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Ubuntu Linux: I like it, but it doesn't like me

By | August 16, 2010, 5:18am PDT

Summary: Can a regular Windows user completely migrate to Ubuntu Linux as their desktop operating system?

Like my colleague Jason Perlow, I quite like the Ubuntu Linux operating system. I use it as the operating system for my home server, and prefer it for server systems professionally. At home I use the desktop version, configured to act as a server as well as a desktop system.

My primary system, however is a Lenovo Thinkpad X100e laptop installed with Windows 7 64-bit. For both my personal use and my work as a system administrator, I use quite a few apps for work and personal use that are typically only usable under Windows or Mac.

Normally I run Ubuntu in a virtual machine on my laptop for network diagnostics. This week, however, I had the urge to try getting all of my applications and tasks migrated to a Ubuntu system.

I decided to use my desktop/server system as a test platform. I knew that I could install Ubuntu on my laptop and that it would work with all of the devices. Typically Linux has some issues with various laptop devices, such as Wi-Fi and audio. My laptop, however, would not have such issues.

The first thing I checked for compatibility was World of Warcraft. To be honest, I haven’t been playing it much lately and probably wouldn’t miss it all that much, but it is a fairly complex game. If it worked for me, it would at least prove that compatibility with similar programs would be possible.

A little digging on the Web showed that World of Warcraft works pretty well under Ubuntu using Wine. There’s even a very good guide for installing Wine and WoW under Ubuntu.

I switched the game to use OpenGL instead of Direct3D, and fixed an issue with the audio. The game actually was fairly playable at 25-30fps. Performance was kind of disappointing compared to even my pokey little Thinkpad X100e laptop. With effects turned down I can still get over 60fps. My server is much beefier. I’m given to understand that this is common with trying to play games under Linux. It’s disappointing, but not a deal-breaker.

I started researching other important items that I could not just discard. I use a Blackberry 9700 phone, and synchronize it with Microsoft Outlook 2010. I tether my phone to my laptop as a modem. I use Office 2010, Trillian for IM chat, and Sonicwall VPN at work.

At this point in time, Office 2010 is not installable under the latest incarnation of Wine. This isn’t a deal-breaker, since I can use OpenOffice.org or IBM Lotus Symphony, or I could go back to Office 2007 which does install under Wine. Outlook is a bit more difficult to give up; I connect to Exchange Server at work, and I actually like Outlook as an email client.

That being said, the Evolution email client does connect to Exchange server, including calendar access. Worst case scenario, I could use Outlook Web Access to get at my work email and calendar.

Synchronizing and tethering the Blackberry is a bit trickier. Blackberry Desktop Manager simply does not work under Linux. However, there are two synchronization solutions available: Barry and OpenSync. There are also guides for tethering available online which involve the use of Barry.

Blackberry can sync with Evolution on Linux. There is no way to sync with Outlook unless you install a Windows virtual machine. Free solutions to allow this are VMware Player and VirtualBox. Another alternative is to simply forgo syncing directly with a USB cable and doing over the air synchronization with Google Sync.

In place of Trillian 5, I could use Empathy IM or Pidgin. Aesthetically they’re not the same, but they get the job done.

Finally, solutions for pretty much every VPN connection can be found to work with Linux. Solutions for Sonicwall VPN connections are complex, but workable. Cisco makes their own VPN clients, and OpenVPN is open-source and cross-platform.

All-in-all, it’s quite possible for me to completely migrate my working laptop entirely over to Ubuntu. I am disappointed by the inability of several of my favorite apps to work under Wine. While running them in a Windows virtual machine is entirely possible, resorting to that is a failure. The idea is to migrate to Ubuntu, not run Windows under Ubuntu.

Right now I am going to stick with Windows 7. To be honest, it’s still a lot easier to install and use everything I do with Windows, and log into my server when I need to do certain tasks that are best done under Linux.

It is true that for all the functionality that is required, everything I do now will work under Ubuntu. But as you can see from my own attempt, a lot more effort is required in order to make the transition. People use Apple Macs because they “just work”. To put it another way, people don’t want to have to spend more effort getting their system to handle their tasks than the actual tasks themselves.

