Lets see, we explode a bomb and crash a satellite into
the moon to try and confirm whether or not water is on
it. And for what purpose? To make another return trip
to the moon? To build space colonies? We don't have
anything else to blow our money on?
Answer: because we're still trying to find something
tangible in the real world to prove Darwin right. Well, it
doesn't take a space monkey to know that Darwinism is
a losing proposition. But, hey, if it takes blowing up the
moon to finally figure that out, then what's the address
where I can donate the next load of C4? Maybe if we
blow up enough moons and planets in search of the
mythological missing links, someone will finally get a clue
and stop the insanity. Until then, let the senseless
demolition continue!
NASA spacecraft crashes into the moon
by Andy Smith | October 9, 2009 9:55am PDT | Image 1 of 8
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On Friday morning, NASA successfully rammed the LCROSS satellite and its booster rocket into a crater near the south pole of the moon in an attempt to search for hidden pockets of ice.
The Centaur booster rocket hit the Cabeus crater at 4:31 a.m. PT and the LCROSS satellite followed at 4:36 a.m. PT.
Although the flash from LCROSS didn't produce spectacular fireworks as many had hoped, it can be seen as a small pinpoint in the center in this image. A zoom is at bottom left and an even larger image of the flash is at bottom right. NASA's live coverage went blank just as the impacts occurred but the space agency says their instruments were working.
See gallery of LCROSS preparations.
Credit: NASA TV
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"Answer: because we're still trying to find something tangible in the
real world to prove Darwin right."
It is readily apparent that you have absolutely no concept of scientific
theory. No one is trying to prove Darwin is right about anything. What
we understand about the universe is based on relative probability, the
idea that the "right" answer is only as valid as the evidence that
supports it.
Only religion deals with absolutes.
"Well, it doesn't take a space monkey to know that Darwinism is a
losing proposition."
Nearly all evidence we've discovered points to evolution by natural
selection as the most likely answer. There is currently no viable
alternative theory. Not only is there fossil evidence, but evolution has
been directly observed, tested, and measured.
Last year, biologist Richard Lenski of Michigan State University
concluded a 20 year experiment. Using Escherichia coli, a major
change occurred around the 44,000th generation; the bacteria
developed the ability to metabolize citrate. That's the equivalent of
you being able to breath liquid chlorine (should the need of breathing
liquid chlorine be beneficial to a species.)
It's not just bacteria, but the tracking of the evolution of the CRC
Delta-32 gene mutation is equally fascinating. A mutation, by the
way, that makes people immune to HIV, bubonic plague, and host of
other related, but deadly diseases.
"Maybe if we blow up enough moons and planets in search of the
mythological missing links, someone will finally get a clue and stop
the insanity."
One has nothing to do with the other. In any event, several species of
primitive hominids have been identified as potential candidates as
common ancestors to both the human primate and other great apes.
Most recently (and potentially the most important) was the discovery
of "Ardi," a 4.4 million-year-old hominid found in Ethiopia. This
particular species displayed characteristics of both humans
and african apes.
"Until then, let the senseless demolition continue!"
Yes, let it. Maybe even you will learn something.
real world to prove Darwin right."
It is readily apparent that you have absolutely no concept of scientific
theory. No one is trying to prove Darwin is right about anything. What
we understand about the universe is based on relative probability, the
idea that the "right" answer is only as valid as the evidence that
supports it.
Only religion deals with absolutes.
"Well, it doesn't take a space monkey to know that Darwinism is a
losing proposition."
Nearly all evidence we've discovered points to evolution by natural
selection as the most likely answer. There is currently no viable
alternative theory. Not only is there fossil evidence, but evolution has
been directly observed, tested, and measured.
Last year, biologist Richard Lenski of Michigan State University
concluded a 20 year experiment. Using Escherichia coli, a major
change occurred around the 44,000th generation; the bacteria
developed the ability to metabolize citrate. That's the equivalent of
you being able to breath liquid chlorine (should the need of breathing
liquid chlorine be beneficial to a species.)
It's not just bacteria, but the tracking of the evolution of the CRC
Delta-32 gene mutation is equally fascinating. A mutation, by the
way, that makes people immune to HIV, bubonic plague, and host of
other related, but deadly diseases.
"Maybe if we blow up enough moons and planets in search of the
mythological missing links, someone will finally get a clue and stop
the insanity."
