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PayPal Strong-Arms Indie Ebook Publishers Over Erotic Content

By | February 27, 2012, 3:08am PST

Summary: PayPal has forced its merchants that publish and distribute e-books to censor erotic literature.

PayPal’s new aggressive campaign wants to stop independent e-book publishers that use its service from including certain kinds of erotic content in their catalogs.

On Saturday February 18, PayPal began threatening indie book publishers and distributors with immediate deactivation of the businesses’ accounts if they did not remove books containing certain sexual themes - namely, specific sexual fantasies that PayPal does not approve of.

PayPal told indie e-book publishers and retailers - such as AllRomance, Smashwords, Excessica and Bookstrand - that if they didn’t remove the offending literature from their catalogs within a few days of notification, PayPal would close their accounts.

Of course, the immediate termination of payment processing would devastate these businesses and all of their authors (not just the erotic writers) overnight.

In case you haven’t noticed, PayPal has a monopoly on the market of online payment processing. There are few alternatives, though none that are widely used by online shoppers.

One corporation begins to shape an entire market

Smashwords had little choice. On February 24, Smashwords sent a letter to all of their authors saying that it was being forced to make PayPal’s guidelines about erotic literature the new rules for content Smashwords would publish and distribute from now on.

All of the Smashwords authors were told in an email that if they want to see their work published and distributed through the popular alternative e-book e-tailer, they will need to make sure their works of fiction conform to PayPal’s acceptable use definitions of sexual fantasies.

Bookstrand went nuclear, and completely eliminated most of the indie titles from their catalog.

AllRomance has decided to stop publishing books that focus more on sex than romance - they are effectively purging all titles that are primarily sexually explicit storytelling “where sex [not romance] drives the story” from their catalog.

It’s a curious thing for PayPal to begin policing content in erotic books. Though they have a mighty hammer with which to enforce their morality.

PayPal would ban works by Anaïs Nin, Vladimir Nabokov, Henry Miller, Marquis de Sade and books like Caligula, The Sookie Stackhouse Novels (True Blood), The Story of O, Venus in Furs, Lolita…

So, what kind of fantasy sex in books is PayPal telling indie publishers is not okay?

They include a number of subjects that many would consider offensive or disturbing in real life - but they included one area of sexual fantasy that is fairly popular in real life between consenting adults.

PayPal told the booksellers they may not sell works of fiction that include sexual fantasies containing themes and implied scenarios of: pseudo-incest (including “daddy” fantasies, step-family), incest, fantasies about non-consensual sex or rape, bestiality (widened to include non-human fantasy creatures), and BDSM.

Under the new PayPal policy, Mark Corker of Smashwords told all the Smashwords authors they would also have to remove paranormal romance that included shape-shifters - if the shape-shifters were to have sex in their non-human forms.

When PayPal told Excessica’s Selena Kitt that BDSM fiction was not allowed in her catalog she wrote on her blog (selenakitt.com NSFW),

That’s right - they weren’t just targeting illegal acts between non-consenting adults. Now they were targeting legal sex between consenting adults.

For what it’s worth, BDSM includes a very wide category of sexual practices that are legal in the United States, and its activities and fantasies are not regarded by psychiatrists as an illness or disorder.

Determining what is acceptable to publish

One argument put forth as to why PayPal would not want to be the middleman for porn or “edgy” sexual content is that sexual content carries the constant risk of buyer’s remorse: people buy it, are ashamed or regretful or whatever, and want their money back.

So the thinking is that Paypal doesn’t want to have to be charged by credit card companies for chargebacks on “high risk” accounts that carry adult content.

But PayPal merchants control returns and refunds on each and every sale: when a customer submits a refund request, the merchant is the one that issues the refund - and it’s the merchant that has to PayPal return fees for the refund.

In addition to the fact that mitigating the cost of chargebacks and refund costs are an easily solvable problem: PayPal could easily bleed “high risk” merchants with higher fees.

Anyone that has done any kind of business online related to erotic content knows that PayPal will not do business with porn websites (or merchants that run websites that PayPal deems to be pornographic).

Many early sex bloggers who did not consider their blogs to be porn - merely artistic erotic imagery - found this out that hard way when PayPal changed its policies to exclude doing business with porn sites back in 2003 (when it was bought by eBay).

But the new development in PayPal’s moral standards bears serious examination.

Erotic writing has always been at the forefront of internet reading, and erotica - dark edges and all - was at the forefront of e-book adoption due to the privacy the form factor affords consumers.

