Why You Should Think Twice About Opting-In to the Delicious-AVOS Transfer

By | April 29, 2011, 4:16pm PDT

Summary: Delicious users should read the new AVOS Terms of Service and Privacy Policy closely, as the changes are both significant and potentially change Delicious’ nature.

It takes “only 30 seconds” to transfer your Delicious bookmarks to its new owner AVOS, though few are aware that Delicious users are signing up to a vastly different set of terms.

Most people are unaware of what they just agreed to. Meanwhile, AVOS is conspicuously silent on the matter.

When it was leaked that Yahoo! was going to ’sunset’ social bookmarking site Delicious, a sizable outcry was heard ’round the internet that significant community, value and data was going to be lost.

Since its inception, Delicious has been a teeming community of link cataloging and sharing. Like many of its acquisitions, Yahoo! essentially kept the lights on at Delicious to make the empty brand look occupied, while letting the site languish.

The recent announcement that YouTube founders Chad Hurley and Steven Chen - with their company AVOS - had picked up Delicious and were going to breathe new life into it has been welcomed by many.

Two nights ago I was among those who received the transition email from Yahoo! encouraging me to do a quick-click transfer of my Delicious bookmarks to the new brand, AVOS.

As a longtime user, I was deeply concerned when I saw a pop-up warning telling me I was agreeing to AVOS’ Terms and a separate Privacy Policy.

We all deal with enough questionable privacy activity with Facebook collecting our history, link records and data. What was so different, here?

Serious Changes to Delicious Terms and Privacy: Link Censorship and Discretionary Deletion

Taking a look at the current Delicious Terms versus AVOS’s new Terms is eye-opening. Considering what Delicious’ nature is, I think users need to be aware that the new Delicious is not going to be the same Delicious.

The rules of the Delicious link game are now quite different.

Where Delicious users were once free to link, collect and post any link they want to, this will no longer be the case. Especially in when it comes to so-called - and undefined - “offensive” content.

Current (and about to be former) Delicious Terms state:

The linked websites’ content, business practices and privacy policies are not under the control of Delicious, and Delicious is not responsible for the content of any linked website or any link contained in a linked website. (…) In accessing Delicious or following links to third-party websites you may be exposed to content that you consider offensive or inappropriate. You agree that your only recourse is to stop using Delicious.

The New AVOS-Delicious Terms have new rules - rules that change Delicious in a serious way:

You agree not to do any of the following: post, upload, publish, submit or transmit any Content that: (…) violates, or encourages any conduct that would violate, any applicable law or regulation or would give rise to civil liability; (iii) is fraudulent, false, misleading or deceptive; (iv) is defamatory, obscene, pornographic, vulgar or offensive (…)

Punishment for posting links that violate the new Terms: AVOS-Delicious has the right to remove all your bookmarks/content at its discretion and without notice.

Also note in that excerpt regarding violating laws or regulations: does this mean linking to GeoHot-like issues, Torrent Freak topics, or links pertaining to the organization of revolutions?

This is not the same Delicious.

I mean nothing personal to my friend Marshall Kirkpatrick at Read Write Web, but I find the ‘Why Every Single Person Should Take 30 Seconds to Opt-in to the Delicious Data Transfer‘ approach to be worrisome.

Also unlinked from any main pages at AVOS and difficult to find - unless you got the Yahoo! email - is the new AVOS-Delicious Privacy Policy that users are now agreeing to (here is the current, and very different Delicious Privacy Policy). Considering that we’re not being clearly informed about agreeing to new use Terms, it seems that we should read the new privacy policy carefully.

Now, if you’re the person reading this and thinking that if anyone posts to porn or offensive content, well, they shouldn’t be doing that anyway… I promise tell you that eventually you will find out how idiotic this response is - the hard way.

And you’re not a Delicious user.

Unless you’re the one idiot that can tell all of us what constitutes “obscene, pornographic, vulgar or offensive” content - as there is no universal definition of these terms, and AVOS isn’t exactly telling us that they mean.

Giving AVOS the benefit of the doubt, I emailed them as a ZDNet columnist two days ago asking specifically for help understanding the change in this section of the terms. I wrote AVOS:

I see that as per your acquisition of Delicious, users must agree to the AVOS Terms of Service, which are different than the Delicious Terms, both old and current. Specifically, your terms seem to prohibit publishing links to content that was not prohibited or actively censored under the old Terms.
AVOS Terms state that users may not “Post, upload, publish, submit or transmit any Content that (…) is (…) obscene, pornographic, vulgar or offensive.”
Does this mean that Delicious will now be taking action against users for collecting these links? How will Delicious be policing this new policy?
I’d also like to know, what, exactly, constitutes Delicious content that would be considered “obscene, pornographic, vulgar or offensive.”
AVOS is still silent on the matter. Maybe they’re hoping it will just get bookmarked, and forgotten.