One has nothing to do with the other. In any event, several species of
primitive hominids have been identified as potential candidates as
common ancestors to both the human primate and other great apes.
Most recently (and potentially the most important) was the discovery
of "Ardi," a 4.4 million-year-old hominid found in Ethiopia. This
particular species displayed characteristics of both humans
and african apes.
"Until then, let the senseless demolition continue!"
Yes, let it. Maybe even you will learn something.
Do I detect another (Non) Zealot?
Sorry I just absolutely could not resist!
Sorry I just absolutely could not resist!
[nt]
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Thank you for the wonderfully intelligent and well written reply and rebuttal. As I was just about to reply to that absurdity you spoke my mind. Have a good day.
Yes Paul, you are. To help explain it to someone of your mental prowess, I quote Brian Regan... "The big yellow one is the Sun!"
No one suspects that there's life -- or anything like life -- on the Moon.
This is strictly about sending future manned missions to the Moon for long-term colonization and scientific research. And they launched a small satellite at the Moon, not a nuclear missile. This wasn't about destruction. It was about determining composition, similar to the way scientists slammed a projectile at a comet a few years back to determine its composition.
As to your Darwinism rant:
If you'd picked up a book on evolution written after, say 1960, you'd realize that the idea that there's a single "missing link" has been discredited. Evolution doesn't look like a chain of links. It's a tree, with some species branching off into dead ends, and others branching off into other species that eventually branch off into modern species.
I encourage you to do a little research on it. It's actually fascinating how many hominids have been found in human ancestry. In no particular order:
Homo habilis
Homo rudolfensis
Homo ergaster
Homo georgicus
Homo erectus
Homo cepranensis
Homo antecessor
Homo heidelbergensis
Homo rhodesiensis
Homo neanderthalensis
Homo sapiens (not to be confused with modern humans, Homo sapiens sapiens)
There are more than enough genetic and morphological studies on these remains to demonstrate ancestry.
This is strictly about sending future manned missions to the Moon for long-term colonization and scientific research. And they launched a small satellite at the Moon, not a nuclear missile. This wasn't about destruction. It was about determining composition, similar to the way scientists slammed a projectile at a comet a few years back to determine its composition.
As to your Darwinism rant:
If you'd picked up a book on evolution written after, say 1960, you'd realize that the idea that there's a single "missing link" has been discredited. Evolution doesn't look like a chain of links. It's a tree, with some species branching off into dead ends, and others branching off into other species that eventually branch off into modern species.
I encourage you to do a little research on it. It's actually fascinating how many hominids have been found in human ancestry. In no particular order:
Homo habilis
Homo rudolfensis
Homo ergaster
Homo georgicus
Homo erectus
Homo cepranensis
Homo antecessor
Homo heidelbergensis
Homo rhodesiensis
Homo neanderthalensis
Homo sapiens (not to be confused with modern humans, Homo sapiens sapiens)
There are more than enough genetic and morphological studies on these remains to demonstrate ancestry.
This has nothing to do about "missing links" and everything to do about looking for water on the moon, in the hopes of moving out beyond the stars one day.
What about this scares you? Darwinism a losing proposition? Are you afraid of what we may find?
Or maybe afraid of what we will not find?
What about this scares you? Darwinism a losing proposition? Are you afraid of what we may find?
Or maybe afraid of what we will not find?
well if what you are saying about evolution is correct then where did 0 rheses negative people come from, seeing that 0 rheses negative people dont have the rheses monkey gene, does science have a solid theory for that in the evolution theory.
American flat earthers, creationists, intelligent designers, Elvis sighters, UFO nuts, 2012ers and so on are starting to worry me. On the other hand, the rocket scientists (literally)who are willing to junk up the moon with a wide variety of debris seem cut from the same mold as the rainbow shot physicists, and they worry me also.
ripp-off of tax payers money you people should be ashamed when so many are out of work to waist our, not yours, money
i agree it is a serious waste of taxpayers money especially now. blowing up 79 million dollors on the moon just to see if water exists is a kick in the face to american taxpayers. we all love space exploration but this is not the time to use this kind of money on a dumb project like this. when the ******* governments of the world fix this planets problems first then use the money.
Maybe the two of you should actually read about the LCROSS mission before whining and complaining.
.52% is budgeted for NASA, that's 1/2 of 1 percent. If you ask me, that's not nearly enough.
Maybe you should be complaining about the wooden toy arrow manufacturers being budgeted more than NASA.