I might revisit this again in the future. This experience was actually a lot easier than the last time I attempted a desktop migration to Linux. This time I actually have working alternatives to everything I need on my laptop. That in itself is progress.

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Scott Raymond has been a technologist and system administrator for over 25 years.

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Scott Raymond

I am the IT Manager for a high end audio and network systems integrator in northern Califronia. My wife works at Adobe Systems, Inc. Whenever I write an article that might involve Adobe or its products, I add a disclaimer at the top of the article to make sure she is not involved in any way. We have a small bit of stock with AT&T and no other major investments that would cause conflict.

Biography

Scott Raymond

Scott Raymond has been a technologist and system administrator for over 25 years. Starting as a hobbyist in his teens, Scott quickly learned that he could translate his passion and knowledge into a full-time career. He currently works as the IT Manager for a high end audio and network systems integrator in northern California. He has written technology articles for various publications in the past and began contributing to ZDnet as a guest blogger on Jason Perlow's Tech Broiler. Scott and Jason met in New York in the 1990s where they co-managed the New York City Palm Pilot Users' Group.

In his spare time, Scott is a trained chef and avid bicycling enthusiast, as well as a voracious reader of historical, science and horror fiction. He is a huge fan of pop culture, with a wide range of interest in TV shows, movies and games.

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RE: Ubuntu Linux: I Like It, It Doesn't Like Me
fkruis@... 28th Mar 2011
I think Ubuntu right now does about everything I want from it.
I had Win7 64 bit running until my system crashed and I installed a new disk. Win 7 refused to install and instead of going thru the microsoft rigmarole of re validating my win7 disk I went with Ubuntu and never looked back.
Frits
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I think Ubuntu has a hard time in that it's success or failure as an OS is always gauged by it's ability to run or mimic Windows programs while Windows and Mac are taken at face value and not required to be compatible with anyone. Could you imagine how badly Windows would fair if it's merit was weighted on it's ability to run GIMP on dual screen, how well Linux apps in general recompiled, or how well it tethered to non-Windows devices.
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system. If you want to see what will be in Linux next year, look at today's Windows or OS X.
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RE: Ubuntu Linux: I Like It, It Doesn't Like Me
Hallowed are the Ori 16th Aug 2010
@frgough

Nice.
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Linux ? Me 2, We Three Me
ZenZenPup 16th Aug 2010
@frgough At least, when I go strolling barefoot through my Linux memories, I do not need to worry about wiping remnants of GUI.exe off...
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@frgough

Strange ... Ive seen guys show me ooohh!!! ...look what Windows 7 can do !! ....then its like ....uhm cool man ... actually had that in 3 releases of Ubuntu back already ... but yes its nice you have it now too ... don't quite feel the same on that point ... have seen to many desktop features copied from Gnome or KDE ... Im just waiting for a Compiz desktop effects rip-off to follow on Windows ... its coming ... just have this feeling.
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@frgough
Spoken like someone who has never used Linux. Actually, if you want to find out what will be in any operating system next year, look at what's in the others this year. I've seen things show up in Linux, Windows, and Mac first, but most people only find out about them after they show up in Windows.

Microsoft copies software features as much as anyone, and more than most, but people assume they came up with them because they never saw the software that had it first.
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@frgough

