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Is using an .ly domain right - or wrong?

By | February 22, 2011, 1:11am PST

Summary: Given the current conflict and unrest in Libya, should you use a .ly domain?

A lot of people are wondering about using .ly (Libyan) domains now that casualties in the Libyan protests are mounting and the revolutions are more closely wed to technology than many could have ever imagined.

The large-scale demonstrations in Egypt were successful and inspired protests throughout the Middle East and North African countries such as Bahrain, Algeria, Iran, Libya and several others.

All of these have been huge and organized primarily through social media.

These oppressive governments have responded by arresting and using violence to try and stop the citizens’ demands for reform. Libya has been killing protesters outright and with no remorse.

That cutesy –ly domain doesn’t look so cute anymore

Cutting off the Internet was the initial salvo by governments to stop the flow of information.

The failed tactic first employed by Egypt – to shut the entire country off from Internet access – has been attempted in Libya in the form of what appears to be a sporadic internet curfew, in addition to a complete blackout of YouTube and Facebook access. The voices of Libya continued to be heard.

A lot of Internet denizens have been wondering about using those .ly domains – such as (sadly defunct) Bieber.ly or link shortener bit.ly.

The primary concerns are if using sites and services somehow contribute to the ongoing, increasing horrors enacted by the Libyan government on its citizens – and coldly, if the domains are stable. As in, will your bit.ly links still work?

I won’t say “my” bit.ly links, because I won’t use .ly domains. Last year I ran a small .ly link shortener vb.ly, only to have vb.ly seized by the Libyan government with no notice.

The Atlantic summed the Libyans’ tardy explanations, which came late and with no recourse. My bare arms in a photograph were a primary reason. (I returned the service exactly as before on a .us domain.)

I remember trying to track down Libyan Spider admins and contacts through their Facebook pages when they’d abruptly deleted my domain and would not respond: now Libya has blocked Facebook so that would no longer be an option.

All .ly domains are administered through registrar Libyan Spider in accordance with the Libyan government “of the Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya” and the General Assembly of “Libyan Internet Society.” They are not administered outside Libya.

When I paid my $75 a year (and renewed through August 2011, non-refunded), the money went to these entities, transferred through a US-based shopping cart system.

Obviously when you shorten a link with an .ly service you are not giving your own money directly to Libya – though when Mitt Romney read about my domain being seized, he felt his Mitt.ly was a show of support to Gaddafi and promptly dropped the domain. Other businesses (such as Clip.ly, now Curate.us and Leaf.ly, now redirected) simply changed URLs upon realizing the .ly domain space was simply unsafe.

There’s the concern about committing social harm by using an .ly domain, and then there’s concern about the risk of stability.

When Libya seemed to be trying to shut off its Internet and started murdering citizens with guns, RPGs and now fighter planes, the question was raised to bit.ly on Quora as to whether bit.y could be knocked offline.

Bit.ly’s John Borthwick responded by explaining that Libya shutting off traffic would not affect “any .ly domain” stating that all (five) root servers would have to be knocked offline to take bit.ly out.

He was quick(ly) taken to task by people who reminded us that all Libya needs to do is anything to affect the registration operations of .ly – which would eventually mean that if Libya stayed off the internet for up to four weeks, that would be that.

Same goes for when – not if – the Libyan government decides to take a closer look at what all those cute .ly domains are being used for. As I learned the hard way, they will delete them without notice or recourse, taking all of your work and records with it.

My domain was seized based on Libyan law. There is a regime change underway. Libyan law is therefore a moving goalpost.

Since the incident, the terms of prohibition (and seizure) on .ly domains have been changed, and expanded to include:

(…) words/phrases or abbreviations insulting religion or politics, or be related to gambling and lottery industry or be contrary to Libyan law or Islamic morality.

In principle, you are free to choose the domain name. However, you cannot choose names that are in use by other organizations, or names that for various reasons are prohibited or reserved for technical, ethical or national considerations.

Deciding whether or not using an .ly domain is “right” or “wrong”

Should Libyan Spider examine links being shortened on bit.ly and apply the same terms as to vb.ly, Libya would find it necessary to delete the domain. Under the terms above and in light of the current political event, even moreso.

If Libyan Spider, in concert with the Libyan government “of the Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya” and the General Assembly of “Libyan Internet Society,” decided to look at all the protest information, free speech and anti-Gaddafi links being shortened on bit.ly – well, they won’t like that one bit.

What do you think - is using an .ly domain the right thing to do, or not?

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RE: Is using an .ly domain right - or wrong?
JACOBSONR 14th Oct
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Is there a .duh domain?
kd5auq 22nd Feb 2011
sad
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.duh main =G
catseverywhere@... 22nd Feb 2011
@kd5auq doh! ? ~p?
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Right according to what rule?
bmeacham98@... 22nd Feb 2011
You ask if it is right or wrong to use an ".ly" domain. Right or wrong according to what rule or law? It is obviously not a smart thing to do, given the instability of those domains. And it is not a good thing to appear to support the Libyan government, by which I mean it is not beneficial to the cause of political liberation and promotion of democracy. But what moral rule or law does it violate? Without specifying that context, the question cannot be answered.
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@bmeacham98@... Good morning, Mr. Moral Relativist. How about almost any view of right/wrong based on Western values as opposed to Islamic fundamentalist or Gaddahfi's dictatorial values.
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RE: Is using an .ly domain right - or wrong?
NCWeber Updated - 22nd Feb 2011
I'm not sure if it comes down to such concrete ideals as right or wrong. It seems to me to be an issue of prudence, whether financially or morally motivated. In the short run, I say, backup your stuff and take a wait and see attitude.
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A domain name is basically a pointer to a (set of) number(s). You should be able to access your materials through another, (e.g., temporary) URL, assuming your content is not stored in Lybia as well.
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pure utopia filled with puppies and butterflies. Sheesh. What passes for thinking these days.
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Foolish to rely on a dictatorship
John L. Ries Updated - 22nd Feb 2011
As counterintuitive as it may seem, dictatorships are far less stable than are either democracies or traditional monarchies; that's why they need heavy handed police state tactics (real ones) to keep people in line. It should have come as a surprise to nobody that Gadhafi would unplug the Internet in a desperate effort to save his regime, even if he ended up leaving owners of .ly sites in the lurch. He doesn't seem to care much about the lives of his own people. Why should he care more about foreign websites?