And despite how you feel about the topics of sexual fantasies PayPal won’t tolerate, you must admit that the fringes of literature are important.

As Chris Meadows wrote,

Some people will find [the banned sexual themes] icky, but others enjoy them - and who the hell is PayPal to appoint itself the arbiter over what is and is not acceptable to publish?

I think it’s a dark day for independent book publishers, book distributors and authors when a company that has no vested interest in literature determines the content of the books that these small businesses can carry.

Image of Justine by Marquis de Sade from Wikimedia Commons.

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Violet Blue is a Forbes Web Celeb, SF Appeal contributor, a high-profile tech personality and one of Wired's Faces of Innovation.

Disclosure

Violet Blue

I am currently freelancing part-time (only) for ReadWriteWeb for their general news blog and their Start (startup tools) channel; this was made in agreement that I would not write about anything that might conflict subjects in my blog (no sex content). I'm under contract to publisher Cleis Press for editing three more books (only) with the topics of women's/couples' erotica. I have been writing and editing books for Cleis Press for ten years on the subjects of erotica and human sexuality (guidebooks). I'm not under exclusive contract anywhere/to anyone/to anything, I have no investments.

Biography

Violet Blue

Violet Blue (tinynibbles.com, @violetblue) is a Forbes Web Celeb, SF Appeal contributor, a high-profile tech personality and one of Wired's Faces of Innovation. She is regarded as the foremost expert in the field of sex and technology, a sex-positive pundit in mainstream media (MacLife, Forbes.com, The Oprah Winfrey Show, others) and is regularly interviewed, quoted and featured prominently by major media outlets (from ABC News to the Wall Street Journal). A published feature writer and columnist, Violet also has many award-winning, best-selling books; her books are featured on Oprah's website. She was the notorious sex columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle. She headlines at conferences ranging from ETech, LeWeb and SXSW: Interactive, to Google Tech Talks at Google, Inc. The London Times named Blue one of the 40 bloggers who really count.
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What we don't want...
remittancegirl Updated - 28th Feb
Is a culture in which grown adults are not allowed to determine what they are exposed to in terms of fiction for themselves. I can name the sorts of regimes that implemented these sorts of restrictions in the past, and some that still do now. Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Maoist China (and China now, in fact)...

Fiction is fiction. None of the 'taboo' subjects rejected by the microtransaction companies are in any way illegal. The fictional representation of a crime is not a crime. The laws in both the US and Britain that have tested the boundaries of censorship in this regard have stood the test of over 40 years of appeals on the part of people who wished to limit what people could and should read.

So there is no possibility for using the argument of participating in an illegal transaction.

As to the charge-back excuse, I'd like to see numbers on charge-backs of erotic ebooks. I will not accept someone's word for it. One of the reasons why I, as a writer, have listed my novel Gaijin under the erotica genre is specifically because literary fiction tends not to 'tag' books, and I felt it was responsible to alert women who might find the content disturbing to avoid it. Michel Houllebecq, who writes scene after scene of explicit, dystopic, alienated, dehumanizing sex is filed under Literary Fiction. You get no warning from him.

So this red herring about people stumbling across offensive ebooks by mistake is something I find very hard to swallow. It is seldom that a book which contains 'taboo' content is left untagged by its publisher or its writer. Our very efforts to help readers choose what they read in an informed manner have resulted in making it easy to ghettoize and expunge us.

How ironic. I wonder if anyone will start trolling through 20 years of Booker nominees for the 'bad' stuff? Er, probably not.

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You are the one that is full of fiction...
Redraider Updated - 20 hrs ago
Your comment is ridiculous. This has NOTHING to do with the first amendment and if it DOES you are violating my first amendment to believe what I want to believe in if I choose to believe in Christianity. So that makes YOU a hypocrite if you want to keep clinging to the idea that this has anything to do with the first amendment.

But it DOES NOT. The first amendment was written in regards to GOVERNMENT and speech and NOT ANY PRIVATE organization, such as Paypal. So that is why your point is fiction. In fact, Paypal is exercising their Constitutional right of the right to associate with those they want associate and those they don't. But, no, YOU want to TRAMPLE their RIGHT to do that. Again, hypocrite.

