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Kindle Economics

By | November 16, 2008, 8:27am PST

Summary: A few weeks ago I evaluated Amazon’s Kindle. While I really liked the device, the big problem I had with it was that at its current price of $359.00 it was too expensive at this point for mass consumer adoption. I also had a number of issues with the fact that despite being based on [...]

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A few weeks ago I evaluated Amazon’s Kindle. While I really liked the device, the big problem I had with it was that at its current price of $359.00 it was too expensive at this point for mass consumer adoption. I also had a number of issues with the fact that despite being based on Linux, the device is a closed book, literally.

At what point, however, do consumers start ditching their dead-tree books for e-books? And how many books do you actually have to read per year in order for the convenience factor of the Kindle — its light weight, its ability to store hundreds of books in its memory, and the instant gratification of being able to download books via the Amazon Whispernet EVDO Sprint network — to outweigh its costs?

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

Others have attempted to take a swag at “Kindlenomics” before. But I decided to engage in a mental exercise (click for Excel Spreadsheet) in order to determine where the “sweet spot” in price might actually be for a large number of people to start using ebooks instead of buying dead-tree versions or going to the library.

See also: The Kindle Book Worksheet (Excel Spreadsheet)

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Chris Dawson over at ZDNet Education wrote a great post about what it would take to get Kindle-type devices or paperless educational curricula to replace textbooks and reading lists in elementary school and high school, and some of the problems that would have to be addressed.

Indeed, to get Kindles in the hand of 5th graders, we’re going to have to think about battle hardening the devices (think a companies like Motorola Symbol Technologies or Panasonic’s Toughbook division stepping in to help) and having them owned by the schools, because unless the prices of these things drop to the point where the replacement costs are roughly equivalent to what it currently costs to outfit kids with textbooks and literature for a wear and tear lifetime of 3 to 5 years, it’s going to be a non-starter.

Kids are going to lose these things and destroy them. This of course, is assuming your kids don’t go to a school district where textbooks are 30 years old because of budgetary issues.

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In my study, I decided to focus on two likely market segments — higher education, and consumers. Right now, the Kindle is actually a realistic contender to replace textbooks in higher education because college and graduate degree textbooks are very expensive.  However, most college and graduate textbooks don’t exist on the Kindle yet, so this exercise was purely a “What If”.

We took a representative sampling of college and graduate-level textbooks that we could find on Amazon that had both Kindle as well as dead-tree versions, and came up with an average price of $73.04 per new textbook and  $49.19 for used.

It is my experience that college and graduate students will opt for used textbooks first, and then if a used version is not available, will buy new copies. The average Kindle textbook price was $39.04. With these numbers, we could extrapolate what students might spend per semester on books, based on a class load of 15 credits per semester and six textbooks purchased.

This came out to an average cost of $438.23 per semester if they bought the new books on Amazon (which is cheaper than what most universities charge for new books) or at $295.13 per semester used. However, a more realistic scenario would be a blended cost, with half new and half used, at $366.00 per semester.

If they had purchased all of the books on the Kindle, they would have spent $234.00, or a savings of $132.00 per semester. Over a period of 8 semesters, that’s $1056.00, which if you subtract the cost of the Kindle at current prices, we’re talking about a net savings of $700.86 over four years, which is not insignificant.

To put this another way, if college students had the ability to buy all their textbooks on Kindles, they could wipe out the cost of a Kindle with their savings over printed books in 3 semesters, or a year and a half.

To get a reality check on these numbers, we had a friend forward us their wife’s 1st year of graduate school curricula for their Masters in Mental Health Counseling at a major New England university. As it turned out, he bought all of his wife’s textbooks on Amazon — which again, would have been cheaper than at a campus bookstore. The current Amazon price for all of those books came out to $692.17.

If we apply the same relative discount that we got from our textbook sampling, we come up with $429.00, or a net savings of $198.00 per year. This is not out of line with our projected numbers in our sampling — and would also align with the Kindle’s cost being wiped out in approximately 3 semesters.

