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Ryan Naraine, Emil Protalinski and Dancho Danchev

Fake Microsoft patch malware campaign makes a comeback

By | August 4, 2009, 4:22pm PDT

Summary: During the last couple of hours, a fake Microsoft patch themed malware campaign was restarted by its botnet masters, once again spamming a  non-existent Update for Microsoft Outlook / Outlook Express (KB910721) as officexp-KB910721-FullFile-ENU.exe detected as VirTool:Win32/Obfuscator.FO. Some of the subjects used in the campaign include Microsoft has released an update for Microsoft Outlook; Install Critical [...]

During the last couple of hours, a fake Microsoft patch themed malware campaign was restarted by its botnet masters, once again spamming a  non-existent Update for Microsoft Outlook / Outlook Express (KB910721) as officexp-KB910721-FullFile-ENU.exe detected as VirTool:Win32/Obfuscator.FO.

Some of the subjects used in the campaign include Microsoft has released an update for Microsoft Outlook; Install Critical Update for Microsoft Outlook; and Microsoft Outlook Critical Update.

These particular botnet masters have also been actively multitasking during the last two months, having launched a Chase phishing campaign, another one this time themed with a “Who Killed Michael Jackson?” message, as well as a phishing campaign impersonating the United Services Automobile Association.

The fast-flux botnet also acts as a good example of why end users shouldn’t interact with spam messages in general, since the Michael Jackson themed campaign was attempting to infect the users who clicked on the spam link by using an Office Snapshot Viewer exploit.

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RE: Fake Microsoft patch malware campaign makes a comeback
birumut Updated - 29th Apr 2011
Great!! ! thanks for sharing this information to us!
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and many linux machines are, oblivious to the user, participants in botnets.

http://lwn.net/Articles/222153/


http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=10251
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We can feel your pain. Windows pain. It must be hard to stomach, the thought of all those ordinairy Joe and Jill PC owners, getting their machines infected by the untold thousands.

But really, linking to an article that's two years four months old? That the best you can do to divert attention from TODAY'S WIndows drop off?

Have you any idea what a field day we could have talking about Windows exploits that happened over two years ago?

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The original article may be old but
peterharding@... 5th Aug 2009
the threat has resurfaced, as I had one of these e-mails only two days ago to an old email address which is on the spammers lists.

All users should be made aware that this sort of threat is still about.
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Yes I do have more recent Linux Botnet news.....
xuniL_z Updated - 5th Aug 2009
But would it matter to you?
Your motive here is clear. to say anything you can to harm Microsoft.
And you do so with total disregard for the safety of the internet and the world's computer systems in general and the weaknesses that exist across the board.
You say these are from 2007. windows main OS in 2007 was Vista. Do you have a "field day" of Vista bot net stories do you?
Ok, here are some more recent ones, as if it matters. (and Peter is right, they are still around )


http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/pipermail/plug-discuss/2008-March/058345.html

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16635/53/

http://www.h-online.com/security/Sophos-Linux-machines-hijacked-for-botnets--/news/110132

To return to 2007 for a moment, another piece here that shows the security person at Washington Mutual, who was for a month the largest phishing target in the U.S. and they also report that the majority of machines were also root-kitted Linux boxes.

How about 2009?

http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Psyb0t-Attacks-Linux-Routers-Update


there are many more links I could post here, bu the point is, botnets are not just in the Windows domain as you would like people to believe. Unix, Linux and OS X can be hacked via several various methods. The scary part is with linux, it's servers or network devices that are being compromised.

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It their clients, typically Windoze-based and vulnerable.

No clarification, necessary. I did it for you.
What would anyone expect from you I guess is the answer.
It's funny that Ebay and Washington Mutual both found the affected boxes to be Linux, and not Windows.

But in your little world, that means Windows.


You perhaps need a nap.
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Hey, the FUD alerts keep me awake
Wintel BSOD Updated - 5th Aug 2009
Let's see, from 2-3 years ago...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/03/ebay_paypal_online_banking/

Mentions Linux "rootkits" but doesn't tell us which ones.

And in this article...

