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The Apple fanboy problem

By | February 6, 2012, 1:42pm PST

Summary: Apple fanboys have a reputation for hostile attacks based on suggestion, and it’s harming Apple’s image.

Apple “fanboys” have gained a negative reputation as a hostile entity. The vitriolic fanboy mob mentality has made online discussions about Apple difficult to keep civil, and has created an environment of increasingly shocking and disturbing hostility.

In my opinion, it’s damaging Apple’s reputation.

This week, “king of the fanboys” John Gruber and Apple evangelist Shawn King were instrumental to an online witch hunt that eventually included threats of violence toward a female blogger.

The witch hunt was based on inaccurate information about Macworld exhibitors that the men had provided to the public.

I know because that blogger is me. And I’m not the first person to have a troubling story like this about these people.

The article Macworld 2012: The Island of Misfit Toys opened with an anecdote and photo of an exhibitor described as “The saddest booth babe in the world,” conveying the woman’s unsmiling demeanor.

Shawn King, an Apple pundit, commented beneath the photo that the woman was not a “booth babe” but a developer, and that she was likely the sole proprietor of NeoPlay Entertainment.

He claimed her name was Piroska Szurmai-Palotai, and along with filling in the story about her first time at Macworld, he was indignant and offended that a developer would be branded a booth babe.

King delivered the story to John Gruber, who reported the information in a chastising post directed at me entitled, “This Is Sad All Right.”

Later, Gruber would follow up with a second support post that added more from King, where King instructed how I should edit my article, instructed me to apologize to Ms. Szurmai-Palotai, and more.

Zsfia Rutkai

Zsfia Rutkai at Macworld 2012

My response was to amend my post and get to work. But I could not proceed further with anything until I verified the woman’s identity and contacted her to apologize, and find out how she wanted me to proceed with amending the article.

Like everyone else, I assumed that Mr. Gruber and Mr. King were stating accurate and true facts.

The influence that John Gruber has is not to be underestimated, most especially with a certain kind of Apple fan. This type of fan is well known by anyone that writes about Apple online: the vitriolic fanboy. And they admire Gruber to what has now been shown to be some very dark extremes.

After Mr. Gruber’s post went up, the bloodsport and viciousness directed at me began. It did not let up for three days.

I verified and published the true name and job title of the woman in the photo: Zsfia Rutkai.

She is not a developer (she’s their PR person), and told me she was not offended by the characterization in my article.

It remains to be seen where King and Gruber got their information. Regardless, a whole lot of their devoted Mac following took it, and ran with it.

The effect of the misinformation

From within an hour onward of John Gruber’s post, Ms. Szurmai-Palotai had been effectively Googlebombed - mislabeled and mischaracterized in all top search results for her name.

Piroska Szurmai-Palotai

It was clear that before his post, she had a very small internet presence. Her true search results show her to be a chess and technology enthusiast.

As I researched Ms. Szurmai-Palotai, I watched over the hours as Gruber’s post and its citing by other blogs and forums (of which there are now several) began to cloud out organic results for her name - and her name on NeoPlay’s apps.

Based on the incorrect information, those that took up the cause populated her name on things such as the Change.org petition that was started to force me to apologize to her, despite the fact that Ms. Szurmai-Palotai was nowhere to be found.

The misinformation gave a significant number of people fuel to stalk me, attack me for hours at a time, malign, insult me in disgusting ways, threaten me with weapon-specific violent death (an axe), and lead social media attempts to force me to lose my job over the matter.

Many referenced John Gruber, and/or his post as they did this. Plans were openly made to make media to attack me - another Angry Mac Bastards podcast.

This kind of attack appeals to the Internet’s root nastiness toward women

Women are already geek outsiders in Apple culture.

In this particular instance the Apple fanboy target was female, and so the suggestion to openly dislike the target became ugly with what we all sadly know as the Internet’s root nastiness toward women.

During the onslaught after Gruber’s first post about me, a few neutral Apple personalities expressed to me that they were becoming uncomfortable with what they called “vicious bloodsport.”

Readers came from the post to call me a whore (among many other things on Twitter) and resorted to ad hominem attacks - truly, they had nothing else.

I didn’t take it personally. I knew that something was wrong with Gruber and King’s claims. But I also know that this is how the Internet treats women.

These guys know what their negative influence can do. No one deserves it, and I didn’t “have it coming” - no matter how justified their followers felt tying the vitriol to my work in human sexuality and women’s issues.