If you want to see what will be in Windows 8, look at GNOME 3 and today KDE. Windows7 is lame copy of KDE4, and KDE4 came out in 2008 affter being in open development since 2005. If KDE guys took out patents, they could sue Microsoft into oblivion.
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@frgough ZDNet Au actually did a video on how Win7 had ripped off the desktop effects of KDE 4. What features are you refering to?
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Re:Socratesfoot
Apple is frequently compared to and judged on it's ability to run Windows Programs and has been for years. It is only in the last few years that a core group of popular software (including iTunes) has made the Apple OS interesting/mainstream enough to the average user for them to consider moving toward it. I think Linux (and Ubuntu specifically) is making great strides in the direction of usability and features. There are a number of interesting utilities/software for Linux, but I am not sure that there is really that "killer app" that would drive people to it yet. The "App Store" (or whatever you want to call it on each platform) is also making it easier. I would say that also goes a long way toward making it easier for the average home user to begin to adopt Linux and Apple. Microsoft has seen this and is working to develop an AppStore also. The popularity of Android (and possible Meego also) may also have some impact on Linux (although it is a fork from the main OS), as Android may drive more people to develop Applications (games, Productivity Applications, etc...) that have the possibility of be compiled for various Linux distros. It will be interesting to see if Linux vendors embrace Android (and Vice Versa) and they help each other move the OS forward as a whole.
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@jkohut GNU/Linux may not have a "killer app" but it does have a killer overall philosophy. At any moment I can find a tool to do almost whatever I need to do at little or no cost... just a download. No arguments about GNU/Linux not running ALL of the programs designed for other OS's. It doesn't. Reading this article though I had to wonder: if you can install Windows via a virtual machine to run the few mission critical apps that don't run on GNU/Linux ... shouldn't Windows be the machine you only use occasionally? This may not be true for this author but I'll bet it is true for many. In my experience it has been.
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@K_REY_C Exactly my thoughts. I have been running Ubuntu now for years and I go to MS Windows occasionally via a virtual box.
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RE: Ubuntu Linux: I Like It, It Doesn't Like Me
Loverock Davidson 16th Aug 2010
Thank you for this article! Another proven case of a linux failure and how it is NOT suitable for the desktop (or for anything for that matter). I plan to read many more artiles like this. The numerous issues you pointed out have been going on for years but the linux community has not listened. These are the same complaints that were made 10 years ago. I can't believe no one in the linux community has bothered to fix these issues yet.

Given your needs there is no reason for you to switch to linux. The software isn't available and you can find your Microsoft Windows equivalents quite easily.

Don't forget that you have to compile compile compile! Want a new kernel? Gotta configure and compile! Also, Ubuntu is the least secure operating system out there. As one of the linux advocates mentioned here many times, it requires a third party add-on just to make it secure. And linux leaves the telnet port open making your computer exposed to the whole world.

With Ubuntu you are locked into just one vendor and its repositories. I like having choice so linux is not for me. Its also great to be able to play sounds, multiple at a time, watch videos, and do just about anything I want to do with my choice of operating system. If you use linux you are limited with all these.

Enjoy your kernel panics, I'll be over here using my computer for its intended purposes.
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@Loverock Davidson
You keep getting funnier! Keep up the good work! How is your MSFT stock doing?
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RE: Ubuntu Linux: I Like It, It Doesn't Like Me
Loverock Davidson 16th Aug 2010
@kirovs@...
I would say pretty good considering I don't own any Microsoft stock, so no losses! happy
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@kirovs@...
I wonder how his linux stock doing???
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@windozefreak

Linux stock? You are clueless.

But Red Hat stock is rising constantly, RHT is over $35 today. While MSFT is in low $20 and going down. Sucks to be a Microsoft shareholder... or a fanboy... or a user for that matter.
@Loverock Davidson
Ha Ha! Very funny. So on Windows, what do you do when you want a new kernel, download an exe and double click on it?
Ubuntu is the 'least secure operating system out there'? Just point me to one, JUST ONE, virus or worm that affected a significant number of Ubuntu users. Just one. I'll wait.
'With Ubuntu you are locked into just one vendor and its repositories.' Not really, it is trivial for any vendor to create ppa repositories for their own packages if they wanted to. Case in point, the google repos at www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html. Actually, it is only on GNU/Linux that you have true choice. If I don't like the Gnome desktop environment, I can mix it up using Compiz/Beryl, etc or swap out components like replace Nautilus with Konqueror, Thunar, etc; or even use a totally different desktop environment altogether - KDE, LXDE, etc.
It's really hard to understand your unbridled hatred for everything Linux, I don't even know why I bothered replying.
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RE: Ubuntu Linux: I Like It, It Doesn't Like Me
Loverock Davidson 16th Aug 2010
@ndubi
In Microsoft Windows you don't need spend hours configuring and compiling to update the kernel. Microsoft creates a new one and you download it as part of the monthly patches, and that's assuming there is anything wrong with it.
Ubuntu is insecure out of the box, linux has worms. Also, that's not the major threat, the threat is people backdooring into linux, especially with telnet being wide open. According to the local linux advocate on these boards you are supposed to only use the signed repositories at ubuntu's servers, thus you are locked in. Me, I like having choice and Microsoft Windows provides that. I can go to any vendor and download and install their software.
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Why do you guys feed the trolls?
sysop-dr 16th Aug 2010
NT
@ndubi

Its really simple, he owned SCO stock. "nuff said
@ndubi yeah, you took the bait.