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=296

The following is mentioned...

"I'd be interested in some evidence suggesting, with a bit more validity, that the majority of phishing botnet nodes are Linux boxes, but I'm afraid this doesn't qualify, based on the scant information provided by the sensationalistic presentation in today's Register article."

And then we have this...

http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-central/ebay-phishing-likely-blame-members-data-theft-715

1,200 ebay members affected by phishing attack. Nowhere is Linux even mentioned in that article.

Guess which OS those 1,200 members are using?

~

Which once again tells us that FUD is all around. No further clarification, necessary.

Next...
Cullinane's experience with phishing goes back to his previous employer, Washington Mutual, which has been one of the top phishing targets in the US.
While there, he noticed an unusual trend when taking down phishing sites.
"The vast majority of the threats we saw were root-kitted Linux boxes, which was rather startling. We expected Microsoft boxes," he said.


From same article about Ebay where they discovered the majority of root-kitted sites were also Linux.

perhaps you need reading comprehension, it's not saying the 1200 were Linux boxes doof, it's saying the "Compromised Sites" were Linux.


And you promptly ignored every link that showed evidence of increasing Linux botnets.


You also didn't feel you needed to mention the Embedded Linux in Routers being infected with root-kits and running a broadband Botnet...all thanks to good Ol' Embedded Linux.


I'm sure you secretly already have but just in case, you better go scan all linux boxes you own for root kits.


And stay away from ALL PHP sites.
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Because they're all fake, that's why
Wintel BSOD Updated - 6th Aug 2009
And you pretty much ignored my links to refute that.

1,200 ebay members mean 1,200 M$ Windoze desktops to access those sites. Again, trying to be vague, huh... Doh...

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Bottom line is you still have no actual proof of any specific exploits. It's all just a lot of hearsay FUD designed to discredit anything that isn't M$.

You really are desperate, aren't you... lol... grin
are liars and don't know what they are saying.
Yes, I'm sure they are anti-Linux radicals.


Wait, that doesn't exist, only your blind and ignorant belief that only Windows has security problems.

Linux botnets are very dangerous.
Not to mention the Linux boxes hacked and national security information stolen that sets the free world back 20 years.

Yes, and the embedded Linux found in many routers that is currently highly infected and a linux botnet is just a made up story by the anti-Linux people too.
Unfortunately for your, even the Linux sites have acknowledged every one of these claims.


But keep chirping away, I'm sure you are well respected as an authority on here.
LOL!!!
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...for whatever personal or professional reasons. And I'm here to let people know that.

Don't like it? Tough...
and is just one big Anti-MS circle J*rk with people like you. Every day, there is not a responsible post to be had from ANY non windows user in any Windows blog. They are filled, every single time with FUD spreaders and those spreading DISINFORMATION about Microsoft as their Life's ambition.

I'm here to stop that, and also show that all software is open to problems and that REAL People can't listen to your king that Linux is perfect and then get NAILED because they bought into your lies.


I'm here to stop you every inch of the way.


If you don't like it, tough.

Here is an example of Slashdot mentality:
Red Hat has announced that the U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) saved the federal government more than $15 million in datacenter operating and upgrading costs by migrating to Red Hat Enterprise Linux. The FAA executed a major systems migration to Red Hat Enterprise Linux in one-third of the original scheduled time and with 30 percent more operational efficiency than the previous system."


Of course the article it's from is a Red Hat Advertisement and they are pukes and Afraid to tell you the PREVIOUS system was an old and aging Unix one.
They want people like you to read that and "ASSume" it was Windows.


What a sorry site this has been and continues to be as they let people like you invade MS blogs where people like me want to discuss the subject with peers, but it's like trying to have a discussion with little children in the room who have all been give a dozen candy bars.
You don't see that, but that is EXACTLY what it is like.


BTW, how's things in sunny CA?

got people killed.

http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2006/faa.html



I wonder if they are using P erfect H ackers Portal for their web pages. Probably.

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Feel better?
Wintel BSOD 7th Aug 2009
Get it off your chest?

