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Factory workers in China: A Pyrrhic victory for a world that lost its conscience

By | February 16, 2012, 12:28pm PST

Summary: I lost the Great Debate to what can be summed up as harsh statistical reality. But what does our unyielding appetite for Chinese durable goods mean for the first world conscience?

This article is an expansion of Jason Perlow’s arguments from our ZDNet Great Debate: Do Happier Chinese Workers Spell The End of Affordable Tech Gadgets?

Sometimes, you have to go into a battle with the full knowledge that you are going to lose.

According to ZDNet Editor-In-Chief Larry Dignan, our Government blogger and my long-time friend David Gewirtz won our face-off in the Great Debate solely on the statistics of pure unflinching numbers. I lost, but I took the moral high ground.

As much as I would like to believe that costs are going to increase due to the possibility of human rights conditions improving in China, the reality is that from a systemic perspective, that nation is such a long way off from improving the lives of its people to the level of a Westernized nation that it will likely take decades before we will ever see an economic impact on the supply chain.

That’s great for companies like Apple, but it sucks for the human beings that feed our thirst for electronic gadgets.

Better work conditions are only part of the variables linked to overall costs of the goods being produced. Wages, benefits and and working hours factor into do factor into the overall picture but these are more than offset by tax advantages and reduced regulatory costs imposed by the Chinese government as well as the price of energy and other raw materials that are needed to produce durable goods in that country.

One only has to look at the overall picture in China to fully understand the magnitude of the human rights problem and why it is unlikely to abate anytime soon.

The vast majority of Chinese — hundreds of millions of them — not only work in conditions that most of us would consider barbaric but their living conditions make many of the people in our own country living in near poverty look like they are living in comparative luxury.

While the big modern cities like Shenzen and Chengdu where Apple’s products are being made are growing and new cities are popping up all the time, there are still many places in China still do not have electricity and clean running water. So everything is relative.

In this debate, even though I knew there was no way I was going to win against Gewirtz’s hard numbers, I thought it was important to take the moral high ground.

Ultimately if you believe that all human beings should have the opportunity to live and eat well, and work under clean and healthy conditions and work reasonable hours, then the first world lens is the only frame of reference you can possibly have.

This is the standard that you set, and you keep that standard in mind, but you also don’t assume you can change things overnight.

The ripple effect of increased prosperity positively affects the entire community. The rising tide lifts all boats, so to speak.

So how do you improve the situation? It would require a fundamental shift in the way products are manufactured. At the end of the day, as CBS News demonstrated in its investigative report “The Dark Side of Shiny Apple Products” these consumer electronics products are being manufactured by hand using human beings.

Could you mechanize and introduce more automated manufacturing methods instead of using what basically amounts to slave labor or indentured servitude? It requires motivation.

In Japan, the country has experimented heavily with robotic assembly lines in the last 30 years (particularly in their automotive industry) because they wanted to find their way out of an energy crisis that began in the 1970s, in addition to eliminating monotonous jobs that nobody wanted to perform and improving overall output efficiency.

But Japan’s and China’s culture and socioeconomics are very different. It’s actually cheaper for final assembly in China to be done by human beings instead of robots because have such a huge supply of labor that is willing to work under such harsh conditions and for such low pay.

Regardless of working conditions, working in electronics manufacturing is so much better than doing hard manual labor in China’s infrastructure improvement projects or agricultural work, especially for the uneducated.

And as good as today’s industrial robots are, they still can’t do the type of precision manufacturing work required to do final assembly for something like an iPhone or an iPad. Even in Japan or in Korea, which are far more modernized than China in their manufacturing practices, human beings still do some of the finer work.

But even if robots are capable of doing all of the work, China’s vast and cheap labor pool isn’t going to disappear anytime soon, so there’s little incentive to replace human beings with robots. Not unless the manufacturers themselves had compelling reasons to do it, which they don’t.

So if you can’t replace human beings, what about inspections, like the type that Apple is now proposing to be done by 3rd-parties?

It’s certainly a good start but it only matters if Apple is vigilant with continuous follow-ups by the third-party auditors, and if there are actual negative consequences for the non-compliant manufacturing subcontractors.

But it remains to be seen if other major consumer electronics manufacturers who do business in China are going to be vigilant about auditing their subcontractors as well, now that the human element of Apple’s manufacturing has been placed under the microscope.