I will note, however, we did not factor some students returning their texts at the end of the semester and getting a credit for approximately half the price they paid for them, in which case, that’s going to to alter the model if you take that into consideration.

(Update: One of my readers decided to take the model a bit futher and did a Net Present Value analysis of Kindle ownership. You can read his blog entry and view his spreadsheet here.)

So clearly, it makes a lot of sense, even with the Kindle’s current prices, to think about getting higher education on-board with electronic versions of textbooks. Within 2 or 3 years, when more and more electronic textbooks are available, a Kindle might be a nice High School graduation present.

Certainly, if you’re an English Literature student now or read a lot of classics, a Kindle or another competing e-book reader is currently very viable, because the cost of your books are going to be very cheap on Amazon, or zero if you download stuff from Project Gutenberg.

So it certainly makes sense to get Kindles in higher education. But what about the average consumer? How many books do you need to read per year to make the convenience factor outweigh the costs?

So as with our textbook price sampling, we took a look at twelve New York Times best sellers, and totaled up the prices, assuming mostly hardcover with some paperbacks — this came to $168.15 if we bought them on Amazon. The Kindle cost would have been $109.11.

In other words, if you read one book per month, and you subtract the cost of the Kindle, your net savings per year is approximately $59.04. To wipe out the cost of the Kindle completely, you have to buy and read six books per month to wipe out the Kindle’s cost over the course of one year. That’s a pretty voracious reading schedule — and if you’re reading that many books, you’re probably spending most of your time in a library and not purchasing them on Amazon.

So it would seem that unless the convenience factor of the Kindle currently outweighs its costs, the Kindle is not a huge value proposition for your average consumer today. But if its cost were to drop approximately in half, say, between the 3 and 4 book per month level at around $200 per unit, then we might start seeing greater e-book adoption by a larger segment of the population. At the two books per month level, it’s going to need to cost around $125.00 or $150.00 or so.

Have you done your own “Kindlenomics” studies? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

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RE: Kindle Economics
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oncall Updated - 16th Nov 2008
I own a kindle and I love it. However, at it's current price point it is only appropriate for a) people who read tons of books and can justify the purchase (I know of very few people who read so avidly) or b) people with a lot of disposable income such that the convenience is the only real consideration, or maybe c) people who actually read newspapers and magazines and just hate the thought of the piles of paper generated by such items.

IMHO it won't hit mainstream until at least $200 is knocked off that price. Until then it'll just be a high tech toy for people with lots of disposable income.

P.S. I guess it goes without saying that their magazine, newspaper and older book offering have a ways to go before it'll be a true "book replacement".
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Non-starter
Yagotta B. Kidding 16th Nov 2008
First, you assume that textbooks are disposable: that once the class is over the student throws them away.

Maybe in some fields, but I not only have my texts from more than thirty years ago but my sons have borrowed them for their University studies. Fermi's Thermodynamics is still quite instructive today, after all. So are Feynman's Lectures.

Even the current dead-tree versions are useful for several years for review and so on, so the DRM-timebombed "electronic texts" are useless unless you look at that average cost as being a recurring rental, and in that case the economics becomes impossible to justify.

Which brings up the DRM: if the texts in question aren't DRMed to uselessness, the Kindle is superfluous because the student can read them on a laptop, netbook, etc. and using a general-purpose computer has the added benefit of being capable of cut-and-paste between the text and the student's own work.

What this gets back to is that the only justification for the Kindle's existence is as a locked-down vehicle for DRM, and DRM in turn only exists to remove value from purchased works. All in all, this is just not a sustainable business, and when it fails (as we've seen with the Yahoo music store, Wal-Mart, etc.) purchasers are left with dead bits.