And AGAIN, people bought and sold things LONG before Paypal ever existed, but you are acting like NOTHING can be sold or bought unless it is through Paypal, which is ridiculous.
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jbravo556 27th Feb
I posted a long reply earlier and it seems the forum ate it. Is ebay censoring zdnet too?
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Sometimes I remember to copy the text I put into a reply before hitting the submit button, because it only works about 1 out of every 4-5 tries.
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jbravo556 27th Feb
The form showed the post after I clicked submit. I even edited for a typo and it showed me that it accepted the changes.

I returned to the page ten minutes later and it was gone.

Well, too bad. I don't feel like rewriting a long detailed reply.
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Samic 27th Feb
an online payment processing system would engage in content censoring?

Totally beyond me.
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use_what_works_4_U 28th Feb
in the United States, sexual repression is a powerful force. Just look at our politics.
Because this article CLEARLY lists rape and incest as a topic Paypal has disallowed by dealers it does business with. So, you are saying you APPROVE of rape, incest, which often involves child molesting, and that none of that should not be "repressed". Your comment only makes you look sick.
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Finally, the children will be protected
willrosswriter 27th Feb
Guys, let's be serious. We don't WANT books with adultery, incest, rape, sex, bestiality, ****** and sex with ghosts to be read by our children.

I for one am PROUD of Paypal for taking a strong stance against the Bible, and am happy no one will be allowed to sell it anymore.

>:D
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If you don't like it...
playwithdeath 28th Feb
Then DON'T READ IT. And only YOU should protect your children. It's not up to anyone else to censor something and make something completely unavailable because you don't feel comfortable with the topic. Especially not a corporation. Do you honestly not see the dangers in that?
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Think you missed the joke
senecarr 28th Feb
The guy said proud Paypal is going to ban the Bible - as it inovlves Mary having sex with the Holy Ghost.
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Your point is flawed...
Redraider 20 hrs ago
"make something completely unavailable"

They aren't making it completely unavailable, just unavailable through Paypal. People who write this stuff can still write it and they can still sell it. People bought and sold stuff LONG before Paypal ever existed.
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senecarr 28th Feb
I have but one plus one to give to counter the people that didn't read that fact that you made the best post on this thread.
As you correctly point out, the Bible is a book that violates several of Paypal's stated objectionable material standards (the bible also features tons of incest).
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You are right
Pete "athynz" Athens 28th Feb
in that I do not my child reading such books. However it is MY job as a parent to censor what my child reads - it is NOT Paypal's job to censor content... maybe, just maybe I want to read a story about a ghost having sex - heck if Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore can pull it off in a movie why can't an indie author sell a book with that sort of content.

My long winded point is that Paypal is a (very sucky) middle man between a merchant and a customer. Paypal is not an editor, a censor, or any sort of organization that should dictate what people can and cannot read.

Oh yes I got that your post was sarcasm - some people didn't and I'm also hoping that ZDNet does not eat this post...
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What we don't want...
remittancegirl Updated - 28th Feb Top Rated
Is a culture in which grown adults are not allowed to determine what they are exposed to in terms of fiction for themselves. I can name the sorts of regimes that implemented these sorts of restrictions in the past, and some that still do now. Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Maoist China (and China now, in fact)...

Fiction is fiction. None of the 'taboo' subjects rejected by the microtransaction companies are in any way illegal. The fictional representation of a crime is not a crime. The laws in both the US and Britain that have tested the boundaries of censorship in this regard have stood the test of over 40 years of appeals on the part of people who wished to limit what people could and should read.

So there is no possibility for using the argument of participating in an illegal transaction.

As to the charge-back excuse, I'd like to see numbers on charge-backs of erotic ebooks. I will not accept someone's word for it. One of the reasons why I, as a writer, have listed my novel Gaijin under the erotica genre is specifically because literary fiction tends not to 'tag' books, and I felt it was responsible to alert women who might find the content disturbing to avoid it. Michel Houllebecq, who writes scene after scene of explicit, dystopic, alienated, dehumanizing sex is filed under Literary Fiction. You get no warning from him.

So this red herring about people stumbling across offensive ebooks by mistake is something I find very hard to swallow. It is seldom that a book which contains 'taboo' content is left untagged by its publisher or its writer. Our very efforts to help readers choose what they read in an informed manner have resulted in making it easy to ghettoize and expunge us.