Want a hug?

lol... grin

I am Here to spread the Truth, which this site SORELY lacks...

You mean the alleged viruses, malware, trojans etc... that Linux allegedly has but you still can't come with anything specific, right?

and is just one big Anti-MS circle J*rk with people like you. Every day, there is not a responsible post to be had from ANY non windows user in any Windows blog. They are filled, every single time with FUD spreaders and those spreading DISINFORMATION about Microsoft as their Life's ambition.

Look who's talking. Don't ya think you should practice what you preach before looking our way? It would kinda help with your credibility, ya know...

I'm here to stop that, and also show that all software is open to problems and that REAL People can't listen to your king that Linux is perfect and then get NAILED because they bought into your lies.

I never said Linux was perfect. It just doesn't have the security problems that Windoze has and you Redmond shills just can't stand that, can you?

Therefore, you go out of your feeble and frustrating way to discredit it with a lot of hearsay and innuendo that can't be documented.
Just mention lots of vulnerabilities created in testing labs but little in actual real life instances.

Of course the article it's from is a Red Hat Advertisement and they are pukes and Afraid to tell you the PREVIOUS system was an old and aging Unix one.

Which if brand new, would probably be safer in today's environment than even IIS, Viista and Win7 put together.

That's what happens when you use commercially available Win32 software on critical systems. You open yourself up to the same things most of today's home users are open to.

They want people like you to read that and "ASSume" it was Windows.

Well when one controls over 90%+ of today's desktop market, what other conclusions would one come to? That's the price you pay for being too big, now isn't it...

Isn't that part of the "security by obscurity" you guys flagellate yourselves all the time with? Only now it's turned upside down back at you.

What a sorry site this has been and continues to be as they let people like you invade MS blogs where people like me want to discuss the subject with peers...(snip)

No, what you want is a one-sided discussion where only the Windoze point of view is presented at the exclusion of everything else. There are plenty of M$ blogs like here...

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/blogs/PortalHome.mspx

or...

http://blogs.msdn.com/

...where you can get your message across. I'll bet they'd thank you for it, too.

RED HAT LINUX Runs FAA Air Traffic Control and was hacked, which almost got people killed.

There's no proof Red Hat was hacked. There was no schedule of when it was going to fully implemented that was posted in your link there. In fact, there was no mention of Red Hat in any of the links I posted. You're only jumping to conclusions because the FAA said it would implement Red Hat in the future. It still tells us absolutely nothing about what exactly occurred.
You still call the long long list of articles chronicling it "vague". And even if it weren't, it's still *n*x systems that are getting hacked. DARPA DINOSAURS.

But i'm not going to play your game. No I don't want a one sided conversation, that's what you and your cronies have wanted and obsessively posted for, for years now, relentlessly. With barely any feedback in the opposite direction. It's time the Other side is Heard.


Anyone can Google, or better yet, BING FAA LINUX 2006 and find dozens of articles from anything from your favorite Government sites to many other reputable online publications that state the upgrade was done.
From Darpa Dinosaur, to Barney the Dinosaur(Linux).
Wow what a safe move.


"Seeing windows has such a large marketshare you should expect people to assume".
No, I expect Red Hat to print the truth and tell us they replaced DARPA DINOSAURS.
But then you and your technology is all about hiding the truth and spreading FUD. We all know it.
Your nic reveals your Desperation and it's hilarious!!


So the Linux run Air Traffic Control system was HACKED. What a surprise! Well to me it wasn't but anyone that listenst you and your religious freaks preach Linux would be realizing you are a Charlton, a fake who only knows how to misrepresent and spread FUD.

As for the "look whose talking" comment, well I've never done this before. I'm just showing that it's time to stop the FUD and sperad the truth for a change even on ZDNET FUD factory for anti-MS zealots.


Try all you want to deflect the Truth, but it's there for everyone to see if they BING "Linux FAA 2006" and you should embrace the truth, it will finally set you free from your life of deceipt and lies. Try it.

Write your congressman and let him know it's time to throw out UNIX and it's Derivitives like LINUX and Move to the most SECURE system on the planet.....Vista or Windows 7 NOW!!!!!