You get what you pay for.
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as essentially a dictatorship.
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Sort of
John L. Ries Updated - 22nd Feb 2011
@frgough@...
I would argue that the Roman/Byzantine empire was a de facto monarchy; one with rather frequent changes of dynasty during some periods, but little change in the actual form of government ("constitution", if you will). Since emperors expected to transmit their office to their descendants, they had some extra investment in the health of the Empire that modern military dictators don't have.

The problems with modern military dictatorships is that they rarely outlast their founders by very long, and if they do, there's inevitably a sham-republican arrangement that fools nobody and ends up undermining faith in the rule of law (Byzantine emperors never had to rig elections). Nearly all dictators conform to Machiavelli's definition of a "new prince" and have to act accordingly. If one dictator forcibly seizes power from another, only to be supplanted by a third, then each will have to act as a new prince in order to survive for any length of time (meaning that they will have to rely primarily on force and cunning in order to stay in power). Sadly, this scenario has played out in a number of places with disasterous consequences. Established monarchs, on the other hand, will normally retain the support of their subjects as long as they follow established custom, keep the peace, maintain general prosperity, and successfully defend the country from external attack (meaning they don't have to be nearly as heavy handed as the typical dictator).

Communist dictatorships tend to be more stable but we've seen that they only endure a few generations before people lose faith in the governing ideology, which ends up undermining the legitimacy of the Communist Party (which thereby loses its supposed reason to exist). That's what happened in eastern Europe and it's what China is struggling with now.

A better example would have been the Japanese Shogunate, but even there, power was usually passed peacefully from one Shogun to the next, and the office quickly became hereditary, functioning in practice much like a hereditary prime minister (but the army was always the basis of the Shogun's power).
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"organized primarily through social media."

Can you please point to well-documented evidence that the majority of people protesting in Egypt even owned a computer, much less used any type of on-line social networking?
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Show me an equally effective (or BETTER!) way to shorten my twitter links and I'll use it!
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Two words
klumper 22nd Feb 2011
W H O .. C A R E S

Let the Libyans sort out their own troubles. We have enough of our own to tend to.
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If your worried about .ly url shorteners such as bit.ly then you may opt to use an alternative shortener such as miniurl.com
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First, you should never primarily tie any production service to a ccTLD associated with an unstable government. This is just bad engineering practice. Second, Yes, there is a moral question here. if you believe in the teaching/actions of Muammar Gaddafi then there is no problem with a .ly domain. Otherwise, why would you want to aid his government with any of your money? Certainly, Libya does not receive significant monies from the sale of domain names, but there are, nevertheless, issues of economic morality here. Would you use, say, a .ir (Iran) suffix? or a .mm (Myanmar) suffix?
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What about Libyan oil?
wilback 22nd Feb 2011
If you boycott .ly domains, what about Libyan oil? When you pull up to the pump you have no idea where the gasoline came from. The dictatorship in Libya gets far more money from oil than from .ly fees.
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Pragmatic approach
nigelroberts2 22nd Feb 2011
The pragmatic issues are explored in more detail in Notes from a Small Island (nigel.je) - see http://nigel.je/2011/02/more-than-a-bit-ly-of-a-risk/

But Violet is entirely right to raise the moral question.

The use by anyone of a ccTLD domain (and there are plenty of nice reasons to do so, if the country/territory concerned is a stable democracy), can be said in some moral sense to be supporting the society that the two letter code represents.

Also ..

didn't it used to be illegal under Treasury sanctions to do business with Libya, Cuba and N. Korea among others?

(If I remember rightly, weren't Libya removed from the OFAC list when Khadafy apologised for state-sponsoring terrorism (Pan Am/Lockerbie).

Perhaps it's time to put them back, this time for genocide.
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Gahdafi is a walking corpse
John L. Ries 23rd Feb 2011
@nigelroberts2
If I have the measure of the man, then he won't give up and won't be taken alive (but then again, I was wrong about Saddam Hussein on that point), but I think he has less than a week to live. Politically, he is mortally wounded (this is a man who has portrayed himself as a man of the people for the past 42 years and is reduced to claiming that his people are on drugs). Even his longtime allies are deserting. It's an open question how much longer he is going to be able to enforce his orders to the military.

Hence, I think the question of reimposing sanctions on Libya is moot.
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Sounds good to me.
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RE: Is using an .ly domain right - or wrong?
helloworlder Updated - 24th Feb 2011
So we are debating about whether it's right or wrong to use a particular TLD, and sitting in our ivory towers talking over a cup of tea over ethics, when at the same time we are trying to keep desperate asylum seekers from those troubled countries away from our shores. Not to mention oil trading with Libya.
.ly may stand for libya... but who controls the main ISPs?
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