I don’t know these men. I have never met them or had direct contact with any of them. Yet this is the second time they have come after me - for writing something about Apple that displeased them.

Finding the truth

When people online - such as Shawn King, via John Gruber - began calling for me to apologize to the woman in the Macworld photo, it became clear that none of these people had actually had any contact with her.

I found Ms. Szurmai-Palotai online rather quickly, and saw that she was not the woman in the photo.

I then went to work tracing the company, other domains on its server, who they belonged to, and I mapped out the NeoPlay Entertainment staff structure. I wanted to ID the woman in the photo - and ask her what she wanted me to do.

I found documents and citations showing that Ms. Szurmai-Palotai was actually the company’s Director of Communication. I found the company’s male owner, Krisztian Mehes. But the girl in the Macworld photo was far more elusive. In the morning I began making phone calls to Macworld exhibitor coordinators, and more.

By the afternoon I found Zsfia Rutkai. I contacted her, explained the situation and apologized if there was any offense - for I meant none.

She then added a comment to the post for clarification, and we exchanged further emails about her company, and about being called a booth babe - to which she told me she didn’t take the issue seriously and was not offended. Ms. Rutkai was a lovely grownup, made a Saddest Boothbabe Facebook page for fun, and was a PR professional.

The Apple fan culture has a sickness

This story about John Gruber and others like him in the Apple evangelism communities is not unique to this columnist in any way.

Over the past few days a number of people got in contact to relate that had been on the receiving end of similar directed attacks. One man wrote me,

The Shawn King & Gruber circus has been doing this for YEARS. I’ve dealt with those guys since 2004 and when this crap is all over, they go back to sending their army to attack other people.

It’s not just being a target for whatever reasons; disagreeing with the men that run blogs like Gruber’s (such as Angry Mac Bastards or King’s blog) typically results in vitriol directed at the dissenting voice. One writer commented to me,

I found when disagreeing with Gruber that his fans were the most personal, reflexive unthinking commenters I’ve ever had.

You don’t need to have had a brush with the Internet Hate Machine to know that one person can make someone’s life miserable - and that gets magnified by 1,000 when it’s an entire group of people operating solely on belief.

When this is done to human beings and not the companies on which the culture ostensibly about, it becomes ugly and personal.

It’s worth examining motivations here.

People so eager to do a blog post takedown that they don’t check their facts for days, and do a follow up to take another shot at the person in the crosshairs… they must be pretty unhappy, right?

It’s strange. Men like John Gruber, Shawn King and all the rest in their circle seem to be the guys that have everything to be happy about. Apple is at the top; it’s never been better, more profitable or more mainstream.

They have everything to be happy about - but are still acting like the little guy that keeps getting pushed around.

Thanks to these men, the Mac insider crowd has now come to be known as a group of vicious people that attack before getting their facts straight.

John Gruber is considered a canon in Apple circles; a hero to some and a man with unusual access to the company - so anything he says is considered a gold standard.

You may disagree with what I did in my Macworld piece. I’ll take it on board.

But what is happening here is a problem.

And I believe it is a lot of what is perpetuating Apple’s bad image.

It is an aspect of Apple’s legacy from an older era - one that needs to go away.

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Violet Blue is a Forbes Web Celeb, SF Appeal contributor, a high-profile tech personality and one of Wired's Faces of Innovation.

Disclosure

Violet Blue

I am currently freelancing part-time (only) for ReadWriteWeb for their general news blog and their Start (startup tools) channel; this was made in agreement that I would not write about anything that might conflict subjects in my blog (no sex content). I'm under contract to publisher Cleis Press for editing three more books (only) with the topics of women's/couples' erotica. I have been writing and editing books for Cleis Press for ten years on the subjects of erotica and human sexuality (guidebooks). I'm not under exclusive contract anywhere/to anyone/to anything, I have no investments.

Biography

Violet Blue

Violet Blue (tinynibbles.com, @violetblue) is a Forbes Web Celeb, SF Appeal contributor, a high-profile tech personality and one of Wired's Faces of Innovation. She is regarded as the foremost expert in the field of sex and technology, a sex-positive pundit in mainstream media (MacLife, Forbes.com, The Oprah Winfrey Show, others) and is regularly interviewed, quoted and featured prominently by major media outlets (from ABC News to the Wall Street Journal). A published feature writer and columnist, Violet also has many award-winning, best-selling books; her books are featured on Oprah's website. She was the notorious sex columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle. She headlines at conferences ranging from ETech, LeWeb and SXSW: Interactive, to Google Tech Talks at Google, Inc. The London Times named Blue one of the 40 bloggers who really count.

