this is a non-issue. The problem was caught before it was released to the general public.
Oh thats right. This only counts if it was MS.
In that case, this proves Linux will never make it. I gotta keep my prejudices straight.
Last-minute bug zaps Ubuntu Lucid Lynx
Summary
Ubuntu developers on Thursday surmounted a last-minute bug-fixing crisis to release Ubuntu Linux 10.04, codenamed Lucid Lynx.
Topics
Ubuntu developers on Thursday surmounted a last-minute bug-fixing crisis to release Ubuntu Linux 10.04, codenamed Lucid Lynx, the operating system's first Long-Term Support version since April 2008.
The bug, which affected Ubuntu's ability to dual-boot alongside another operating system, was discovered just as the finished 10.04 installation disk images were about to be pushed out.
The problem affected the bootloader and made it impossible for a dual-boot user to switch back to Windows once Ubuntu was installed. Developers realized that the dual-boot bug was likely to have a serious impact on first-time consumer users — the very users being targeted with Lucid Lynx. Lucid Lynx is now available.
For more of this story, read Ubuntu dev team zap last-minute bug to release 'Lucid Lynx' on ZDNet UK.
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this is a non-issue. The problem was caught on time and a fix will be released to the general public on a future patch Tuesday as soon as maybe next summer. Kudos to Microsoft for their efforts to keep customers safe and happy. This has caused no disruption.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know this last minute bug is a non-issue whatsoever. After all no one is going to use it so who cares how many bugs pop out.
In some localized markets, perhaps. Globally, larger than Apple which is all irrelevant. This is about a bug in a new release which was discovered and fixed before it was actually released. I am not sure where the story is here.
Loverock would have gone on to add;
Microsoft's responsiveness to these kinds of issues is why Linux will never be able to compete. Why just the other day, as I was looking a blog post about the problems with Slackware 1.0 installations, I told myself, "self, that Linux ain't n'er gonna compete with no real, bone a fide actual operating system like Windows ME!"
Microsoft's responsiveness to these kinds of issues is why Linux will never be able to compete. Why just the other day, as I was looking a blog post about the problems with Slackware 1.0 installations, I told myself, "self, that Linux ain't n'er gonna compete with no real, bone a fide actual operating system like Windows ME!"
The very first post and I get mentioned!! 
It's not a surprise though considering this guy has been stalking me for a number of months now. Its getting to the point that he now wants to be me. Scary stuff.
It's not a surprise though considering this guy has been stalking me for a number of months now. Its getting to the point that he now wants to be me. Scary stuff. 
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someone forgot to log in with their other alias.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
if wanting to be you is scary, just how terrifying it must be to really be you.
Wow that cured me.
I promise I'll stop stalking if you actually post Facts (the verifiable kind, not the "it must be true cause I said it" kind). I would also accept sources to prove that you are not just pulling your claims out of your nether-regions. I know you wouldn't post such evidence though. You like me following you so why would you destroy that by actually trying to back up your claims. It's either that or you have nothing to back them up.
Wow that cured me.
I promise I'll stop stalking if you actually post Facts (the verifiable kind, not the "it must be true cause I said it" kind). I would also accept sources to prove that you are not just pulling your claims out of your nether-regions. I know you wouldn't post such evidence though. You like me following you so why would you destroy that by actually trying to back up your claims. It's either that or you have nothing to back them up.
You are one of the ABM gang that is quick to put all of the blame on MS for everything and your xenophobic ways are all too ubiqitous on this site and quite dull and boring. Try before you bash. mmmmmkay?
Oh, and not just for a week and then declare, for example, the "ribbon" is horrible and unusable...compared to the oo.org menu stylings that are a copy of Office '97
thanks.
Oh, and not just for a week and then declare, for example, the "ribbon" is horrible and unusable...compared to the oo.org menu stylings that are a copy of Office '97
thanks.
Hello Pot,
And what, pray tell, would YOU say if it were MS and Windows? I will spare you my predictions, but I think people can make a well-educated guess as to what your reaction would be.
So long.
Signed: Kettle
"The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed."
And what, pray tell, would YOU say if it were MS and Windows? I will spare you my predictions, but I think people can make a well-educated guess as to what your reaction would be.
