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I bought a Mac. So sue me.

By | March 24, 2011, 2:18pm PDT

Summary: Yeah, I know what I said.

Yeah, I know what I said. So sue me.

Sigh.

Yeah, remember this article I wrote back in 2009? I think this is the money shot, right here:

So why won’t I own a Mac? Well, for starters, I’m a systems integration expert by profession — as in what I do that pays my day to day bills –- and the systems that I work with and architect are based on Windows as well as Mid-range/Enterprise platforms like Linux, VMWare, UNIX and mainframes.

The Mac, for all its Insane Greatness and cool factor, as well as having all the DNA to make it an enterprise platform, doesn’t get a lot of traction in large enterprises, so there isn’t a lot of motivation for me to own a system which has no bearing on stuff that I work with to make a living. Additionally, most of the off-the-shelf tools which I work with that I need to do my job -– Microsoft Office, Visio and Microsoft Project are all Windows applications.  Indeed, you can get Office for Mac, and you can even dual boot a Mac into Windows, but what would be the point? Why not just buy a PC?

Why would I incur a large personal expense on a Mac for home use when my laptop is corporate managed and issued to me as a company asset, and when all our line of business systems are Web and Java-based? If anything, I want my personal assets to be compatible with what I work with. And if I am going to use an alternative platform to Windows as either a desktop or a server, I’ll use Linux, because it has a huge library of Open Source software. Mac can use Open Source software too, but why bother if I can buy a commodity PC which I can purchase for a fraction of the cost?

Well, times have changed. Since 2009, I’ve softened up on Apple a teensy weensy bit. I’ve purchased two iPads. I also started listening to the Angry Mac Bastards (one of which, Peter Cohen, we recently hired as our new Gamification columnist) which I will now blame for causing me permanent brain damage, should this blog deteriorate any further over the next weeks and months.

On Tech Broiler, I began to follow the Apple space a bit more, particularly as it relates to iOS applications and using the devices in the enterprise. And I noticed that as I got more and more into advanced digital photography and doing videos for my food blog, there were a bunch of applications that I really wished I could run on my Linux-based and Windows 7 systems and could not.

Two of those are Aperture 3 and iMovie. Both of which are Mac-only. And while Adobe’s Creative Suite 5 runs on Windows, I want to use the Mac version.

Now, I consider myself to be a practical person. I wasn’t going to spend top dollar on a new Mac, like my buddy Scott Raymond, who bought a brand new Air so he could run Windows 7 on it. Let some other idiot go through the depreciation. I don’t need to be that cutting edge for a system I’m mostly intending to use for specific photo and video editing apps.

Well, and iTunes, because the version for Windows should be brought to the shed.

So I looked at the prices for used systems at Apple’s store. They were decent. I mulled it over for a few days to make sure I hadn’t completely lost my mind. Then I got this… email.

It was from a very large, reputable vendor that sells refurbished computer systems. And they were willing to give me a corporate discount. Usually, they only sell PCs. Specifically, ThinkPads. But it just so happened they got a whole crop of 2007/2008 15″ aluminum chassis MacBook Pros in, for a really insanely low price. They were even willing to throw in a 1-year warranty for a slight premium.

Now, I had to bump the RAM, since the used laptop only comes with 2GB, but that was easily rectified by picking up a 6GB upgrade for $124 from the folks at Macsales.com. After all was said and done, with taxes and the extra warranty, I was able to join the bliss of the Reality Distortion Field for $982.00.

In a couple of days, the MacBook Pro will be in my hands. I’ve even gone through the trouble of cleaning off a dedicated area for it on my desk which used to have piles of papers and unidentifiable clutter, some of which I discovered were from the previous decade.

So maybe I’ll never buy a new Mac. Check back with me in another two years. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going see if they have mock black turtlenecks in my size.

Did you too finally give into the Reality Distortion Field? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

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Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet is a technologist with over two decades of experience with integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. A long-time computer enthusiast starting the age of 13 with his first Apple ][ personal computer, he began his freelance writing career starting at ZD Sm@rt Reseller in 1996 and has since authored numerous guest columns for ZDNet Enterprise and Ziff-Davis Internet. Jason was previously Senior Technology Editor for Linux Magazine, where he wrote about Open Source issues from 1999 to 2008.

