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Google Plus: Fast, Cheap and Out of Control

By | July 21, 2011, 10:32pm PDT

Summary: Google’s fun new social network Google Plus is growing fast and its Achilles’ Heel is NSFW content. Will Google+ be safe for adults?

Google’s fun new social network is clearly growing faster than expected and has problematic blind spots – and its Achilles’ Heel is NSFW content.

One thing’s for sure – the content restrictions on Google+ certainly make the social network safe for children.

But who is going to make it safe for adults?

I’m on Google+ with content that might be racier than most, sure – and I love Google+. A lot. But I know my way around Big Social and its failings with NSFW (Not Safe for Work) policies. And I can tell you that this situation isn’t going to end well.

Nothing tests the mettle of a social network like spammers, brands, hackers, trolls – and poor policies around content that is not safe for work.

No, I’m not talking about porn (for once). I’m talking about the huge amount of everything that falls between porn and G-rated (general, all ages) content.

Google+ has done something that I think is going to become a huge problem: they do not allow content they deem as not work-safe, yet have not put content controls in the hands of Plussers.

Without giving Google+ accounts the ability to self-rate photos, albums or posts, or the ability to opt-in or opt-out to safety levels, Google is laying the foundation for one community management crisis after another.

The big failing of all Big Social endeavors is not treating edgy content like any other kind of content - content that some people want to see and share, and some simply do not.

Think of it like this: you may not want to see content shared from McDonald’s, or be “friends” with McDonald’s – but there are a hell of a lot of people out there that think it would be great to “follow” Ronald and share the corporation’s media.

The default photo and image albums for Google+ users are Picassa, which has zero tolerance for nudity or borderline content, and does not offer users content rating controls (such as the ability to mark things as “moderate” or “restricted”) to remain within the Picassa/G+ content guidelines.

Picassa’s rival Flickr does this, so it’s not just a whimsical idea.

They’ve provided no community moderation tools for users, so people are trying to make their own. I have already seen artists trying to creatively set content advisory warnings for their work, such as this gallery by painter Ben Northern.

Concerned about having high hopes for Google+ dashed I wrote not one, but several posts on Google+ and its NSFW policies. The reaction was overwhelming, with every commenter expressing deep disappointment.

Scott Turner commented to me,

It is early beta days for Google+ the reason Google invited us all here now is to help them figure out the holes. Congratulations: you found a huge one. Google has to face up to the fact the internet is full of socializing sexual humans.

Dark Pen opined,

Dear Google Plus,

I’m tired of having my rights as an adult ignored. Sex exists. Naked people exist. Please grow up. It IS your service, of course. But honestly, if you only wanted to market it to religious people and children, you should have told us that when you rolled it out.

Think you don’t neet to worry? Then you haven’t read the rules.

What’s worse is that Google+ has taken punitive action against users for posting content outside their narrow – arguably unrealistic – guidelines.

San Francisco librarian Library Vixen commented,

About a year ago my Picasa account was suspended (as was my blogspot shutdown), so now on G+ I am unable to link my instagram photos and am unable to view anyone’s linked “Picasa” photos because of the suspension and direct connection to Picasa.

Lynda Giddens said,

I linked to an article that contained topless nudity and the very first response was, “Reported!”

Incredibly stupid, especially since I plastered NSFW all over it and the thumb image wasn’t indecent.

Users are also reporting in post comments that links are silently being removed form their posts, in addition to having entire posts unexpectedly and quietly removed.

Sadly, Google+ Is Not for Everyone

This setup isn’t just problematic for regular adults, photographers, filmmakers, writers and artists, it automatically excludes those adults that do want to be adults. And that means adult artists and entrepreneurs as well.

When I first posted about Google+’s policy about NSFW content and pointed out that it had already been changed within a week to remove artistic expression – becoming even more restrictive – people in the adult business reacted.

Multi-site owner, producer, and performer Camille Crimson wrote a post saying:

It seems that they’ve made their new social network out to be completely NSFW-free, even going as far as to take a clause for art out of their terms of service. Basically, if you post a beautiful nude painting, you’ll be in trouble.

(…) It’s not that I don’t love just talking to you guys, but this site is a big part of my life and I like to share it. Until they revise their sex negative policies, I think I’m going to have to pass…

Google+ doesn’t have to be yet another place that is not welcome to a certain group of people. They have the technology.