@ Loverock Davidson; c'mon, man, a new name and a new shtick already. This one's so stale a mummy would pass it up.
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@ndubi
"It's really hard to understand your unbridled hatred for everything Linux, I don't even know why I bothered replying. "
Linux is cramping the value of his MSFT stocks...
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@Loverock Davidson

quote: "linux has worms"

First off, it shouldn't go walking around barefoot where the dogs do their 'business.' Most human infections are caused this way.

Secondly, if you keep the fleas off you prevent 95% of all these cases, if the dogs don't have worms, you could outright eat their poop and not acquire worms.

Cats rarely transmit worms to human hosts, such cases are almost entirely due to under cooking.

To de-worm the unfortunate critters that end up with them:

for cats: http://www.1800petmeds.com/Drontal-prod10073.html

dogs: http://www.1800petmeds.com/Drontal+Plus-prod10346.html

...for your exotics like lemurs and emus, go with the dog, and dose according to weight.

To prevent almost all these problems use frontline: http://frontline.us.merial.com/

An amazing product, it's systemic, not topical. It prevents ticks from embedding as well, (though this is off label) which prevents another whole host of problems, for example viruses.

Not much you can do about spam though. The cats will steal it off your plate, and unless you crate them the dogs will hound you until it's gone, maybe up to the point of drying the dishes and stacking them away.

Best just not to let any of them in the dining room when you're having spam. And need I say it is terribly gauche to have your emu or even platypus inside the house during dining hours?
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@ndubi

I can name 4, just by going to Symantec's website. There are PLENTY of viruses and worms out there for Ubuntu, but the REAL issue is that with various things being wide open in networking, there is NO NEED FOR A DAMNED VIRUS in most cases!
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@Loverock Davidson

Given that you posted alot of rather false and/or severely outdated claims, I'm just going to assume that you were paid to post this, or otherwise you're a hateful, anti-social MS fanatic who looks like the author of this article. "Locked into one vendor"? Um, the author ran software that wasnt even designed for his operating system. How is that locked in?

Just shut up.
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RE: Ubuntu Linux: I Like It, It Doesn't Like Me
Loverock Davidson 16th Aug 2010
@Wodenhelm
Did you read the same article I did? The author explained what was wrong with linux and he did this just recently so these claims are not false or outdated. As explained earlier, with linux your locked in because your only supposed to use the signed repos. You can't go to any vendor you want and install their software like you can with Microsoft Windows.

Just shut up.
Make me. The truth about linux needs to be heard. If you want to bury your head in the sand by all means go ahead. I will be waking the rest of the world up.
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trouble finding Linux
pgit 16th Aug 2010
http://www.kaspersky.com/news?tnews=20140&page=1

I'm having trouble finding Linux in there. I suppose that means Linux sucks because it didn't make the list. =(
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@Loverock Davidson

"Only supposed to use the signed repositories"... Well that's your first mistake (listening to one person, and not researching the topic yourself). Yes, it's recommended that you only keep the "signed ubuntu repositories" in your permanent list. However, you are welcome to add ANY signed repository (regardless of vendor or server) as needed. There's no requirement that you take them out afterwards, although it's recommended.

I agree with you though. It's better to be able to go anywhere and download ANY executable. After all, you can't easily get a virus when the executable is under lock and key (in a signed repository). NOTE I SAID EASILY!!

But, if you really want choice on Ubuntu, fine. Go find a .bin file or a .deb file, and install it. It's not that difficult to open a command prompt and type ./filename.bin or dpkg -i filename.deb and install to your heart's content.

And for your compile comment earlier: If it requires compiling, there's usually an INSTALL file (text file) that tells you exactly what to type. In fact, you can (gasp!) Copy and Paste the commands from the file to the command line. And it also tells you what dependencies you may need to install first.