And as well-intentioned Apple may be with allowing 3rd-parties to examine their assembly lines at their subcontractors, we all know that any pre-arranged inspections are going to give Foxconn and other companies doing outsourced work considerable notice in order for the third party inspectors to see what they want to see, with no violations.

There has to be unfettered access to the facilities for repeat inspections, without any notice in order for this process to be effective at all.

Apple’s decision to allow 3rd-party inspections of its production lines in China was primarily a public relations move although it is clear, at least from internal communications that have been since made public, that executive management was incensed that the company could be perceived as uncaring.

However it remains to be seen if Apple is more concerned about the perception itself or if it wants to demonstrate legitimate compassion for the people who manufacture its wares.

There may be an interesting twist. ZDNet’s own Tom Foremski noted this week that Apple cultivating a “Think Fair” image may also be good for business and give them a competitive advantage, given the fact that their streamlined supply chain and significantly higher margins may give them some leeway for creating Fair Trade electronics whereas their competitors may face significant challenges in doing the same.

So what can be done to affect change against a seemingly unsurmountable systemic human rights problem in China?

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Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet is a technologist with over two decades of experience with integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. A long-time computer enthusiast starting the age of 13 with his first Apple ][ personal computer, he began his freelance writing career starting at ZD Sm@rt Reseller in 1996 and has since authored numerous guest columns for ZDNet Enterprise and Ziff-Davis Internet. Jason was previously Senior Technology Editor for Linux Magazine, where he wrote about Open Source issues from 1999 to 2008.

In his spare time, Jason is an avid amateur chef and food writer, where his work reviewing New Jersey restaurants has appeared in The New York Times. He is also the founder of the popular food web site eGullet and blogs about restaurants and cooking at OffTheBroiler.com.

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Apple didn't exploit
HypnoToad72 30th Apr
Foxconn did.

And you paint a broad picture, considering many Foxconn workers have - and still do - consider suicide.

And our forefathers used economic slavery to build up their livelihoods. And personal prosperity is only as good as (a) the wages put out, and (b) the person being able to capitalize on ideas before any big competition does it (and the chances of that get smaller each day, especially if they use Google, Facebook, and other entities without fully understanding the ramifications of their terms of service agreements...)

I'm a progressive in some ways and I don't subscribe to the claim that native Americans were all oh-so-innocent and living in harmony and all that (human history has shown progression over CENTURIES, and going from more barbarism to less as a whole... there was no period where a chosen group had it any better than any other, depending on condition, but it took people with morals and ethics to lay down the law for ALL to follow, instead of hollow arguments of "democracy"... otherwise we'd still have slaves and not have any civil rights movements of the 1950s-onward...)

The hope for the Chinese is that they do what US workers of the industrial age did: Stand up for their rights, not kill themselves or be party to slave- or near-slave conditions, and know that labor creates ALL wealth. Anything else is a distraction.
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What does it mean?
William Farrel 16th Feb
it means that to many, what the purchase of that shiny device adds to their lives is far more important then what it takes from the person building it.
@William Farrel -

Henry Ford wasn't perfect with some of his beliefs*, but the one saying work should be rewarded so one could afford the product being built wasn't one of them.

* e.g. during a certain war... sad
All: This is still supposed to be a tech blog, is it not?
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Nope, it's not.
JohnMcGrew@... 17th Feb
@ExEC135CrewDog, I fear that since ZDNet got absorbed by Viacon, it's become a propaganda site for the Progressives.
@ExEC135CrewDog Yes. And this is an article about the PEOPLE who MAKE the tech you use everyday, and how they suffer everyday so you can afford your smart phones and tablets (and many other things really).

If all you want is to hear about those products, feel free to stick your head in the sand and pretend these products are magically produced. Go ahead and add to the ignorance.
@William Farrel One thing that many writers seem to miss is that even if working conditions aren't ideal, they are probably well above the standards of most of the workplaces in China. The people have jobs, they eat, then manage to support themselves, and likely their entire family. So if we take away their jobs, what do they do then? Only 100 years ago, working conditions in this country (US) weren't very good, and as conditions improved, prices rose, and many US workers are not out of a job, simply because at some level, making a product no one can afford just isn't something a business can do.
It's more than a question of ethics, or morals, it is a question of survival, and maintaining a system that must feed 6 billion people worldwide.
@rphunter42