The Kindle would be a somewhat frivolous waste of a few hundred dollars, but losing the rented works bought for it (either to time-bombing or business failure) is another matter. Especially for textbooks.
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Why would they have to throw them away?
jperlow Updated - 16th Nov 2008
I don't understand why you think this assumes students throw away their textbooks. They either trade them in for buyback at the end of the year for about half of what they paid for them (which we did not factor into this exercise) or they keep them. I don't see how buying an electronic version that the student had an infinite entitlement to (keyed to Amazon account number, or stored within a University database that was online accessible, so they could read them years later on another device) would constitute "throwing it away".
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oncall 16th Nov 2008
Assuming Amazon does not go under and take kindle with it, why would your book collection be at any risk? I think this unlikely, once the price comes down this is basically a can't lose business because of the extremely low overhead. Like Apples iTunes and apple TV, you think Apple is risking any real money storing movies on their hard drives? Nope. Unlike blockbuster or a major store, Apple doesn't lose a bunch of money if those movies don't sell or rent. Same for kindle, once they have an established user base this thing is going to feed itself. Just upload new books to the server, slap a price on it, and sit back and collect the money. Amazon is not going to go broke storing digital media and accounts on their servers where traditional bookstores could easily go broke storing unpurchased books.

I commuted to college, my back still remembers the heavy books I had to take on the public transit system, and lugging them through several moves over the years before I finally tossed them. If they can replace college books and bring the price per unit down it's gonna fly.
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frgough 17th Nov 2008
because all the electricity, sysadmins, hardware replacements, etc. Apple has to use to make iTunes work comes from pixie dust.
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Why your book collection is at risk...
dominigan 17th Nov 2008
You're joking, right? What technology items did you buy 30 years ago... and are still using?

As an electronic device, this has a useful life of only a couple of years. Accidents happen, electronics die, bugs crop up in software...

And with DRM, it's your loss when (not if) it eventually dies. Plus, most companies won't support their products past a handful of years.

Think of it this way... I bought some games for my Atari computer back in high school. How would I play them now with... the original company out of business, decayed magnetic bits on the disk, unavailability of drives to read it, and unknown data formats and code even if I could retrieve the bits off disk.

Paper is still the only viable long-term media.
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Why it's less at risk than you thought...
dave.leigh@... 18th Nov 2008
...so long as you avoid DRM.

http://tinyurl.com/5lk86f
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"Reads for Sure"
Yagotta B. Kidding 16th Nov 2008
I don't understand why you think this assumes students throw away their textbooks.

I don't -- I pointed out that your analysis does.

They either trade them in for buyback at the end of the year for about half of what they paid for them (which we did not factor into this exercise) or they keep them.

So what is the trade-in value of an electronic text?

Oh, that's right -- you can't. You also can't share them with classmates, family, etc.

I don't see how buying an electronic version that the student had an infinite entitlement to (keyed to Amazon account number, or stored within a University database that was online accessible, so they could read them years later on another device) would constitute "throwing it away".

Remind me how the "Plays for Sure" program is working. How about the Yahoo music store? Wal-Mart's digital downloads?

My experience with "electronic textbooks" is that they're time-bombed to expire at the end of the academic year. That's one reason that they're less expensive than the printed ones; those who want to keep copies for later use have to pay rent.
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Here today, Gone tomorrow
dave.leigh@... 18th Nov 2008
Remind me how the "Plays for Sure" program is working. How about the Yahoo music store? Wal-Mart's digital downloads?

Precisely. I've "bought" books on-line (programming references). Where are they now? The question's not rhetorical, as I haven't seen them in years... not since the company went out of business.

So now it's Creative Commons text by preference. Open formats if I can't get that. Otherwise I will unashamedly and unabashedly work around whatever restrictions are in place to protect my investment. For instance, I recently purchased a title from YUDU.com. The very first thing I did was convert the book from their online-only format to the PDF they should have offered to begin with.

