Britain Considers ISP Filters To Save The Children: Flawed Logic

By | November 29, 2010, 4:54am PST

Summary: Fellow ZDNet blogger, iGeneration’s Zack Whittaker had a few things to say about Conservative British MP Claire Perry’s interest in forcing UK Internet Service Providers filter pornography – to save the children, of course. I agree with him; except when I don’t. The logic behind such a filter is as seamless, or as flawed, as its data. Making sure [...]

Fellow ZDNet blogger, iGeneration’s Zack Whittaker had a few things to say about Conservative British MP Claire Perry’s interest in forcing UK Internet Service Providers filter pornography – to save the children, of course.

I agree with him; except when I don’t.

The logic behind such a filter is as seamless, or as flawed, as its data.

Making sure people of all ages encounter age-appropriate material – especially porn – when it is indeed appropriate for them to encounter, is a great idea.

I’m sure MP Claire Perry is full of fabulous ideas. So I dug into the BBC article about her interest to save the children from the evils of the horrifying new TV-cum-typewriter box of uncontrollable programming that all the kids are looking at these days. And those little things that are like car phones but without the cord.

BBC tells us,

Claire Perry wants age-checks to be attached to all such material to reduce exposure to it.

The mother-of-three, who has prompted a Commons debate on the issue, said Internet firms should “share the responsibility” of protecting children.

At this point, I am glued to the screen. This is my favorite kind of horror movie: you think the kids are going to be saved from the Porn Monster, but in the end it just keeps coming back! (Spoiler alert: only the virgins survive.)

By age checks attached, Perry means that she thinks it should be the responsibility of ISP’s to be regulated like film ratings. But these things happen, and the uninformed stay… even more uninformed. So not only is your internet filtered (and you may not even know it), but like NC-17 is the “kiss of death” to films here in America, a website or business penalized by being filtered in the UK would get the “kiss of FAIL.”

Surely Perry must be extremely well informed to take such a grandstanding position on a topic that could backfire in such a serious way, potentially jeopardizing the free exchange of ideas and information on the open Internet. BBC explains,

Ms Perry, who represents Devizes, in Wiltshire, said: “As a mother with three children I know how difficult it is to keep children from seeing inappropriate material on the Internet.

Ah, okay. She is a mother: she must be a specialist on inappropriate material. And children, because Perry can make them from scratch. We can be sure she is definitely not too clueless about parenting in the digital age not to invest in filters like Bumpercar or Cybersitter — lazily hoping the nanny state will do the hard and truly important parts of raising her children for her. Such as rearing them with her own ethics about pornography, and not everyone else’s kids.

Perry’s idea might also be really great – if anyone, in any free Western country could agree on a universal definition of “pornography.”

But fear-based censorship campaigns that use sexuality to push legislation always make me want to get out the popcorn and beer, and so I read on. What got Perry all obsessed with Internet porn and kids? BBC tells us,

Four in every five children aged 14 to 16 admitted regularly accessing explicit photographs and footage on their home computers, according to Psychologies magazine.

Wow – how did they get those precise statistics? One thing I can tell you from researching and writing about pornography and technology for ten years is that stats like those are incredibly hard to come by.

They are, in fact, impossible to come by at this point in time.

To obtain data on porn viewing to come anywhere close to being reliable you would need a proper institutional study: sample sets, unbiased data collection under controlled conditions, and mechanisms to ensure the subjects were self-reporting accurately and not under duress or the like. That’s a very general description, but you get the picture.

So far, true, accurate studies on pornography use and consumption are only about adults, and happen during blue moons because no one can get funding due to the controversial nature of the topic in conservative climes. That’s why we have a huge culture of bottom-feeding Internet scum who make up pornography statistics to sell internet filtering software, and sometimes to attempt to change laws with the intent of filtering the internet to suit their conservative beliefs about sex, women, and, well, everything.

That would never happen in Britain. You can tell by their accents that they are smarter than that.