One Content Rule for All Communities Will Never Work

Blanket policy works well on Twitter - but their policy is also sensible. Yet even Facebook’s ultra-restrictive policy wouldn’t fly in say, Libya, where I had an entire domain seized by the government because I had a photo on the site that didn’t have my arms covered (something considered literally criminally obscene for a girl to do in that country).

UK Google+ user Morgaine Dinova commented,

The concept of “NSFW” isn’t really helpful outside a single society, and doesn’t really make sense in a worldwide, multi-national and multi-cultural setting. What G+ needs is topic classification, not imposing one nation’s set of value judgements on everything using some arbitrary scale.

It’s sad that I think Google+ should at least take a page from Flickr’s user controls (they’re not known for consistency), or better yet, Blip.tv‘s excellent user-administered content rating system.

In my opinion, they need to address this ASAP or they will have a disaster on their hands.

Having your Facebook account yanked for alleged ToS violation with no way to fight it or find out what you did wrong is one thing. Losing your Google account over oblique ToS enforcement is another entirely.

I don’t need to recount or link to the many innocent ToS violation stories (not even my own) that have come out of Flickr, Facebook and many others over the past several years.

I mean this seriously: how many times do we have to do this?

I’m so tired of the NSFW issue not being addressed with available technologies that it was the topic of a Gnomedex presentation on social sites, online communities and human sexuality - one that received a standing ovation.

The Google+ acceptable use policy lands somewhere between Facebook and Twitter: not as strict and impractical as Facebook, but not as open as Twitter. Because of this, wider use of Google+ will always and forever be limited until they add the ability for users to create content ratings – sorry Dorothy, but there is nudity in the world.

On the flipside, I applaud the inclusion of sexual orientation/gender identity tolerance in the G+ Terms regarding hate speech and specifying bullying. In this, they are light years ahead in creating a safe harbor against an extremely harmful avenue of bullying.

Highlights of what’s not allowed on Google+:

3. Hate Speech

Do not distribute content that promotes hatred or violence towards groups of people based on their race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, or sexual orientation/gender identity.

10. Sexually Explicit Material

Do not distribute content that contains nudity, graphic sex acts, or sexually explicit material. Do not drive traffic to commercial pornography sites. Your Profile Picture cannot include mature or offensive content. For example, do not use a photo that is a close-up of a person’s buttocks or cleavage.

The sexually explicit rule used to include a line about nudity with artistic merit being acceptable. They removed that, which is very disappointing.

No nudity – yet no user controls in case we post a news item or article about art, and need to err on the side of caution?

I’m giving Google+ user Martin Bogomolni the last word on the matter:

I would //MUCH// rather have a “this post has mature content” than Google’s nanny attitude about no nudity. Most of us on here are adults, and parents should guide and talk with kids about what’s online. Google, don’t push your ethics on me…

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RE: Google Plus: Fast, Cheap and Out of Control
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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I think it's fair enough. Not like most other sites are any different. If you wanna post stuff that is considered inappropriate by society in general (don't pretend you don't know what that means), then you shouldn't be posting it on a SOCIAL networking site. Post it somewhere else. My take is "Don't like? Don't use"
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@bugmenot@... Agree with you that those who think it takes being religious to have moral decency are themselves the fringe seeking acceptance. No apologies in saying pushing for greater sexual content is not wanted by those of us who are agnostic and spiritual. You want skin, get a skin mag or go to a skin site. Just not for those with greater ambition for this network beyond entertainment and amusement factors.
@bugmenot@, @victor.jasin@... whose judgements are to be used here? "Society in general" is contextual, it has no completely general meaning. As the article said, a picture of a woman with bare arms is deemed offensive in some places. Should G+ adopt that standard?
Given that your postings can be restricted to only people whom you want to see them (sorry about the tortured grammar there, don't pretend you don't know what it means ;-)), why should you be restricted to what (one particular) society (and not even all of that society) finds acceptable?
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@bugmenot@...
From a quote in the article: "The concept of ?NSFW? isn?t really helpful outside a single society, and doesn?t really make sense in a worldwide, multi-national and multi-cultural setting. What G+ needs is topic classification, not imposing one nation?s set of value judgements on everything using some arbitrary scale."


...you're saying that YOUR society's norms and values should be the way ALL users of this site should be, when your rights should go no further than THEIR rights. What happened to "land of the free", or "all men created equal"?

I personally am not into "socially inappropriate" things (by North American standards), but I also understand the need to accept societal differences. There is no blanket social standard that covers all societies.