It's ok though... You keep telling people to run Windows, and just download whatever they want and install it (virus-laden software included). Those of us who have our heads in the sand will sit back and wait for people to start looking at a few factors:

Cost Windows $200+ Linux $0 (possibly Tech Support fees if you want to sign up for them)
Viruses Windows 24,000+ (I'm low-balling this) Linux 4 that only affect routers and other embedded devices... NONE for the desktop or server.

Patrick.
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Cripes man
Rabayn 16th Aug 2010
@Loverock Davidson

When is the last time you actually ran a Linux system? Most of your Linux features "hate list" is over 10 years old. There are PLENTY of reason's to not like Linux, but pretty much everything you listed hasn't been a problem for a long time (if it ever was).

You don't have to compile a thing unless you have very specific needs, Linux can be, and is by default on a lot of distros, locked down security wise VERY tightly with SELinux; no need of any "3rd party" tools. I'm not even sure what you are defining by 3rd party on a Linux distro. Multiple sounds and videos play just dandy on Linux, and have for years. In fact, I have had to use a Linux system to play videos that refused to play on Windows no matter what codec I used.

Now, for actually problems with Linux. It is a big mish mashed pile of libraries and apps, that may or may not get along with libraries and apps you want to install. Backward compatibility is mostly an after thought, if it is given a thought at all. The whole Linux environment is completely hostile to closed source and binary distribution in general. This makes installing an app that isn't in the repository a complete pain. Apps go in and out of fashion, which is really annoying when you find your favorite media player, editor, whatever is replaced with some unfinished flavor of the month app every other distro release.

I mean seriously, Linux gives you plenty to whine about, so why not complain about valid points rather than rehash some 1990's bullet points?
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RE: Ubuntu Linux: I Like It, It Doesn't Like Me
Loverock Davidson 16th Aug 2010
@Rabayn
Because those points are over 10 years old and still have not been addressed. That is pretty embarrassing for the linux community.
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He can't help it
Economister 16th Aug 2010
@Rabayn

His ability to learn and reason is severely impaired. In his world, 2+2 is not four. Ignore him or humor him. He is not worth a serious and reasoned response. You could call him a troll, but he isn't clever enough to be one.
@Rabayn quote: "... This makes installing an app that isn't in the repository a complete pain. Apps go in and out of fashion, which is really annoying when you find your favorite media player, editor, whatever is replaced with some unfinished flavor of the month app every other distro release.

I mean seriously, Linux gives you plenty to whine about, so why not complain about valid points rather than rehash some 1990's bullet points?

The first one is getting better, for example skype provides a limited few pre-packaged versions but also a "static" package that works well on every system I've loaded it on. This problem is getting close to a 50-50 proposition, some odd tarball will or will not work...

As for apps going bye-bye, yes. It seems 5 or 6 of the apps I came to love and rely upon were dumped by the developers. Songbird is one of the latest and highest profile of these. But there have been a couple of simple tools I have used over the years that rode off into the sunset.

In all cases there are a dozen other options, the only difference is I may have liked where a button was, what was on a menu or the such. I have never been impacted in functionality, quite the opposite. There's too much choice with Linux sometimes.

Yes there is plenty to whine about and it would be nice if Mr. Davidson would update his bile. If he hangs on to those arguments long enough he'll end up with kidney stones.
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@Loverock Davidson

Wow, the Windows kernel isn't compiled? It's a bit slower executing some stuff, but I wouldn't have guessed it's because you have to run a not compiled kernel!

You've never wondered how some code can become useful and work on anything from i386 to x86_64? Not? Then it could be useful to actually look up what a compiler is meant for.

Still a good laugh. Keep it coming!
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RE: Ubuntu Linux: I Like It, It Doesn't Like Me
Loverock Davidson 16th Aug 2010
@KimTjik
I didn't say the Microsoft Windows kernel wasn't compiled. Go back and read it again.
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stop feeding the trolls!
blackrussian@... 16th Aug 2010
@KimTjik and others : please, stop. they are just itching to start a holly war...

On topic: the problem with Ubuntu and other linux distros is their newbie users, who instead of whining about incompatibilities of this app or that, should actually stand up and demand from application vendors better support for *nix. Case in point -- Gotomeeting vs (Webex and HP virtual rooms). I started to refuse to talk to vendors who ask me to use GoTo* software, simply because it's not compatible with my Ubuntu. While Webex and HP virtual rooms are just fine. You want my business -- cater to my needs.
Wake up and stand up, people! Unless we make our demands clear, vendors will not move a iota to support linux or even wine.
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Yes it is ..
thx-1138_@... Updated - 17th Aug 2010
@KimTjik .. laughable (.. and more often than not hilarious).

