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'Google even knows what you're thinking'

By | April 23, 2010, 8:39am PDT

Summary: Privacy advocate Moxie Marlinspike used the spotlight of the SOURCE conference here to call attention to Google’s data harvesting practices, warning that the search engine giant can mine information to figure out even what Web surfers are thinking about.

BOSTON — Privacy advocate Moxie Marlinspike used the spotlight of the SOURCE conference here to call attention to Google’s data harvesting practices, warning that the search engine giant can mine information to figure out even what Web surfers are thinking about.

During a presentation that discussed the changing threats to privacy, Marlinspike likened Google’s data collection to the Pentagon’s Total Information Awareness program and lamented that fact that it’s near impossible to avoid Google’s tentacles without “opting out of the social narrative.”

“They have an awful lot of data. They record everything.   They have your IP address, your search requests, the contents of every e-mail you’ve ever sent or received. They know the news you read, the places you go.  They’re even collecting real-time GPS location and DNS look-ups,” Marlinspike said.

“They know who you friends are, where you live, where you work, where you are spending your free time. They know about your health, your love life, your political leanings. They even know what you are thinking about,” Marlinspike added, warning that the company has found a way to control the terms of the privacy debate by offering what he described as fake anonymization. follow Ryan Naraine on twitter

He pointed out that the Google tool that gives users control of their privacy settings only shows some of the information that are most obviously connected to a Web user.  “It requires that you have an account, be logged in while using the services and maintain a persistent cookie.  It’s a brilliant move on their part.”

Convinced that he can’t opt out of using Google’s ever-present services, Marlinspike created an anti-snooping tool to sidestep the company’s data collection tentacles.

The tool, called GoogleSharing, is a Firefox add-on that mixes the requests of many different users together, such that Google is not capable of telling what is coming from whom.

GoogleSharing aims to do a few very specific things:

  1. Provide a system that will prevent Google from collecting information about you from services which don’t require a login.
  2. Make this system completely transparent to the user. No special websites, no change to yo ur work flow.
  3. Leave your non-Google traffic completely untouched, unredirected, and unaffected.

The GoogleSharing system consists of a custom proxy and a Firefox Add-on.  He said the  proxy works by generating a pool of GoogleSharing “identities,” each of which contains a cookie issued by Google and an arbitrary User-Agent for one of several popular browsers.

The Firefox Addon watches for requests to Google services from your browser, and when enabled will transparently redirect all of them (except for things like Gmail) to a GoogleSharing proxy. There your request is stripped of all identifying information and replaced with the information from a GoogleSharing identity.

This “GoogleShared” request is then forwarded on to Google, and the response is proxied back to you. Your next request will get a different identity, and the one you were using before will be assigned to someone else. By “sharing” these identities, all of our traffic gets mixed together and is very difficult to analyze.

Marlinspike said the GoogleSharing proxy even constantly injects false but plausible search requests through all the identities.

The result is that you can transparently use Google search, images, maps, products, news, etc… without Google being able to track you by IP address, Cookie, or any other identifying HTTP headers. And only your Google traffic is redirected. Everything else from your browser goes directly to its destination.

Marlinspike is also building a privacy tool to secure voice calls and SMS messages on mobile phones.  That tool, called Whisper Systems, will offer secure dialing via Phil Zimmermann’s ZRTP protocol and an Off-The-Record derived system to secure the privacy of text messages.

The mobile tools, which is being built for Android, will be available in a few weeks from Marlinspike’s ThoughtCrime.org website.

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Ryan Naraine is a journalist and social media enthusiast specializing in Internet and computer security issues. He is currently security evangelist at Kaspersky Lab, an anti-malware company with operations around the globe. He is taking a leadership role in developing the company's online community initiative around secure content management technologies.

Prior to joining Kaspersky Lab, Ryan was Editor-at-Large/Security at eWEEK, leading the magazine's and Web site's coverage of Internet and computer security issues and managing the popular SecurityWatch blog, covering the daily threats, vulnerabilities and IT security technologies. He also covered IT security, hacker attacks and secure content management topics for Jupiter Media's internetnetnews.com.

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RE: 'Google even knows what you're thinking'
gamoyun 15th Oct
@Cylon Centurion I also think Google uses our privacy data free and give not enough exchange! I'll also install it.
oyun
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Say no more..
Cylon Centurion 23rd Apr 2010
Installed.
@Cylon Centurion I also think Google uses our privacy data free and give not enough exchange! I'll also install it.
oyun
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Great Article! As a social media marketer I use the google tools to find, target, attract and sell to google users. This GoogleSharing tool is great for personal privacy and will most likely be a great tool for myself. The only worries I have is in the coming months, years. If your GoogleSharing takes hold or inspires other competent tools that the masses start to use, my job then becomes even more "FUN" aka difficult.