Strip clubs are "socially acceptable", they just set an age limit. Why should the internet not follow similar rules?
@shryko
I for one am happy they are limiting things to a work (and family) friendly environment. I would never let my kids on Myspace. One click saying you are older than you are and wamo, all the nude, crude, destructive stuff that we as a society has deemed inappropriate for the society as a whole. Is it that easy for a kid to get into a strip club? By the way, if you want strip clubs on the internet, they are all over so go there instead of to the "MALL" to hang out.
@brant@...
...I've seen XXX stores inside of a mall before. No bouncers, either. As well, I'm not saying 1 click should be enough to be registered as 18+, either. Where the balance should be? I dunno.

Oh, and don't pretend that underage people don't get into strip clubs. Fake IDs are often used...


and again with the "we as a society" bit. Online, there are MANY societies. Why should one dictate all the requirements for ALL?
@shryko "[strip clubs just set an age limit: why should the internet be any different?]"

This is such a naive (or wilfully blind) approach, for multiple reasons.

The first and foremost reason, is the superset of all the others: "virtual reality" is different from *actual reality*.
(Umm. hello? is this a revelation?)

You can reasonably regulate a strip club, to require them to post a door watcher, to keep out "underage" folks. that is almost trivial. You can tell just by looking, "hey, that person is underage".
Whereas on the internet.. a "visitor" is just an IP addr.
So, when it comes to keeping (class of material) out of the hands of (class of person) in the context of a social media site where you want "everything" to be potentially available on it, you have exactly two choices that will be consistent:

A) no more anonymity. Make sure that you 100% know the Real Life Identity of everyone who comes to the site.
(is that what you'd prefer?)

B) give up on any limits, because without A), any kind of limit is going to be non-enforcible in any kind of real sense.

If you dont want A, AND you dont want B, then the only thing left is to change part of the original the premise: To ensure that (class of material) is not made available to (class of person), you can no longer allow "everything" on the site. you must censor out (class of material) entirely.
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"Don't like? Don't use"
ghall@... 22nd Jul
@bugmenot@... How about "If you don't like my content don't visit my page." A lot of sites have G-rated controls (which, I agree) should default to safe. Even Google's search engine lets me search for mature sites if I change my setting to.
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@bugmenot@...

This is the same sort of logic that says it's perfectly all right to abridge the protection against illegal search & seizure because if you're a Good Guy, it doesn't matter if the cops search you or your domicile without a warrant whenever they feel like it.

After all, only people with guilty consciences worry about stuff like that.

Did you notice that the policy probably makes it illegal to include images of great artworks like the Venus di Milo or the Nude Maja on your Google+ pages, and that if you do, you could - without appeal or warning - lose all your Google accounts?
@fairportfan most "great art" was about as overrated as the "art" of today.
Back then it was just an excuse to look at nudies happy Whereas now it's mostly an excuse to make some kind of socio-political statement.
Art for Art's sake, seems to be a rare thing.
if you take two paintings of the same scene, in the same style, where one has people fully clothed, and the other does not... there's nothing "great" about the unclothed one.
Its kinda like the old "I read playboy for the articles" guy.
Yeaaaahhh, no.
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@Phil Brown
Yeah, let's not forget medical students, nurses and doctors and all associated books....
Then add the almost entire pics of the covers of the gothic, fantasy and romance novels...
All those album covers...

Should I continue?

Sheesh! Where do you draw the line?
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Re; by society in general
hkommedal 23rd Jul
@bugmenot@...
You do not seem to know much about societies outside the US.
In Libya you can not show a woman with bare arms.
In Italy there is an abundance of Madonnas that show Mary breastfeeding Jesus.
So; which society is going to be the "valid one" ?
If you suggest the US one, then I think I will suggest the Libyan one.
developers of applications/media is absolutely unacceptable -- they should have allowed some mature flag/rating/area for such media and applications, instead of just banning.

However, this is Apple, this is what Apple typically does, enforcing rules for better or worse (most of the time, for better).

But Google touts popular words like "free" and "open", so it is strange that they are so prohibitive and closed to their users.
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RE: Google Plus: Fast, Cheap and Out of Control
scubashnurpel Updated - 22nd Jul
@DeRSSS Google is a company. It is not someones right to have access to anything they offer. "Google, don't push your ethics on me..." is completely foolhardy. They own the network. Accept the terms or go be a part of something you can agree with.
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Exactly
Tim Patterson 24th Jul
@scubashnurpel

There are plenty of other places to engage porn on the web.