So, surely since The House of Commons is spilling their tea over these very precise numbers, Psychologies Magazine must be a media source of high integrity and the study itself worthy of publication in a respectable, credentialed journal.

They might as well have pulled their numbers out of their, er, bum. No one linked, but it wasn’t hard to find the “Put Porn In Its Place” campaign launched by Psychologies Magazine in May, 2010. (After the jealousy article but before the dieting article.) As it happens, Psychologies has been crusading against porn, and evil things it is associated with (like bum sex), for quite some time. Proudly, they tell us that News of the World covered their “study” results, along with the Mirror, whom I adore.

On Psychologies we find out that at least more than one teen was asked by someone, something about seeing porn at home involving a computer, at least once during the lifespan of the magazine’s publication:

We’ve had plenty of letters from concerned readers on this very topic, and when we decided to canvass the views of 14- to 16-year-olds at a north London secondary school, the results took us by surprise.

• Almost one-third first looked at sexual images online when they were aged 10 or younger.

• 81 per cent look at online porn while they are at home.

• 75 per cent say their parents have never discussed online porn with them.

I’m surprised, too. Mostly that Psychologies Magazine now states this erroneous information as flat-out fact for all UK children. I’m equally shocked that this might be how laws get passed over there. Data be damned! How very American of you. Almost.

I was much less surprised to see that Psychologies recommends ISP Aspire Internet, who shares the same business address as Christian Broadband – they both also share a server, along with cleanweb.co.uk.

Clean Web is, of course, the filtering software sold by Aspire. They are completely neutral on the whole topic, naturally. Just like Psychologies Magazine and Ms. Perry, everyone here is unbiased, and surely their businesses are not reliant on increasing the threat.

Because if you did suggest something like that, then you might have to pull back the curtain and actually, honestly talk to kids about Internet porn the minute they’re old enough to ask.

Don’t go in the basement, whatever you do.

Image via Psychologies Magazine.

Talk back in the comments and tell me: do you think it’s right for governments to make the Internet G-rated by default?

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RE: Britain Considers ISP Filters To Save The Children: Flawed Logic
JACOBSONR 14th Oct
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"Four in every five children aged 14 to 16 admitted regularly accessing explicit photographs and footage on their home computers"

Four in every five children aged 14 to 16 are horny teenagers. How do you stop millions of horny techno-savvy teenagers? Hire Dilbert?
If the filters can be set so that they only block illegal content then it should only upset those that are engaging in illegal activity. The problem is who decides what is legal and what is illegal. It would probably take a high court judge to make decisions that cannot be challenged in the courts. It would be easier to permit parents to submit civil suits against the web sites and allow the high cost of defending cases make the practice or prroviding this type of media uneconomic.
@JayDeCee

It would be easier to permit parents to submit civil suits...

What's stopping them now?
@JayDeCee Follow the money, my bet is she is has some great support from the content/copyright industry.
Ms. Blue says: "[T]hen you might have to pull back the curtain and actually, honestly talk to kids about Internet porn the minute they?re old enough to ask."

That's exactly the point, isn't it? I should be able to talk to my children about sex -- and, porn is not about sex. I shouldn't have to worry about what my child might see while doing an otherwise innocent search on Google Images.

Excellent idea by MP Perry. If I were a British citizen, she would have my full support.
@mwidunn

I shouldn't have to worry about what my child might see while doing an otherwise innocent search on Google Images.

