloaded before using them in Windows. I'd probably use it again if it was updated to Ubuntu 10.04 and Firefox 3.x with NoScript and SiteAdvisor.
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Just download a copy of WUBI
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate 28th Apr 2010
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide

No VmWare required. Install to your Windows Desktop
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thoughts
CobraA1 28th Apr 2010
"Currently, UTM with DPI is an enterprise level
solution for large businesses or SMBs. Companies
purchase it in the form of appliances, such as those
made by Sonicwall, Checkpoint, Cisco and Juniper and
they start at about $1000.00"

Humm, Astaro used to offer a software version of their
UTM for free to install on any PC, but right now it's
hidden behind a stupid request form.

A more effective solution, however, would be something
at the application level: Either in the application
itself or just below it, there would be an extra layer
of verification that ensures all XML, CSS, JavaScript,
etc is well formed and doesn't have any crazy long
strings that could trigger a buffer overflow.

One possible issue with a hardware appliance is that
the appliance is unlikely to have access to encrypted
data - and with SSL certificates being pretty easy to
get, it probably wouldn't take much for a hacker to
hide the data from a hardware router.

However - right after the data is decrypted, and
before the rest of the application sees it, there's a
chance to inspect the data. That could turn out to be
best opportunity to check the data and make sure it's
safe.
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Jason, glad you are "joining" me as a multi-platformist ... joining? Hay, weren't we both multi-platformist back when we met in 1994? Oh. Guess we were. Haw!

I learned a long time ago that people who want to believe negative things about us will choose to ignore the burning sensation in their backsides if we try to tell them their pants are on fire! But that is (ouch) their problem!
But today you tell people to "get over it".

Whats going on over there at ZDnet with all these flashy headlines but no content?

Big Hat. No Cattle!
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Contributr
Virtuozzo
jperlow 29th Apr 2010
Is just like a BSD jail or a Solaris container.
The other ones are fully isolated kernels and OS
instances specifically to run the browser running
on hypervisors.

There are different approaches to isolation. The
bottom line is whatever approach or technology
gets used to do it, it needs to get done.
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And yet I've always considered social engineering to be the biggest menace. To those who don't believe they are ever vulnerable:

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
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Each year, 2 times more vulns are discovered in Linux
kernel. Those that are not just silently fixed without
being reported as security bugs. So the actual number
is even higher!

http://www-
935.ibm.com/services/us/iss/xforce/trendreports/xforce
-2008-annual-report.pdf

According to the very same company, IBM, you
work for, Jason.

Maybe you should pop over to some of your colleagues -
real, skilled security researchers - for a chat, eh?
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Contributr
But the Linux kernel
jperlow Updated - 29th Apr 2010
Is Open Source and can be quickly corrected. Windows is not. Microsoft internally is doing all the coding in private, whereas the Linux kernel's dirty laundry is there for everyone to see. Linux vulnerabilities are patched within days, Microsoft weeks or months. So the number of vulnerabilities discovered is not the issue, its how quickly they get addressed.
So the number of vulnerabilities discovered is not the issue...

...of them. Then the goal posts shifted to "how fast". Which is another non-starter.
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No, the goal posts moved...
ubiquitous one 29th Apr 2010
...when NBMers decided to call Linux bugs "vulnerabilities" and create FUD surrounding Linux security.
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I know you know better, and how common it is to
cite high vulnerability counts to give a false
impression.

IMO a 2008 report is a bit dated as far as
security is concerned...
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Linux machines more infected than Windows?
honeymonster 28th Apr 2010
Quote: Linux machine is five times more likely to
be sending spam than any given Windows machine

Read about it here:
http://www.messagelabs.com/mlireport/MLI_2010_04_Apr_F
INAL_EN.pdf

(the latest - April 2010 - MessageLabs Intelligence
report)

Look at page 11, bottom

So how can this be? With apparmor and the super me-us-
everyone Unix 3-byte security?

