Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
Summary: The concept behind a unified login and cloud integration is sound, but not with a limited desktop OS.
For about six months, Google's Chromebooks have been available in the retail channel. And compared to sales of tablets, they've been essentially a dud in the marketplace.
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Personally, I've had mixed results with Chrome OS. On one hand, I've found the software pretty resilient and maintenance free. After I was done beta testing the CR-48 myself, I gave it to my mother-in-law. She LOVES the thing.
As in, I haven't had a single major technical support issue with her using it as her primary laptop. And believe me, she uses it a lot, for access to her Real Estate MLS to word processing with Google Docs and of course regular web browsing and email.
On the other hand, what Chrome OS is actually able to provide the user today is limited compared to a general purpose desktop OS.
In earlier pieces I have advocated the use of thin computing devices that were primarily cloud terminals.
Eventually, I see us getting there, but not until high-speed bandwidth is pretty ubiquitous and we've made a transition off the x86 platform for most end-users and onto ARM and other embedded SoCs. That's a sea change event that is going to take probably ten years.
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The problem is, Chrome OS doesn't have ten years to take off. And Android is already pretty much the only embedded platform other than the Chrome browser itself that Google can effectively concentrate on for the time being and keep developer attention with.
My suggestion is that Google takes a lemon with Chrome OS and makes lemonade. The technology behind Chrome OS is sound, but nobody wants to buy an overpriced netbook now when they can buy an iPad or an Android Tablet instead. If they had cost $100-$150 nobody would be complaining.
The problem is that even that with the holiday price cut, they are still $299. That's nuts.
So what do you with Chrome OS? Well, I think we have to think of it more generically in terms of a cloud authentication framework that is coupled with a high-security, "jailed" or virtualized tamper-free web browser that would replicate the core functionality of Chrome OS.
To me, the real value play of Chrome OS is not so much the operating system itself, but the unified Google login and how it integrates with the browser and Google's services. But really, Google could make this work with any operating system -- Windows, Mac, or any version of Linux.
Heck, they could even put this in WebOS via an open source contribution.
Unified cloud logins are coming to Windows anyway. If you've played with the Windows 8 developer preview, you know that you have the option of logging in via local authentication, Active Directory, or Microsoft Live.
I don't see Microsoft Live being able to effectively monopolize cloud logins on Windows.
If we know anything about the EU and how Microsoft tried to force Internet Explorer down their throats and what a headache that caused for them, then I think that Microsoft would be amenable to users installing a "Google Browser and Authentication Pack" for Windows, which could be marketed as "Chrome OS for Windows".
Essentially, Chrome OS would be deconstructed as an OS-agnostic pluggable authentication mechanism plus a hardened browser/app platform.
Similarly, I could see a "Chrome OS for Mac" being offered for download as well. Apple could certainly try to require Mac users use iCloud as the sole cloud authentication mechanism at some time in the future, but I don't see that flying very well with Europe either.
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It's a failure of HTML5
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
Silverlight and Flash aren't dead yet, and given how one side says "Flash is bloated", one can easily say "Smartphones and tablets are underpowered" (which won't help Apple, given they are not known for "power without the price" to begin with...)
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
I gotta be honest, I'm not even quite sure what you're advocating here. Doesn't logging into Google already give you a unified login for Docs, Gmail, YouTube, etc? I'm not sure what adding a Chrome Browser with unified Google login does that IE pointed to www.google.com doesn't already do? Maybe I'm just missing the point.
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
What would be the purpose? How would your OS change? I can use my gmail account as my live id and login the same (For Windows 8). I don't get what you are trying to accomplish on the OS side. If you are saying that because you can authenticate with google, your OS does something different and you just use Chrome? I'm with swmace on this one.
If you are just talking about logging in with your google authentication, I don't see how that makes it any better than just regularly logging in (for Windows 8 at least) and using Chrome...Windows 8 saves all of your passwords and all of that stuff so once you login with your Live ID (which can use your google email) all the stuff that you use will be logged in.
Now if you're talking about changing the OS around because you used a google authentication, then, no, it's not going to happen.
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
Problem isn't that it doesn't exist. Problem is that nobody uses it. Only Microsoft and Xmarks use it on my system.
Agree with zwmace and zedox
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
Our experience with 2 Chomebooks
had our testers pulling their Windows (and MacBooks) out of their closets every other day as the Chromebooks were quite lacking in too many features and capabilities.
:|
Agree as a pc device...
Does work well as an instant-on internet connection for central household use.
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
I am planning on purchasing a Chromebook next month at a price that is more "soup" than "nuts". Next time, speak for yourself and avoid using the word "We". I think I - and others - can speak for ourselves.
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
I don't. There's a reason we're not using dumb terminals anymore. They're dunb.
Not to mention all it is is a browser - which every computer and device already has. Why buy something that does less than everything else out there?
There are zero advantages to such a device. They couldn't even sell it at a low price, which would be its only selling point.
"The technology behind Chrome OS is sound"
There is no technology in Chrome OS. Not anything you can't get with everything else.
"To me, the real value play of Chrome OS is not so much the operating system itself, but the unified Google login and how it integrates with the browser and Google???s services."
Except they're already doing that - when you log into any of Google's services, you log into all of them. And oh, yeah, Microsoft does the same. Don't need to buy a whole ChromeOS machine to get that benefit.
And if you're talking about OS level integration, Microsoft has had that long before Google did. They have APIs to attach the OS login to an app login.
In Windows 7:
Control Panel\User Accounts and Family Safety\Credential Manager
Interestingly enough, I have a Windows Live token hanging around in there. Probably to maintain the logins for the Windows Live products I use, like Windows Live Photo Gallery.
So yeah, Google really is late to the game here. Even the OS level authentication is late to the game. There is no technology in Chrome OS that nobody else has.
What I think is REALLY interesting is things like Mozilla's Browser ID, which identifies not just across a single website, but across the entire internet (or at least everybody who is accepting Browser ID logins).
"Essentially, Chrome OS is deconstructed as an OS-agnostic pluggable authentication mechanism plus a hardened browser/app platform."
Except that it's not. It's specific to Google. Who else used it?
Unified authentication would be a nice thing.
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
That's useless because it won't log you into Google or other cloud services. What is required is a server box in the office that will accept Google's two stage authentication to get you into your Windows systems as well.
RE: Google: We don't need Chrome OS, we want cloud login for PCs
Works fine here. Enable browser cookies.
"What is required is a server box . . ."
. . . which is not what ChromeOS was really designed for.
". . . to get you into your Windows systems as well."
. . . why? Why should the Google login get you into Windows, rather than the Windows login getting you into Google? Does it really matter what the first login is?
As we have seen, Google is quite adept at dirty tricks themselves
and are inventing new dirty tricks everyday. Why would Google be pushing this if not for their own benefit, as what they are asking to do has been availiable from others for quite some time.
And on what grounds does Google have to where they can litigate something into a competing product?