In his spare time, Jason is an avid amateur chef and food writer, where his work reviewing New Jersey restaurants has appeared in The New York Times. He is also the founder of the popular food web site eGullet and blogs about restaurants and cooking at OffTheBroiler.com.

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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
flargh 24th Mar 2011
Oh, don't bring me into this, Perlow. You brought this on yourself! happy
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Nice to watch them maturing
Richard Flude 24th Mar 2011
Yet another sign of the decline of MS, even their fanboys are jumping ship:-)
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Wow. There had to be a first one
John Zern Updated - 24th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude
Why am I not surprised it was you?
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Poor John
Richard Flude 24th Mar 2011
As I sit in my office amongst my Apple (Mac OS X), IBM (RHEL) and Cisco gear I wonder what it must be like for John who's MSCE qualification is so poorly valued that they must worry about the price of a computer they use 60+ hours a week.

Fortunately their lack of experience allows them to believe their Dell is of the same quality, as they reach for their windows install disk to re-image their machine to reverse declining performance.
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YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!
edtimes 24th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude
Haha, that was perfect! I love it when we Mac users deride Windows users. I really do see it as our duty to make Windows users feel bad about their choice of OS and in that post, you nailed it Richard, you really nailed it. Great job!
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Richard, just want to check something with you...
dazzlingd Updated - 25th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude
"As I sit in my office amongst my Apple (Mac OS X), IBM (RHEL) and Cisco gear I wonder what it must be like for John who's MSCE qualification is so poorly valued that they must worry about the price of a computer they use 60+ hours a week."

What type of IBM are you looking at? They haven't made PC's for about 4 years now. Is the IBM big, larger than an old VCR? And have two or three flashing lights?

And the Cisco gear. Does it have lots of flashing green and yellow lights too? Do a load of cables connect to it?

I don't want to worry you but I think your Manager, who might just possibly be an MCSE is having a little joke with you...

Your "office" is either a wiring closet or a store room.

Sorry to break it to you.

Perhaps when you get a big boy's certification like a CCNA or MCP then they might find you a cube.

Well, I guess at least it's cool in there...
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
bobiroc 25th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude

Jason a Microsoft Fanboy? I think not. He is a ZDNet Clickjacker. Just writes heated blogs to generate comments and arguments.
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
MLHACK 25th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude

I fail to see any fanboy comments here Jason merely stated this

I?m a systems integration expert by profession ? as in what I do that pays my day to day bills ?- and the systems that I work with and architect are based on Windows as well as Mid-range/Enterprise platforms like Linux, VMWare, UNIX and mainframes.

which does not make him a fanboy due to this

The Mac, for all its Insane Greatness and cool factor, as well as having all the DNA to make it an enterprise platform, doesn?t get a lot of traction in large enterprises, so there isn?t a lot of motivation for me to own a system which has no bearing on stuff that I work with to make a living. Additionally, most of the off-the-shelf tools which I work with that I need to do my job -? Microsoft Office, Visio and Microsoft Project are all Windows applications. Indeed, you can get Office for Mac, and you can even dual boot a Mac into Windows, but what would be the point? Why not just buy a PC?

I think you really need to read the article before you make dumb $ss statements on them
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
bsvee 25th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude Declining performance is the number one reason I prefer my Mac to my PC. Even though the specs on my PC are better than my Mac, Windows rot will eventually force me to throw away a weekend reinstalling the OS to clean things up. Performance on my Mac hasn't declined one bit since 2006 and it's never been reimaged.
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@bsvee: Even though the specs on my PC are better than my Mac, Windows rot will eventually force me to throw away a weekend reinstalling the OS to clean things up.

Windows rot doesn't exist.
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
mgaul 25th Mar 2011
@MLHACK

Funny, I was thinking the same thing.
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Yes it does
LTV10 Updated - 25th Mar 2011
@ye, time to give up the fanbui denial

http://www.google.com/search?q=XP+%22Windows+rot%22&hl=en&num=100&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs=

Of course the typical Redmond fanbui excuse is "operator error". It's ALWAYS operator error.
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Proves nothing.
ye 25th Mar 2011
@LTV10: I fully acknowledge there are a lot of stupid people out there who have written volumes of information about Windows rot. That doesn't prove it actually exists.

