Tired Apple meme: Engineers working on fake products

Summary: Reports resurfaced last week — crazy reports — that Apple makes new engineers work on fake projects until managers "trust them." Who can believe this crazy Apple meme?

Yes, Apple is sitting on a $137.1 billion cash kitty, a very, very large sum. Perhaps this is why there are some in the world who believe that Cupertino would waste valuable brain power and talent by having new hires work on fake projects. This exercise is supposedly being done as a loyalty test.

According to an Ars Technica post, the origins of this meme came from a talk that author Adam Lashinsky made about Apple's extreme secrecy even with new hires and foggy posted job descriptions.

After his talk, an unnamed audience member said that a friend had worked on "fake products" at Apple for nine months before being put on something real. The point was related to Lashinsky's reporting on Apple's notorious secrecy and was meant to highlight the extremes to which Apple goes to protect its trade secrets. The moment was captured on video, and the idea that Apple puts employees on fake projects took off within the Apple blogosphere and became widely accepted as fact.

What silliness.

Of course, Apple, like every other technology company, works on many products at once, many of which will never see the light of day. And I'm not talking about a solo programmer here and there, working on a so-called "napkin product," an idea scrawled on the back of NAPKIN during a late-night meeting at a Silicon Valley coffee shop or sushi bar. No, entire teams can work for years on stuff that never become products.

Some of these projects are variations on a theme to find the best expression of a design, while others are explorations into a workflow or implementation. I have written about such projects over the years. In the late 1980s, I recall speaking to programmers and hardware types working on an early Mac tablet computer that Apple had cooking on the back workbench. It was very well along with hardware designs and a list of interesting applications. The plug on the project, tablet version of the Mac OS and apps were pulled following a reorganization. Same difference with variant Newtons in the 1990s that came with built-in cameras and strange add-ons described by product engineers.

Cult of Mac a few years ago offered a look at several Newton prototypes. One looks like a current POS credit card scanner device often seen in grocery stores. Different colors and shapes.

Apple in the 1990s had an entire division working on "Advanced Technology" projects. This division was where QuickTime came from. AppleScript too. OpenDoc. And many artificial intelligence and data detection APIs used in various Apple products over the years. Yet another reorganization killed the group

In fact, so many of these nonexistent products go unproduced that they can lead to depression in hardware and software engineers. There are people who have never had a project ship. Nowadays, thanks to KickStarter, anyone can have a chance to get something designed and produced.


This is the first of a series on lame, tired and crazy Apple memes. Any suggestions to the list? Let me know!

Topics: Apple, Hardware, Operating Systems, Tablets

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  • another tired meme

    NONZEALOTS 20 alters flagging people so their posts are removed and ZDCrap doing nothing to stop it.
    toddbottom7
    • And yet ....

      ... they do nothing to remove the constant daily spam from the guy who's sister makes tons of money or the guy who gets laid ... both after visiting some scam website.
      wackoae
      • Nor the people with multiple alter egos

        that costently use profanity directed at anyone who attempts to hold a discussion on an MS related article, who believes that only 1 single person would ever flag him for that, at the same time believing that everyone else supports the use of profanity directed at someone he percieves as an MS "supporter".

        Go figure.

        How long before I'm flagged by "them", do you think?
        William Farrel
      • We're trying to get rid of those as well...

        I send reports multiple times daily when I run across them.
        If you visited those websites, then hopefully you learned
        an invaluable lesson...don't click on unknown links.

        Something for everyone to keep in mind...as I've posted
        it doesn't do much to flag someone's comment as spam
        if it's just someone's opinion you disagree with. If each
        of us reserved the flag for those spam messages, then
        it would probably help to get rid of them quicker, less
        stuff to have to filter through. Last time I checked there
        were over 35,000 flagged messages...it takes a bit to go
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        on a volunteer basis.
        Wizard57M
        ZDNet Moderator
        wizard57m-cnet
        • Perhaps

          Someone needs to bring back the thumbs up/down ratings and save the flags for spam.
          athynz
        • Re: if it's just someone's opinion you disagree with

          First of all, there is nothing in your comment system that says "flag as spam", there is only a link labelled "flag". Flag as what? In lieu of anything saying otherwise, people are interpreting that as meaning everything from "flag as something I don't agree with" to "flag as unconstructive/abusive" to "flag as spam".

          A long time ago, I remember the ZDNet comment system would pop up a box asking for a reason when you tried to flag something: you could then put a note saying it was spam or some other reason. We could do with that option, as well as a separate one for downvotes. Otherwise you're going to have to continue dealing with the current mess.
          ldo17
      • So where is all this scam?

        I don't receive it.
        Laraine Anne Barker
        • Posted all over the talkbacks

          ... on a daily basis.
          wackoae
  • hate to break your bubble

    But this is standard practice at any place where innovation happens.

    Untrusted staff is given work that can be abandoned if need be.
    danbi
    • haha no

      Sorry but no. Untrusted staff are fired.
      larissaj
      • Exactly.

        If you are not trusted you are not hired or your position is simply eliminated.
        Bruizer
        • not always possible

          You can't know if you can trust a person, or even if you imagined you could, people change their desires.

          In a large company like Apple, there is enough work for even the most I trusted people, as long as they don't do stupid things.

          As they say, "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer"

          There is much to be learnt from spies in your business. :)
          danbi
          • Unnecessary capitalisation

            I think it should be itrusted not I trusted :)
            Little Old Man
        • Fungible "Human Resources"

          But there are different degrees of "trusted". If they didn't trust you somewhat, they wouldn't hire you in the first place. But that doesn't mean they're going to hand you any more information than you need to do your job right away, or the details of the guru's grand strategic vision for the next decade any time soon. (That latter, they're not likely to ever give you, unless you got hired straight into upper management, in which case it's likely to be what you need to know to do your job, and they're paying you enough to buy your loyalty, anyway.) But since we're talking about fungible, entry/utility grade engineers and programmers, here, high levels of trust will come slowly, if at all.
          rocket ride
  • 95% of products fail

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/jun/15/happiness-is-being-a-loser-burkeman

    So you have a 19 out of 20 chance of working on one, whichever company you work for.
    jorwell
    • Not necessarily the same thing

      There's a difference between "failed in the marketplace" and "never brought to market". Sort of like the difference between a dead loved-one and a missing one.
      rocket ride
  • "Who can believe this crazy Apple meme?"

    A better question: who cares?

    Seriously - you have to be kind of obsessed about a company to care about this level of detail.
    TheWerewolf
  • Does say loyalty test to me

    "This exercise is supposedly being done as a loyalty test."

    Because nothing makes an engineer or developer loyal like having them waste their time on a product a company not only had never had any intention of bringing to market BUT a product that never actually existed.

    This doesn't say we're making a laughing stock of you at all. Even though I'm not very big on Apple, I just don't see them doing this.
    larissaj
  • Ever heard of R & D?

    Company's, I'd guess nearly all company's have an research and development section where they often work on prototype's which some times don't go anywhere, so perhaps that's what they think are fake projects.
    I used to work at Ford Motor Co. Australia and they built early prototypes and then junked them, if they can do it with cars they can certainly do it with iJunk. ;-)
    martin_js
    • Re: Ever heard of R & D?

      Interestingly, Apple's spending on R&D is below average.
      ldo17