Google's terms will be acceptable to the vast majority of people. If you don't like their terms then don't use THEIR service. Frankly I don't understand people who think they are somehow entitled to smut everywhere.
First time I've ever hit the tweet button on an article. What is Google+ going to do when I post pictures of my avatar (I'm a Faun)? These so-called social networks are, as far as I can tell, anti-social. In a few years they will all be replaced with the Metaverse just like SMTP replaced commercial email.
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Businesses are in the habit of blocking Facebook for various reasons. A lot of it has to do with managing people not capable of self policing themselves.

It is easy to block Facebook. They currently use 4 separate IP Address ranges.

Google is very different. To block Google+ is to block ALL OF GOOGLE. Now how is that going to play nice with Google Apps and other ventures focused at the enterprise?

If Google makes it a free for all, they lose the enterprise. End to End. Therefore Google must either provide the means to block access to Google+ separately from the rest of Google or make Google+ fit the corporate mold and enterprise requirements.
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In Fact....
Freddy McGriff Updated - 22nd Jul
@Freddy McGriff

Another thought occurs to me and should be investigated as I think it will be revealing....

"What percentage of the new Google+ subscribers work for companies that currently block Facebook?"

The answer to that question could change the way Facebook does business too...

If more and more businesses agree that Google+ restrictions are "enterprise friendly" And Zuckerberg's free for all attitude is not, then we will see more subscribers switch so they can access their social networks at work.

Maybe that is what the intent of these restrictions are...

This is NOT what google wants to happen within corporate America:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jun/30/google-plus-blocked-china
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Google Blocking
SenorAlejandro 22nd Jul
@Freddy McGriff Why would blocking G+ mean blocking ALL of Google? GMail is blocked at my workplace, but I can still access Google Search and such. Wouldn't blocking the subdomain "plus." work just fine?
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@Freddy McGriff
If you don't use the IP address to block access, but instead use the URL... yes, people can work around it, but they must TRY to work around it. And in so doing, they'd probably have committed a fire-able offense against corporate policies, anyways.

Most companies take a single bad anecdote, and over react, forcing stricter compliance on everyone... Reducing employee loyalty in the process.
@shryko there is a tipping point, beyond which increasing "employee loyalty" is not desirable.
Sane corporations that have a concern with such things, will block by IP. Those people who then feel their "employee loyalty" to be reduced, should then leave, and both they, AND the company, will be happier as a result.
@Freddy McGriff They already said that they will be building a enterprise version of Google +
Contents rating and no censorship.
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@esadajr This, exactly. Users can simply set what range of stuff shows up for them; Google can even set it to G-only by default if they want.
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Way to crush free expression. Blocking those 'non-politically correct artists' from your social site is the worse form of censorship.

I have a g+ account, a gmail account, a youtube account etc, but I am wondering more and more if I am on the wrong side of the fence.
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Sure are if you want to post offensive stuff
brant@... Updated - 22nd Jul
@zelrikriando
There is a reason that some 'non-politically correct artists' work would never be on display at the mall. We can't all do what every we want whenever and wherever we want to.
So is the real problem Google is blocking(or not blocking), or is the real problem the fact that there is a whole generation who despise having to follow rules and authority? Social networks and gripes of them are reflective of a given social group. Different regions find different things acceptable, and that is one thing. But to gritch and moan using free expression as a guise for simply not wanting to follow rules is simply rediculous. I wonder how google would treat this very post, as some might consider it hate speech against a whole generation(and that would be a REALLY far stretch)
@ondcross agreed. I hate Boomers who can't follow the rules.
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Google of all companies should understand you can't really control the internet or how people will use it. Trying to do so, as they are now doing, simply guarantees the site will fail because the next site will give users what they want.
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SenorAlejandro 22nd Jul
When posting a piece to your DeviantArt account you're given the option to flag it as 18+ only, and anyone whose account is not set to include such items (or who isn't 18+, themselves) just won't see it. How difficult would it be to implement something like that? =P
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shryko Updated - 22nd Jul
@SenorAlejandro
well said, and this was my immediate thought reading the article.
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@SenorAlejandro
That only works if the person posting is honest which you should know they are not. Alot of pornography is uploaded to DA Tons of erection pictures are uploaded every day there. It take months for them to get removed for the most part and they still allow underage kids a button to "View Anyway" And DA isnt an art site that it claims to be its a except everything site like flickr but better searching
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RE: Google Plus: Fast, Cheap and Out of Control
rocketman67 Updated - 22nd Jul
I agree. Think of it like a channel on tv...if it's not your thing then don't tune in. We don't need any more laws professing morality.
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RE: Google Plus: Fast, Cheap and Out of Control
scubashnurpel Updated - 22nd Jul
@violetblue Google gets to decide what their ethical standard is in regards to what it allows or restricts. Google + belongs to them. It is the equivalent of you deciding whether or not someone could borrow your car. Whatever you decide, you are not obligated to explain why or why not you chose that course of action. Your gripe is not really that Google is out of control, it is that they enforcing their control on you. Which, by the way, they have the right to do in the confines of their social network.
@scubashnurpel
. . and which, by the way, makes it unsuitable in many societies.
In many societies showing breastfeeding is fine, but showing severe violence is not. In the US it is generally the other way around. Why should the US "standard" be regarded as superior ?
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I love sex, but don't want it on my social networking site. There's a time and a place for everything, and sex belongs to the private domain - or should. I WISH I had a google+ account, because I no longer use my FB account much. I really hate smut and porn, so I'd love to have an invite - are you listening, Google?
@kentuckywoman2 What makes you think that G+ (or parts of it) aren't in the private domain?