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RE: The Apple fanboy problem
michaellashinsky@... 15th Feb
@drewbud87@...

"...I'm sorry she may not have said it but my guess she was probably offended and did not appreciate the publicity..."

Ms. Blue spoke to the woman, and you did not, but you still think you know what that woman felt more than Ms. Blue?

"I just glanced over this,..."

Maybe you should actually read it, and maybe you will actually comprehend it. Your comment was (mostly) the kind of stupidity the article is talking about. Maybe you should shut your piehole.

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Nice Followup
rhonin 6th Feb
to a very ugly situation initiated by a couple of sad individuals.

Keep up the great work!
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drewbud87@... 13th Feb
I just glanced over this, the whole thing is ridiculous. I think we have a case of dishing it out, but can't take it here. You post this woman's picture calling her "the saddest booth babe"...I'm sorry she may not have said it but my guess she was probably offended and did not appreciate the publicity - i think this was ugly and personal. And so when you get called out on it you make all sorts of ridiculous generalizations on women being "geek outsiders", men on the Internet and Fanbois , if I were a woman I would be offended by your statements. Of course, physical threats are unacceptable/illegal and should be reported to the police. But I'm guessing you like the drama and attention - which is lame. Kindly, please shut your piehole...p.s. I'm not a fanboi of anykind and this has nothing to do with Apple.
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michaellashinsky@... 15th Feb Top Rated
@drewbud87@...

"...I'm sorry she may not have said it but my guess she was probably offended and did not appreciate the publicity..."

Ms. Blue spoke to the woman, and you did not, but you still think you know what that woman felt more than Ms. Blue?

"I just glanced over this,..."

Maybe you should actually read it, and maybe you will actually comprehend it. Your comment was (mostly) the kind of stupidity the article is talking about. Maybe you should shut your piehole.
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conspiritech@... 3rd May
technically the attackers are responsible for the publicity. if they hadn't had their little moment of rage, it would have been only a photo and a caption. perhaps some people are less easily offended than you imagine.
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BrentRBrian 14th Feb
@rhonin

I could not agree more. The same problem plagues the Microsoft and Linux worlds.
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drewbud87@... 15th Feb
michaellashinsky@...
Actually I did read it - and it convinced me even more in what I said. And your post is actually kind of the stupidity I would expect from a lemming who would agree with this stuff. Maybe this woman wanted to keep her job...think about it (it's called empathy). And so a final "please shut your piehole" to you...why can't I reply to your post...seems odd.
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michaellashinsky@... 17th Feb
@drewbud87@...

You cannot reply to my post because, as an unepathetic lemming, I have the mystical ability to prevent potential disagreers from posting replies. We unepathetic lemmings have that ability, don'tcha know! Muwahh Haaa Haaa! (pause to twirl my mustache...)

Actually, zdnet doesn't let the comments nest that deeply. They only go down 3 levels then stop. Its a good thing and a bad thing. It discourages flame wars, which is good. It also discourages more than one round of discussion, which is bad.

1) I know full well what empathy is. 2) I am nobody's lemming. 3) And thank you for actually reading, not just glancing over, the whole article. Feel free to continue disagreeing. I like different opinions, just not the uninformed ones very much.

I still don't see how you can psychically know what that woman was feeling, or have more empathy for her, than the woman that spoke to her and writes about tech and woman's issues for a living. I personally like Violet Blue's opinions and points of view. If I didn't, I would stop reading her articles, but I would not tell her to shut her piehole. It is rude, and does not encourage discussion with, understanding of, or empathy for anyone.

Have a great day. (and keep reading!)

Michael
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That's most like Zs??fia, not Zsfia. It's a Hungarian name.
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@ff2 Great. CNET can't handle non-US-ASCII characters. And that's in 2012.
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glen@... 6th Feb
I think this story and its writer look at the world from a very narrow and cynical view point. It's actually very depressing to read and I hope you dont actually view the world this way violet. Men are not evil people by default.
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AsifHussain1 6th Feb
@glen@... I think the correct statement here would be "Apple fans are not all men, or evil people, by default. That'd be more accurate, and an efficient rebuttal to this entire piece.
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@johndow1 Oh come on ... I don't think anyone ever claimed that ALL Apple fans are men, and all Apple fans are evil people. Clearly that would be a stupid and naive stereotype. Apple fans are obviously not all men, and are clearly not all fanboys. There are, however, some very nasty Apple fanboys out there. Certain people will take anything to an extreme and turn it into something more than just being a fan, becoming unable to tolerate any dissenting opinion and attacking anyone that dares disagree or speak out with an opposing viewpoint. I have run into it many times, and so have many others.
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WarhavenSC Updated - 7th Feb
@toddybottom_z...