So long.
Signed: Kettle
"The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed."
Sh*t happens, I have the 64-bit and it is rather slow,
but ket's hope it will be fixed soon.
but ket's hope it will be fixed soon.
My Microsoft rep took me to lunch and told me that what happened was the wrong furball.....ummm tarball was compiled.
PLEASE clarify! If we downloaded ON Thursday, does that mean the version we have WILL work correctly without modification or WON'T?
Is there any way to tell BEFORE installing? I downloaded both the Server and Desktop editions but haven't installed either yet. I would hate to have to redownload 1.2 GB if not necessary. (I downloaded Desktop around 9 pm Central, so I assume that's okay, but Server around 3 pm.)
Is there any way to tell BEFORE installing? I downloaded both the Server and Desktop editions but haven't installed either yet. I would hate to have to redownload 1.2 GB if not necessary. (I downloaded Desktop around 9 pm Central, so I assume that's okay, but Server around 3 pm.)
This issue affects the 20100427.1 release of desktop Ubuntu. If your release is newer than this (newer than 27 April 2010) it should be fine (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765)
In that release, in a dual boot environment the other operating system does not appear at first in the GRUB menu. You must do a system update (that's fast) and reboot to fix the issue.
In that release, in a dual boot environment the other operating system does not appear at first in the GRUB menu. You must do a system update (that's fast) and reboot to fix the issue.
The daily build of April, 27th (which was originally meant to be released as the final official version) was *not* released as the official version. Not at all.
They spun a new daily build on April, 29th, containing the fix, which was then released as the official version. So all is well.
They spun a new daily build on April, 29th, containing the fix, which was then released as the official version. So all is well.
Doesn't affect me - no RAID, but look at this comment (#78):
Alvin Thompson wrote on 2010-04-29:
If you're going to fix this before the release, how about also fixing bug 568183 / bug 191119 as well? Those bugs can actually destroy your data on RAID partitions, even if the user did not elect to use the RAID partitions during the install. This has been confirmed by several people at this point.
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/568183
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parted/+bug/191119
Alvin Thompson wrote on 2010-04-29:
If you're going to fix this before the release, how about also fixing bug 568183 / bug 191119 as well? Those bugs can actually destroy your data on RAID partitions, even if the user did not elect to use the RAID partitions during the install. This has been confirmed by several people at this point.
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/568183
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parted/+bug/191119
It was late Thursday when I got my copy of Lucid desktop downloaded and burned. (I date all install CDs I burn) and loaded it onto the hard drive where I have XP Pro. I had the 10.04 RC on before and the Final release on it now. I have no problem dual booting on my Dell PowerEdge 300SC with twin PIII 800Mhz and 786 RAM. That old server machine makes an excellent desktop, for what I paid for it.
Maybe the problem was somehow connected to Vista or Win7. Or, maybe this bug was why it was not until late 4/29, EDT, that the Ubuntu website posted the download.
Paul, the Switch OSer.
Paul
Maybe the problem was somehow connected to Vista or Win7. Or, maybe this bug was why it was not until late 4/29, EDT, that the Ubuntu website posted the download.
Paul, the Switch OSer.
Paul
The officially released version, which is the one released on Thursday, is the fixed version. I participated myself in the discussion on Launchpad with the developers. They fixed it in time.
The originally planned version was the daily build of April 27th; they usually release the daily build of two days before the release date. In order to have time for last-minute emergency fixes for high-impact bugs.
What was released eventually, was the daily build of April, 29th. That's right: fixed on the release date. In time. Before the official release.
Kudo's for the developers, they worked their asses off. Having assembled in London for celebrating the release and (no doubt) to get gloriously drunk, they had to work like heck instead. I hope they still were able to have a grand party afterwards with lots of booze.
The originally planned version was the daily build of April 27th; they usually release the daily build of two days before the release date. In order to have time for last-minute emergency fixes for high-impact bugs.
What was released eventually, was the daily build of April, 29th. That's right: fixed on the release date. In time. Before the official release.
Kudo's for the developers, they worked their asses off. Having assembled in London for celebrating the release and (no doubt) to get gloriously drunk, they had to work like heck instead. I hope they still were able to have a grand party afterwards with lots of booze.