"Wow, the Windows kernel isn't compiled?"

.. on the subject of kernels, if L.D were a kernel he wouldn't (and almost definitely couldn't) be compiled .. he'd compound .. like the endless, 'pointless waffle' he posts.

"...I think it speaks of the 'duality of man', sir ..."

.. i had to throw that line from a movie in - it just sent off alarm bells as soon as i read your post. In L.D's case, it about sums him up perfectly: he's both 'funny ha-ha' and 'funny dumb' (but obviously only a little of the former ... and a *damn sight more* of the latter).

".. War is hell .."
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RE: ...using my computer for its intended purposes
fatman65535 Updated - 16th Aug 2010
@Loverock Davidson

Do you mean as a `malware magnet`??????

Windoze in all of incarnations is essentially a `malware magnet`. Perhaps you forgot about the most recent pwnage issue - something to do with rigged icons. Just browse to a folder with a rigged icon, and bam! - you are pwned!

Now to the FUD that you are locked into a vendor's repositories; I suggest that you take a suppository, and use it for the purpose intended. Because, quite frankly, you need it.

If I were LOCKED into only the Ubuntu repository, i guess there is no way my version of Firefox could read:

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b3pre) Gecko/20100802 Minefield/4.0b3pre

Because there is no way in h--- Ubuntu would have a beta of Firefox in its repository.

BTW, the OTHER Firefox version I have on this machine is the latest NIGHTLY.

BTW, don't forget, that once you take that suppository, you need to stay very close to a bathroom; because once it its, you get the s---s!
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RE: Ubuntu Linux: I Like It, It Doesn't Like Me
Loverock Davidson 16th Aug 2010
@fatman65535
No, I mean as a computer. Microsoft Windows lets me do everything I could possibly think of without having to recompile, reconfigure, or generally mess around with editing files that one is not supposed to do. You might want to take a step back on your pwnage statements, because I have one word for you: psyb0t. That's right, it was a huge linux vulnerability.

And being locked into the vendor was the words of your linux advocate. Take it up with him. I'm just repeating what he told me.
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@fatman65535 Would that other nightly be

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12pre) Gecko/20101008 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Namoroka/3.6.12pre

by chance? I discovered it when I went to update Thunderbird from Mozilla's repository... Oh wait, that must be Ubuntu's repository, since we're locked in...
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Who needs to compile?
Corfy 16th Aug 2010
@Loverock Davidson
I've run Linux for 5+ years, and have been running Ubuntu for over four of those years. Never once have I compiled a kernel (I wouldn't even know how), and only once did I compile a program (I didn't really even need the program, it was just a test to see if I could... I don't even remember what the program was, and since I have gotten a new computer since then, I can safely say I don't have it anymore). And if you read the post above carefully, he doesn't say anything about compiling.

As for being "locked in" to the repositories, if I'm locked in, do me a favor and throw away the key.

As for Ubuntu being "the least secure operating system out there," tell that to my dad. He recently caught some malware on his Windows computer (one of those fake anti-virus programs). I ran Malwareybytes' Anti-Malware on his computer. That seemed to clean it, but a couple days later, it was back. I ran Malwarebytes' in conjunction with Spybot: Search and Destory. That seemed to clean it, but it came back a few days later. I then spent a couple days running Malwarebytes, Spybot, Ad-Aware, Malicious Software Removal Tool, SuperAntiSpyware, CCleaner, Spyware Blaster, and a few other programs just to get the stupid thing cleaned (oh, I forgot to mention he was already running up-to-date McAfee). Talk about your "third party add-ons." (Oh, and I will also add that he was up-to-date on his Windows updates.) So far, he has gone a week without being infected. We'll see if that holds. If it doesn't, he's getting Linux on his computer whether he likes it or not. In the meantime, I'm still waiting for my first Linux infection.
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Install MSE
Cylon Centurion 16th Aug 2010
@Corfy

If that doesn't do it, then he isn't paying attention to what he is doing. My dad is the same way. Get that McAffee garbage off of his system.
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RE: Ubuntu Linux: I Like It, It Doesn't Like Me
Loverock Davidson 16th Aug 2010
@Corfy
I've run Linux for 5+ years, and have been running Ubuntu for over four of those years.
Sorry to hear that. Guess some people like to be punished.