To be sure, most spam is sent from Windows machines.
But compared to market share, ugh!
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Contributr
because Linux
jperlow 29th Apr 2010
runs the predominance of Internet servers, which are being used to do the spam. By spammers. As a tool, not necessarily compromised systems.

Sometimes this is an open relay issue, but that's not exactly what I would call a vulnerability, thats a sysadmin issue. And you don't exactly see many open relays anymore.
because Linux runs the predominance of Internet servers

Something the Linux fan club has emphatically denied as valid. It doesn't appear you consulted with your peers before making this statement.
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Contributr
Its not an argument
jperlow 29th Apr 2010
Its a statement of fact. What OSes do you think
all the Web 2.0 sites and the ISPs are running
on? We're not talking about enterprise servers
in IT shops. We're not talking about Windows
Client OS in this thread -- which was was the
prime focus of the article I wrote. So thanks
for derailing the discussion again. Really.

Now that you've derailed it, We're talking about
all the SMTP mail relays and IMAP servers, the
Apache servers, etc. No way in hell are they all
running IIS and Exchange. A portion of them, but
most of them are FOSS based with Linux and
FreeBSD running a huge amount of them, with
FreeBSD market share and Windows declining at
the expense of Linux.

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2010/03/01/mos
t_reliable_hosting_company_sites_in_february_201
0.html

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2006/10/07/rac
kspace_most_reliable_hoster_in_september.html

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2008/07/07/apl
usnet_is_the_most_reliable_hosting_company_site_
in_june_2008.html
The very same argument the Linux collective has dismissed wrt Windows.
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In other words, Jason...
ubiquitous one 29th Apr 2010
...ye has already made up his mind and isn't listening to you.

You either support M$ slavishly @100% or you're the enemy, even if you do happen to use multiple platforms.
Again you *should* know better and just trying
to create a false impression (you're "getting
the facts" right?)

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/19
5063/linux_machines_surprisingly_linked_to_spam.
html

ISPs use a lot of Linux in their server farms.
E-mail headers, which can show the route of an
e-mail from sender to recipient, can be spoofed,
but the last link in the chain is accurate. So
if a Windows PC on an ISP's network is spamming,
the spam would go through the ISP's Linux
servers, contributing to the high Linux spam
ratio
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Sure, ISPs offering UTM w/DPI as SaaS makes sense. It's a good place to start but it promotes a false sense of security that may, in the end, leave end users more vulnerable to different kinds of attacks. In the immortal words of comedian Ron White, "You can fix ugly, you can fix fat, you can't fix stupid." Stupid people incessantly click on things they shouldn't click on and they are bound to keep doing so.
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Contributr
Still will need to be vigilant
jperlow 29th Apr 2010
We'll still need education and training for the
end users, but these will be much more empowered
users and far better tools to deal with what is
coming our way than what is deployed now.
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I thought you already ditched Windows...
transposeIT Updated - 29th Apr 2010
Aren't you shagging with Penguins now?
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Jealous?
ubiquitous one 29th Apr 2010
Or do you want a penguin, too?

lol...
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There already is a product that does exactly what this article describes: http://commonit.com/en/technology/overview
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Just a few things...

[tounge in cheek]
That's a picture of the Star ship Voyager happy - not Enterprise, thus failing to deliver 'Next Generation' for me. Pictures, tell the whole story.
You want a $50,000 check? I'll check most things for a $50,000 cheque happy

[/tounge in cheek]

Just saying...
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Was it a Facebook attack ?
Strawberry&Sugar 21st Oct
I got into a verbal shoving match with a few Mods @ FB on October the 1st and they hacked my Photobucket account and dropped their own pictures into a folder I was linking to for FB users to see, and when I called them on that in the public forum, they hacked into my Yahoo email accounts, (2 of them) and they infected my machine with information reporting virus', 85 instances,running in a matter of 15 minutes. How do I know this you may wonder, I have log entries from my firewall with the hacked apps reporting directly to several individual Facebook IP's as well as a "blanket IP that belongs to FB !

Want to see the proof ??????

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