I guess Jason believes that the people that work in the factory are incapable of making their own decisions on how to live their lives.
@rphunter42 I totally agree. I was thinking along the same lines. In many cases, except child labor, it's not a human rights issue. It's partly the very standards that the U.S. workers demanded (through unions and so on) that actually drove such manufacturing out of the U.S. For thousands of years, the working conditions of most human beings didn't even come close to the standards that the U.S. workers in the last 100 years wanted.
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...that "shiny new device", exactly what would they be doing instead? How is it that you can assume that they'd be better off not working in that factory?
@JohnMcGrew@...
working elsewhere. I'm just saying that even if they would be better off working someplace else instead of Foxconn (ect) the buying public really doesn't give a darn.
They want their shiny objects, and if others have to suffer for it, so what.

It's the way of the world, sadly.
@JohnMcGrew@... [...that "shiny new device", exactly what would they be doing instead? How is it that you can assume that they'd be better off not working in that factory?]

I'm more concerned with why we are dealing with a communist country that would be pleased to drain us dry financially off the backs of what amounts to slave labor. So why do you support communism?
@William Farrel No, that is not what it means. Not even close. For we purchasers are not the ones who decided that it had to be made by slave labor, nor did we set the price. Those bad decisions are made by a network of people so loosely distributed, it is easy for most of them to avoid the microscope of blame Apple is now under.

Indeed: you and Jason Perlow are both confusing 'cause' in its general sense, especially as deduced by the law of economics, and 'blame' in a vague ethical sense.
A few years ago the state of Maryland passed a law requiring employers with more than a certain number of employees to offer health insurance. This law came to be known as the Walmart law because the giant retailer was the only employer of that size in the state that did not offer health insurance to its employees (the largest employer in the state is Johns Hopkins University, and you *know* they offer health insurance to their employees). Now, as a lefty I thought this law was a great idea. But I recall listening in to a call radio show once and hearing people up in arms about it. One particular caller I remember practically shoted into the phone: "So I gotta pay MORE at walmart to some stocker can have health insurance!!!" He was incensed. I could only shake my head in disgust. Is this what we've come to in this country that we scream bloody murder at the thought of paying 10 cents more for our Wheaties so that a fellow human being can pay for medical treatment without going bankrupt?

It's all so very depressing.
@dsf3g
As a righty, that disgusts me just as much as it does you. Which is why I refuse to go there and as much a possible, I avoid buying these goods. I've even debated about this with other conservatives about how in the long run this undermines our beliefs. I cringe at times because no matter how hard I try, there's just way too many good made in china. I've thought how many times to myself that I can still be a capitalist with a conscience.
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happyharry_z 17th Feb
@dsf3g It's almost humorous that it's a capitalist's incensed sense of self that drives a communist country's economic engine. Two sides of the same coin really: they both want something for free.
@dsf3g

Ah if it was only 10 cents more....then perhaps we would be manufacturing here in the US. It is obvious that you do not understand the economics of the decisions to manufacture overseas. We as western consumers demand our cheap electronics - unfortunately our hypocritical demand for the latest shiny toy at a reasonable price means some one is exploited to provide it to us. If you want a clean conscience start a petition and demand that Apple bring manufacturing back to the US and agree to pay the increased prices. Otherwise, there is really nothing more to be said - unless you decide that it is better for your soul not to consume any longer.
@Kill-the-hype And that would help the Chinese worker how?
find the most expensive contractor you can so you can do your part to ensure people have a living wage, right? Oh. Wait. You don't. Instead, you get the government to force people to live the way you think they should so you can pat yourself on the back at how noble you are without actually having to get off your a$$ and do anything about it.
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Cheapest is not necessarilly the best
Patanjali Updated - 18th Feb
@baggins_z
We expect those who look after our wellbeing to be the cheapest in our societies -- police, nurses, firepeople, etc -- but somehow think that that is enough for them to strive to do their utmost. I am not surprised at corruption amongst police. It is the outcome of our cheapskate, self-centred mentaility.

If a person gets less than they think they are worth, they will take shortcuts and produce substandard goods. Give them slightly more, and they will put extra effort into improving the quality of what they make.

However, the first world's sense of superiority drove it to colonise other parts of the world to exploit its peoples and resources. The USA came into being because it bucked that idea, but has since become one of the greatest exploiters.

China is letting its citizens become more affluent, mostly in the zones around Hong Kong and the cities, but is desperately trying to stiffle political and aspirational independance. If the latter is not allowed by extreme force, we will see freedom achieved by violence. Otherwise, it will sort of come by the 'old guard' being replaced by those with less ideological dogmatism.