That says it all, shill... LOL.... grin

Still no definitive proof.

No specific mention of what variant of bonet made the attack.

No specific mention of what computer system was specifically attacked.

In other words, you still have nothing but a bunch of assumptions and unsubstantiated conclusions to draw from. And with all the CAPITAL WORDS in your previous two rantings, I can only conclude you are the one who's desperate.

And now I'm supposed to use garbage like Bing over Google to do my searches?

lol... grin Funny widdle shill...

Don't want to miss out on that Ballmer bonus come Monday, eh...

lol again... grin
You get funnier by the minute, with your back against the wall and the truth actually coming down on you.


You've felt that Zdnet.com was a safe haven for terrorists...err...I mean darpa dinosaur derivitive religious radicals who think crashing every windows or MS related blog is somehow "right" and "just".


Sorry but the Truth police are here and your ass is busted, shill.

LOL!!!

devil

How funny it is to watch a shill squirm with the truth slapped in his face.

LOL! happy

Keep it coming funny man. It's too late as anyone that's read these has seen for themselves, using BING most likely, the best search engine and you'd be lying if you said you didn't like the absolutely tremendously well done images as the BING backgrounds, with cool mouseover links to information about the graphic if you find yourself interested.
It's search as search should have been all along with tools that allow you to see what a site has without actually visiting it.

And if you are using IE8, you can be assured taht running in protected mode protects you better than anything in the OSS world along with the world's best smart filter that independent study has shown finds 60% more bad sites than Chrome, Firefox or Safari.


Maybe someday you'll learn that technology is all aobut what it can be used for and not about whether the person who wrote is getting a paycheck or not.
It's a great and patriotic thing that they do. Jobs are great for everyone, of course and the MS ecosystem has created more jobs than all of the open source world has after 20 years by millions. The world's economy would collapse right now without the jobs from the IT sector feeding government revenues and providing Jobs to so many millions of hard working people.
Anyone against a company that has been a great steward of Jobs is obviously a socialist and should go find forums from France and other socialist nations to give their opinions on.
It's only seen as disgusting in the land of the free and the home of the brave.



DARPA DINOSAUR systems and DARPA DINOSAUR derivatives MUST DIE!!!!

MICROSOFT, May you live forever and keep bringing the world the best software as you've proven against all comers for 20 years.

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LOL... - You're funnier than Loverock Davidson
Wintel BSOD Updated - 10th Aug 2009
You're sure he's not your sock puppet? You sound just like him. lol...

Yes, I've been away for the weekend. Unlike you, I have a life besides sitting in front of keyboard all weekend, smelling my own body smell like you do.

You should get out more often, shill. And learn not to lie. M$ will not have a monopoly forever. People will be looking to alternatives in the future and Windoze may not be one of them.

Patriotic thing supporting them? You mean patriotic thing supporting you and your paycheck for coming on here week after week spreading FUD and hawking closed-source snake oil.

And try telling those 5,000 who were laid off earlier this year what "made in America" truly is and how they outsourced their jobs to India and all the H1-B visas they come to rely on for cheap labor.

MICROSOFT, May you live forever and keep bringing the world the best software as you've proven against all comers for 20 years.

Hey, you should put that on YouTube like all the other nuts do. I'm sure the world will appreciate it....

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Botnets, and internet safety
fatman65535 5th Aug 2009
Quote: But would it matter to you? Your motive here is clear. to say anything you can to harm Microsoft. And you do so with total disregard for the safety of the internet and the world's computer systems in general and the weaknesses that exist across the board.

Someone please stop me before I puke all over the keyboard!

If you want to make the internet safer, ban the use of Windoze and IE world wide. Then the internet will be quite a bit safer.

Now, to clean up this keyboard! Ughhhh!
that has cause any harm to people or stopped the economic systems of any country or gave away top secret national security information.


Oh wait, sorry, that last one did happen.
But wait...i'm just getting this new feed now.....hold on......oh my, it was Linux servers that were hacked and sensitive national security information was stolen from......wait....there is more.......oh man, they are saying now this information is a project that has been 15 years in the making and essentially puts the free world back 15 years in their fight against terrorism and the evil in the world.