How ironic. I wonder if anyone will start trolling through 20 years of Booker nominees for the 'bad' stuff? Er, probably not.
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Another false claim...
Redraider 20 hrs ago
"Is a culture in which grown adults are not allowed to determine what they are exposed to"

No where does Paypal say they can't read that "material", NO WHERE! They are only saying that you can't SELL it through Paypal. Again, you would think that you think that NOTHING can be bought or sold UNLESS Paypal processes the payment!! Which is just ridiculous.
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All I can say is...
pauliolio 28th Feb Below threshold | Show anyway
Good for Paypal...
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All I can say is
Pete "athynz" Athens 28th Feb
that you must be a fan of big government or having someone regulate your life. I'm not. I prefer to make my own decisions as to what I can or cannot buy. To paraphrase my response above:

It is MY job as a parent to censor what my child reads - it is NOT Paypal's job to censor content... maybe, just maybe I want to read a story about a ghost having sex - heck if Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore can pull it off in a movie why can't an indie author sell a book with that sort of content.

My long winded point is that Paypal is a (very sucky) middle man between a merchant and a customer. Paypal is not an editor, a censor, or any sort of organization that should dictate what people can and cannot read.
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A Factual Error
J.S. Wayne 28th Feb
Dear Violet,

I wished to address one factual error in your blog post. You stated PayPal began this action on February 18th. In point of fact, the first rumblings about it began two days earlier, on February 16th, when I was informed by an author friend that PayPal had apparently written a threatening letter to Bookstrand. This was the first I'd heard of it, but Bookstrand quickly confirmed the rumor. I posted a blog late on the 16th concerning the issue after I'd performed deeper research to determine this was not a false alarm and to confirm just how high the stakes really were. Aside from this one oversight, your timeline accords with what's been occurring, and I wanted to compliment you on the excellent post concerning this situation.
In case you're interested, there is a petition speaking out against this activity at http://www.thepetitionsite.com/7/stop-internet-censorship/ .

Best,

J.S. Wayne

http://jswayne.wordpress.com
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Please learn what words mean
braidedmane 3rd Mar
While I agree with your stance and would like to take action to encourage Paypal to reconsider, I'm not signing that petition. This isn't censorship, nor is Paypal infringing on freedom of speech. Freedom of speech and censorship have to do with GOVERNMENT entities preventing free expression. Paypal is a private business, not a government entity, so free speech is entirely irrelevant. What IS relevant is letting Paypal know that if they continue to refuse to sell things because of misguided moral principles, then they aren't going to get any more of my money.
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PayPal should do what it does best and stay out of the lives of readers. By what right do they think they can become the moral arbiters of what I can and cannot read. This is absurd. This is freedom of speech, pure and simple. I am 100% against censorship. If you don't like the subject matter, don't buy it. If you don't like the subject matter, don't read it. But, don't tell me I can't buy it and don't tell I can't read it. This cannot be allowed to stand. Publishers and individuals should stop caving in! Rise up, American readers, Rise up!!!!
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best at
jelabarre 29th Feb
the thing that PayPal is best at is screwing over their customers. And seeing how they've managed to drive out their competition (especially if you're selling on feeBay) you pretty much have no alternative. Soon all these companies (paypal, ebay, the major media companies, etc) will make the internet completely unusable, and we'll all have to go back to talking to each other face to face. With the ridiculous increases in fuel prices, we won't be driving to the next county to buy anything either.
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The Real Reason Paypal Censors
novelator 28th Feb
It's nothing to do with anything religious, but more to do with the failure of the politicians to gain control of the Internet through SOPA and/or PIPA.

I mean, you have to understand, that all the politicians of both parties the global Progressives can buy couldn't get SOPA and/or PIPA passed. So, the New World Order Progressives resorted to finance and payment processing as a weapon to shut down Free Speech. But first, they have to get their tyrannical little feet in the door, and to do that, they use Paypal to pick on the eBook retailers and shut down erotica. Of course, no one who's religious, or considers themselves moral and upstanding would mind. But once that door is opened, look out--soon it will be not only erotica that's censored but any kind of speech the global Progressives find offensive to their New World Order of Enslavement. You watch--this is just the beginning of the censorship. What couldn't be done through legislation is being attempted through financial means...and tell me, all you doubters out there, how is it that eBay, who owns Paypal, is just a-ok fine with selling sex toys, but not a-ok fine with writing about their use? Huh? Go on, explain that one.
In case you didn't notice, it was progressives who defeated SOPA/PIPA because that is what is consistent with our values.
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Are We Asleep at the Wheel????
speakthetruth 28th Feb
Have we as Americans been so lulled into complacency that we have lost our will to rise up and fight for our rights? Novelator says it quite well. If PayPal's ploy is allowed to stand, if there is no furor over their censorship attempts, if other right-wing conservative, extremist, hyper-religious groups have their way with us, this is just the start of things to come. We have to take a stand. Don't be fooled by talk of returned publications. That's a fact of life for any business that sells products. This is just censorship guised in an inflexible return policy. Ask yourself one question: Why haven't you joined this conversation? These are your rights we are talking about.
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PayPal have made what they see as a business decision - which is up to them. But who has decided that erotica is bad (when none of us would be here unless our parents had enjoyed a little hanky-panky), but violence is okay. So people can run around with guns and bombs - that'e entertaining. While loving, playful behaviour is somehow harmful. How does that work?
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guns and bombs are useful tools
waypasthadenough 29th Feb
...and it's just as evil to teach children that violence is never an option as it is to teach them it's the first option, every time. Sometimes it is the first option, and the only one that makes sense. Welcome to reality.