Oh bull crap! This was not a bug! This was intentional by the developers of loony lynx. They can't stand it that linux has such a small market share and that people don't want to use it that they purposely put this bug in there so people would be stuck with the inferior linux system instead of realizing how bad it sucks and booting back into Microsoft Windows.
These developers should be ashamed of themselves for trying such a tasteless tactic. We need to bring a class action lawsuit against Canonical for purposely ruining people's machines. No wonder Mark Shuttleworth quit, he was working with a bunch of incompetent developers.
I can't wait until people ask me about linux and I can point them to this article and then proceed to tell them just how negligent linux developers are and to stay away from it. Their products are untested and don't work properly. You only get a limited computing experience because linux doesn't support all the hardware your PC may have, just basic functionality. That means no rich multimedia experience, just the one sound at a time, compile compile compile!
These developers should be ashamed of themselves for trying such a tasteless tactic. We need to bring a class action lawsuit against Canonical for purposely ruining people's machines. No wonder Mark Shuttleworth quit, he was working with a bunch of incompetent developers.
I can't wait until people ask me about linux and I can point them to this article and then proceed to tell them just how negligent linux developers are and to stay away from it. Their products are untested and don't work properly. You only get a limited computing experience because linux doesn't support all the hardware your PC may have, just basic functionality. That means no rich multimedia experience, just the one sound at a time, compile compile compile!
OSS is an old, long abandoned, sound system for Linux that only let one application use the sound card at once.
ALSA is the sound system Linux has been using for several years now and it allows multiple applications to access the sound card simultaneously.
PulseAudio is a sound server that sits on top of ALSA. Being a sound server Pulse Audio allows multiple apps to access the sound card simultaneously. Pulse Audio lets you stream audio to a sound server over LAN. (makes it nice for gaming over a network, doesn't it?) Ah... almost forgot: Pulse gives independent volume controls for each app. Ah... almost forgot: Alsa/Pulse makes it easy to deal with multiple cards too.
So neither Alsa nor Pulse Audio show any of the imaginary "issues" you mention and with Pulse Audio Linux sound is as advanced and functional as can be. What PulseAudio brings to Linux that ALSA doesn't is the network functionality and independent volume controls for each app. And let us not forget: Pulse feels real happy in a system that has multiple sound cards too.
To sum things up: your "doubts" make no sense, all of them are figments of your sick imagination. I hope this brief has helped clear them (I'm not optimistic though, it seems to me that your intelectual capabilities are quite limited.) As for me, I'm one for hoping that if Microsoft works very hard at it, some day they might even be able to keep up with Pulse even if with some lag. That would be very welcomed by all of you passionate windows advocates, would it not?
ALSA is the sound system Linux has been using for several years now and it allows multiple applications to access the sound card simultaneously.
PulseAudio is a sound server that sits on top of ALSA. Being a sound server Pulse Audio allows multiple apps to access the sound card simultaneously. Pulse Audio lets you stream audio to a sound server over LAN. (makes it nice for gaming over a network, doesn't it?) Ah... almost forgot: Pulse gives independent volume controls for each app. Ah... almost forgot: Alsa/Pulse makes it easy to deal with multiple cards too.
So neither Alsa nor Pulse Audio show any of the imaginary "issues" you mention and with Pulse Audio Linux sound is as advanced and functional as can be. What PulseAudio brings to Linux that ALSA doesn't is the network functionality and independent volume controls for each app. And let us not forget: Pulse feels real happy in a system that has multiple sound cards too.
To sum things up: your "doubts" make no sense, all of them are figments of your sick imagination. I hope this brief has helped clear them (I'm not optimistic though, it seems to me that your intelectual capabilities are quite limited.) As for me, I'm one for hoping that if Microsoft works very hard at it, some day they might even be able to keep up with Pulse even if with some lag. That would be very welcomed by all of you passionate windows advocates, would it not?
We all know it is an act to get attention. No one is that stupid.
Ignore him and they go away. I stopped believing in trolls at a young age and that's what happened for me.
Ignore him and they go away. I stopped believing in trolls at a young age and that's what happened for me.
loverock doesn't mind if you ignore him, he will use the talkbacks to drop his drivel in anyway.