If you didn't compile your kernel then you are not up to date and your linux is even more vulnerable than normal. The malware was probably installed from a Google search leading him to the wrong site. You cleaned it, then he went back to the site and got it again. Although that is not really a vulnerability because you have to give permission to run those types of things in Microsoft Windows. You could of course set the security in IE properties higher.

In the meantime, I'm still waiting for my first Linux infection.
Watch out for psyb0t.
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@Corfy
Best thing I ever did was wipe windows off my uncle's computer and install ubuntu. Not only was it full of crapware from sony and best buy, and not only was it really slow from having to run norton on it,... but, the family tech support squad (me), had to make a trip to his house once a month with a live CD to clean out the gunk. Finally, he called me in a panic because a virus had rendered his computer unbootable . I came down to his house with a live ubuntu cd and an external drive and easily saved all his files. I then proceeded to reformat and install ubuntu and he loves it. It's been about 5 months and now when we get together, it's to hang out and talk, not to degunk his computer. In fact he is blown away by how fast his computer is. Especially online because I installed chromium. He has all the programs he needs with no compromises, Open Office, chromium, thunderbird, vlc, ardour, and rythmbox.

I recently helped him upgrade to Ubuntu 10.04 which includes a kernel upgrade. Guess what? A single-click and a password verification later and he has the latest version of Ubuntu. No lost files, no recompiling the kernel, no backing up, no re-installing programs or searching for drivers, and no having to re-set settings. His Epson printer and scanner worked perfectly without any tinkering.
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@Corfy Someone tells him the exact same thing you did, almost everyday. Please don't feed the trolls.
@Loverock Davidson

Then why is Linux being adopted in the mobile and server markets?

I use Ubuntu and Windows at home. Both fulfill different needs... maybe Ubuntu fills other peoples needs as well. There is a large community of Desktop users, all with their different purposes. Maybe Linux doesn't meet your desktop needs and that is a fair statement. But for you to assume an understanding of all computer user's needs is not.
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RE: Ubuntu Linux: I Like It, It Doesn't Like Me
Loverock Davidson 16th Aug 2010
@mtonnies
I haven't seen linux adopted on the server market. I make sure none of mine run linux due to its insecurity. For mobile space the phone manufacturers are trying to be cheap but its going to backfire. You are right, I don't understand every computer user's needs but I understand there is no need for linux.
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@Loverock Davidson You are actually Scott Raymond, the ZDnet blogger. It all makes sense now. You write an article about an OS (it completely doesn't matter which), then as Loverock you post a big troll-flavored-flamebait thingy.

Next comes the people charging in to defend their OS of choice and a flamewar ensues. All of this drives up the number of posts on Scott's blog, advertisers are happy, ZDnet happy, Trolls happy.

Not bad, very well done.

Now, can we move on to a more serious topic? Ginger or Mary Ann?
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@caspianhiro I don't know if I should be insulted that you think he's me, or flattered that I have his level of notoriety. Unlike him, I have a full-time job and don't have the free time to endlessly troll tech blogs and forums every day.
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RE: Ubuntu Linux: I Like It, It Doesn't Like Me
Loverock Davidson 16th Aug 2010
@caspianhiro
Wow, that's pretty interesting considering I've been posting on ZDNet for years before Scott Raymond ever wrote anything.
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@caspianhiro

Loverock is just holding court. At times he does it quite well. For more heightened fireworks, wait till Linux Advocate Dietrich shows up to pay his respects. wink

Scott's a recent pilgrim around these parts, and from what I've observed, simply calls them as he sees them -- without any particular axe to grind.
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I think Ubuntu right now does about everything I want from it.
I had Win7 64 bit running until my system crashed and I installed a new disk. Win 7 refused to install and instead of going thru the microsoft rigmarole of re validating my win7 disk I went with Ubuntu and never looked back.
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