They are "fans" of the #1 biggest, richest company in the world? What an odd thing to be a "fan" of.
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Not really. Manchester United is famous for being the biggest and richest football club, yet it has no shortage of fans. And if you think Apple fanboys are crazy, you ain't seen nothing yet... footballers take the cake:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/02/world/middleeast/scores-killed-in-egyptian-soccer-mayhem.html?_r=1
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@Lamerz it goes for anything these days. Say I prefer a Chevy, over a Ford pick up truck. There are those that will get violent if I say in my opinion Chevy is better. Recently a group of Microsoft, and Nokia, employees attacked a blogger that said unflattering things about WP 7. Is this much different?
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Peter Perry 9th Feb
@WarhavenSC Not since the Glazers bought the team! Hahaha! Don't worry, their American football teams isn't any better!
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rocket ride 10th Feb
@johndow1

You're trying to rebut something that nobody actually said.

Judging by John Goober and Spawn King's actions, even the male-appearing "Apple Fanbois" aren't necessarily men by default. . . though SOME of them ARE pretty clearly evil by default.

Sounds like this follow-up article hit you a little close to home. There's an old saying that the sting in any rebuke is in the truth. My guess is that somewhere down inside, you're wondering if you "resemble that remark" or if others think you might. Relax, if you didn't stalk, harass or threaten anyone, we're not talking about you.
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conspiritech@... 3rd May
i have run into people who act (or at least speak) as if men are 'evil by default'. none of ms blue's comments fit that category.
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staffordworks 6th Feb
I love Macs, I love nearly everything Apple has made since 1978, I hate A**holes and I cannot stand people who think they get to be superior because of a product they purchased, yes my 4 year old iphone is still better than my brand new driod but my ownership of them says nothing about my quality and I think that's where the fanboy crap goes off the rails. I also think that there are no where near enough women in the tech world like you, I hope that your example, standing your ground doing the research and refusing to be bowled over by these jerks gives other women more cause to join the ranks, we work in a lopsided profession where half the people who use tech at work and more than half of the gaming world is populated by women yet those in positions of influence are grossly dominated by men, without a balance of opinion and influence how are we supposed to produce stuff that really appeals to the whole market? Kudos to you for setting a great example!
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Nicely said
rhonin 7th Feb
@staffordworks
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bigpicture 7th Feb
@staffordworks There are "facts" and then there are "opinions" the problem with Apple Fanboys is they can't tell the difference. That's why they come off looking like the other definition of this condition: sociopaths
@bigpicture ... so IF you say "I know there is a god" That is a statement of fact and incorrect cause of two things. One it can't be proven there for you can not know. Second and this is my opinion god does not exist. Now if you said "I beleive there is a god" I would have no basis to disagree with you cause you admited by using the word believe that it is an unknown and your opinion not a fact.

Pagan jim
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His_Shadow 8th Feb
@bigpicture There are "facts" (Blue didn't bother to find out who the woman was before insulting her) and there are "opinions" (Shawn King and John Gruber are bullies!).

Violet Blue did not do her job and insulted an anonymous woman. When called on it, she blames "Apple fanboys" for pointing out that SHE was the one who made the mistake. Are you people deliberately obtuse or is there something in the water? You know who comes off looking really bad? Sad little forum boys so enamored of the possibility that a girl might read what they wrote that they fall all over themselves to agree with her, even when the entire issue is her fault for failing to do her job.
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Pete "athynz" Athens 8th Feb
@His_Shadow Violet Blue did not do her job and insulted an anonymous woman. When called on it, she blames "Apple fanboys" for pointing out that SHE was the one who made the mistake.

Again you say that "booth babe" is an insult - there is a large part of the problem.

And YES VB did make an initial mistake in not identifying the girl but King, Gruber, and you frothing at the mouth zealots made it WORSE by misidentifying the girl and taking this whole thing all out of proportion - and threatening VB with physical harm, calling her stupid, whatever... and proving the point of THIS article of hers.

What part of this do you not get in your blind iRage?
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Peter Perry 9th Feb
@James Quinn wow, so 800 years ago when somebody said, "the world is flat" it was a fact at the time in their view of the world.