The problem with the people in China, India and Russia is that they have been under oppressive regimes for centuries and have largely come to have psychologically accepted that as a way of life. Until that self-imposed limitation is removed, they will find it hard to accept that they have the ability to change their circumstances.
@dsf3g I hear a lot of complaining about worker conditions, I'm reading about how disgusted some of you are. Please keep in mind China and the Chinese government created the manufacturing environment. They wanted to steal American jobs and American technology by offering cheap labor, an unlimited supply of factory workers, no unions that force companies to pay someone $50 an hour (plus lucrative health and other benefits) to screw in a door panel, extremely relaxed environmental rules and regulations, and minimal tax burdens. This is why US companies took their jobs out of the United States.

I don't think that Apple, Dell, HP or any other American company should force Foxcomm to improve conditions or pay their workers more. Let China deal with it. In the early 1900's when American workers became disgruntled and fed up they started unions, and employer/employee laws were created. No one from another country meddled in our internal affairs or forced US companies to improve work conditions. Let China figure it out on their own.

Let's be frank the Chinese government is not our ally nor do they care about Americans, fair trade, intellectual property rights and many other things we do. So forgive me if I don't give a crap about what goes on in China. Our elected official don't have the courage or will to do anything about the unfair trade practices with China. All our government keeps doing is borrowing money from China to pay for their unsacible appetite for spending.
@Masari.Jones Yes, the Chinese government and party wanted to do all these things. But they could not have done it without the collaboration of American 'leaders' in both government and industry, who have allowed China into the WTO even though they still show no interest in abiding by the rules of the WTO. Nor does it help that mealy-mouthed politicians give lip-service to "free market" principles, insisting on "free trade" even when it it detrimental to all involved.

Despite what some politicians still claim, it was never true that free trade is unconditionally better than other trade. On the contrary: ever since Keynes first pointed it out in 1933, insightful, responsible politicians have admitted that the Mercantilists had a point: there really ARE times when you need tariffs and similar restrictions for the good of the country, at times, even for all countries involved in the trade.

In the case of this issue, if we slapped punitive tariffs on imports from countries with no effective workers rights, factory managers would have far less incentive to abuse their workers so much.
@dsf3g Just because they are paid 10 cents more doesn't mean you will pay 10 cents more.
@dsf3g
You realise that most of Walmarts products are imported from China?
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Missing the main point
Robert Crocker 16th Feb
Developing countries simply cannot afford the worker protections that we are busy patting ourselves on the back for.

If we were to remove all of our production from any country that doesn't live up to our standards of human rights/workers rights then either other countries will fill the vacuum with their own production requirements or the country will simply regress back to an agrarian base.

It's all well and good that we wring our hands and ask "how can things be better?" We just have to keep in mind that each country has to climb up the ladder from third to first world and can't simply jump rungs since we feel bad about it.
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Sarcasm: In other words...
John L. Ries Updated - 17th Feb
@Robert Crocker
...worker protections and so-called "human rights" are luxuries that we really don't need in the first world either and might be better off without.

After all, those too weak to protect their own interests deserve what they get.

Here's a clue: A right is a moral entitlement, not just a legal one. If worker protections are expendible in China then they're not rights and are expendible in the U.S.A as well.

Reply to gtdworak:

Take another look at the subject line. I've never made any secret of my contempt for Randianism.

Reply to Crocker:

Two questions:

1. Should we do away with our own protections to make us more competitive with the third world? Are our air and water too clean and our workers too healthy?
2. Is it proper for consumers to make buying decisions based on how the merchandise was produced, or is the bottom line all that should matter?

My concern is that by encouraging bad working conditions overseas with our dollars, we encourage those same conditions here at home.

Reply to sam:

So what we need is an austerity program. Can you name any countries where one has been successful?

I agree that we need to get our fiscal house in order. The challenge is doing so without plunging the country into a major depression or giving lots of ammunition to "populist" demagogues. Bad things happen when people are desperate.

Please note that claims that my concerns are misplaced do nothing to address them. There may be greater ones, but that doesn't mean that the issue at hand should be off the table.
@John L. Ries -

Don't worry. One day you'll be in the same predicament, and there's an old saying... "Do unto others the way you want to be treated." Well, you've done so wait until you're treated in return.
@John L. Ries
Actually, a right is something that is intrinsic to you and you can exercise. Free Speech, Freedom of Association, etc.