Oh, and why did you search on XP? You are aware Microsoft has released two versions of Windows since then are you not?
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
sammybaby 25th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude

Perlow, an MS fanboy? Yeah, okay.
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RE: Proves Nothing
bobiroc 25th Mar 2011
@Ye

Proves nothing is right. The term Windows Rot came about primarily by people falsely blaming poor computer performance on Windows neglecting the fact that they had their hard drive 90% full, some sort of malware infection, tons of stupid add ons like toolbars or adware ridden free games. Before Vista and Windows 7 the computers I managed at work with XP or even my family's computers never suffered from Windows ROT or performance issues without some underlying problem like those mentioned above.

This is no different than people ignorantly blaming every BSOD on Windows when the evidence shows that 95%+ of the time it can be proven that it was some sort of failure of hardware, driver, or 3rd party software that caused it.
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Windows Rot.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 25th Mar 2011
For anyone to state that Windows Rot doesn't exist is either delusional or being untruthful. In the first place, Windows NTFS filesystems fragment which contributes to Windows Rot. All the way through XP, there was no automated process to defragment. I have seen Windows XP computers where the fragmentation is so bad the entire disk shows red on the analyser and it takes 3-5 hours for the first defrag to complete, then about an hour for the second because it was so incredibly fragmented.

Registry Errors.
http://www.instant-registry-fixes.org/what-causes-a-registry-error/
Normally, an entry or key when no longer used?after you uninstall an application or close a program?are deleted automatically from the registry. However, at times some of these keys are either left behind and leave vacant spaces or registry holes. Over time, a large number of obsolete, redundant, and invalid entries and registry holes accumulate within the registry causing it to grow at an unwarranted rate. Eventually damaging, corrupting, and fragmenting the registry.

Hence you find LOTS of "registry cleaners" out there in the marketplace. However, as CORRECTLY stated, from time to time, unless you want to roll the dice with a registry cleaner, a FRESH INSTALL is always a good way to get rid of this element of Windows Rot.

I could keep going but I suspect that several will say these problems are "entirely illusional", redefine Rot to NOT include these or the old standy "I have never had that problem so it doesn't exist" type arguments.

TripleII
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
tkejlboom 25th Mar 2011
@Triple II

Actually, you could automate disk de-fragmentation in XP. It just wasn't a completely opaque system process that you had to kill if you tried to plug in an SSD before Windows 7, which at least with proper firmware, will automagically disable disk fragmentation and use TRIM instead.

Your registry reference is worthy of debate. On the one hand, the REGISTRY worked fine. It was poor coding by 3rd party developers that mucked it up. The criticism would be as design flaw. However, I've addressed complaints about performance on Macs because the users never figured out that they had to move the application from the disk image to their applications folder, and were remounting the non-persistent image every time they opened the app.

The people that can claim, and there are many of them, that their 10 year old installation of XP works just fine have a perfectly valid argument. The "rot" is not intrinsic to Windows except in regards to the fact that you're free to pollute your Windows environment.
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@TripleII: For anyone to state that Windows Rot doesn't exist is either delusional or being untruthful.

I guess some of us don't fall for the FUD like you.

I could keep going but I suspect that several will say these problems are "entirely illusional", redefine Rot to NOT include these or the old standy "I have never had that problem so it doesn't exist" type arguments.

You could but repetition won't make it true.
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
spacespeed 25th Mar 2011
@Triple II

Other file systems have disk fragmentation issues as well. Fragmentation isn't unique to NTFS systems.

Also, the registry was a fine idea in the first place. It was more or less that software developers forget to clean up after themselves during the uninstall process. This causes most of the issues with the registry.

Properly maintained, a Windows machine can run just as well as any other. Improperly maintained, another OS can run just as poorly as a system with "Windows rot".
@spacespeed: People like TripleII lack the ability to distinguish between the manner in which something is stored and what is being stored. They often attribute erroneous data contained within the registry as a failing of the registry itself. If there's invalid data in the registry it's because something put that invalid data there. It's not because of the registry. The data would be no more valid if it were stored in plain text files.
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I do hate lack of nesting.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 25th Mar 2011
Ye, you make it too easy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Registry
The Windows Registry is a hierarchical database that stores configuration settings and options on Microsoft Windows operating systems. It contains settings for low-level operating system components as well as the applications running on the platform: the kernel, device drivers, services, SAM, user interface and third party applications all make use of the Registry. The registry also provides a means to access counters for profiling system performance.