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Violet Blue is a Forbes Web Celeb, SF Appeal contributor, a high-profile tech personality and one of Wired's Faces of Innovation.

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Violet Blue

I am currently freelancing part-time (only) for ReadWriteWeb for their general news blog and their Start (startup tools) channel; this was made in agreement that I would not write about anything that might conflict subjects in my blog (no sex content). I'm under contract to publisher Cleis Press for editing three more books (only) with the topics of women's/couples' erotica. I have been writing and editing books for Cleis Press for ten years on the subjects of erotica and human sexuality (guidebooks). I'm not under exclusive contract anywhere/to anyone/to anything, I have no investments.

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Violet Blue (tinynibbles.com, @violetblue) is a Forbes Web Celeb, SF Appeal contributor, a high-profile tech personality and one of Wired's Faces of Innovation. She is regarded as the foremost expert in the field of sex and technology, a sex-positive pundit in mainstream media (MacLife, Forbes.com, The Oprah Winfrey Show, others) and is regularly interviewed, quoted and featured prominently by major media outlets (from ABC News to the Wall Street Journal). A published feature writer and columnist, Violet also has many award-winning, best-selling books; her books are featured on Oprah's website. She was the notorious sex columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle. She headlines at conferences ranging from ETech, LeWeb and SXSW: Interactive, to Google Tech Talks at Google, Inc. The London Times named Blue one of the 40 bloggers who really count.

Talkback Most Recent of 38 Talkback(s)

  • RE: Why You Should Think Twice About Opting-In to the Delicious-AVOS Transfer
    Sounds like standard legalese to immunize the new owners from any liability implications. DHS/FBI/DOJ and NSA routinely scrub for data and provisions in the Patriot act allow them to access profiles without warrants. Should any of these 3 letter government agencies find prosecution material, then safe harbor under DMCA is simply not enough to stave off legal action.

    All delicious, diigo or any cloud hosted services should never assume their privacy is protected like a swiss account. You don't like it? Then use client side services only.
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    shikary
    29th Apr
  • RE: Why You Should Think Twice About Opting-In to the Delicious-AVOS Transfer
    @shikary Thanks, I really enjoyed the article in a bad way. Really made me think about opting "out". Jim @ http://www.allfloormachine.com/
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    cloudsifter
    9th Nov
  • RE: Why You Should Think Twice About Opting-In to the Delicious-AVOS Transfer
    Very relevant article. I enjoyed to read about it. Thanks
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    SmithRoy
    21st Oct
  • RE: Why You Should Think Twice About Opting-In to the Delicious-AVOS Transfer
    @shikary I actually didn't read the terms until now but was pleasantly relieved to find that they don't appear to have been written by a lawyer. Check it out. Motorschaden http://www.motorschaden-ankauf-24.de/
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    qavishahzad
    9th Nov
  • RE: Why You Should Think Twice About Opting-In to the Delicious-AVOS Transfer
    @shikary I haven't tried Pinbord.in myself. But it's the most similar one to Delicious regarding TOS. Although you have to pay(only once) like 9 bucks to join. Dubai company
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    qavishahzad
    5th Nov
  • ZDNet Blogger

    Not Just Standard Legalese
    Legalese on the Privacy changes in parts, yes: but in the Privacy section they've also changed their policies around under-18 users. That's not just legalese. I highly recommend reading both in comparison.

    The change to Terms is part standard legalese -

    - BUT it begins a major change in regard to user content.

    They're not making that clear, at all.
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    Violet Blue
    29th Apr
  • RE: Why You Should Think Twice About Opting-In to the Delicious-AVOS Transfer
    Can you recommend another bookmarking site like delicious? I have been looking for something similar, but to date, I have not really found it.
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    solobizcoach
    30th Apr
  • Well,
    @solobizcoach
    have you looked into Diigo and Google Bookmarks? While not as permissive as Delicious they're alright.. (imo)

    I haven't tried Pinbord.in myself. But it's the most similar one to Delicious regarding TOS. Although you have to pay(only once) like 9 bucks to join.
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    cameigons
    1st May
  • Try Pinboard
    Moved my bookmarking over to Pinboard and it feels very similar to Delicious. I actually didn't read the terms until now but was pleasantly relieved to find that they don't appear to have been written by a lawyer. Check it out.
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    leeahaynes
    30th Apr
  • RE: Why You Should Think Twice About Opting-In to the Delicious-AVOS Transfer
    AVOS has a Google PR of 1.
    Delicious has a Google PR of 7.
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    Sabreblade
    30th Apr
  • Big Deal
    Sheesh, Violet - your alarmist headline had me worried there for a minute. I'm not understanding your beef -
    do you think the very experienced founders of YouTube will go all evil on us and start censoring stuff just to piss people like you off? Not likely.