Gee, thanks Linux!
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Gee. let's start with Conficker...
Wintel BSOD Updated - 6th Aug 2009
Please point to one Windows incident that has cause any harm to people or stopped the economic systems of any country or gave away top secret national security information.

Ok

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conficker

Impact in Europe

"Intramar, the French Navy computer network, was infected with Conficker on 15 January 2009. The network was subsequently quarantined, forcing aircraft at several airbases to be grounded because their flight plans could not be downloaded.[16]

The United Kingdom Ministry of Defence reported that some of its major systems and desktops were infected. The worm has spread across administrative offices, NavyStar/N* desktops aboard various Royal Navy warships and Royal Navy submarines, and hospitals across the city of Sheffield reported infection of over 800 computers.[17][18]

On 2 February 2009, the Bundeswehr, the unified armed forces of the Federal Republic of Germany reported that about one hundred of their computers were infected.[19]

An infection of Manchester City Council's IT system caused an estimated ?1.5m worth of disruption in Februrary 2009. Bosses have since banned the use of memory sticks and disabled USB drives; this is how the infection was believed to occur.[20]

A memo from the British Director of Parliamentary ICT informed the users of the House of Commons on 24 March 2009 that it had been infected with the worm. The memo, which was subsequently leaked, called for users to avoid connecting any unauthorized equipment to the network.[21]"


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Still desperate? lol... grin

I don't see Linux mentioned there.

I think you get the idea.
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The French Navy LOL !!!
xuniL_z Updated - 7th Aug 2009
Hey, want to buy a French rifle?
Never fired and only dropped once.

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There was a patch for that long ago and anyone that installed it was immune.

So it's MS's fault the French Navy *snicker* doesn't patch their software??

You are desperate. Now if you want a real breakdown of security and a real issue, look no further than hacked U.S. national defense computers and FAA computers, all running Linux where sensitive National security information was stolen at will from said Linux systems.

Or the funny one is where cannonical's own Ubuntu servers were hacked to attack other Ubuntu servers. Nice going Shuttleworth, you have a real group of admins there.
Still using PHP......or Pefect Hacking Portal.


Still desperate? LOL

happy

I think you get the idea.

oh, btw, Vista and Win7 are now being reported as the most secure systems (along with server 2k8). Deal with it. LOL
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Hey, you asked a foolish question....
Wintel BSOD 7th Aug 2009
...you got a professional answer. That has nothing to do with the French Navy's past or anything like that and you know it. You couldn't weasel your way out of Conficker's damage if you tried.

So why don't you stop trying to look like an idiot, k? Your attempts to defame Linux with false security accusations will get you nowhere.
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The FAA FUD
Wintel BSOD 7th Aug 2009
Oh yes.

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/38384

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/40351

Funny, no Linux or Unix mentioned there.

In fact, the government in their own report made no mention of Linux or Unix there either....

However, we do have this...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10236028-83.html

"In general, the nation's critical infrastructure is increasingly at risk as previously isolated and closed systems are moved to the Internet and commercial software, like Windows, is used, security experts have said."

Or even this atrocity right here...

http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=2275

Wow, no Viista for air traffic controllers?

http://callcenterinfo.tmcnet.com/news/2008/07/11/3541592.htm

Poor, poor Microshaft...

http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/11/federal-aviation-administration-cracked/

LOL... grin
That boycottnovell site sure is a humdinger for facts. Yep, it's full of statements like
Probably caused by Windows (regarding the FAA deal)
Here refute this dolt.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=FAA+Linux+2006&form=QBLH&qs=n

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Everything.

Let's have the truth about Linux.

It's obviously more insecure than Windows Vista or Windows 7. Most Linux geeks use P erfect H acking Portal for building websites which is majorally insecure.

It's time the TRUTH BE TOLD.

LINUX has been the cause of the U.S. most notorious DATA THEFTS.
But the entire article never mentions it was an upgrade from Unix and the Workstations STILL cost an exhorbant amount.