.52% is budgeted for NASA, that's 1/2 of 1 percent. If you ask me, that's not nearly enough.
Maybe you should be complaining about the wooden toy arrow manufacturers being budgeted more than NASA.
They're the type that are perfectly happy sitting around waiting for a single big rock to come along and kill us all.
And yet they are the same ones who will be screaming and blaming the government for not having enough foresight to have off-planet colonies to save us from extinction right up until when the rock kills everything on the planet, from humans down to the smallest microbes.
Predictable, and sad really.
And yet they are the same ones who will be screaming and blaming the government for not having enough foresight to have off-planet colonies to save us from extinction right up until when the rock kills everything on the planet, from humans down to the smallest microbes.
Predictable, and sad really.
Yes! Someone who gets that it's not just about blowing billions of dollars to send people on joy rides and satisfy passing curiosity -- not that the second item there is a bad thing, and we've certainly spent far more for even less noble pursuits -- but a matter of survival of the species.
But many people just seem so complacent to sit there and trust that they're completely safe, and anyone who says otherwise is just a bunch of paranoid alarmists, 2012 freaks, Heavens Gate nutballs, people just looking for excuses to waste THEIR money, what have you. They say the same thing when it comes to hurricanes, fires, floods, etc.: "The evil government wants to spend millions to protect us from a disaster that MIGHT save us from a disaster that MIGHT happen? What a waste when that can go toward (insert pet cause here)! Wait, now the disaster is happening, and I've lost everything? Where was the evil government when they could have prevented this horrible travesty that has fallen upon me?!" People won't get it until the disaster is upon us, and probability and history show that, when you sit in one place for too long, it's not a matter of if that will happen, but when. A disaster of a planetary scale, in our current state, could wipe out everyone, and, unlike in the movies, Bruce Willis nor the angel-like space aliens would be able to save us this time. Humanity would become an unnoticed footnote in the history of the universe, if that.
Of course, I guess that would serve as some modicum of vindication for anti-Darwinism folks, when one thinks about it: a whole species with the capability to survive by spreading out and adapting, possibly the most evolved species on the planet, wiped out because it evolved into something too weak and complacent to do so.
But many people just seem so complacent to sit there and trust that they're completely safe, and anyone who says otherwise is just a bunch of paranoid alarmists, 2012 freaks, Heavens Gate nutballs, people just looking for excuses to waste THEIR money, what have you. They say the same thing when it comes to hurricanes, fires, floods, etc.: "The evil government wants to spend millions to protect us from a disaster that MIGHT save us from a disaster that MIGHT happen? What a waste when that can go toward (insert pet cause here)! Wait, now the disaster is happening, and I've lost everything? Where was the evil government when they could have prevented this horrible travesty that has fallen upon me?!" People won't get it until the disaster is upon us, and probability and history show that, when you sit in one place for too long, it's not a matter of if that will happen, but when. A disaster of a planetary scale, in our current state, could wipe out everyone, and, unlike in the movies, Bruce Willis nor the angel-like space aliens would be able to save us this time. Humanity would become an unnoticed footnote in the history of the universe, if that.
Of course, I guess that would serve as some modicum of vindication for anti-Darwinism folks, when one thinks about it: a whole species with the capability to survive by spreading out and adapting, possibly the most evolved species on the planet, wiped out because it evolved into something too weak and complacent to do so.
Well, if you think about it, research being done now will create thousands of jobs in the future, perhaps even millions when you get right down to it. After we begin colonizing the moon, how many folks do you think would complain about the 79 million we are investing now?
"i agree it is a serious waste of taxpayers money especially now. blowing up 79 million dollors on the moon just to see if water exists is a kick in the face to american taxpayers. we all love space exploration but this is not the time to use this kind of money on a dumb project like this. when the ******* governments of the world fix this planets problems first then use the money."
hehehe...Then will be NEVER!!
hehehe...Then will be NEVER!!
derived from the sapce program, and how it is now helping the world realize our impact apon this planet, then maybe you might have a change of mind.
I do not think it a "kick in the face", I understand that things must move forward in parallel. We cannot stop everything just because we have a problem with one thing.
I do not think it a "kick in the face", I understand that things must move forward in parallel. We cannot stop everything just because we have a problem with one thing.
I can not believe these comments! This is from people in the same country that, while at war, in the grip of an oil crisis, and was defending itself against the real prospect of a nuclear armageddon; still managed to put men on the moon.