Good write up!

Gordon Green
gordon@weboptium.com
Weboptium LLC
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...when all of a sudden things seem to not be tailored to
you on the web anymore.

*shrugs*
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Tailored, how?
Bruizer 27th Apr 2010
Of course I don't live and breath Google Services except for search.
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Nice
OhTheHumanity 23rd Apr 2010
I like it.
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So wait a minute....
storm14k 23rd Apr 2010
To keep from sending your info to Google you send it to
another entity that you don't know much about that could
very well collect and use the data themselves? And not
only that they give the proxy away so others can fool you
into doing the same thing and collect your data as well?
Brilliant idea....smh
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Exactly
rlmrdl 23rd Apr 2010
My first thought.

Maybe we need the add-on to create a steady stream of fake requests to Google based on random text from pages linked from pages linked from pages you visit.

While they will still know you IP address it wont be worth squat.

Also, don't use only Gmail.
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storm14k, I agree with you on this.
Rama.NET 25th Apr 2010
What is the guarantee that the proxy is not collecting our data?
--Ram--
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Of course, Google doesn't know what we are thinking. They know what someone - or something - has typed at a keyboard. But they don't know much of anything in context, unless you have written everything you think into a google doc or email, etc. They don't know the names of all your friends - unless you have meticously entered every single person you consider a friend into your gmail contacts list. And so forth.

Of course, the more that you use google applications as the single source of all info about you, the more of that information they do have.

So create several email accounts, on different services, and silo your usage so that all info about, say, your kids is handled through email service A, while anything relating to work is handled through behind a company firewall, and anything relating to your sweater knitting hobby is handled through service c.

Make certain that you sign out of your accounts, and delete your cookies at the end of a session, and that's provided at least a bit of isolation for you.

Of course if you think that is more trouble than privacy is worth to you, then just keep everything in one place. That's just like keeping everything important in your home... as long as there's no flood/fire/earthquake/other natural disaster, you feel relatively safe. If however your home is robbed, and some of your stuff is stolen, then you begin to think about storing it in safe deposit boxes, storage units, etc. ...
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Why do I get the strange feeling there's an underlying tone of hysteria in Marlinspike's pronouncements? I doubt if Google - or anyone else, for that matter - can honestly say they know what I'm thinking. They can certainly make informed inferences, but to _know_? And furthermore, just because I may search on certain terms is not necessarily a measure of _why_ I was searching on those terms.

Given all that Google, Microsoft, and other data and information gathering instrumentalities know about my online behavior, I still don't think they really know everything there is to know about me. I'm not buying this paranoia.
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Well, I actually thought TIA was a great idea . . .
NeverLift Updated - 23rd Apr 2010
I'm not joking.

All the data that was to be collected was neither priviledged nor the result of monitoring activities in which the person being monitored had the legally described -- and restricted -- "expectation of privacy."

There are a lot of "civil libertarians" who prefer their own interpretation of the Constitution and its amendments to their true meanings. For example, "freedom of association" means just that; you are free to associate. It does not mean that you are entitled to keep that association secret. If I (or a government agency) want to roam through the parking lot adjacent to a KKK meeting hall and take down license plates, that does not violate your right; you have no expectation of privacy when you parked in a publicly visible location.

I could go on, but you get my drift.
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you could go on, but...
gabrielbear@... 26th Apr 2010
since your example, and any others you can develop are based on the idea that electronic communication is de facto done in a public space, there's not much point.
4 years ago someone attempted to send me an email, but misspelled the domain name. it ended up in my gmail account. at that point i began to notice the degree to which goog keeps track of internet users: as much as it does internet content.
btw, before holding yourself out as black's law dictionary or equivalent, you may wish to review:
http://www.answers.com/topic/freedom-of-association
the constitution doesn't create freedom of association, it is premised on it.
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Its true that Google holds a lot of information
on us but who would you trust with that info in
the cloud. Twitter whose every tweet is
recorded in our national archives? Facebook,
who is subject to viruses, spam or worse.

At least I know Google tries to safeguard my
stuff. They try to hold governments accountable
for invasions of privacy (within the law). They
don't sell my info to other companies that
would likely misuse it. They stand up to China.