As for saying, "There is a God"... it is no less true just because you cannot prove something and Science Fact is often proven wrong.

Basically, for you to dismiss the idea because any proof provided would be dismissed doesn't mean there is no basis in fact for any given argument. No, I am not saying the world is Flat and I am not saying that brain cells don't regenerate (which was science fact up until about 10 years ago). I am however saying, that because something isn't explained by science it doesn't make it wrong.
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non-biased 13th Feb
@bigpicture The fact that you seem to think this applies to Apple Fanboys versus fanboys in general no matter the topic makes you come of just as biased as Violet. I am in no way condoning the behavior and to be honest have not clue who these two guys are but I took the article as a self serving piece to get her anti Apple agenda across. I do not normally read Violet's posts but have read enough to know she will twist whatever she can to give it an anti Apple presentation. Due to this I am not surprised she was attacked by fanboys. That most definitely doesn't make it right and it never should have happened but presenting this like it's an Apple Fanboy issue only is being complete hypocritical and she knows it.
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spdragoo@... 8th Feb
@staffordworks

+100

And whoever flagged you should own up, because you provided us with a very insightful & polite rebuttal.
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His_Shadow 8th Feb
@staffordworks Pathetic. Another round of blither from a fanboy who isn't even aware of the issues being discussed.
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tonymcs@... 6th Feb
Apple fanbois chose an expensive computer running a flavour of ancient Unix with exactly the same (well last year's anyway) hardware as everyone else. They have less applications, virtually no games and a UI that really is lipstick on a pig and is different from the other 90% of computer users. Yet they've been told they are the chosen ones who will inherit the future.

Their real problem is constant cognitive dissonance and the fact that their computer has now become part of their personality, so any slight, no matter how small on their perfect machines is a dagger to the core of their being. The fact that most Mac users also have Windows installed must hurt everyday.

Take pity on them Violet, they are in constant pain and only lashing out occasionally brings some relief. They bought an Apple to feel superior and they keep waiting for it to happen. wink

There are of course, other Apple users who just think of it as a computer rather than the last fragment of wood from the Holy Cross, but then we aren't talking about them wink
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AsifHussain1 6th Feb
@tonymcs@... And this right here is the kind of smug, snarky retaliatory nonsense that I'm talking about. The entire comment is Apple hate, with a little bone at the end thrown to the people who aren't like the ones described in the article, as if that's supposed to make it better. It's like saying "I'm not XXXXist, but here's an XXXXist statement, but not the ones who are my friends."

How soon until these tables are turned? How violently will the people who hate this new, suddenly popular wave of anti-apple froth find themselves on the other end? Will they be just as forgiving and fair minded when they're under scrutiny? Doubtful.
@tonymcs@... well thought out and clearly stated missive? It's backed up with loads of un biased studies to prove every statement is indeed a fact so there is no argument with said. BRAVO sir/madam for proving yourself the anti fanboy we've come to know and love:)

Pagan jim
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toddybottom_z 6th Feb
@tonymcs@...
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Of course...
John L. Ries Updated - 7th Feb
@tonymcs@...
...MS-fans never do any of that. Not even you.

Remember the proverb about glass houses.

Reply to toddybottom:

You mean that all of those millitant pro-MS talkbackers are really shills (even the ones who loudly proclaim their own impartiality and devotion to logic as if someone might forget)? Or is it the case that MS-loyalists cannot be classified as fanboys because it's the only logical position to take (as formerly advocated by Anton Phildor)?

BTW: Mike Cox is actually funny and serves the useful purpose of deterring some of the more ridiculous pro-MS hyperbole (Mac and Linux users could benefit from such a champion). It's a pity he hasn't been more active of late, as you're providing lots of good material for him. Stephen-B, on the other hand, appears to be little more than a bad imitation of tonymcs and isn't funny at all.
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There aren't any MS fanbois on ZDNet
toddybottom_z 6th Feb
@John L. Ries
If there were, there would be no need for people to invent Mike Cox and for Rick_Kl to invent Stephen-B. Apple fanbois admit there are no MS fanbois when Apple fanbois invent MS fanboi ZDNet accounts in order to prove that there are MS fanbois.

Just another example of how you people are sick.
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And speaking of "sick"
ScorpioBlue 6th Feb
Just another example of how you people are sick.