With WINDOWS they would have saved 100M or more and never had their Air Traffic system down, putting lives at risk.

People will Learn that Linux is not what it's cracked up to be, it's only cracked up.


There you go buddy, proof positive it was Linux servers.
Sorry for that dose of reality. I know you try to avoid that as much as possible.

http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2006/faa.html
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Getting excited, are 'we'?
Wintel BSOD 7th Aug 2009
That boycottnovell site sure is a humdinger for facts.

Well I'd trust it over the Mojave Experiment, that's for sure.

Yep, it's full of statements like
Probably caused by Windows (regarding the FAA deal)


What? That the FAA plans to migrate to Linux? Well good for them. Tells me they don't trust M$ very much any more. Oh wellll...

FAA uses UNIX and Mostly LINUX as of 2006. For EVERYTHING

No it doesn't. It just said they have plans to use it, that's all. Doesn't point to anything about the later hack other than your jumping to a conclusion. I really needed to repeate that for you, didn't I?

Besides, do you really think they?re going to abandon Windoze altogether?

It's obviously more insecure than Windows Vista or Windows 7. Most Linux geeks use Perfect Hacking Portal for building websites which is majorally insecure.

Gee, when I Google "Perfect Hacking Portal", I come up with this...

http://tinyurl.com/nb2op8

Really dude, I think you need to get out more often. Me thinks you've been indoors too much.

Lol... grin
Funny thing, I've never seen Microsoft.com down.


Why use Google to search for Perfect Hacking Portal or anything, obviously BING comes back with far more and far more relevant hits.
Why would any fool use Google any longer.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=Perfect+Hacking+portal&form=QBLH&qs=n
to Linsux.

from GCN.com

The Federal Aviation Administration has migrated its Unix-based traffic flow management system to Linux, allowing the agency to purchase lower-cost commodity servers. As a result, the agency cut the cost of this technology refresh to just under $10 million, a savings of $15 million, according to Joshua Gustin, TFM modernization program manager.


I can see where someone of your mental caliber would read this as "they are going to upgrade" but the facts are the Air Traffic control sysetm when from the old dinosaur to Linux.
And saved very little compared to what Windows would have saved them. br.
AND Windows would not have been hacked and taken offline to endanger all air traffic and thousands upon thousands of passengers.
WOW THANKS LINUX. FOR NOTHING.

WE NEED VISTA and WINDOWS 7 running our NATIONAL SECURITY SITES so they are not HACKED at will like with LINUX.
LINUX ADMINS don't even know enough to add strong passwords to their sites....and we are Talking National security sites.
The FREE WORLD's Security is Bleeding because of LINUX. Hackers around the world have the source code and know there are several easy ways to hack Linux, not to mention using PHP sites to gain control.

It's Time we Petition the Government to move National Security AWAY from the DARPA aged DINOSAURS and the LINUX that EMULATES THE DINOSAURS and bring in NEW MILLENIUM SECURITY via VISTA and WINDOWS 7.

Write your congressman and let him know it's time to throw out UNIX and it's Derivitives like LINUX and Move to the most SECURE system on the planet.....Vista or Windows 7 NOW!!!!!

IT's LIFE OR DEATH!.

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That says it all, shill... LOL....
Wintel BSOD 8th Aug 2009
Write your congressman and let him know it's time to throw out UNIX and it's Derivitives like LINUX and Move to the most SECURE system on the planet.....Vista or Windows 7 NOW!!!!!

That says it all, shill... LOL.... grin

Still no definitive proof.

No specific mention of what variant of bonet made the attack.

No specific mention of what computer system was specifically attacked.

In other words, you still have nothing. And with all the CAPITAL WORDS in your previous two rantings, I can only conclude you are the one who's desperate.

And now I'm supposed to use garbage like Bing over Google to do my searches?

lol... grin Funny widdle shill...