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people as long as government is perceived as working for the benefit of children, the people happily will endure almost any curtailment of liberty." -- Adolf Hitler

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PayPal has every right to pick and choose those with whom they will do business and that freedom should not be taken away. Their freedom in this matter should not be infringed upon any more than our freedom to choose our friends or shop where we want. You have the freedom to choose whether or not use PayPal and that also should not be taken away.
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just say no to PayPal
chadpengar 29th Feb
While I personally have no interest in the books being "banned" by their publishers, PayPal is a plague to the world. Just say NO to PayPal. PayPal has the rights to do business with whom they want. BUT the Publishers also have the right to do business with whom they want. They should just get real merchant processors to give them merchant accounts and take credit cards directly. They could probably save money on their fees too if they are smart about who they choose to do business with for their processing.

Paypal cancelled my account around 2005 or 2006 due to my company's website selling a firearm accessory that they disagreed with. Fine. They charged too much in fees anyway and I just tell customers who ask if I take PayPal that I don't (and I tell them why) and that I can take their credit card directly. I've never lost a sale because of it.

Just say no to PayPal.
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Paypal is attrocious
zeninja 29th Feb
They are one of the worst companies to deal with. They make their living by screwing people and they have awful customer service. Use Dwolla instead!
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PayPal and Censorship
GentleRF 1st Mar
While this is the first I have heard of PayPal and its determining what a reseller can put in its online catalogs for literature, I agree with most of the respondents about it being censorship. I for one will be voting with my feet and wallet. I once thought this was a free country (the USA), but I guess it no longer is.
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PayPal and morality
Ashtonian 1st Mar
It doesn't surprise me.
This internet stuff is a new field and new players and shakers each try to impose their morality upon us all because, well, they own the business.
Next I suppose PayPal will require we all attend church on Sundays and we will need a signed receipt from our pastor or preacher before conducting further business.
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The Antitrust solution
IP/Antitrust 13th Mar
It may be time to go consult an antitrust lawyer and set off a class action lawsuit. Though controversial, there is some case law which supports the idea that where you have a dominant firm refusing access to use of services that may constitute anticompetitive behavior.

Granted, since the overt reasons are content-based and don't obviously point to pushing out competitors, this is not a clear cut case. But the legal solution should be considered.


** DISCLAIMER: This does not constitute legal advice for this or any other situation. This is only general commentary based on facts treated as a hypothetical scenario and a postulated very brief overview of a certain area of the law. Individuals should not rely on this as legal or any other advice and should instead consult a suitably qualified attorney.
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Hooray for PayPal
OpinionatedTX 14th Mar
This country is morally bankrupt, to many people are worried about being politcally correct or offending non believers. What about offending believers?? PayPal is a company that has every right to make a decision about what they will or will not support. They may have the monopoly on that market but they are NOT the ONLY option these publishers have to offer!

Stop crying about it being censorship! It is their right to refuse service get over it and find another company if you don't like it! I am not an attorney but I don't see a legal issue here on anticompetitive behavior, these publishers are not in competition with PayPal. PayPal simply does not approve of the content in these e-books and has every right to say NO to providing them service!!
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Are you so blind not to see that an erosion of our Constitutional right to Free Speech by any organization is merely a stepping stone to the erosion of the OTHER rights so enumerated?

Specifically, the right to exercise the religion of your choice. FYI, that right is guaranteed in the SAME FIRST AMENDMENT.

The Supreme Court has ruled that FICTION is LEGAL! That includes your religious fiction.

