Updated: Democratic National Convention site requires Silverlight and Move

Updated: Democratic National Convention site requires Silverlight and Move

Summary: There was a lot of buzz around the fact that Silverlight was going to be use at the Democratic national convention for video (my post here) and off the heels of the Olympics, it seemed like a good thing for Microsoft to get into and I was really looking forward to a good RIA experience for the convention.

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There was a lot of buzz around the fact that Silverlight was going to be use at the Democratic national convention for video (my post here) and off the heels of the Olympics, it seemed like a good thing for Microsoft to get into and I was really looking forward to a good RIA experience for the convention. The application was built by Hard Rock Deep Zoom demo. With a great agency that can show off the technology, it seems odd to me to add Move to the mix.

Update: Got a note from Eric Schmidt, Director Media and Advertising Evangelis about the Move plugin:

The DNCC chose to use Move as a means to tackle their live high definition streaming needs. The Move install is part of any Move experience (Silverlight or Flash).

We are leveraging Move's CMS system to manage content and Level 3's CDN infrastructure to deliver the video to the Silverlight player. The Move "plugin" hands video frames to Silverlight for compositing, etc.

Last year Microsoft and Move announced a partnership which would allow Silverlight content to be used on top of Move's dynamic streaming technology. At the time I didn't think the Move plugin would be required, but if they're using that for the DNC site then it looks like it will be required. Or this could be a helper to Move to get more plugin distribution.

Democratic national convention site requires Silverlight and Move

Anyone have more info on the reason or purpose of the Move plugin?

Topics: Software Development, Microsoft

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  • Wow, just wow

    So, a party supposed to govern USA can be bought
    out by Microsoft to support a flash wannabe plugin.
    I am speechless. Will they make Windows only policy
    in Govt. agencies too? Perhaps they should use
    "OOXML" instead of PDF too?
    Ilgaz
    • Or it could be something you do not want to admit

      that Siverlight [i][b]is[/b][/i] better then Flash?

      But no, it must be "Microsoft buying off the government".

      I guess it is safe to assume that we now know where all the money comes from to purchase those "black helicopters" that keep following you around.
      GuidingLight
      • FSVO "Better"

        [i]Or it could be something you do not want to admit that Siverlight is better then Flash?[/i]

        No question that Microsoft prefers their own stuff, so in that sense it's "better." Among other things, they control it and can sue anyone who uses it into oblivion if they decide to do so.

        That's a pretty serious advantage, and pretty much the only one I've heard of.
        Yagotta B. Kidding
        • Did you catch the Olympics ....

          ... in Silverlight? Pretty impressive for content streamed half way arround the world. I know you hate Microsoft but how about a little credit where credit is due!
          ShadeTree
          • Signal degradation

            [i]Did you catch the Olympics in Silverlight?[/i]

            No -- I'm one of the people Microsoft sues for using it.
            How did it compare to the Flash version?

            [i]Pretty impressive for content streamed half way arround the world.[/i]

            I never knew that Microsoft had perfected the trick of having IP traffic degrade with distance.

            How did it compare to 1960s technology streaming television from the Moon?
            Yagotta B. Kidding
          • The picture was great and Microsoft does ....

            ... not sue for using Silverlight. Where do you guys get that cr@p? Microsoft has made Silverlight available to all platforms royalty free. So now tell me what your tale of woe is all about.

            Surely you do know that streaming traffic over multiple hops and viewed by millions of people degrades over the Internet. Have you heard of latency and bandwidth? Your reply was frankly off base and uninformed!
            ShadeTree
          • No fooling?

            [i]Microsoft has made Silverlight available to all platforms royalty free.[/i]

            So where is Microsoft Silverlight for Solaris?
            Yagotta B. Kidding
          • Just OK

            I heard Jimmy Page was part of the closing ceremonies. So I just checked it out with Silverlight, and the video and audio were a bit off.

            Don't know why, but that's not a great selling point there.
            Joe_Racer
      • RE: Or it could be something you do not want to admit

        Regardless of which one is better it's common knowledge that Microsoft paid to be the technology sponsor of the DNC convention. They're using Silverlight as well as a bunch of other Microsoft technologies.

        =Ryan
        ryanstewart
        • They all offer up the money. But at the same time

          the DNC also has a choice as to go with what will work.

          If Silverlight/Microsoft technology is all so terrible, would the DNC take the money and go with the chance of being assoicated with something that "did not/does not work"?
          GuidingLight
          • RE: They all offer up the money. But at the same time

            Nope, I agree, just saying money played a part. And in fact, I can't actually find anything that says Microsoft is the technology sponsor. Just that the DNCC picked them. I assumed there was some sponsorship involved but I could be totally wrong.

            =Ryan
            ryanstewart
          • I think it would be a good guess

            [i]I assumed there was some sponsorship involved but I could be totally wrong[/i]

            I would say it's a fair guess that there is at least some sponsership involved.

            Today's attitude is: why give it away for free when there's someone willing to pay you for it?
            AllKnowingAllSeeing
      • You are airing PAL to NTSC region

        No, I didn't lose the topic. It is just that, as a
        media working guy myself, I must tell.
        It is a political party site, it is not a site to decide
        what is better or not. In case of politics, you target
        widest reach. 98% of people have Flash installed,
        so you put flash. If 98% of people had Silverlight
        installed, it should be silverlight. Get it?
        IMHO DNC people should do some background
        check on their IT/Digital Media team.
        Ilgaz
        • Installed base is a dead metric

          When installation is instantaneous than installed base is meaningless. How about this for decision logic instead: Flash can't run C# code, so the developers chose Silverlight. Get it?
          jackbond
          • So we should just add one more vulnerability?

            I've already got flash, wmp, and java plugins running within Firefox, plus a solid javascript engine built into the browser. Why should I install more plugins? It just opens one more door for potential hacks. And these are relatively untested plugins at that.

            It would have been just as easy (or easier) to develop this site with Flash video.
            K B
        • So misguided.

          Since it is a free download and installs if you don't have it you go with wich ever you want. There is no penality other then a couple minutes of download time.
          ShadeTree
          • one more penalty

            Don't forget...just adding yet another plugin is a penalty for those who prefer a clean system. Even if it's the best thing since slided bread.

            gary
            gdstark13
    • OOXML Vs PDF?

      I am sorry, I know you are just being sarcastic, but your comparison makes you look uninformed, rather than simply dislike Microsoft's policies, etc.

      First you imply that they are supposed to govern the county... it is [supposed to be] a free country. We elect people to govern us and it is our choice, not one "party" or another. Very interesting choice of words there. Yes, they signed a contract with Microsoft to work with them on their video distribution which was announced many months ago. The Republican party signed a contract with someone else (Google?).

      Also, OOXML and PDF are not comparable at all and serve entirely different purposes. You may have meant ODF (OOXML vs ODF), which are competing document editing formats (like a .DOC file, etc.). Or maybe you were thinking of XPS vs PDF, which are both printable document formats. Whether it was a typo or ignorance, not having facts straight weakens your argument. (Not that I haven't made mistakes like that before myself).

      I encourage you to learn more about the technologies and the political system.
      The-Bytemaster
      • You just stepped into a religious jihad

        Just imagine the mindset it takes to post something like the OP did.

        Your "reasoning" or "facts" are of no use here.
        KTLA
    • What do you mean?

      "bought out" by Microsoft? The DNC had a need, evaluated the choices, and picked the best available. <br><br>
      My post below was basically in jest, but now I see how close to home it really is. <br><br>
      Yeah, like Novell, maybe they should use ooxml. It's a superb standard. <br><br>
      You don't have any biases, do you. :)
      xuniL_z