Matthew Miller
Yes
No
Jason Perlow
Best Argument: No
The moderater has delivered his final verdict.
Opening Statements
There's a place for these two
Matthew Miller: In my last Great Debate I argued why I thought Nokia would turn things around compared to RIM and now we are looking to see if both or either can survive given the overwhelming success of Apple and Google. I know it is not a popular opinion, but I still think there is a viable place for both RIM and Nokia to succeed and I would not be surprised to see Apple actually flatten out for a couple of reasons.
Nokia is stumbling more than I thought they would (10,000 upcoming layoffs and major leadership changes are a big deal) and I am a bit concerned about their leadership. RIM now has their leadership figured out and the only real concern I have with them is the ability to get BlackBerry OS 10 out on hardware before the end of the year.
Both can succeed in the mobile space, but "success" also requires definition.
Survival unlikely for either
Jason Perlow: Once mobile industry titans, RIM and Nokia owned significant pieces of the handset market in North America, the EMEA region and Asia.
But over the past several years, their commanding market lead in smartphones has eroded to single digit levels and given way to much more aggressive competitors -- Apple with its iOS products and Google with its Android operating system and their legion of Asian OEMs.
What happened? Both RIM and Nokia sat on their laurels with aging technology (BlackBerry OS and Symbian) and allowed "Not invented here" syndrome to pervade their corporate culture.
Nokia scrambled first to compensate by throwing their baby, Symbian, out with the bathwater in favor of a partnership with Microsoft. In the wake of the iPad, RIM bought QNX to create BlackBerry OS 10.
Only Nokia currently has handsets to show for their "Burning Platform" efforts, but like RIM, the company is in immediate danger of financial collapse due to disappointing sales, and both companies have had to trim significant employee headcount and enact other austerity measures just to stay alive.
While both of these companies have assets of potentially strategic value, neither of them are likely to survive as independent entities or even in one piece.
Talkback
RIM should survive
Nokia has already died
I hope RIM doesn't sell out to anyone.
Nokia fine, RIM RIP
Nokia will survive
Some of the old Nokia dug am undersea tunnel and escaped to Jolla!
But now, many of the old Maemo/MeeGo folks have set up shop as Jolla and they claim they'll have their first phone out by the end of the year; here's wishing them luck!
And with regard to the debate, I'm not sure I understand the question: what exactly constitutes survival? I don't believe either company will exist much longer as a free-standing entity, but they'll both survive as captives of some other entities. With RIM, it will probably be an outright acquisition. With Nokia, well, they may just continue to be infiltrated by Microsofties to the point where all the milk is going to Redmond even if Microsoft never outright buys the cow.
I guess that's a "No".
Intel's money
*irony is 10 years ago the top mobile processor was the Intel Xscale ARM, as seen in iPaq's and Axim's across the world, and they flogged it to Marvell to push x86 mobile.
I find it strange that....
Ok....
And I am for yes...
Correction:
ZuneResurection.blogspot.com