Am I going to buy from them again? Quite probably, if they have content that I want. Their format was easy enough to convert in a few minutes. Would I BUY a PDF copy if they offered it? Yes, even though I've made my own, and even though I've already "bought" the online content. Are they damaged in any way by my archived copy? Not in any conceivable way, no. Will I share that copy? No, buy your own...that's why they're not damaged. But when YUDU.com buckles under -- despite my financial support -- I will not lose MY investment. So saith the voice of experience.
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rkinne01 3rd Dec 2008
The problen with book buy backs is that the schools only keep the books for a term or two. I have been burned by this so many times, about half my books were unable to be sold back to the school book store, I have a nice stack sitting in my attic.
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oncall 16th Nov 2008
Does anybody besides me think this will open up a whole new realm for book publishing? What I mean is these devices basically remove the overhead typically associated with book publishing, i.e. now that the financial "risks" associated with getting a typical book to the end user such as printing, distribution, marketing, and *gulp* returns is now practically zero. Writers could ultimately see not just an easier time getting the book to market but also an increased profitable lifespan of their works as now there is no carrying costs keeping a digital book on a virtual shelf.
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mwagner@... 21st Nov 2008
... that the potential is staggering. Not only must book publishers invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in a new author just to get a book out the door, they have to store all those books in warehouses that must be lit and heated (or cooled) year round. They must be shipped as well.

The costs incurred by a publisher to ship an e-book from a new author is literally pennies.
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The rest of the story
Yagotta B. Kidding 16th Nov 2008
I note you didn't address the point that the Kindle is redundant to computers that students have to have anyway, assuming that the "texts" in question aren't DRM-locked to particular devices (which is the current state of affairs.)
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I see you are very against DRM
oncall 16th Nov 2008
I assume your biggest problem with Kindle is DRM. Fair enough. How would you go about guaranteeing the publishers, of lets say classroom texts, fair reimbursement for their efforts in a non-DRM world? The problem I see is that, let's take music, digital music players are now ubiquitous, the number of people who will honestly pony up $.99 for a song VASTLY outweigh the relatively few who would pirate such music. Song producers can throw out such DRM free music and still make a killing because most people will just buy them without giving the $.99 a second thought.

Whereas in a small classroom of 30 students, and texts being expensive as they are due to their small market, such a DRM free texts could be instantly distributed to the entire class. Thus from a book publishers standpoint it would be far better to stick with good old fashioned paper, so they know they have x-numbers of classes using the book and can expect to sell x-number of copies over the books useful life span, than risk DRM free digital piracy.
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wraynop 16th Nov 2008
I wonder if they will take the journal approach and switch to campus licensing of texts - if nothing else it would put a stop to the 'new edition to kill used book sales' that plagues Calculus texts in particular.
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oncall Updated - 16th Nov 2008
Neat idea, but that just transfers the expense back to the school, and as such they may be inclined to cut corners and use cheaper, out-of-date texts. It would probably significantly narrow teachers choices only to the cheapo "pre-approved" texts sad
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If only because now, instead of a horde of individual students with very little bargaining power, the schools could negotiate fairer prices. Used books would no longer be available, but also no longer would the publishers push out a new revision with minor differences just to make the used books obsolete. Revisions could be more or less continuous.

Frankly, I see textbooks moving more toward a wiki-style publishing system in the not too distant future. Professors would subscribe, perform updates, peer review lessons and problem sets, and check out a specific revision to plan lessons around. Its all public knowledge anyway; The containerization of that knowledge (organizing and publishing a book) just makes it easier for the instructors.
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Academic publishing
Yagotta B. Kidding 16th Nov 2008
How would you go about guaranteeing the publishers, of lets say classroom texts, fair reimbursement for their efforts in a non-DRM world?

Not my problem any more than it's my problem to ensure that the people who sell me gasoline make a profit. I just point out that the business arrangement that they are suggesting is not an attractive value proposition.

Now, as far as academic publishing goes I do have a few minor observations. Such as, there isn't anything magically wonderful about the latest edition of a text on college algebra. Comparing my father's from 1947 to my daughter's from five years ago, the old one would have done just as well.

So how come the new one cost almost $80? Did the publisher have to revise the text every year to cover advances in the field? No? Hmmmm. Why is it that the same book that costs $150 in the USA costs less than $30 (same publisher) in India, even after being shipped across the Pacific?

