Who is Julie Larson-Green? Meet the new head of Windows

Who is Julie Larson-Green? Meet the new head of Windows

Summary: Microsoft announced on November 12 that Windows President Steven Sinofsky is leaving, effective immediately. Meet the new head of Windows engineering, Julie Larson-Green.

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I don't know the back story here, but here's what I do know: Microsoft President Steven Sinofsky is leaving Microsoft, effective immediately -- just days after launching his babies, Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface. And the new head of Windows is Julie Larson-Green.

As my CNET colleague Jay Greene reported, Microsoft is saying Sinofsky's departure was mutually agreed upon. Sinofsky is leaving to pursue other unspecified interests.

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In the shake-up, announced on November 12, Microsoft said that Larson-Green will be promoted to lead all Windows software and hardware engineering. Tami Reller will continue on as chief financial officer and chief marketing officer and will assume responsibility for the business of Windows. Both executives will report directly to Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, according to Microsoft's press release.

Julie Larson-Green has been Corporate Vice President, Program Management, Windows Client. Larson-Green is no stranger to Windows: She has had between 1,200 and 1,400 program managers, researchers, content managers and other members of the Windows team reporting to her.

Last time I got to interview her (March 2010), Larson-Green was in charge of Windows planning. Her colleagues Jon DeVaan and Grant George led Windows development and test, respectively. This core team of three reported directly to Sinofsky. This was a new structure for the Windows team since Windows 7 shipped. Rather than organizing Windows Client around smaller product units, the team operates more like the Microsoft Office team does -- not too surprising, given the leaders of the Windows team all came from Office.

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How Steven Sinofsky changed Microsoft, for better and for worse

When Steven Sinofsky moved to the Windows division in 2006, it was fundamentally broken. He leaves behind an engineering process that runs smoothly. But he also leaves a legacy of cutthroat politics and feuding between divisions.

Larson-Green applied to Microsoft right after she got her business management degree from Western Washington University, only to be told no. But she did land a job at desktop-publishing-software maker Aldus working on the product support call lines.

Microsoft "discovered" Larson-Green after a few Softies attended a talk she gave comparing Microsoft compilers to Borland compilers and asked her to run a Visual C++ focus group for the company. In 1993, she ended up landing a job on the Visual C++ team, where focused on the integrated development environment. She moved to the Internet Explorer team (where she worked on the user experience for IE 3.0 and 4.0) and then, in 1997, to the Office team to work on FrontPage, where she got her first group program manager job. She also did a stint on the SharePoint Team Services team, back when SharePoint was known as "Office.Net."

Larson-Green subsequently led user interface design for Office XP, Office 2003 and Office 2007.

I cannot pretend I am sad about the passing of the torch. I have been persona non grata with the Windows division for the entire time that Sinofsky ran it. Many long-time Microsoft employees, managers and testers have expressed similar sentiments, mostly in private. Here's hoping to better days, in terms of how the Windows client team interacts with all of its constituents: Its customers, partners and us Microsoft watchers.

Topics: Microsoft, Windows

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  • Has my investment been orphaned?

    As a non-resident of the Redmond circle, what does this mean for me and the $700 I just laid-out for my new Surface RT? Was he sacked because of the 'modest' sales?

    Has my new toy (which I love) just been orphaned like its cousin the Kin?
    sd73
    • No, Microsoft is all-in with Windows 8/RT

      There's no turning back now, you're good.
      JohnMorgan3
    • Thats what I'd like to know.

      I just hope Gazelle starts accepting these things so we can at least have that assurance should things go south.
      d_williams15@...
    • I think the surface RT

      will fail on its own. Windows on ARM with no apps is confusing to Joe Consumer and that confusion alone will limit the RT to unknowing consumers and Microsoft Fanboys. The consumers will wise up really fast.

      I am hoping she allows there to be a GPO that will shut off the Metro start screen and give us a Windows 7 like start button. If that were the case my company would seriously think about Windows 8. There are some good features under the hood, but not good enough to live with Metro.
      JeveSobs
      • Windows RT vs. Windows 8

        Developers can allow their apps to target x64, x86, or ARM...or even all 3. All with the same codebase. And if consumers are wising up fast, why is it rated so hard by CONSUMERS on gdgt.com?
        StephenPAdams
        • Windows RT doesn't have the same code base

          Otherwise it would be trivial to just recompile desktop applications for RT and have them "just work".

          They don't.
          jessepollard
          • Talking about Metro apps, not desktop

            Making a Metro app is one code base compiled for ARM, x86 and/or x64. Or for more powerful apps that use Win32 calls (not just WinRT) it can only compile to x86 and/or x64 and not ARM.