How about someone taking pictures of themselves and using G+ to show them to their husband, while he's on a long-distance trip?
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You are very wrong
Stan57 22nd Jul
You are very wrong No mature content should be allowed to be uploaded to any social site that allows underage children. Its a fact the adults will not properly mark if marked at all. And you know quite well people will call ANYTHING Art or artistic. Just do a safe search on Flickr for butts and see how well the membership there improperly marks pornography as viewable by the public. tons of nude avatars. Sorry but adults cant be trusted to do the right thing. There worse then the Teens
@Stan57
Define "mature".....
Different regions / countries have different opinions.
What is common ground here?
One size does not fit all.
plain
@Stan57 If someone is stupid enough to upload an image and improperly tag it at all, they'd deserve to be banned in the first place. There is absolutely NO excuse in this day-n-age not to be familiar with tagging an image or a post of any sort.
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What a hot button topic this is!

First, I like skin and I like sex sites, but I don't put that stuff on my social sites like Facebook and G+ because I think there is a time and place for it (bruizr.com) and another time and place where it's nice not to have to deal with it (G+). Do I have to "express myself" completely, all the time with no regard to where it might not be appropriate? Forget the "morals" and "sense of decency" arguments. These are charged terms that mean little.

There are lots of places on the web to get whatever level of kink you want. I think having a place that asks you to put on a tie before dining is not all negative. You don't have to unzip your fly and let it all hang out every single place you go in the world -or- on the 'net.
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These seems to be another in a list of evil actions on Google's part, with little or recourse.
@scottatdtn
Evil??? OK ummm.... DONT USE GOOGLE +. Just like I don't use Myspace or facebook anymore because of their policies that create an unsafe environment for me and my family. IT IS CALL FREEDOM OF CHOICE. Google is free to choose to implement NSFW standards and you are free to go elsewhere. If you come to my house, I am going to DEMAND that you are fully dressed and use proper language. If you can't do that, don't expect to be welcome at my house.
I haven't looked into Google+ much, but I find this interesting. The one thing I question was your saying that the .ly domain was pulled because your arms were showing. It is obvious from your article link that the content/purpose was a big part of that, too.
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OK consider this
sysop-dr 22nd Jul
__Would you like your content being found on the computer used by one of your followers be the cause for them to lose their job?__
Do you think that every person who puts content on here will use the proper rating? Someone miss rates one thing and it puts their followers jobs at risk; yes a bit extreme but I think my point is made. I would have no problem, my boss would laugh, IT Security, not so much.
@sysop-dr People stupid enough to put pleasure before business or improperly tag an image deserve to be fired and/or banned, period.
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It's not Google; it's America.
huntm856 Updated - 22nd Jul
Google's just (cynically? realistically?) tailoring the service to what they believe the majority of its users want.

The general tenor of the comments to this post are I believe fairly representative of how people feel about this. Indeed, have you seen all the 'sex panic' stories in the media lately?

It's sad. Maybe one day we'll grow up and mature as a culture; I'm not holding my breath.
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