And to be honest, what do they do with that
info? They make EVERYTHING more relevant to
your personal interests. Very useful! As far as
I see it, Google has as much interest in
safeguarding my info as I do. They mess up
once...and all their business would be gone in
seconds. Look at Buzz and the stir that
created. That was just their most used
contacts...imagine if that had been something
more. I think they learned that lesson, don't
you?
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Sucker...nt
ItsTheBottomLine 23rd Apr 2010
nt
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RE: 'Google even knows what you're thinking'
thedudeistoocool@... 23rd Apr 2010
It seems Jeffrey Goines was referring to Google when he spoke these memorable words

"Here's my theory on that. While I was institutionalized, my brain was studied exhaustively in the guise of mental health.I was interrogated, x-rayed, studied thoroughly. Then, everything about me was entered into a computer where they created a model of my mind
Then, using the computer model, they generated every thought I could possibly have in the next, say ten years, which they then filtered through a probability matrix to determine everything I was going to do in that period.
So you see, she knew I was going to lead the Army of the Twelve Monkeys into the pages of history before it ever even occurred to me. She knows everything I'm ever going to do before I know it myself. How about that?"
Why should anybody trust the "Anonymizer" proxy? It could as well collect the data and use it for something bad. Once they "own" your Google identity, what's preventing them from doing exactly what they accuse Google of doing.
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EOM
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The G in google stands for Governmental systems... If for any reason you do not think that the MAJOR ISPS and CONTENT PROVIDERS are not in bed with Homeland Security... Check your birth certificate... If you really do know your own name then stop thinking they don't. As I comply with the email and password required to send this message... know that this too is part of the problem/pleasure/process/pretense/program.... It is therefore we must. We can attempt to obfiscate the monitoring but like was earlier stated... the only way to get close to out is to OPT OUT Completely... but that only puts you into a different bag for sorting and sizing.
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The problem is - Google is using this information for their financial benefit...

Google should have an option for users to request to see all information that Google has on them - search history, email scans, dns lookups, links clicked, etc. - and then provide the users the option to delete any of the information they want.

But it's not likely to happen, Google's business is based on harvesting the private information of individuals... which is a frightening realization to most people when they become aware of it.
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I Like that idea
jivester 26th Apr 2010
that would be the "transparency" that Google
claims to have
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You can go to "My Account" and select "View data
stored with this account"

I don't know whether it shows your URL trail or not, as I
disabled my "search history" ...and also avoid using the
Gorg SE URL anyway...

(The only Gorg utility I use is gmail, and I use IT for
spam filtering, and my gmail is forwarded elsewhere.)
..them. If you don't want them to know that you're searching for how to build bombs, don't go to google.com and ask it how to build bombs.


What's so hard to understand about this?
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There also is Scroogle
HollywoodDog 23rd Apr 2010
https://ssl.scroogle.org/

keeps your thoughts private from both Google and the IT
folks at work.
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Duh like thats hard to do?
Altotus 23rd Apr 2010
Ha thats easy!
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Six months ago
Muttz 23rd Apr 2010
I have never used Gmail and never will.

Never mind they know what your thinking, they probably know when you take a
****.
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All my e-mail, huh?
jimfrost 23rd Apr 2010
I'm somewhat interested in hearing how Google has "all
the e-mail have ever sent or received."

That's fear-mongering. OK, they have copies of e-mail
I sent to gmail accounts, and copies of e-mails people
sent from gmail accounts to me, but that is a small
fraction of the total traffic. Unless you're using
gmail they do not have copies of everything.

jim frost
jimf@frostbytes.com
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Talking about Google
View from Here 25th Apr 2010
I think "all the e-mail" implied emails from Gmail.
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RE: 'Google even knows what you're thinking'
CharlesEtheridge@... 23rd Apr 2010
I almost never use Google for anything, and this certainly justifies that decision. I find that Bing is perfectly adequate and can find anything that I may need. From now on, I know that I will avoid Google like the plague.
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You use Bing, which implies you are a Microsoft user. You probably have a Microsoft / Windows Live PassPort account and run Windows on your PC. Most likely, you use Windows Vista or 7. These require the WGA, through which Microsoft knows your name, address, zip code, phone number, social security number, bank(s) and banking account (checking account) numbers, loans and loan account numbers, balances, possibly credit cards and their numbers (because you typed them on your keyboard), all of your creditors and those to whom you are in debt or who are in debt to you, where you work, your family's names, your friends names, your eMail, all software installed on your PC, all documents you have created on that PC, all Web sites (porn and otherwise) that you have visited, etc. If you use Microsoft Outlook, they also have access to your entire electronic address book. And, the list goes on. But, Microsoft does all that without ever telling you what they are doing, when they are doing it, why, or what they intend doing with your information after they lift it from your oh-so-willing and open-to-Microsoft PC!

Yes, you are certainly smart. This is why you worry about Google collecting a little info about your preferences...
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How's the foil hat fit?
matthew_maurice 25th Apr 2010
Your paranoia is truly spectacular.