            When making a Metro app, you don't send the compiled executable to the Windows Store but the source code which the store compiles for your targeted platforms as it needs to be optimized for the targeted processor.
            lepoete73
          • compiled

            It does have the same code base with changes where needed. In fact, in the desktop mode there are tons of "pro" features like domain join that are greyed out. Traditoinal Win7 programs will not run because they were compiled specifically for Intel architecture. That's why WinRT was invented. It allows developers to crate apps for both architectures at the same time.
            frankwick
      • Cross Platform Programs

        C is a standalone language that can be compiled on ARM. So Windows programs can work on all three architectures.
        COGlory
        • Only if the required code base libraries are there.

          Otherwise you get a big fail.

          RT doesn't have the libraries required.
          jessepollard
          • Hmmm..

            I would venture to guess that if Office can be ported to RT pretty much any Windows app can.
            CriticalSection
      • Download Classic Start Menu

        hello! all you need is the Classic Start Menu program downloadable for FREE @ http://classicshell.sourceforge.net. Had installed it in 5 computers running Win8 and works much better than original Windows 7 Start Menu. Totally customizable and user-friendly.
        LinQuito
      • Better yet; run RT apps in windows

        Better than just a straight UI route from start to desktop; why not run Metro-style apps within their own Windows, possibly in VMs?

        Not only does that make better use of screen real estate, it also improves the ability to run multiple Metro apps at the same time, and see what's going on. The mouse could dip into stubby-finger mode as it passes over those windows, which will reduce mouse travel if they are rendered smaller (i.e. similar visual size as hand-held devices - especially suitable for apps designed for smartphone sizes).

        The VM approach could be a useful way to sandbox these apps, as well as multitasking them properly. Security/safety would be better; a good hedge if these sub-PC apps attract malware attack.

        This approach also leverages the exta processing power of a "real" computer. The ARM chipset could be emulated, the extra VM overhead swallowed, and PC-strength firewall and resident av protection bestowed on what may otherwise be lacking, due to lower ARM platform perfomance and resources.

        A hand-held app would need a window roughly the size of Calc.exe - imagine Calc.exe running full screen on a 23" monitor, and having to mouse that far between calculator buttons? That's how the current "pretend the PC is a tablet" logic plays out.

        It wouldn't surprise me if tablets morphed towards smart phones rather than laptops, i.e. the even smaller screen size. The above approach would be spot-on for that.
        cquirke
    • Surface RT sales not modest

      Surface RT sales were never announced to be "modest", the original translation/reporting was incorrect. Ballmer's quote was that their original availability of the device (US/Canada, some European countries, China late) was modest.
      StephenPAdams
    • If you read the whole statement online , it was

      "modest sales due to limited availability." As more RT tablets become available sales will continue
      William Farrel
    • better story

      if anything, I think future updates will come quicker and hopefully us Win8 Pro users will get a start button on the desktop.
      frankwick
  • Wow! Double-Wow!

    Please write more articles on this once you dig up the details! (Probably the decision to hide the Start button did it... ;-) Did he just get exhausted? Did Ballmer view him as a threat? Does he not want to be around if Windows 8/RT is a flop?
    JohnMorgan3
    • What really holds back Windows and Linux

      Just as the rabid in-fighting within the FOSS ranks and the explosion of Linux distros holds back Linux as a whole, so Microsoft's eat-your-own-children internal politics holds back Windows and Microsoft as a whole.

      If things are so bad within Microsoft that Sinofsky leaves just days after the Windows 8/RT launch (when you'd expect him to enjoy the fruits of years of hard work for at least a month or two), how did this toxic environment influence the development of Windows 8/RT? How did it hold back Windows Phone and Xbox integration? And since political transitions bring on new stressors of their own, what's going on inside Microsoft right now?

      Windows 8/RT is such a huge gamble for Microsoft, and now *this* shake-up... Wow. So many top brass have left Microsoft in the last few years in similarly unsettling ways...
      JohnMorgan3
    • imo

      By: dabbler3248
      15 Nov 2012, 02:57 AM CST
      Msg. 160558 of 160559


      there's not much of a reason for Sinofsky leaving immediately noted except, "Sources have said the move came amid growing tension between Sinofsky and other top executives"

      I believe that Sinofsky doesn't like that Ballmer is looking to stall and sandbag the new line of Microsoft Window products by holding back key advancemrnts with XML until Microsoft's 2014 fiscal year that starts July 1st(7 1/2 months from now). It looks like Ballmer is not wanting to show his hand until the last minute of a 5-year NDA with VCSY and Sinofsky doesn't agree and believes that it is borderline criminal to manipulate the technology industry. I'd be pissed too if I was Sinofsky because he knows that Microsoft has the goods in XML from VCSY avilable to be succesful NOW with their new Windows products, but instead Ballmer is throwing Sinofsky under the bus so that Microsoft can continue to stall advancement, deceive the market while buying back their own stock at a lower price while letting letting Ballmer's "butties" continuing to try their best to weaken VCSY shareholder confidence.