And from that one small step went on to become the world super power that -
Ensured the downfall of communism.
Defeated famine - Father of the ?green revolution,? Norman Borlaug won the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in combating world hunger, died in Texas at age 95.
Pioneered solar power - In the late 1950's and early 1960's satellites in the USA's space program were powered by solar cells and in the late 1960's solar power.
Modern IC -1961, Fairchild Micrologic devices were designed into the NASA's Apollo Guidance Computer (AGC) was the most significant early project.
Digital Communications ? From 1964 onwards the USA research digital communications for space. This has lead to the very medium you are using NOW to communicate!
No I'm not an American but I've worked for America, and given the mess that this planet is in MORE basic research is needed, and your country has the talent, wit and drive, and the money to do it!
And from that one small step went on to become the world super power that -
Ensured the downfall of communism.
Defeated famine - Father of the ?green revolution,? Norman Borlaug won the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in combating world hunger, died in Texas at age 95.
Pioneered solar power - In the late 1950's and early 1960's satellites in the USA's space program were powered by solar cells and in the late 1960's solar power.
Modern IC -1961, Fairchild Micrologic devices were designed into the NASA's Apollo Guidance Computer (AGC) was the most significant early project.
Digital Communications ? From 1964 onwards the USA research digital communications for space. This has lead to the very medium you are using NOW to communicate!
No I'm not an American but I've worked for America, and given the mess that this planet is in MORE basic research is needed, and your country has the talent, wit and drive, and the money to do it!
what has that got to do with nasa crashing 2 satillites on the moon. get your facts right.
Little boy or girl, once you get into primary school and start learning
about U.S. history, science, and mathematics, this will all make a little
more sense to you.
Basically, the drive for exploration is powered by innovation. Innovation
that leads to new technologies.
You are using a computer and arguing on the internet, developed by the
exact same scientific principles derived by crashing objects into one
another.
about U.S. history, science, and mathematics, this will all make a little
more sense to you.
Basically, the drive for exploration is powered by innovation. Innovation
that leads to new technologies.
You are using a computer and arguing on the internet, developed by the
exact same scientific principles derived by crashing objects into one
another.
that is a childish thing to say. I am a computer technician and i am certanly not a little boy or girl thats for sure. I have simply made a comment on this issue. and i would recommend you go back for further education son.
Perhaps you should learn how to spell, punctuate and the proper use of the English language. ( son?)
that is how you spell it in my country ireland. so go on, keep on crying like a spoilt little brat that you are.
as for your comment quote: Maybe the two of you should actually read about the LCROSS mission) well i have and what i said stands. nasa's budget especially on things like wasting 79 million on this particualar endevour should be halted period.
For a window on what waste of money has done...
http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/
http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/
How convenient. Keep drinking the Kool-aid people.
There's a really simple explanation for the coverage going blank just as the impacts occurred:
The freakin' satellite impacted the Moon! Don't you get that?! Did you really expect the very object broadcasting the images to broadcast something as it was being destroyed?!
What passes for critical thinking skills in schools these days?!
The freakin' satellite impacted the Moon! Don't you get that?! Did you really expect the very object broadcasting the images to broadcast something as it was being destroyed?!
What passes for critical thinking skills in schools these days?!
I thought they were looking for water?
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/29895/nasa-fails-spot-plume-moon.html
NASA fails to spot plume after moon bombing
Ian Sample, Oct 10, The Guardian:
NASA?s hopes of filming a spectacular crash on the moon were dashed on Friday when satellite and telescope imagery failed to record the enormous plume of rock and dust that scientists had predicted.
The US space agency steered two parts of a spacecraft, called LCROSS, into the moon at more than 9,000 kilometres per hour, in the final act of a mission designed to look for signs of water. NASA scientists anticipated the impact would knock enough dust and rock out of the lunar surface to form a 10 km-high cloud of debris that could be scanned for evidence of frozen water.
But when the collision occurred, no signs of the plume were spotted, even from the nearby second stage, which crashed into the moon four minutes later.
The disappointment came a day after staff at NASA?s headquarters in Washington DC faced a flood of calls from people who objected to the agency ?bombing? the moon, some of whom feared the damage would disrupt tides on Earth and even their menstrual cycles.