No, I think the publishers' profits are being very well cared for without my help. If they can't make any money in the business, quite a few professors (who typically receive very little from book sales) have taken to producing texts under Creative Commons licenses. I'm sure that the world will not end.
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oncall Updated - 16th Nov 2008
God forbid a company look out for their own profits, that's just so un-American wink

I find the Anti-DRM arguments really similar to the anti-Apple and anti-Microsoft arguments. The whole, I only want to buy a product under my terms and at my price, etc.

There's always the library.
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Anti-DRM
spamagnet 17th Nov 2008
It has nothing to do with profits or anti-company sentiments. People hate DRM because you never actually own a DRM-encumbered product. At the company's whim (or collapse), it can make your product disappear: http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/15195-Top-5-music-DRM-disasters-of-all-time.html.
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enduser_z 9th Feb 2009
Capitalism goes both ways. Thats the beauty of it. Companies are free to say "I only want to sell a product under my terms and at my price, etc." (Amazon, Publishers)

But consumers are also free to say "I only want to buy a product under my terms and at my price".

This is how the market works. From your post, you are fine with the former but not the latter.
I had a Phsch 101 class where they wouldn't buy the books back (at any price) at the end of the year because there was a new edition. I lent that book out to 5 different people over the next 7 years, and each of them said it was the same as the book the prof assigned, even though they changed the edition each year. The only difference was the order of the chapters, and different stock photos in the chapters. Everything else remained unchanged.

This has always made me suspicious of professors/instructors being so adamant that students use the very latest edition of the textbook. Do they have a financial interest in ensuring that new books get sold? If not, why not allow previous editions (with the understanding that students are on their own to find page #s) when books don't really change from edition to edition.
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gards1964@... 13th Feb 2009
The professors who are actually the authors do benefit from the new editions obviously. But as a non-published professor, I still have an interest that the student be current with the textbook. I assign readings/chapters and then work that accompany those readings. I have never required my students to have the most current edition but there are so many organizational issues that come up when they don't and it almost always ends up impacting their grade. The read the wrong thing at the wrong time, they work on the wrong material, they just do not manage their use of the older text and my assignments. Then, of course, it is my fault b/c I didn't make buy the most recent text. Meh.
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If you need to maintain access to material over a number of years, as can be the case with textbooks on basic science and mathematics, you will end up having to buy new copies when the original reader fails, specially if the format canges in the mean time. I have already lost access to fiction I paid for, and will never again buy a DRMed file of any sort unless there is no alternative and the file is essential.

I suppose that dead trees for publishing will be with us for a long while yet.
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The problem with...
arminw 17th Nov 2008
all things Digital, and especially with DRM digital
content is its ephemeral and impermanent nature.
Even reading an old 5.25" floppy with a plain text
file only 25 years old is rather difficult if not
impossible for the average person. Add to that
proprietary text and graphics formats and encode
that all with some sort of DRM encryption, and
even the best experts in technology will find it
impossible to recover the information in 20 years.

The laws of physics and of mathematics have not
changed materially in the last 20-50 years, yet
textbook publishers insist on coming out with new
editions all the time. A better way to save money
would be to allow the use of the old-fashioned
dead tree textbooks of yesteryear. What is true of
the basic sciences is even more true of history and
English. Why do colleges and public schools insist
on requiring students to purchase the latest
expensive editions when teaching these subjects?
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As should you be.
dave.leigh@... 18th Nov 2008
Take as an example the "codex", the form of book that we've been used to for the last couple of thousand years. A physical item consisting of multiple pages bound at one side, and commonly called a "book". For the entirety of its existence (today included) a codex could be sold and it was (and is) a real sale. Having bought it, the owner of that codex can resell it, give it as a gift, lend it, etc. The only illegal act is to copy it.