Don't want to miss out on that Ballmer bonus come Monday, eh...

lol again... grin
government shills like you, who claim MS software is expensive but sit idly by while the DARPA dinosaurs that cost American taxpayers Billions upon Billions just to come up with an old relic that has seen it's better days...yeah if taxpayers pay for Unix and therefore Linux you fine.
But you can't stand it when capitalism and basic supply and demand of the population, the process that has made the free world as strong as it is today, is nearly all Windows.
No government programs and mandates like the *n*x stuff.

Admit it troll, the days of C/C++ unmanaged old dinosaur code is over.

And Linux is showing anyone that can read( that obviously does not include you, unless the government stating straight up that air traffic flow and controls systems have been moved is somehow a statement of what is planned for some future date that still hasn't arrived LOL...what a dolt) that it's time to put the old DARPA dinosaur out to pasture and bring in technology of this millenium.

It's like someone like you to promote 50 year old code and put down 3 year old code that has been demonstrated as more secure because you hate the fact that the natural process of supply and demand makes Microsoft the winner.

You and you socialist ways are offended when the government is not in control of our lives, telling us what software to use and what we can say and not say and how we can dress and not dress.
You must LOVE Obama with his gigantic budget that he has not clue how to pay for.
Here is how ridiculous his middle class tax cut is: his administration made a statement that said they could now not promise the middle class tax relief beyond 2011 because they didn't know how they could PAY for it.
That's the problem with Obama and Socialism.
Tax Cuts are meant to be self sustaining you idiots. they are put in place to create new revenues taht sustain the tax cuts, it's not something to government "PAYS" for. Taht means they have the raise someone elses taxes beyond and reasonable measure to meet "Paying" for it because it's not self sustaining.

that is a great analogy of Linux. You and the Linux whiners cry that the OEMs won't give Linux away for you, and pay for the cost of loading and managing it, a little matter most Linux shills have no clue about because they only understand geekdom.
But at the same time, Not one, not ONE group in the OSS community has tried to build a Linux OEM and distribution channel of their own.

Why? No not because Bill Gates threatened to kill anyone that does, as you must think is the reason, what else woudl be stopping the market from supporting this wonderful linux, huh?
Well, it's not self sustaining. EVemn if a hundred like Shuttleworth pooled their money, they would just run out cause it's not self sustaining. It's a pure cost, no revenue proposition.

That is why not any soul in the OSS community has the brass to put up money for it...it's not monetizable.
Wheeeeeeee.....so lets pretend that MS's partners are obligated, for some bizarre reason to pay for Linux to be in the mix.

Lord, did you have to make so many of them, so dense and lacking any insight into reality and anything outside their own dogmatic radical ideas.

LINUX MUST DIE!!! Or it will allow Hackers to KILL US!!!

Microsoft Windows must replace the Dinosaur code of Unix and Linux and soon to stop the bleeding from the many Linux system hacks that have left us more unsecure than we've been since the height of the cold war. Even more insecure than that.
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What wall? LOL....
Wintel BSOD Updated - 10th Aug 2009
You sure your not Loverock? Your sock puppet? lol...

I don't work for the government but I'd like nothing better than to have Obama's JD look into M$, Intel and maybe Google and their predatory practices. In fact, I'd like to see them broken up into little pieces so free competition can truly flourish.

The rest of your rantings are the work of a nutjob, although I found this one funny....

LINUX MUST DIE!!! Or it will allow Hackers to KILL US!!!

BWHAW HAW HAW HAW HAW.... grin

My oh my, how insecure you must feel since Linux controls only 1% of the desktop worldwide. Which tells me David is having a GREAT EFFECT on the big, bad M$ Goliath. We aren't so insignificant after all.

more LOL... grin
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Linux botnet?
tmsbrdrs 15th Aug 2009
I've read that article. It's a router botnet.

Routers don't always run on Linux but they are always programmed at the factory, complete with default passwords.

Tell me, have you changed the default password on your router yet? Honestly, read the articles you post.
The most common problem with linux pc/routers they have remote admin enabled with weak passwords and did not have high security in mind.

Not so different from a user clicking on not-a-virus.exe from some web site, bypassing all the desktop OS security.

A large majority of those breaches could have easily been avoided by using a non-dictionary password or rate-limiting brute-force login attempts by a couple of lines in iptables.