At a NASA press conference, Anthony Colaprete, principal investigator on the LCROSS mission, said of the missing plume: ?We have not been able to see it clearly in our data yet.? He added that the scientists were working ?feverishly? on information sent back from LCROSS.
http://www.daylife.com/article/0fghgRw2rsbHe?q=NASA
http://www.detnews.com/article/20091010/NATION/910100354/1020/rss09
etc etc
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/29895/nasa-fails-spot-plume-moon.html
NASA fails to spot plume after moon bombing
Ian Sample, Oct 10, The Guardian:
NASA?s hopes of filming a spectacular crash on the moon were dashed on Friday when satellite and telescope imagery failed to record the enormous plume of rock and dust that scientists had predicted.
The US space agency steered two parts of a spacecraft, called LCROSS, into the moon at more than 9,000 kilometres per hour, in the final act of a mission designed to look for signs of water. NASA scientists anticipated the impact would knock enough dust and rock out of the lunar surface to form a 10 km-high cloud of debris that could be scanned for evidence of frozen water.
But when the collision occurred, no signs of the plume were spotted, even from the nearby second stage, which crashed into the moon four minutes later.
The disappointment came a day after staff at NASA?s headquarters in Washington DC faced a flood of calls from people who objected to the agency ?bombing? the moon, some of whom feared the damage would disrupt tides on Earth and even their menstrual cycles.
At a NASA press conference, Anthony Colaprete, principal investigator on the LCROSS mission, said of the missing plume: ?We have not been able to see it clearly in our data yet.? He added that the scientists were working ?feverishly? on information sent back from LCROSS.
http://www.daylife.com/article/0fghgRw2rsbHe?q=NASA
http://www.detnews.com/article/20091010/NATION/910100354/1020/rss09
etc etc
Think about what, the money that could have fed the hungry here in America?
To put it really simply, the kinds of technologies developed in the space program enabled whole new modes and means of working (telecommuting, smartphones, etc.). Most of these things have military applications that are exploited well before they get into the private sector. (After all, the space program is, at heart, a military program.) Almost all of the technology you're using to read this and respond on this forum was used first by the military.
You might be asking, "What's that got to do with feeding people?". Well, here's the thing: Many more people have the ability and education to work because of the technology that's available now. Think about the impact of telecommuting and distance learning. I can tell you from personal experience that I would've had a much harder time working over the past 10 years without the ability to work from home at least some of the time. And of course, the Internet itself not only enabled this, but also enabled a lot of people to find work in the IT field, be it in networking, Web development, or several other fields.
Yes, it's more long-term than what you were talking about, but my point is, feeding people can entail more than just handing them food or the money to buy it.
You might be asking, "What's that got to do with feeding people?". Well, here's the thing: Many more people have the ability and education to work because of the technology that's available now. Think about the impact of telecommuting and distance learning. I can tell you from personal experience that I would've had a much harder time working over the past 10 years without the ability to work from home at least some of the time. And of course, the Internet itself not only enabled this, but also enabled a lot of people to find work in the IT field, be it in networking, Web development, or several other fields.
Yes, it's more long-term than what you were talking about, but my point is, feeding people can entail more than just handing them food or the money to buy it.
Give a hungry man a fish and he has a meal for that day.
Throw him on the fire and he's warm forever ... errr something like that???
Throw him on the fire and he's warm forever ... errr something like that???
You're not really "teaching him to fish", in this instance. Rather, you're giving him the means to fish. The technology explosion has enabled a lot of people to get jobs, much more efficiently than if we'd spent the money directly on welfare programs.
You are truly the National Enquirer of IT. Totally misleading title that serves as nothing but troll bait.
Do you know what a WH0RE is?
A person, editor and company that publishes sh!te like this.
Do you know what a WH0RE is?
A person, editor and company that publishes sh!te like this.
From Meridian-Websters Online Dictionary.
Main Entry: space?craft
Pronunciation: \?sp?s-?kraft\
Function: noun
Date: 1930
: a vehicle or device designed for travel or
operation outside the earth's atmosphere
Main Entry: space?craft
Pronunciation: \?sp?s-?kraft\
Function: noun
Date: 1930
: a vehicle or device designed for travel or
operation outside the earth's atmosphere
It may be more about what they are trying to hide, a little while later didn't china photograph the moon with HD cameras. I have not seen any of those posted for all to see. And now NASA has banned fly overs in particular areas of the moon. Why, not just so we can't see dicarded poop or food.
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