While Microsoft would love to have some of that data, most of it is
actually illegal for them to have (read the Fair Credit Reporting Act
sometime), and let's be honest, MS wouldn't know what to do with most
of it anyway. They can barely manage an AdWords clone, so something
truly insidious is likely beyond their execution, if not conception.
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FUD
Rama.NET Updated - 25th Apr 2010
I never had to give my credit card numbers, bank account numbers,
SSN for Microsoft WGA, for that matter I never had to give my name,
address, city where I was born, my mother's maiden name, my father's
first name or etc. that you mentioned in your FUD post above for WGA
check. The only situation where I had to give my Telephone number,
address and credit card number to Microsoft was when I had internet
service with them other than that I really never had to give them any of
the things you mentioned. Of course, if you are MCP/MCTS or
Certified partner, you have to give your name and address, your
company name other such details but you don't have to give your
credit card numbers, SSN etc. at least I am aware of.

Dang, I think I should call Microsoft and inform them that they are
missing this crucial information from me.

--Ram--
Now back to my 8.5x11 formatting and printing.
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Curious how Google would know what is in "... the contents of every e-mail you?ve ever sent or received." is one does not use gmail?
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If google knew what I was thinking
happyharry_z 23rd Apr 2010
They would run away screaming...
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So you're changing voyeurs?
c_hirst@... Updated - 23rd Apr 2010
If you use a different search engine, you're just giving the info to a different multi-national??
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This is wonderful if true because if enough people were interested in world peace, then everyone would be thinking about world peace, but if most people were thinking about sex predominantly as a past time and or as a distraction, then porn would prevail.
Some paticipants on the Internet consider themselves self important enough to fear that Google might be looking at them personally.
So Google knows what the masses are thinking, don't we? If we're all thinking on the "Green thing" then so be it. If we're all thinking on the "Armagedon thing," then so be it. If we are all "day trading the stock market thing," so be it. If we feed all of our interests as humanity to Google on this earth, is there any peril? Do you feel controlled or are you in control by the acceptance of your own eventual demise or life everlasting?
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But...
AzuMao Updated - 23rd Apr 2010
...it doesn't sound scary when you put it that way.


Scare-mongering headlines sell much better than down-to-earth ones.
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I am far more concerned about...
Isocrates 24th Apr 2010
the records being built and maintained about me by the medical profession; our federal, state, and local governments; law enforcement organizations; unions; the United Nations; NATO; international alliances; NGOs; etc.
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RE: 'Google even knows what you're thinking'
Mike106132000@... 24th Apr 2010
What's a persistent cookie? I don't like files that snoop
and can't be deleted. Is Google lying when they say we
have privacy? It sound like it. Privacy from everyone but
them.
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Startpage.com is my choice for privacy
valdavid@... 24th Apr 2010
Startpage doesn't record your IP address when you use their search service. I believe they are the only service with that claim. Since I started using their service about six months ago, I've been very happy with it.
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Not only startpage.com
erlo 26th Apr 2010
.. but also ixquick.com
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Moxie Marlinspike
So you hype-up the fear of Google so that you can sell your product that offers no assurance of privacy or security.
Please explain why your product will be so much better for my security as this article does not.







lamprey lives on sharks.
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Who reads all that stuff?
Serton 25th Apr 2010
I have a question.
I have a MacBook (and others not limited to Mac stuff) and the Safari
web browser has an option that lets you do "Private Browsing" which
they (the Mac people) claim does not save any history of where you
browsed, deletes all cookies at the end of the session etc. Is this a
solution?
Also...
What if they do save all the e-mails. So what? Who is going to read
millions of e-mails that are generated everyday? They would have to
have an army of armies to read all that stuff. Then there would still be
all the other stuff to sift thru. I don't see the point, so I must be stupid
or naive or both.
Can somebody please straighten me out?
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Basically..
AzuMao 25th Apr 2010
..the idea that when you send information to Google, Google might theoretically be able to look at that information, scares Ryan to no end.
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Well that is one thing
Rama.NET 25th Apr 2010
the other thing is where is the guarantee that the product that Ryan
mentions doesn't garner the same or more information about us. It is
always good to go with a known enemy than an unknown.
--Ram--
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RE: 'Google Knows... Make Scroogle Default...
Elvis.GodZilla 26th Apr 2010
The line of code below will allow IE 7 to use Scroogle a your default search engine.

https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?q=TEST

g: - )
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This article title was an immediate lol. Google's good
but not that good. Still laughing.
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Here's what bothers me about this... so now Google won't
know what I'm doing, but whoever manages the proxy will
still need to know who I am and what I'm doing to rout my
requests back to me. So all that has happened is that
I've changed who is paying attention. Granted, maybe
that person won't be recording my stuff like Google does,
but maybe they will...

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