Google is not for kids, period. Not even under a nanny state. If you want to shelter your kids do what I do: block Google and have them use squirrelnet.com instead.
@none none OR... you could simply not stick your head in the sand.
"Save the Children" is nothing more than a justification for some personal crusade that doesn't require any real thought. Most of said crusades wouldn't be an issue if parents were more involved with their children.
@mwidunn so, you don't care enough about the children to turn SafeSearch on?
I would be okay with it if it was user-selectable, like the parental controls on cable TV. In fact, I believe many (US) ISPs provide parental controls already.
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Stan57 29th Nov 2010
The ONLY answer is to force every single porn site to be on the xxx domain. That way those who want there porn can masturbate away in the comfort of there homes.
Parents will be able to filter out the porn to protect there children as they see fit. Company's can also filter porn sites at work.
Now alot of you whiners and criers will say it wont work,it would be too had to institute. Well maybe it will be, but SO WHAT quit your jobs and let people who are not afraid of hard work to fix the problem so everyone can be happy.
Let children grow up on there own they have done very well for over 10,000 years or so with our pornography pushed in there faces.
@Stan57

It would be against the law to push porn sites to a xxx domain, the 1st amendment guaranteeing free speech covers them.

However there is no law against having all kids websites on a .kids domain.
@malcarada
They are not preventing them from their 1st Amendment "protected speech". They are specifying where certain activities can take place. This is more akin to zoning restrictions where similar businesses and activities are grouped together (think light industrial).
@Stan57 ...I know they have to but full of bs. So what happens to your "ONLY" answer when the extreme Muslim groups start complaining that anything that shows a woman's face uncovered is porn and belongs on the XXX domain? That is a deliberately extreme example to make the point that there is no one definition of porn. We show things on network TV these days that not long ago would have been considered porn.

And lets also consider your use of the word "force". Just how do you plan to do that? You want to send the Marines to Cameroon to destroy the web site that is offending you?

Finally, putting things in all capital letters does not help make your case (i.e. ONLY, SO WHAT) it just makes you seem angry.
@cornpie So what is wrong with kids seeing porn? If they are well rounded properly raised kids they will be interested in everything - but even more so if it is "secret" or "taboo" I looked at Playboy when I was young, my kids have cruised the internet and they are not "hooked" on porn sites. I would rather my kids look at porn than "fight flicks" or "beat-up-the-bum" you tube videos. Having grown-up in the '60s, I find nothing wrong with the human body, but a lot wrong with gratuitous violence.

Ghost
@Stan57 The ONLY answer??? Really??

You do know that in America we have this thing called the First Amendment, right?? The one that guarantees the right of free spech and protects people from government intrusion therof....yea???

Plus...who would decide which content would fall under the [dot]xxx domain?? Explicit sex?? Full frontal nudity?? Exposed nipples and close-up male crotch shots?? Lingerie?? Cleavage?? I mean....which government office wold want the unenviable task of determining which content would pass through the [dot]xxx firewall and which doesn't?? And....what would prevent some interest group from attempting to lobby the government to simply banish ALL content that even looks sexually inticing...all in the name of "protecting the children"??

And of course, all of this would do not a thing to prevent sexual abuse of children, which manages to take place especially in those areas totally free of the "dreadful" influence of porn.

Here's a better "ONLY" answer: Keep the government's hands OFF consensual adult speech, and focus more attention on actually being a parent and monitoring your child's viewing habits. And, invest in the existing technology that already exists. Especially, that old-school device called "the OFF button."


Anthony Kennerson
Lafayette, Louisiana, USA
@Stan57 Learn how to spell.
We have a government here in Australia who is trying to filter the internet to "save the kids". It is pushed along by some nanny state do gooders who dont know what they are talking about. They just think it's a good idea. There is a very active campaign being waged against it and / or against the proposed methodologies to be used for the criteria for selecting what shall be blocked. Watch this space .... or maybe not, my comments might be filtered before I can report back.
More proof that lawmakers worldwide are pretty much clueless about tech issues.
What kind of adults do we want our children to grow up to be? Adults who don't look for porn, or adults who can't find it?

Children mature at different rates. Only parents can decide where to draw the line, and when. To do so, they also need to know what goes on on the internet.