Convenience over security is a desktop user mentality and sadly too common.
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nt
A desktop user to clicks on a web link to install a "michael-jackson.exe" is not very far off from a user who thinks he is an admin because they can set up a LAMP server - they are both very ignorant.

The desktop user is arguable the more dangerous, since the numbers are far higher (and more desirable by malware authors), any security can potentially be bypassed by simple social engineering.

The latter is simply slacking on performing updates to the OS and running apps.
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and your point is?
jedikitty@... 5th Aug 2009
nt.
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meh
Ronny102 5th Aug 2009
Stupid users deserve all the grief they can get.
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Problem is...
ejhonda 5th Aug 2009
Their PC becomes the bot menace we deal with.
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Stupid users
dmhunter@... 5th Aug 2009
Most of us were stupid users at some point in our lives. Very few of us were born experts. We all got help from other people that knew more than we did. Today we are the people that others look to for help.

So how about a little less attitude and more help?
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Great post
ebiron 5th Aug 2009
Thanks for saying it. Not only experts come on here for news and info, but also those wanting to learn more. You reaffirm that this is not just another site with users looking to flame newbies.
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Agreed!
kyn_67@... 5th Aug 2009
I got my first computer at the age of 12. That was in 1980, it was a c-vic20. So needless to say 30 years later I'm quite capable and knowledgable about all types of Os's. Too much flaming going on between MS fans and OSX fans and Linux fans. Fact is not everyone out their is thinking about wether or not he/she clicking on something that will download a virus/trojan/malware/etc. They just see something that either looks interesting, (news type stuff) or something designed to look like a windows warning or update link. In fact if it was not for that I would be working a different type job. I am mostly a Linux user, but as I said I've used them all. So how about all of the Knowledgeable techies in this forum not be so one sided and give the end user more of a break, not everyone is a PC Technician.
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Right on
jedikitty@... 5th Aug 2009
Indeed, excellent post - Thank you!
We, the "experts", keep telling the "users" how important it is to keep their computers up to date - latest drivers and patches. How are they supposed to know how to recognize every threat, every trojan, virus, spyware, malware, etc.? Indeed, they come to this forum for sound advice, not to be disrespected.
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Buy a book if you want to learn
Macintoshtoffy 5th Aug 2009
The reason why the internet is filled with ignorant half-wits is because
all their knowledge is piecemeal, contradictory and there is nothing
linking it all together in a coherent way.

Go down to the local book store, buy some books, and do some reading -
if you're so keen to learn, then nail down to those fundamentals first.
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Welcome to ZDNet...
JCitizen 6th Aug 2009
we need more members like you guys in this discussion forum.

I keep saying, I'll just ignore the flamers and maybe they will to away, but I've been guilty of losing it once and a while on here.

So I could use a little more couth too!
You are an ignorant fool - honestly, we were all ignorant but guess
what? some of us realised that ignorance and did something about it.
Instead of sitting back and doing nothing, we bought some books, we
started reading and educating ourselves.

It has nothing to do with 'less attitude' and more about people
empowering themselves by buying some books and teaching
themselves the basics. I'm quite happy to help people who
demonstrate the fact that they're helping themselves. If they take the
first move and are askign questions on what they have read - that they
want something clarified, I am more than happy to bend over
backwards and help people. When they are simply sitting there
expecting me to spoon feed them piece meal knowledge then forget
about it.
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Its really not the software its the bonehead users who will click on anything. As for the people who say Linux or Mac's don't get many maleware virus's think again folks they are out there. Getting back to the dumb users, there are people out there who just want to click instead of reading. You get a email from someone you don't know delete it folks. Its jsut that simple, if not these boneheads will be paying me big bucks to rebuild their systems. If you get one of these Malware or viurses just cleaning it will not do. the safe way is to rebuild. but what am I saying people buy computers and laptop not knowing how to recover there systems. The best part is the hackers know this they love wasting these people time because once they get their PC or laptop rebuilt they have already stolen their credit card number or SS number or any other information. Blame the users folks not us smart people who read these messages and know what to look out for.
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