I am well aware of what it is. It is, essentially, everything the operating system needs to know in order to be able to run. Now, take this database and from my original post...

Normally, an entry or key when no longer used?after you uninstall an application or close a program?are deleted automatically from the registry. However, at times some of these keys are either left behind and leave vacant spaces or registry holes. Over time, a large number of obsolete, redundant, and invalid entries and registry holes accumulate within the registry causing it to grow at an unwarranted rate. Eventually damaging, corrupting, and fragmenting the registry.

And you have a system that is getting slower, less stable and error prone. So, since the registry is a database, the system uses that database to know how to run and that database becomes corrupt over time with errors, holes, redundancies, it is obviously USER ERROR and doesn't exist as a problem.

Now, on other filesystems fragmenting, it is true, but they are self healing, unlike NTFS. On how registry errors creek in, it is the nature of it. Windows and Windows alone should have write access to the registry. It became a catch all for lazy programmers to make their program do what they want without consideration for other programs. They constantly leave garbage, especially during de-installs, however, Windows itself may block modification or removal of keys for programs, especially if the system thinks they are in use.

Regardless, for every typical consumer user out there, the registry goes from pristine to more and more rot over time. You can debate black is white, red is yellow, it is all users and 3rd party programmers, but you can not deny that the registry becomes more and more corrupt over time.

TripleII
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@TripleII: And you have a system that is getting slower, less stable and error prone.

How? What is a "hole" in the registry? Why does having left over keys slow it down (given the nature of the registry looksup are extremely fast...even if it is large). How is it error prone?

You talk the talk now walk the walk. Explain how these things cause problems.
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
Badgered 25th Mar 2011
@LTV10

I love this one from your Google search.....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Windows%20rot%29;

Windows rot is the term Mac fanboys use to explain why Windows gradually gets slower from all of their illegal porn torrenting, background programs, lack of defragmenting, and other various things. This is usually a mark of stupidity when people use this term.
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
nickdangerthirdi@... 25th Mar 2011
@TripleII How is you saying windows user telling you ""I have never had that problem so it doesn't exist" type arguments." any different from a Mac user who says the same thing, Mac isnt that fantastic, in fact the only 2 people I know with Mac's have had to have me work on them, because they DIDNT WORK, Windows isnt perfect, but neither is Linux or OSX (AKA BSD bastardized) but at least M$ will release updates on regular schedule and not a quarterly one like apple uses, and how is saying its a user error any different from apple telling people they werent holding their phones correctly during antenna gate with the iphone 4? sounds like apples excuse was user error... give me a break man, the fact is you can buy a windows PC for a 4th the price of a mac, (if you notice our author purchased a USED mac, not a new one) and if you actually know what you are doing which you better if you use a Mac, because they are NOT as intuitive as you would like to think, then you dont end up having to reimage you machine every couple months, I mean its windows, you have be pretty dumb to screw up a windows machine so bad you have reimage it... I havent had to reimage a windows PC where I work because of an performance issue in over 3 years... and I manage over 1500 machines on my own...
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Uh.. NOT!
Wolfie2K3 25th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude
Perlow is anything but a MS Fanboy.
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@badgered - oh my
LTV10 25th Mar 2011
Windows rot is the term Mac fanboys use to explain why Windows gradually gets slower from all of their illegal porn torrenting, background programs, lack of defragmenting, and other various things. This is usually a mark of stupidity when people use this term.

Yes, written by an aggrieved windoze fanbui who can't face the truth about long term disc/file fragmentation and registry corruption and takes to calling his opponents "stupid".

In other words, they can't argue or make a case windoze rot doesn't exist either.

Or maybe you can @badgered. Hey, we'll even give a curve and not bring up all the porn you downloaded. K?
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Of course not, ye
LTV10 25th Mar 2011
You talk the talk now walk the walk. Explain how these things cause problems.

He just explained it to you up above, but you don't want to listen. Are you being deliberately obstinate? Or are you naturally a bone head?

I can tell you this. I've never had to defrag a Linux drive. Neither ext3, ext4 or ReiserFS.