I pay for texts when payment is required. I do not distribute copies without the right to do so. I don't put my books where they can be stolen. I do nothing to violate the trust of the publisher. This is how, in a non-DRM world, I guarantee fair reimbursement to the publishers with whom I do business. I prefer Creative Commons and non-DRM texts. If they want to "license" rather than "sell" then I will turn away and buy something else from someone else. Thus I go to great lengths to protect their precious licenses as well as their copyrights. As a conscientious customer I demand equal consideration on their part. This is reasonable, and is the necessary corollary to the "fair" treatment of which you write.

Which places the question firmly in your court. How do YOU go about ensuring that purchasers of digital books have the same rights that 20 centuries of precedence say they should have? By what precedent to publishers claim the right to sell me the same text over and over simply because the medium they've chosen for delivery proves to be ephemeral? By what reasonable line of thought should I lose every purchase I've ever made with a company simply because they cannot manage their business? If Beds-n-Baths went out of business tomorrow, would it be reasonable for them to show up at your home and shred every sheet you ever bought from them? DRM proponents seem to think that it would. Those that don't need to re-think their position on DRM to avoid hypocrisy.
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The Kindle offers many things a ...
mwagner@... 21st Nov 2008
... computer cannot deliver:

1) readability in most any lighting
2) light weight, 11 oz versus pounds
3) a week on a charge
4) free nationwide access to Internet
5) on-demand access to content
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RE: Kindle Economics
wraynop 16th Nov 2008
Form factor, form factor, form factor. A desktop can do all that a laptop can do for cheaper, so why do we get laptops? They are lighter weight and more portable. Similarly a kindle is significantly lighter (10.3 oz vs 4-5 lb for many laptops), quieter (no fan that I can see), has better battery life (claims 2 days w/ wifi, a week without vs 4-5 hours at best for most laptops unplugged). It is there for those who want a device that does one thing exceedingly well rather than doing many things reasonably well. It looks like there is a conversion utility (no idea how good it is) for converting .pdf, etc into their format, so no reason you cannot use this for non-DRMed material - Baen's Free Library for instance. If I found I liked Kindle (I want to try before I buy), that source alone would give me several hundred free books to read in the same general weight/form factor as a book vs a laptop which is uncomfortable to hold close in the traditional novel style.
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I love my Kindle, of course I have only bought 2(maybe 3) books from amazon, both of which I already owned in paper or hard back form. For those books I just wanted the convenience of having them on hand in a small and lite form factor with my other books. The only other DRM encumbered materials are my subscriptions to Analog and Asimov through Amazon. All other books I read on my kindle come DRM free.

I have blown through 70% of Baen's Free Library, I pick up a lot of classics from Guttenberg. And the rest I buy from Baen using their WebScriptions model which gets me a month worth of their publishing for about $2-$4 per book. The webscription stuff is just like their free library,except you pay wink for access to the books. This means it is DRM free and comes in the MOBI format which can be used on the kindle. These webscription books tend to cost less per book on avg than Amazon.

I have used a PDF->mobi converter with decent results(have not tried the Amazon PDF conversion service). The conversion quality depends on the PDF source. PDF files specify a paper type/size, formatting on that assumed paper size, and can be rendered as page size images. In some of those cases the conversion might not be legable, when rendered as free flowing text. At one point I had come across an article or post from Jim Baen (of Bean books...) why PDF was not a good choice as a format for EBooks, or publishing in general. In addition the Kindle can use plain txt and simple html files.

In the future as I run out of DRM free material from Baen or Guttenberg I may start purchasing more material from Amazon, but I do not plan to worry too much about the DRM problem at this time. A. I keep backup copies of all my EBooks. B. Not a problem until Amazon stops supporting me or disappears (something that is unlikely to occure anytime in the near future...) C. Regardless of DMCA someone will eventually find a way to bypass the Amazon DRM (just look at DeCSS and I hear they are close to HD and BluRay decryption...), and is more likely if B was to pass...
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RE: Kindle Economics
pubwvj 16th Nov 2008
Something I don't like about the Kindle is the drying up of
the used books market that it represents. In a very similar
vein I like to be able to loan my books out. My sons enjoy
reading the same sorts of books I do. Sometimes my wife
wants to read a book I got. Or my daughter. Or my brother
might. I read a good book and then they want to. With the
Kindle they've got to buy it separately and then we've got
three copies of the same book kicking around the house
and worse yet we have to have five kindles in the
household. I also don't like the temporary nature of the
Kindle. What happens to my library of ebooks when the file
format changes? It will change. My ebooks will get
orphaned. This has happened over and over throughout
history with computer data. No thanks.
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I can answer that
oncall Updated - 16th Nov 2008
You can have either 5 or 6 kindles registered to a single account and each one can have a copy of the same book, subscriptions can only be sent to one kindle though.

