Jason Perlow
Yes, clicks rule
No, bricks live
David Gewirtz
Best Argument: Yes, clicks rule
Closing Statements
It's merely a question of when
Jason Perlow
It's not a question of "will" retail Brick and Mortar die, but "when". For certain types of businesses, it will happen faster than others.
Only the biggest and most powerful and most efficient retailers -- such as Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Target, and Costco --
will survive the culling. So in the future there may not be as much choice for comparison shopping in Brick and Mortar, especially if these powerful chains, or companies like Amazon, end up owning much of the electronic shopping real estate as well, or end up controlling the channel for smaller distributors of specialty goods.
For durable goods with lots of reviews, which are not highly specialized and aren't as susceptible to the sensual experience in order to make a convincing buy, customers are going to move to online sales much sooner rather than later.
All of this depends how quickly the enabling technologies mature and how much they cost. Technology is certainly moving extremely fast in this area and it is difficult to predict when this retail transformation to a largely online-based model is going to occur.
For the middle class it will very likely happen a lot faster than for the working class, since they will easier be able to afford the enabling technology. But eventually, everyone will prefer to shop online.
Change is always in the air
David Gewirtz
There's no doubt that change is in the air. Change is always in the air. That means that some retailers will go out of business, some will flourish, and we'll even see new players enter the market.
The online commerce world is tapping into the needs of consumers, but it, too, is at risk. For example, while UPS and FedEx can shoulder much of the delivery burden, so too must the very beleaguered US Postal Service. While huge sellers like Amazon can shoulder increases in shipping costs, most small e-commerce vendors can't.
And there's the rub. Even in e-commerce, there's a shake-out. Free shipping programs like Amazon Prime effectively sideline many smaller sellers, or send them into the somewhat unreliable arms of "fulfilled by Amazon."
There are good and timeless reasons to shop retail, from the need for goods today, to the desire to handle, see, and touch a product, to the desire to validate that what you're buying is what is actually being represented as for sale, to validating quality personally, to the inability to reliably get packages, to the desire to not spend on shipping, to the difficulty in surviving the individual package shipping process, to the increasing problem of poorly packed products -- and so on.
Jason is right that clicks will grow. I, personally, buy far more online than in person. But I'm relatively affluent, and when I don't want to go into a store, my wife is willing to put up with the crowds and lines.
I do have to caution that most affluent and even moderately affluent people have no real picture of what the poor in America are dealing with. The more we integrate e-commerce into our daily lives, the more we leave those people behind.
If China can push many of its formerly impoverished citizens into the middle class, so can we. And once we do, they, too, can shop at retailers like WalMart and Target, buy from Amazon and Apple, and bring pepper spray to an Xbox sale.
It's the circle of life and it's a beautiful, beautiful thing.
Perlow wins
Lawrence Dignan
This debate was lopsided in Jason Perlow's favor. I went into the debate skeptical that e-commerce would trump physical retail, but Perlow almost convinced me. Jason is the winner hands down given his solid arguments for his side.
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David Gewirtz: No, e-commerce is not killing brick-and-mortar. Changing business models are hurting some retailers, while others are thriving.
This is not new. For more than a century, retailers have had to change with the times or lose their customer base. Whether it was the big fight in the early and mid-20th century against chain stores (there was actual legislation), or the cries in the later 20th century against so-called Big Box stores and WalMart, or the backlash against online music distribution and Amazon-like e-commerce, there's always been change and pushback by those threatened by change.
As long as there are pepper-sprayin' mamas willing to dive head first into crowds of WalMart shoppers in order to score cheap XBox 360s, the full-contact, hands-on, brick-and-mortar shopping spirit will remain alive and well.
Talkback
RE: Great Debate: Is e-commerce killing brick and mortar?
RE: Great Debate: Is e-commerce killing brick and mortar?
Additionally, that are things that I want to see inspect, check the box and content, maybe check how it works and that can't be done online.
Brick and mortal can win me over with sales, price drops, etc - everything they sell is made in china and the wholesale price is less than 50% of MSRP, I am sure. If the store can drop the price by 50-60% for Thanksgiving, they have a lot of room to play with.
Fact - my husband's employer makes a product that is sold to Walmart for xx and Walmart sells that product 5x the wholesale price.
Online stores will win as long as their selling price plus shipping and plus tax is lower than brick and mortal store - we all know that that is a very common thing and has nothing to do with "sales tax savings" like some of comments suggested. If I can buy something for $50 plus tax in local store or buy it online for $30 including shipping - sales tax has nothing to do with it. It is simple rip off by a local store.
Agree!!
I do the majority of my comparison shopping at brick and mortar stores - then shop online and compare all for the best price, best warranty, AND the best return policy (some stores have gotten really bad).
This is from a person who does the majority of my shopping online (outside fo food staples)........
Once I find what, it is all about the money.
There is a need for both.
Even with things like computer components there is room for both. A great example is Mircocenter. If you are fortunate enough to live near one you know that on many items they equal or beat the top online stores.
But....lets not forget the sales tax boogy man. Right now, If I go to my local Microcenter, I'm gong to have to pay sales tax. But if I order online, I don't (usually) pay sales tax but do often (but not always) pay shipping charges. If certain politicians win out and we have to start paying sales tax online too, then online stores are going to be faced with both shipping costs and sales tax too. This may change the overall balance.
RE: Great Debate: Is e-commerce killing brick and mortar?
RE: Great Debate: Is e-commerce killing brick and mortar?
Collect sales tax in the store/warehouse's state, absolutely. Collect sales tax in the customer's state, H*** NO.
RE: Great Debate: Is e-commerce killing brick and mortar?
RE: Great Debate: Is e-commerce killing brick and mortar?
RE: Great Debate: Is e-commerce killing brick and mortar?
Interstate sales tax is a nightmare.