Ever.

http://www.msversus.org/microsoft-windows-performance.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Windows_and_Linux

"Windows
The way the default Windows' file system NTFS works causes files to become fragmented, degrading the performance of the system significantly over time, and it requires regular defragmenting to combat this.[72][73]

Linux
Linux avoids fragmentation of the file system as much as possible.[74]

Only very small improvements to performance can be gained from defragmenting UNIX and Linux filesystems.[73]

Ext2 uses an offline defragmenter called e2defrag, which does not work with its successor ext3. An online defragmenter is planned for ext4. Other filesystems like XFS and JFS have their own defragmenation utilities."
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
Keele Updated - 25th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude The nerve of you, Richy.

He may not have as much money as you do, or may not be as qualified as you are in your field (I don't know?), but at the very least, he manages to retain enough common sense to be able to acknowledge when something happens to be a bad deal and when it does not. Which is obviously FAR more than I can say for you.

Now, this surprises me a wee bit, only because of your oh so superior qualifications that you apparently love flaunting about.

WHY are you STILL such a dumb ass?

Onto your wad of cash, nobody gives a flying ****. But, hey, keep sustaining your insignificantly miniscule erection over the fact that you constantly get ripped off because you're STILL god damn stupid.

Nobody's going to look at your money here, nor are they going to give a rats ass about your prestige qualifications. Instead, they're going to look at your comment, exactly as I have, and wonder why exactly the **** this guy still has his job.
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@LTV10: I can tell you this. I've never had to defrag a Linux drive. Neither ext3, ext4 or ReiserFS.

Nor have I had to defrag an NTFS filesystem. I acknowledge an NTFS filesystem can become fragmented. But the performance degredation would be unnoticable on anything but benchmarks unless it is an extreme case.

Again: Windows rot does not exist.
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@ye: jury is still out on what causes bit rot
thx-1138_@... Updated - 25th Mar 2011
.. if, indeed, such a thing does - in fact - exist.

"...Nor have I had to defrag an NTFS filesystem. I acknowledge an NTFS filesystem can become fragmented."

I'm glad you do, because it can be majorly problematic if left unchecked over extended periods of time.

"...But the performance degredation would be unnoticable on anything but benchmarks unless it is an extreme case."

In the many years i've been using (and testing) Windows - and particularly XP, i've actually experienced the opposite of you: which is, fragmentation occurs frequently and can cause the operating system to have read ~ save issues - in cases where left unaddressed.

If the performance hit on systems is attributable to anything, i would have to go with NTFS. Ironically, the OS is likely irrelevant. Since i have also used Linux based systems over a number of years too, i have not had a similar experience with read-write / save issues with regards data. Ergo: ext* type file systems as opposed to using tables seem to hold some merit.

If i were to suggest anything to MS in regards file systems is, perhaps experiment with using a different file system with Windows, moving forward.

Lastly, i have to concur with you on bit-rot: there is nothing in my experience that has lead me to believe it exists in Windows-based systems - and certainly not because of the operating system.
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@all

Causes:
-compulsive addition of widgets, toolbars, and such
-poor management of startup configurations, particularly as more and more applications get installed
-DLL conflicts (pre-XP)
-poorly-designed, old school application software abusing the registry and system files while running with unrestricted system access (XP and earlier)
-incomplete uninstalls leaving registry entries and files that the system has to sort through
-disk fragmentation, a much less severe problem than it used to be
-malware

There's nothing mysterious or unavoidable about it. Be selective about what you install, manage your startup programs, defragment occasionally, and use good (and free) uninstall and cleaning utilities and the system stays in good shape. It's not like 10-15 years ago when a reinstall was frequently the only practical option.
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@LTV10 Funny, searching for OS X rot
WinTard 25th Mar 2011
Returns About 2,070,000 results (0.21 seconds)

See for yourself https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=OS+X+rot

And try that too just for fun https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=OS+X+kernel+panic

Only About 462,000 results (0.58 seconds)