I'm not trying to address the moral aspect of workers rights here but just the pragmatic economic aspect/impact of those rights on developing countries.

I see that you completely failed to address the point of my post in that what we call workers rights are in fact luxuries that we are able to grant to our workers here in the US.

Now, we can work to try to improve the conditions of people working in other countries but we cannot be naive and simply say "they should treat their workers exactly how we treat ours". The simple economic fact is that they can't afford too. In a country that is still struggling with wide-spread abject poverty any major increase in costs will simply decrease the number of workers employed. (Look at the jobs that have left China in other categories where they are now no longer the low cost supplier.)
@John L. Ries

Do you know what you can do with that Ayn Rand BS? People like you and Ron Paul make me sick.
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@John L. Ries I think your concerns are misplaced. What will reduce our standard of living is high government spending on war making and maintaining our empire of dominance. There is also the matter of the demographic curve crashing into entitlement programs.
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Follow the money
Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate 16th Feb
There is no rising tide in America. The riverbed is dry.

Go to Wal-Mart, buy a good made in China. The dollar spent goes to Wal-Mart who in turn pay an Accounts Payable Vendor invoice. The dollar converts to a Yuan that is taken by the manufacturer to defray the overhead expense and including paying an employee who in turn spends that dollar in his/her economy, NOT OURS.

The trade deficit is hemorrhaging our Country.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate
So, you hate the Chinese people and would rather pad an overpaid Union bosses retirement account while a poor Chinese peasant is forced out of an industrial city so his family can starve? But, Linux is "free" at least...
@bob@...
Linux was in no way associated with with the topic, until removed said comments are null/void.

Re-send comment. Thank you for your comments.
@bob@...

Wages haven't kept up with inflation - for anybody - in a long time.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704530204576237081117462892.html

So, who is overpaid? It's not the workers...

And Linux isn't free. People donated their time, driving down their own pay in the process, just so other companies could mooch off of it as well.
@bob@... Two things stood out. Gov't Regulation's heavy handedness and Unions. You remove those two things and offerer minimal health insurance it would be interesting. Take "most" unions out of the picture and it would be interesting to see what the Human Capitol costs go down to... We still need unions but only in certain areas - like airline pilots etc. I work in a heavy auto manu town and the stories I hear from union guys themselves. Example inspector in a pit. Ford was "required" to put cable TV in the pit - excuse me! - that was separately verified. TV... amazing.
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@bob@... What about Linux isn't free?

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@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate -

As is corporate welfare, for companies that have huge profits but take it despite not needing it:

http://greatdivide.typepad.com/across_the_great_divide/2009/06/walmart-workers-on-welfare-lets-look-for-the-spin.html
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Tell you what
baggins_z 17th Feb
you can decide what a fair corporate profit is, when you let me decide what your takehome pay should be, and how much house is enough for you, and how much car is enough for you, and how much T.V. you need, and what kind of food you should be allowed to buy.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate

You should learn some economics before making such ill informed pronouncements.
Thank you for this great article, Jason. The more we learn, the more helpless and angry we seem to feel about this. The headline alone is heartbreaking. But it's a snapshot of the situation. Bravo.
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Robots?
oncall Updated - 16th Feb
Well I guess it would be better for us to have robots assembling out electronic gadgets as we wouldn't have to concern ourselves with what happened to the hundreds of thousands of assembly line workers. I assume they will move on to much higher paying jobs elsewhere? Personally, I really don't mind that the $34 portable CD player I bought yesterday might have kept someone employed somewhere.
@oncall
You beat me to it. The mind boggles

@Jason Perlow
"Could you mechanize and introduce more automated manufacturing methods instead of using what basically amounts to slave labor or indentured servitude?"

There is so much wrong with what you are saying (see the above comment by oncal). As for slave labor and indentured servitude, are you saying the electronics companies only provide board and lodgings to the workers in these factories? I doubt it. I would think they are being paid a wage, albeit lower than most 1st World countries, that is inline with the living costs in China. Their working conditions are problably of a lower standard than most 1st World countries, but would be inline with Chinese standards. How do you fix that? The electronics companies monitoring the and slowly improving things is a good start. It takes time to move a monolith like China. How don't you fix the problem? You don't fix it by automating and and employing less people. The lines of people looking for jobs at Foxxcon show that people need job, not giving them one would not help them one bit. Remember that there is little welfare in China.
@A Grain of Salt -

Very true.