And you don't have to buy my kind of books. You don't even have to look at them.

My forefathers came to this country to escape this kind of crud so they could speak as they wish and practice their unpopular beliefs. The remainder of my forefathers already exercised that right... Until the other side of the family stole their land and marched them halfway across the country to force them to live under Big Brother's lying eye... Stripping them of their freedoms.

Now Paypal has been doing much the same. They tried to make a boogie man of Visa and MasterCard, saying they were FORCING Paypal to do this. Visa and MasterCard boldly stepped forward with public letters stating that they had no part in this, nor will they.

Then PayPal quietly said they were really only trying to stop offensive images. Now they are getting more bold and saying images or images with pictures. They are working their way back up and after they take erotic fiction, then it will be romance, then horror, then what? Any history they don't agree with?

I don't buy into conspiracies, nor do I wear a tin hat. But outlawing erotic encounters between mythological beings? Oh yeah, they teach that in high school, in case it's been awhile for you. Also, if you want to talk immoral behavior, let's discuss about the Bible, or the Quran. They include rape, forced marriage and rape of children under age 10, incest, drunkenness, debauchery, gay sex, arousal of sorts.

Try reading them, you'll see. I have.

I'm a preacher's daughter/sister/niece/cousin/aunt. And an abuse survivor who suffered at the hands of those who would, like you, refuse an adult the means of choosing written fiction that may involve consenting adult sentient beings and/or adult sentient beings in adult relationships for themselves.

PayPal is a banking institution, even if they don't call themselves such. They have repeatedly taken money from people's bank accounts because they can and have refused to release it in a timely manner or offer sufficient explanation. They'll even do it if you institute a chargeback on your credit card because of a fraudulent charge.

Let's not even get into the whole monopoly they have over the on-line payments system. They have their sticky fingers in almost every pie and their corporate bullying must be stopped.
Do you want your bank to tell you how you can and cannot spend your money? Isn't that a duty of the government instead of a bank?

That means they can refuse to process your tithe should they choose. Without notifying you first. All they have to do is change a few words in their Terms of Service. They don't even have to tell you what changed. You have to discern their voluminous legalese on your own. And merely accessing your account constitutes your acceptance of those terms and agreement to abide by them.

Yes, it is censorship, despite what some talking heads might blog. Despite what well-known writers might say. Really, they are just trying to appease the money beast, hoping Paypal won't come after them.

Erotic fiction no more breeds sexual predators than the Bible or Quran breed hatred of others who don't buy into their teachings. People are the villains. Predators will get their jollies in ways no one truly understands. If they did, then their crimes could be thwarted and no other neighbors would be caught saying, "But he was so quiet."

If anything, erotic fiction more likely provides an outlet so "those" urges don't fester into illegal behavior. Sex feels good for a reason. Even the Bible and Quran encourage it.

They also encourage Free Will and Personal Responsibility. I'll exercise mine. You exercise yours. I'll read my books. You read yours. I'll fight to protect your right to practice ignorance and hate while quoting scripture. I doubt you'll fight to protect my right to sit in my own home, with my loving spouse and kids and cats, reading and writing my "dirty books," but it seems like you should. We probably go to church together.

My grandfather had a card he carried with him that even as a child I appreciated. It said simply:

"Friend, I see you smoke. Well, I chew. You don't blow your smoke on me, and I won't spit on you."

It is so much more than fiduciary duty. So much more.

By cheering on Paypal and closing your eyes to the reductions being instituted against our freedoms as long as it is only against "unpopular" things, the distance between the freedoms important to you and those who would diminish them grows ever smaller.
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You are the one that is full of fiction...
Redraider Updated - 20 hrs ago
Your comment is ridiculous. This has NOTHING to do with the first amendment and if it DOES you are violating my first amendment to believe what I want to believe in if I choose to believe in Christianity. So that makes YOU a hypocrite if you want to keep clinging to the idea that this has anything to do with the first amendment.

But it DOES NOT. The first amendment was written in regards to GOVERNMENT and speech and NOT ANY PRIVATE organization, such as Paypal. So that is why your point is fiction. In fact, Paypal is exercising their Constitutional right of the right to associate with those they want associate and those they don't. But, no, YOU want to TRAMPLE their RIGHT to do that. Again, hypocrite.

And AGAIN, people bought and sold things LONG before Paypal ever existed, but you are acting like NOTHING can be sold or bought unless it is through Paypal, which is ridiculous.

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