It's hard to recover from Apple's Reality Distortion Field. Poor you. Heh.

~~~~~~~~~~
Ignorance is trainable ? Stupidity is terminal.
~ Jerry Fleming
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See for yourself https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=OS+X+rot

lol... Never heard that before. Know anybody who's had it? Do tell.

And try that too just for fun https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=OS+X+kernel+panic

Well don't stop there! grin

About 2,860,000 results (0.11 seconds)
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Blue+Screen+Of+Death%22&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs=

task...tsk...tsk...

It's hard to recover from Apple's Reality Distortion Field. Poor you. Heh.

Yeah but I don't own an Apple so I couldn't tell ya. Wanna buy me one?

more lol...
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windoze rots even more
LTV10 26th Mar 2011
Nor have I had to defrag an NTFS filesystem.

Then why does windoze come with a built-in defragmenter? If performance degradation isn't an issue (as you say) then there shouldn't be the need for one. At least according to your (il)logic.

I acknowledge an NTFS filesystem can become fragmented.

To do otherwise would make you look like an absolute and total idiot.

But the performance degredation would be unnoticable on anything but benchmarks unless it is an extreme case.

I'd like to see you cite this. Where are your links?

Again: Windows rot does not exist.

Again, I don't believe you. Disc fragmentation along with registry changes involving programs being installed, updated or uninstalled on a regular basis causes too many changes to the registry to be ignored.

And given the average windoze user's propensity to click on every wizard and download things that look appealing to them (dangerous or not), then I would say there is extensive alterations to the registry as time goes on.
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
johnmckay 26th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude

You're having a laugh now. MS is dominant because of it's open strategy as everyone knows. If only Apple had the sense years ago and released the OS I've no doubt it would be close if not higher.

Rather than go the full Apple hardware route just run Linux, enable virtualbox and run MAC OS via efi boot loader. That does the job for me and saves me buying Appple hardware whilst still allowing me enough visibility to support the few Apple users I interface with. It's not that they work better.... there's just around 2% willing to buy it.

Why does Apple want to stiffle its potential target? Surely most companies would see a ten fold increase in OS sales as a good thing???
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
​ 27th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude who's -> whose
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RE: I bought a Mac. So sue me.
​ 27th Mar 2011
WinTard can't even use a search engine. "OS X rot" (with quotes) gets 18,200 results.
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nt
jacarter3 Updated - 28th Mar 2011
nt
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"Again: Windows rot does not exist."
jacarter3 28th Mar 2011
@Ye old wingnut

I suspect that you're either an idiot or a troll. Spurious data and holes DO exist in the registry. That's because applications create these issues during updates, common module (DLL) between products from the same vendor with different upgrade cycle dates (Adobe on of the worst about this and Microsoft has issues too when using Project 2000 with Office 2007) and un-installation that get confused by shared modules or are just crappy code. A good example is McAffee anti-virus. When I bought a new Sony laptop with crapware McAffee installed. The unistall program would not remove all of its modules and more importantly, the registry values associated with them. After running the uninstall script once, it was delete so there was way to retry. The result was a computer with a corrupted registry that would not only refuse to install a quality anti-virus program but would also not allow the McAffee installation to work either (there as no repair option). It took my several hours to track down all of the keys that were associated with McAffee and the product name to hammer it out of the registry. There were at least 50+ registry entries. That's just stupid and any OS that requires that quantity and type of product setting values is inherently over complicated and therefore more vulnerable to malware that can hide in so many disparate places in the software settings.

There is no way anyone can argue that these registry issues do not exist and you have even admitted so. You also correctly point out the that registry is a database. I'll add that it's certainly not a robust database and has no capability for automatic error correction when conflicts occur between the various trees. Further as a stated above, the registry scatters data regarding a single service, DLL or OLE automation in several if not many locations.

So why does these registry database issues slow windows down? The primary reason is that almost every Windows operation requires data from the registry.

Any idiot that know anything regarding databases knows that databases must respond to queries containing qualification terms and criteria to search and locate specific data values. A well tuned and optimized database (which the registry is certainly not) can search the data set and quickly find the requested data. However, every "hole," error, or conflict in the database will cause the search engine to stop, analyze inconsistencies and to use additional techniques and logic to interpret these data occlusions. Even it it takes only twice as long for a registry query or to set/change a value, the the massive number of registry operations used every second will certainly slow the system down.