Also your book purchases are stored on Amazon, so technically they cannot be lost unless Amazon disappears and no one picks it up.

P.S. no I have no relationship with Amazon, just a satisfied owner of a Kindle.
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RE: Kindle Economics
petralyn@... 16th Nov 2008
I bought my Kindle in May and have read 56 books as of today. Therefore, using your number I've already paid for my Kindle in savings. In addition, traveling with my Kindle is the cat's meow.
In fact, I've heard it said, "Using a Kindle is more addictive than crack." I don't know about the drug part but I love my Kindle.
The drawbacks: no bookshelf to display one's investment in books, and can only share books with other Kindle owners; and using the internet is painfully slow, and a battery consuming operation.
Petra
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RE: Kindle Economics
spamgirl 16th Nov 2008
The only problem is the Kindle doesn't have page numbers, so you can't reference any title you read on it, nor can you find the page your professor is telling you to start at in your text.
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That can be solved
jperlow 16th Nov 2008
That can be solved with the ability to import electronic bookmarks or for each line of text to be indexed by some sort of algorithm, like a "save game" code in the old style video game systems. Obviously, the professor would also need to run the electronic version and the same type of reader software (I.E. MOBI format that the Kindle uses). It wouldn't work if he was using dead tree text, although a text search would take care of it if you plugged in a full sentence into the unit's search engine.
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So your solution
frgough 17th Nov 2008
is to put more work on the professor's shoulders.

Brilliant.
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Matching page numbers
spamagnet 17th Nov 2008
Why not just encode the print version's page numbers into the e-book?
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That gets whacked with font sizes
jperlow 17th Nov 2008
When you change font sizes on a Kindle e-book, the pagination changes. Only the line of text is a constant.
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crazy
Drakaran 18th Nov 2008
that's crazy, it's standard procedure for materials that are scanned to be in the same page layout as the source. so, even if the page is larger than the original, only the same paragraphs and lines show on each page. In fact, most places also use line breaks so that each line of text matches up with the original.

Removing this format would make the Kindle useless for reference purposes.
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Already solved
dave.leigh@... 18th Nov 2008
On other readers, that is. You simply retain the print version's page numbers for searches and/or insert hard page breaks in the electronic version. Flexibility is another reason for not tying yourself into a particular hardware device.

I'm not sure why your brain is stuck in the "Kindle" box, but I suggest thinking outside of it. It is the format that is the star, not the device. The Kindle's not terribly good as it is, and it will certainly be obsolete soon enough. Ignore the device.

Format, format, format.
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A page number is only useful if everyone has the same edition/printing of a book. Different editions or printings of the same book can have different page numbers assigned by the time you get to the end of the book depending on large print, hardback, or paperback edition.

Kindle uses locations, which you can type in and go straight to, regardless of font size. I have not closely examined what the location algorithm is doing(have not counted sentance/words/letters to match up with the location number), but my initial guess is it is the number of words divided by some constant(about 5 is my estimate), with handling of images.