...but it's caused me no end of problems. On my system (and this is going back to at least Ubuntu 8.04) it's been prone to frequent crashing. Typically what'll happen is Flash or Rythmbox will stop producing sound. I try to avoid pulseaudio at all costs.
Take a deep breathe there buddy.
Now that you are breathing, remove your tin foil hat and come up with some original relevant complaints rather than 15 year old problems. Hey, they exist. Why not do some research so that you can actually post real common issues.
Now that you are breathing, remove your tin foil hat and come up with some original relevant complaints rather than 15 year old problems. Hey, they exist. Why not do some research so that you can actually post real common issues.
Can you or anyone else point me to a single post that you have made that is 100% truthful and 100% complete and accurate?
Linux is so bad that Shuttleworth quit - FALSE
Linux leaves telnet open - FALSE
Linux sound is defective - FALSE
The one time I pressed you to cite a source for your crap - you flat refused.
Amazing.....
Linux is so bad that Shuttleworth quit - FALSE
Linux leaves telnet open - FALSE
Linux sound is defective - FALSE
The one time I pressed you to cite a source for your crap - you flat refused.
Amazing.....
thats like going to wiki to prove something, just because some idiot isnt smart enough to secure their own system isnt proof of anything. I have been using ubuntu for the last 4 years, and I havent had one release that left the telnet port open, and yes I check, because I use SSH for everything I do remotely. Besides, if you arent smart enough to close the port then you shouldnt run Ubuntu, much less any other flavor of linux. I mean good god, its not like they released a patch that didnt actually fix something
http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=537525720-ed8dfe43fbcce28f06ab8284dd6a0ba1-bf&brand=ZDNET&s=5
thats a link to a real story BTW, not some one elses talkback post.. I mean seriously, if I was actually going pay for the software I might be upset about this bug that they fixed before they actually released it, OHHHHH wait, thats right, I didnt spend anything on my OS...
ALSO the biggest problem with MS isnt the OS anyway, its all the other crappy software that you have to buy from vendors who dont properly patch or release THEIR stuff (adobe acrobat, McAfee hiccup a couples weeks ago) so dont get all high and mighty because you found some guys post, who obviously has no idea what he's doing, about linux leaving the telnet port open.
http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=537525720-ed8dfe43fbcce28f06ab8284dd6a0ba1-bf&brand=ZDNET&s=5
thats a link to a real story BTW, not some one elses talkback post.. I mean seriously, if I was actually going pay for the software I might be upset about this bug that they fixed before they actually released it, OHHHHH wait, thats right, I didnt spend anything on my OS...
ALSO the biggest problem with MS isnt the OS anyway, its all the other crappy software that you have to buy from vendors who dont properly patch or release THEIR stuff (adobe acrobat, McAfee hiccup a couples weeks ago) so dont get all high and mighty because you found some guys post, who obviously has no idea what he's doing, about linux leaving the telnet port open.
I'm an exclusive Linux user for over 10 years now. I also have never seen any telnet port open 'by default' on any distro, any version.
But I did offer far more proof than LD ever has... er.. well,
um
yeah
But I did offer far more proof than LD ever has... er.. well,
um
yeah
its a feature of that "many eyes" theory that allowed this in the first place. They were just checking to make sure other people were looking at the code as well.
how?
never has any flaws in it's code either
Loverock. Come on man, you really are pathetic.
I'm a plumber and I installed and run linux on
my pc's without ever needing to compile
anything, and to be totally honest I have NEVER
even seen Ubuntu (or any other flavour of linux)
crash. I have used windows from 3.11 and I
can't count how many crashes, flaws and errors
I've seen in windows. I've lost count of the
times I lost data due to windows falling over,
getting viruses and all manner of crap things
that go with windows. After the last one
(windows got SO slow I just gave up) I moved to
Ubuntu. Tell you what, have a holiday (get away
from the local microsoft rep and his tongue
slipping down the back of your trousers) come
over to the UK and show me just how bad linux is
and how wondrous windows is without antivirus,
firewalls and all the other stuff you have to
add on just to make windows safe to use.
Dare you to answer me directly.
Loverock. Come on man, you really are pathetic.