Now you can accept this explanation or prove once again to the entire planet that you're incapable of simple logic or just to arrogant to admit it.
and now Mac Book. Mac users have on average more sexual partners. Macs are great hardware and worth the extra if you have the moola. If I could afford it, I would buy the small Mac Book Air, or course installing Linux. Hey, it would be possible to have more women and still use Linux!!!!
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Mythos7 25th Mar 2011
@DonnieBoy

If you omit right hands from those stats that wouldn't be the case.
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audidiablo 25th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude

Apparently you have little ground to stand on as you don't seem to use the platform thus have little clue what you're talking about. None of my Windows 7 machines have any decline in performance aside of those morons who know little about dusting out electronic components such as fans that cool the computers. Apple is notorious for having a poor cooling design on their mobile series.

I know Dell and I agree their quality has gone down the toilet but that doesn't mean there are not other options on the market. How many options do your have for OS X? One... Sounds like a narrow field. Windows and OS X have both come a long way but Windows was never made for "People too stupid to even know how to turn it on." wink

@DonnieBoy

I'm surprised with your post... I'm still trying to decipher whether you're serious or being sarcastic. Most Mac users I encounter here in Cupertino are weirdos some look like pedos and other just really annoying nerds that look like hillbillies. I don't see any of them getting any extra attention. I can say a lot more people are going Google Hemroid but when I point out its flaws people no longer want it... Nothing is perfect we can only make choices to see what fits the individual user. I love Linux but don't love Google. I love Windows and really don't hate Apple or OS X I just dislike most of their user base and pricing.
spend all day keeping it held together with duct tape and bailing wire. Now, normal Windows users that are not computer dweebs and just use Windows because that is what is installed, they are perfectly normal. They will switch to OSX, iOS, Android, or ChromeOS when the opportunity presents itself. Well, those "normal" Windows users are already buying iPhone, Android, and iPad in volume.
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mgaul 25th Mar 2011
@DonnieBoy
"Apple users are just more cool" What the hell? Despite what you may think, grammar is a good thing.

Secondly, anyone that is a zealot has lost all objectivity and therefore, any comments related to their zealotry goes to (dare I say it) /dev/null.
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mikroland 25th Mar 2011
@DonnieBoy
Quote "Mac users have on average more sexual partners. "

Exactly because they are mostly left cost liberal F A G S
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vulpine@... 25th Mar 2011
@mikroland: If you hadn't already been flagged, I'd have done it myself. That was simply crude and un-called for.
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@audidiablo pedo := kid
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*Yawn*
John Zern 25th Mar 2011
@Richard Flude
Quit being such a phoney, OK? All I pointed out was a truthful observation: That I knew that one of the usual trolls would use this as an opportunity to get their petty little insults in against Windows users, and so I wasn't surprised.

But of course you have to respond with phoney stories of As I sit in my office amongst my Apple (Mac OS X), IBM (RHEL) and Cisco gear

The difference between you and me is that I'm employeed as head of IT for the division in which I work, ready to retire at an age 15 years sooner then the age you will.

(Oh, I was asked to come and work here)

You sound like a "wannabe", immature comments the most exciting thing you can do in life, a Windows vs Mac mentality in which you gauge your self worth against the hardware you buy.

If you want I can give you some emails from people who have re-imaged Macs on many occasions. They say it's not an easy task half of the time, but the thing is, it has to be done.

So you were saying... happy
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Rick_K 25th Mar 2011
@John Zern
If you want I can give you some emails from people who have re-imaged Macs on many occasions. They say it's not an easy task half of the time, but the thing is, it has to be done.

What are these people doing wrong? When I got this MacBook Pro, I reimaged it using a full disk Backup. The only reason I did was because it was quicker and easier than installing all my software. I think it actually took about all of 35 minutes to do it. And I did not even need babysit it while it was working. I create a new disk image every 6 months or so, and use Time machine to do daily backups. THat way if I replace the hard drive I can simply restore from the disk image and have everything I had right before I swapped the disk out.
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theo_durcan Updated - 25th Mar 2011
@John Zern
sorry to interrupt your self congratulatory tirade, but you forgot to mention how much you make, that would be an exocet, kind of....

But back too that stuff of reimaging a mac, must tell you is an urban myth, propelled by some dubious individuals. The reality, never saw one...
in what consist, that re-imaging thing?
btw every time I come to this board to read Apple/MS/Google stuff, you're here, keeping high the flag; and you have the nerve to complain about others showing different biases as yours.
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