    Delicious is a private company, so free speech rights just don't apply. Whether you're using Facebook, Twitter, or any private site, you need to respect the wishes of the host.

    What's more, you can't even issue a stream of profanity on the public airwaves. Just ask Howard Stern about that. Besides, how much porn and offensive content gets widely linked on Delicious anyway?

    You're really making a mountain out of molehill. After reading this post, I'm even happier to have opted in to the new Delicious terms of service. The new owners seem to actually care about the future of the service - unmanaged sites where anything goes are generally worthless. Whittle's law: "In the age of user-generated content, the bad drives away the good."
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    dave.whittle@...
    30th Apr
  • ZDNet Blogger

    Yes, it's a Big Deal
    @dave.whittle@ I'm glad you commented, thank you. Let me parse your comment so I can respond to everything.

    > Sheesh, Violet - your alarmist headline had me worried there for a minute. I'm not understanding your beef -

    My issue is that they have changed the Terms and the way the service works and did not tell the users. The change is huge if you know who uses (used) Delicious. The change was so non-transparent that people are reacting with surprise when they compare the changes I've shown by copy/pasting and putting them side-by-side. Additionally, users now face punitive actions for violating the changes. It's a big deal if you use the service. Perhaps you do not.

    > do you think the very experienced founders of YouTube will go all evil on us and start censoring stuff just to piss people like you off? Not likely.

    You presuppose that because you think the new owners are "good" (as in, not "all evil") that we should trust them not to exercise Terms they have added. Just because someone is perceived as "good" we should not abandon criticism and caution. If we do, we lose our objectivity and become like TechCrunch and only say good things about people we like (because it serves us to do so, while it does a disservice to everyone else).

    And I did not write (or state anywhere else) AVOS would act on their Terms "just to piss people ...off." You are making this part up.

    > Delicious is a private company, so free speech rights just don't apply. Whether you're using Facebook, Twitter, or any private site, you need to respect the wishes of the host.

    Frees speech is not in my article (again, you have added this). Additionally, I hate it when people cry "Free speech" when a company acts on its own rules in it own sandbox.

    > What's more, you can't even issue a stream of profanity on the public airwaves. Just ask Howard Stern about that.

    The internet is not, and will *hopefully* never be "the airwaves." This isn't the FCC's domain.

    > Besides, how much porn and offensive content gets widely linked on Delicious anyway?

    LOTS. Some of Delicious' biggest and most active communities were sex link collectors and people that cataloged the strange and bizarre, the political and the offensive. That's why the old Terms were a perfect fit for the users. Don't like it? Change the channel.

    The users have not changed - the service has, and they didn't tell the users. I'm just trying to tell the users.

    > You're really making a mountain out of molehill. After reading this post, I'm even happier to have opted in to the new Delicious terms of service. The new owners seem to actually care about the future of the service - unmanaged sites where anything goes are generally worthless. Whittle's law: "In the age of user-generated content, the bad drives away the good."

    That's your opinion and I'm glad you left it here. Good that you'd be happy to trust a company with your hard work and data, and community - absolutely blindly because you *think* they might be good people who "seem to care."

    I'll end with my favorite quote, which happens to come from a friend, John Gilmore. "The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

    In this case, it looks like a number of people have routed themselves over to Pinboard.
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    Violet Blue
    30th Apr
  • RE: Why You Should Think Twice About Opting-In to the Delicious-AVOS Transfer
    @violetblue

    "That's your opinion and I'm glad you left it here" is a cop-out. You have not engaged his opinion at all. Instead, you have indulged in a childish mockery of genuine debate, using opinions like clubs to bash each other with.

    Trading quotes passed of as 'laws' is just as bad.

    What is even stranger, the one thing I found truly odious in the new TOS (as you described them) is something you STILL have said next to nothing about: that the new owners have the right to delete ALL of the user's content for one alleged violation.
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    mejohnsn
    2nd May
  • Bye Bye Delicious
    @violetblue

    Thanks for your article. It was timely and informative journalism. I'm bad about clicking through TOS because I don't want to spend my life reading the hundreds of TOS for internet and technology companies who's products I use daily.

    The possibility of having some or all of my bookmarks deleted is completely unacceptable. I'm also bad about making backups. I'll be routing myself over to Pinboard too. I almost did that before AVOS bought them.
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    colinnwn
    2nd May
  • thank you
    Thanks Violet. I skimmed the AVOS T&C and hesitated for two days. I'm glad you've broken it down for us. It is very disconcerting. So if we do choose to continue using Delicious, we should constantly back up as the bookmarks could be mysteriously removed at any time for reasons that AVOS deem are offensive.

    @dave.whittle, yes the irony indeed! If a bot sees your post as spam and censors it, imagine what AVOS bots will do when they delete entire accounts based on similarly fallible filters.
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    ricmo
    1st May

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