I'm a plumber and I installed and run linux on
my pc's without ever needing to compile
anything, and to be totally honest I have NEVER
even seen Ubuntu (or any other flavour of linux)
crash. I have used windows from 3.11 and I
can't count how many crashes, flaws and errors
I've seen in windows. I've lost count of the
times I lost data due to windows falling over,
getting viruses and all manner of crap things
that go with windows. After the last one
(windows got SO slow I just gave up) I moved to
Ubuntu. Tell you what, have a holiday (get away
from the local microsoft rep and his tongue
slipping down the back of your trousers) come
over to the UK and show me just how bad linux is
and how wondrous windows is without antivirus,
firewalls and all the other stuff you have to
add on just to make windows safe to use.
Dare you to answer me directly.
it is a featured that is being developed to create a safer computing environment by removing windoze out of the equation.
Frak that.
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When I install Windows, it removes my ability to boot to Linux, but they won't even entertain fixing their boot loader to make it work.
Seriously. What incentive does Microsoft have?
Spend development hours for what is literally a
handful of users? Users who are likely bashing
Windows on forums and blogs across the internet,
no less.
Less than 1%... I could have left it at that.
Spend development hours for what is literally a
handful of users? Users who are likely bashing
Windows on forums and blogs across the internet,
no less.
Less than 1%... I could have left it at that.
I say leave the bug. Linux users know how to
correct it in Grub. Leave the Windows users stuck
without their games.
correct it in Grub. Leave the Windows users stuck
without their games.
Alienate some more users already! Linux devs don't
actually need anyone else to use the OS. PSH!
actually need anyone else to use the OS. PSH!
Linux really doesn't need the people dumb enough
to keep rebooting and reinstalling their OS to
come over. They won't know how to handle something
thats stable and works. Its best they stay where
they are and finish their defrags.
to keep rebooting and reinstalling their OS to
come over. They won't know how to handle something
thats stable and works. Its best they stay where
they are and finish their defrags.
is not the common marker associated with Linux users.
With comments like yours, there's certain no reason to believe it.
With comments like yours, there's certain no reason to believe it.
...than the majority of the comments made by
Windows or Apple fans on this site. So you'd find
it hard to believe in any OS if you want to see it
like that.
Windows or Apple fans on this site. So you'd find
it hard to believe in any OS if you want to see it
like that.
it's the right thing to do. What a concept huh ?
Microsoft is seen, rightly or not, as being deliberately hostile toward any competition and using strong-arm tactics rather than better quality to crush competition.
detecting and adding other OS installation to their own boot loader would be extending an olive branch of sorts. a way of saying, "if you choose another OS, we won't make it hard for you. we're so confident in our own quality that we can make it easy for you boot our competition, knowing you'll return to us for our superior quality"
that approach has done wonders for Apple with people who had thought many times about switching to Macs and didn't because they couldn't fall back to what they were already comfortable with.
detecting and adding other OS installation to their own boot loader would be extending an olive branch of sorts. a way of saying, "if you choose another OS, we won't make it hard for you. we're so confident in our own quality that we can make it easy for you boot our competition, knowing you'll return to us for our superior quality"
that approach has done wonders for Apple with people who had thought many times about switching to Macs and didn't because they couldn't fall back to what they were already comfortable with.
One you install this theres no need to dual boot Windows.
If its a bug then Windows has had a long standing bug
thats never been fixed.
If its a bug then Windows has had a long standing bug
thats never been fixed.
The only reason to install Linux is if you enjoy
an endless game of "maybe if I fix one more issue
I'll have a functional OS!".
If somebody wants to install Windows after Linux
it means they're tired of playing and it's time to
get some work done.
an endless game of "maybe if I fix one more issue
I'll have a functional OS!".
If somebody wants to install Windows after Linux
it means they're tired of playing and it's time to
get some work done.
No, this problem is NOT fixed. Just downloaded and my dual boot no longer works. As simple look at the Ubuntu forums will show this. The GRUB2 installation messes with my Vista installation AND my recovery partition. Sadly, trying to find a solution is being drowned out by others with similar problems and also wing nuts who proposed dodgy solutions that do harm to your system. Canonical need to make a clear statement about this as the problem is NOT fixed. As a long time Linux user I am (how shall we say) a tad annoyed
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