Don't try to ban it, signpost it - with uncool signposts.
There's a big difference between 'Britain' and 'Claire Perry,' an unknown member of Parliament.
I don't know if this woman has ever heard of this thing called "Internet filters", it is probably too much work for her to install in their kids computer.
Create a new domain as suggested, xxx. All porn sites use this and wallah, they are free to pedal there material and others are free to easily block. Win Win.
Its a good idea to have restrictions on web content for children. Aussi government is trying to implement similar ban and unfortunately there is some resistance from the ISPs for making it mandatory.
www.netprotector.in is one product i liked among several others. It offers artificial intelligence to categorize newly created websites which are still not your databse. Guess they have few ISPs in Netherlands as their customers and few in India.
What a bunch of idiots. Just buy filtering software. You are responsible for your own children, not the rest of the world.
@Violet Blue meow happy Violet Blue is a hottie
The filter sometimes block file hosting companies and legal sites too, browsing is a lottery until the reported sites have been checked manually by staff.
ISP tech support have no control and no idea why this is happening.

sometimes I have to user VPN tunnelling just to surf normally.
Violet wrote in the article: "We can be sure she is definitely not too clueless about parenting in the digital age not to invest in filters like Bumpercar or Cybersitter ? lazily hoping the nanny state will do the hard and truly important parts of raising her children for her. Such as rearing them with her own ethics about pornography, and not everyone else?s kids."

This is a perfect example. Why is it up to someone else to raise your kids. Sure you can set limits for other people that watch your kids like the teachers we pay to watch them or the childcare places we send them to while we are at work, but they are our children. Teaching them about what is acceptable and what is not acceptable is a parents job to do, PERIOD.

If you don't agree with the viewing of porn, lock your internet accessable hardware down to prevent all but known sites being viewed. Set up accounts for your kids on their PC with the parent as the admin and so on. Stop whining about how your children might get exposed to that nasty porn stuff, be a proactive parent and stop blaming everyone else for not raising your child.

Of course there is this thing called talking to your kids as well. If porn isn't about sex then explain that to your kids, if someone says a bad work tell your kids why that person said a bad word. Education is the key, if you are doing your job as a parent and raise your children with your ethics and moral stance your kids might just suprise you and follow suit, but don't be alarmed if they want to discover the world for themselves. Just be sure to be there to talk about it with them.
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With today's tech-savvy teens, how long do you think it will take them to come up with ways to avoid content blocks enforced by ISPs? 10, maybe 15 minutes? The naive approach of thinking we can stop anyone from viewing anything by wasting millions of ?$? in content blocking is shocking. Do you want to know how cheap and easy content blocking is? Ask the movie and music industry how their "war on piracy" is going. I don't think a bunch of do-gooder technically challenged parents are going to succeed where these mega-corporations failed, and I see no point in wasting time, money and effort to protect the children of parents too prudish to talk to their kids about the perceived dangers on the internet. Perhaps they should block chat networks in case they get groomed, or online games so they don't learn war tactics and torture techniques, ban them from going to school so they're not exposed to drugs and violence, or from libraries so they're not exposed to potentially extremist views on any subject and information on how to do pretty much anything. Anyone who argues that schools aren't all drugs and voilence, libraries have useful information, online games are fun, and chat networks are a place to communicate with friends has, I think, missed my point entirely.

If the children need saving from anyone, it's these idiotic MPs pushing their own agenda of censorship and I-can't-be-arsed-to-raise-my-own-kids-ism.

Talk to your kids about the internet, sex, porn, drugs, rock and roll. As has been mentioned, if you're concerned you can buy your own filtering software and decide what you want your kids to see.
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Down with ageism!
​ 2nd Dec 2010
/Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children from Sex/

And the law is illegal.
You agree with pornography for all bar peodophiles do you Ms. Blue?

Pornography for men? married men? young adults? teenagers? school kids? children on their father's/their own PC? old men, rapists, mentally retarded, woman...

I agree with Mrs Perry MP (and, today, Mr Vaizey MP); ban all pornography coming into the country: it's sinful, degrading, invading, permissive, perverting, corrosive, corrupting, addictive, explicit, extorting, anti-family, anti-society, anti-Christian, unnatural, unhealthy, anathema.
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