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Oracle reveals Java copyright case against Google (gallery)

Summary: In court, Oracle outlined its Java copyright and patent infringement case against Google with a series of 91 convincing slides

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  • Google was never "Do No Evil" company

    They directly stole context advertisement code from another company. They had to settle the lawsuit for $2.5 billion back in 2004 with Yahoo, who bought original code developer/patent holder by that time.

    So if anyone thinks that Google "got worse" only recently, it is wrong. They were thieves from very beginning.
    DDERSSS
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    • Agreed ... however Oracle is no better

      Oracle is really no better. I would rather be programming in a language that Google owns the "IP" than Oracle. Many predict (and folks like me hope) that JAVA will run into a wall at warp speed, so we can be computer scientists again and write good and efficient code. By the way I figured I would start the JAVA versus C and the emacs versus vim wars.

      Come on, it is a Tuesday, let's have a laugh folks. :)
      sys_engineer
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      • and while you are at it

        case sensitivity is the spoor of the devil rampant upon the earth... it has caused evil and mayhem and must be cast into the pitt... NO MORE case sensitive languages! Out out damned evil spot!!!! :0

        So google goes out and buys ucsd p-code patents...

        I can hear the feet stampeding.... NOW
        walkerjian@...
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      • This may come as a surprise, walkerjian ...

        ... but English is a case-sensitive language.
        Tony R.
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  • What java?

    What runs on Android is not java. No java bytecode either. No JVM.

    What runs is Dalvik, A register based VM.

    Before anything can run, it must first be converted to the Dalvik VM code... Then installed.

    No java.

    Second, the code from Harmony is not Java. Java code must be certified by the TCK. Oracle has denied the Apache foundation the use of the TCK to provide certification.

    Therefore, it cannot be called Java.
    jessepollard
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    • troll...

      troll some where else.
      owllnet
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      • No, he's correct.

        In fact, I strongly suspect that jessepollard has just summarized Google's defence. How you can call that "trolling" is frankly baffling...
        Zogg
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    • It is not matter how Google called what they stole from Sun

      They point is that all of Google's bosses knew they had to license the IP (as court records show).
      DDERSSS
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      • No, Google would have had to license Java, had they used Java.

        But Google chose to create Dalvik from Apache's Harmony project instead.
        Zogg
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      • no that is not the point

        That was the easy cheap way out. Instead Google is in the right and jessepollard shows how it is not java. What else is there to know.
        droidfromsd
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      • And Sun has nothing...

        to do with this. Oracle bought Sun - that is the extent of their involvement. Now Oracle, not Sun, are now trying to claim RETROSPECTIVE infringement years after the fact because google are using a Java-like VM (this despite the fact the Java VM itself is free on all platforms). Google in fact stole nothing since they based their code on open source anyway. It is complete highway robbery and Oracle is a worm of a company. Why do you find that difficult to grasp?
        12312332123
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    • In addition.....

      Sun GPLed Java long before Oracle bought out Sun.

      Will be an interesting drama to watch.
      linux for me
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      • so?

        that is not even close to the point.
        droidfromsd
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      • In Addition

        so your saying licenses cant be changed?LOL Oracle bought the whole package they are free to change licenses, it belongs to them. If thats what they actually did.
        Stan57
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      • What has been released under GPL stays under the GPL.

        Oracle could only release new code under a different license.

        And Sun did indeed GPL Java. Look:
        h-t-t-p: // web.archive.org/web/20081205154625/http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/index.jsp
        Zogg
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  • It's not the first or only time

    Google has followed the philosophy of "It's easier (and more convenient) to ask forgiveness after the fact than permission before it". (book scanning/copying, wireless scanning, music distribution, etc)

    They certainly Do Know Evil...
    MacCanuck
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    • Should the Co$t of forgiveness > that the cost of PermiSSion

      If we wish to deter IP theft the cost of asking for forgiveness should greatly exceed the cost of getting permission.
      TNLYNN
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      • Wouldn't it be ironic if they refused to liscense...

        And then that festering cesspool of malware known as Roid would be gone and dead forever... Oracle should strike a deal with Apple to see how much Apple would be willing to pay to see that happen... LOL
        i8thecat4
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    • What does that have to do

      with this case, in which Google didn't steal anything? Yeah... didn't think so.
      12312332123
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  • This is why we can't have nice things

    Just another reason for me to hate Java and the entire enterprise built around it. Allowing a single company to develop and license all the tools around a language is a dangerous precedent, and the development community should never have allowed it to happen.

    While I think C# is a better language than Java, it has this same problem of being far too connected to a single company. We didn't learn the first time around, did we?
    Rinzai
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