You really need to go back to elementary school, little man.
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RE: The Apple fanboy problem
charlesdjones1 6th Feb
@tonymcs@...
There was another group of people in the not- so distant past that felt they possessed superior technology, that they were smarter than the rest of the people in the world, and had a strong devotion to a very clever man with lots of clever ideas... need I say more?
@charlesdjones1 ... is not uncommon amongst people's of the world at one time or another. Still I get it you are pointing to Nazi Germany and trying to paint Apple fans with that brush. Um yeah.... good one:) Next thing you know you'll be accusing Apple Fans of trying to round up MS users and Android user and put them into death camps like the Nazi's did with Gypsies and the Mentally challenged. Oh wait a minute that is a good idea! Oops sorry lost my train of thought their for a minute.. What with dreaming of a better world and all. Shame on you sir for such a vile insult to Apple community....SHAME:)

Pagan jim
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RE: The Apple fanboy problem
CowLauncher 7th Feb
@charlesdjones1 very classy.
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RE: The Apple fanboy problem
Daschmi Updated - 7th Feb
@charlesdjones1
Wasn't there some psychological term for an argument that comet to the point of bringing up Hitler and Nazis? Seems to come up with every heated Debate/Argument/Stormfront....

pretty sad theory, if only I could remember the name of it .....
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Godwin!
psdie8 4th May
@charlesdjones1 - and there's Godwin's as usual.
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@tonymcs@...

LOL - what utter trash. I think you even dated yourself as a dinosaur with some of those Mac comments. I haven't heard anyone for a long while compare Mac apps to Windows apps (not even Windows fanatics).
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RE: The Apple fanboy problem
His_Shadow 8th Feb
@Pete "athynz" Athens All of what? Blue's inability to interview a woman, and then belittle said woman in public for comedic effect, then blame everyone else for Blue's original lazy reporting?
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RE: The Apple fanboy problem
His_Shadow 8th Feb
@tonymcs@... Congratulations. You swallowed it hook, line and sinker, sucker. While the issue all along has been Violet Blue's terrible writing and sexist commentary, a couple of pouty looks and a claim that the "mean old Apple fanboys are picking on me" and you fall right into line. Now you are all raving about Apple fanboys on command when the issue all along was Blue's crap article.

You are blinkered fanboy tools, easily led around by the nose to provide Blue with the saccharin adoration she craves.
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RE: The Apple fanboy problem
Pete "athynz" Athens 8th Feb
@His_Shadow Wasn't all of this taken from King's posts? Did you even bother to read ANY of VB's posts on the subject? Apparently not.
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RE: The Apple fanboy problem
AsifHussain1 6th Feb
And it's just a matter of time before the comments here devolve into the frothing Apple hate that's been a rising tide just as much as the Apple fanboi-ism that's been eating the web for decades. The thing I don't understand is that - for an issue that's really about the web's hatred towards women - that this many words has never been spent on the inverse: the way Android fans have rabidly taken to the anti iPhone banner, or the way Windows fans have taken up the cause to battle against anything Apple or i-anything. There are two sides here, and both of them are just as abusive to women.

Is it that there have been no huge instances of major Windows or Android proponents attacking women in this way? Does Eric Schmidt or Paul Thurott have to say something horrible and hateful before we get the inverse? What about the way social network users get angry at each other? Are Twitter users worse than Facebook users worse than Google+ users in similar issues? Will there be an article about it?

I don't refute the issue here or the research in any way, but it's just written in such an alarmist, misdirected manner that the message comes off as "APPLE FANBOYS ARE HORRIBLE AND HATE WOMEN AND ALL GOOD THINGS" which is a misdirection from the real problem, which has nothing to do with what product you choose to buy or how you choose to spend your money. This would have been a more instructional read if the focus had been on the people, what they said, and how product identity has motivated them specifically, without casting such a massively broad net.
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@johndow1

It's all part of Violet's shtick, not surprise. It's almost like she anticipate what she writes would cause some type of controversy, and then go on a men bashing Apple fanboy hating rant afterwords.
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Be careful. Being an Apple fan is like belonging to a religion. People start wars over religion. Keep your head down and don't make eye contact.
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RE: The Apple fanboy problem
jeremychappell 6th Feb
@lippidp No it isn't. This is nonsense. There are users of ALL computer systems who are rather too invested in their platform choice, but it is lazy thinking to characterise Apple owners as "religious". Some might be "passionate advocates" and some not. Is that REALLY so different to users of any other platform?
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RE: The Apple fanboy problem
Lester Young 11th Feb
@jeremychappell

Aren't you the guy who wrote a fake review of Windows 7 to run it down before its release? Gain some integrity!
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