The mind boggles...
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@oncall
...that would reduce their employers' bargaining power. Labor costs tend to be a lot lower when one's current employment is the best that can be hoped for.

Reply to oncall:

So what we really need to do to be competitive is:

1. Reduce the average wage by half.
2. Increase the average workday by 1.5.
3. Eliminate any and all occupational safety mandates.
4. Repeal the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts.
5. Outlaw conspiracies by workers against their employers.
6. Outlaw consumer boycotts.
7. Increase the poverty rate to at least 75%.

Looks like a plan to me.

It strikes me that those who are eager to defend third world employment practices prefer them to what we have in the first world (as long as they're in no danger of being subjected to them), just as those who defend authoritarian governments abroad speak volumes about the sorts of governments they'd like at home.

Reply to oncall:

I wasn't intending to make a strawman argument. Rather, I was being a touch sarcastic. But if you could explain what your real position is and why we shouldn't care where our consumer goods come from and how they were made, it would help. As an added bonus, maybe you could tell us whether our efforts to take advantage of cheap labor overseas are likely to degrade our quality of life here at home. You could also let me know whether my perception of those who defend third world working conditions and foreign dictatorships is correct (ie. they're so fond of them, they'd like to bring them home).

Personally, I deliberately favor local businesses over out of town ones in order to help my neighbors keep their jobs; the economy where I live is depressed enough as it is. What's worse is I discriminate against large corporations in favor of small businesses.
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oncall 16th Feb
@John L. Ries

Obviously, did I really need to put /sarcasm in my original post? At least you seem to realize that Foxconn jobs are "the best that can be hoped for".

See, I'm with Davewrite below, American's really have no concept of poverty or hunger. So we sit on our duffs making rediculous proclamations like "Well, all the Chinese need are better paying jobs and better working conditions." REALLY? And just how would you propose we, a rather wealthy country of 300+ million, deliver those goods to the remaining 6+ BILLION people living on this planet. OH, so WE are going to pay more for goods made in China, how about everyone else? How the F--- is everyone else going to be able to pay for the fact the the US decreed that every piece of goods on the planet now will cost more because WE were feeling guilty about it.

And make no mistake about it, this is not about US feeling guilty, this is about US feeling scared that people around the world are willing to bust their behinds working for pennies compared to what a US worker would demand.
@John L. Ries -

Agreed.

Those defending Foxconn and others should really live the life they don't mind others having.

Then they might get a clue... maybe...
@oncall -

Well, if they are willing, why are they having to attend forced parades/rallies and jumping off buildings to kill themselves?

ZDnet here has posted many articles on those situations, so do some research - don't be lazy, I can't spoon-feed every article to everyone all the time.
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@oncall
baggins_z 17th Feb
It's not even about the U.S. feeling guilty. It's about a few well-to-do liberals who feel guilty, because down deep, they don't think their incomes are truly justifiable. I mean, after all, what does Perlow really do to earn his living? He sits in front of a computer screen and types on a keyboard.
@oncall -

you won't mind.

Until the same paradigm destroys your job and wage.

Because you choose to be insensitive, means people will be insensitive to you in return - and it will be completely deserved.
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Apple didn't exploit
HypnoToad72 30th Apr
Foxconn did.

And you paint a broad picture, considering many Foxconn workers have - and still do - consider suicide.

And our forefathers used economic slavery to build up their livelihoods. And personal prosperity is only as good as (a) the wages put out, and (b) the person being able to capitalize on ideas before any big competition does it (and the chances of that get smaller each day, especially if they use Google, Facebook, and other entities without fully understanding the ramifications of their terms of service agreements...)

I'm a progressive in some ways and I don't subscribe to the claim that native Americans were all oh-so-innocent and living in harmony and all that (human history has shown progression over CENTURIES, and going from more barbarism to less as a whole... there was no period where a chosen group had it any better than any other, depending on condition, but it took people with morals and ethics to lay down the law for ALL to follow, instead of hollow arguments of "democracy"... otherwise we'd still have slaves and not have any civil rights movements of the 1950s-onward...)

The hope for the Chinese is that they do what US workers of the industrial age did: Stand up for their rights, not kill themselves or be party to slave- or near-slave conditions, and know that labor creates ALL wealth. Anything else is a distraction.

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