If everyone uses a kindle than the professor could just state the location. I think the location may actually be something that MOBI format ebook readers can also handle(I do not think it is just limited to the kindle...). For referencing, I believe but can not remember and do not have my kindle in front of me to test..., when you make a text clip it saves book and location information as header information with the clip in your clippings.txt file on the kindle.
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Interesting but misleading title
deepakthomas2 16th Nov 2008
Interesting approach in figuring out optimal pricing, but calling it economic analysis is a bit of a joke. Anyone who does pricing analysis for a living will tell you that this is at best a back of the envelope calculation, not an economic or pricing analysis. Too many variables have been assumed away and special cases assumed to be universal. Simple example: the physical cost of a higher ed textbook as a % of the total cost varies hugely between textbooks in specific areas - e.g. a 500 page pol-sci textbook would cost $70, whereas a similar sized business textbook could cost at least 3x that amount. The e-book model only ameliorates physical production costs, not royalties owed etc. That said, this is a great starting point for analysis - thanks for starting the discussion.
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In reality I would like to see a major academic institution sample a much larger # of textbooks and come up with more complex pricing models and several different scenarios so that we can have more valid data.

Still, the point of the article was to be the beginning of a discussion point and for being exactly what you saw -- back of the envelope -- not to be taken as a precise economic model.
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Kindle Pricing
Robert Severn 17th Nov 2008
I think a better price model would be ink jet printers. By charging profitable figures (some say exorbitant) prices for ink, manufacturers sell printers at very low prices. If a Kindle cost $99.00, Amazon would expand the market exponentially and increase sales of Kindle books dramatically. Ultimately, the money will be made from book sales, not reader sales.
Another example is video tape and DVD -- cheap players have increased media sales. Amazon's case is even more compelling
because the control both the device and the content.
This article misses the point of the Kindle. It doesn't exist to save the consumer's money -- not in this version and likely not in the next, either. The early adopter pays for the getting to use technology first, and that comes at a price. A technology writer should know this.

With a Kindle, I can buy a book or newspaper for free in moments and start reading right away, without visiting a bookstore or waiting for a physical shipment. That's worth something to me. How much is your time worth?

A Kindle also gives you the convenience of having hundreds of texts in one place, with a device that lasts a long time without needing a charge. That, too, is worth something to me. How much is it worth it to you not to have to lug around bulky, heavy books?

On my Kindle, I can also search, annotate, and change the text size to accommodate my vision needs, without putting on reading glasses or buying a large-format version. That's worth something to me. How much ... do you get the picture?
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When the kindle
frgough 17th Nov 2008
allows me to open two text books simultaneously (calculus and physics for example), spread them out on my desktop to my left and right with my paper and pencil in the middle, call me.
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Now , I have no clue as to whether the Kindle does this or not. At the price they're charging, I'm never going to buy one, either.

But my Bible reader program on my PDA/Smartphone can do this without breaking a sweat, allowing me to study my Bible in multiple places at once. So it shouldn't be THAT much of stretch to have the kindle (or another reader) be capable of splitting the window to open more than one book . . .
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He won't get such a picture
markbn 17th Nov 2008
He does not mind to shell a lot of money for a 2nd gen
iPhone including payment for two years but coughs at
the idea of using a Kindle. His iPhone not have
Android, but he does not rant about it. So, no, your
arguments won't work with him because he is simply
double faced: blame Kindle but embrace other devices
that do not have many things he eagerly wants to see
in the Kindle. Go figure

BTW the iPhone is just an example, just in case some
zealot wants to convert this into a flame war between
Kindle vs iPhone: that is not my point
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No ebook resale
maferious 16th Nov 2008
I'm surprised you didn't factor in the value of selling all those used books.

Buying e-books that you can't resell makes them even more expensive than the dead tree editions.
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Fear of theft
archerjoe 17th Nov 2008
I can turn my back on a calculus book at the quad or library without fear of losing it to theft. The Kindle would be gone in a New York minute.

For the most part, I like the idea of carrying one item instead a backpack full of books. I not convinced this will replace paper.
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TheLexter 17th Nov 2008
No, sorry, cost is everything. I live on a fixed income of $380/month, which isn't enough for me to rent an apartment let alone buy a Kindle. And I'd LOVE a Kindle. Yes, the convenience is attractive, but how am I supposed to afford the thing?
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