      I know that to some it might sound absurd, but I expect that Microsoft has nothing to lose by stalling until the 5-year NDA ends because Microsoft has the only VCSY licensing agreement and knows that nobody else will be getting one. imo

      Obviously Sinofsky has some morals because he will be the fall-guy either way and could have just stuck it out and continued to collect a nice check, but he might have more of a spine and a few tricks up his sleeve than Ballmer expects.

      I'm very interested to hear any future Sinofsky interviews.

      The bashers want us to focus on the filing due this week as if we anticipate something and then they want to try and use another stale filing as a way of frustrating shareholders into losing confidence in their VCSY investment.


      I expect nothing but deceit and deception until after July.


      Maybe while we wait, Al can do the monkeydance for us like he did leading up to the Vista failure. If you haven't seen it you're in for a treat. LOL!~
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

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      By: dabbler3248
      12 Nov 2012, 07:53 PM CST
      Rating:

      Msg. 340365 of 340403
      (Reply to 340359 by tepe)

      Jump to msg. #




      poor tepe never expected that anyone would figure out what was happenning within the Confidential Settlement Agreement between VCSY and Microsoft, especially a lowly uneducated nobody like me. LOL!~

      tepe's criminal effort against VCSY shareholders has always been obvious, especially with him having inside information on the details of the Confidential Settlement Agreement between VCSY and Microsoft. tepe has always bashed the company and us Longs when the price has been just a few pennies a share, but when the price was bouncing between .08 and .12 cents tepe was working hard to CON'vince everyone to hold tight but only because he knew that the price would drop like a rock after the November 14, 2008 filing. Harming VCSY shareholders is why tepe is here. CRIMINAL! IMO!


      By: tepe
      24 Oct 2008, 12:08 PM EDT
      Rating: Rate this post:
      Msg. 230279 of 249589

      IMO, anyone who bails out now, unless trying to time a trade out and back in, is a fool. We KNOW there was a settlement with MSFT, we just don't know how much they paid. If nothing else, I would hold on until the day before the 10Q is issued, because there will probably be a pps increase on anticipation of the settlement possibly being large. Whether to sell before we know the amount or hold on is a gamble.

      --------------------------------

      Let me repost this since all of these FACTS throughout this post get tepe's blood boiling. LOL!~



      By: dabbler3248
      11 Nov 2012, 06:50 AM CST
      Msg. 340190 of 340255
      (Reply to 340189 by hionvcsy)


      VCSY is only in a lawsuit with three "infringers" so small settlement payouts with no licensing agreements and royalties will be harmful to us VCSY shareholders as the shareprice will make small bounces as the bashing crew continues their assault on us as they have for years. imo


      Niro was hired in connection with licensing(PR link below) and my theory shows that since VCSY has received the continuation patent, Microsoft has entered into more than 500 new licensing agreements. The only agreements that make the headlines have been the few dozen android licensing agreements, which are just enough to stroke Ballmer's ego. All of the other licensing agreements that Microsoft is signing is with existing partners who Microsoft induced infringement upon by giving them the VCSY patent claims without a license. That's wht Barnes and Noble walked away with $300 Million, even though they were the defendant in that lawsuit. imo


      JUNE 6, 2006
      Vertical Computer Systems, Inc. Retains Law Firm in connection with Licensing of United States Patent No. 6,826,744
      http://www.vcsy.com/press/releases.php?year=2006&month=06&day=06&num=00




      By: dabbler3248
      11 Nov 2012, 06:25 AM CST
      Msg. 340188 of 340189
      (Reply to 340144 by tepe)



      Samsung and LG have signed an Android licensing Agreement with Microsoft, so VCSY's lawsuit accusing Samsung and LG of infringing the 744 and 629 patents in their andriod devices have already met the desired results. Anything further could be viewed as a crime against shareholders. imo

      Interwoven's purpose in the same lawsuit was to exhaust all arguements against the patents and force them through a reexamination, which the patents were successful of and even came through stronger. So a small settlement with Interwoven might also be viewed as a crime against shareholders. imo

      So when trying to understand Interwoven's stance, I believe that Niro said it best(below) during his interview with IP WatchDog on March 18, 2012 the same interview when Niro stated that he has "a case still in existance with 500 to 1,000 infringers." imo

      Niro said;
      "And you're always going to find somebody that's gonna say, I'm not gonna pay anything, period, I don't care. And you're going to test that patent in some way on the merits to see whether or not it meets the criteria for a litigated patent. Can it withstand a claim construction, and can it withstand the validity attacks and so forth."
      http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/03/18/an-exclusive-interview-with-ray-niro-mr-patent-litigation/id=22872/




      By: tepe
      10 Nov 2012, 10:21 PM CST
      Rating: You rated it:
      Msg. 340144 of 340187

      What we DON'T want is a settlement like we got with MSFT. We need THREE settlements that include licenses AND royalties. The royalties will be what spikes this stock, imo. Three "confidential agreements" with no revenue for years will trash it. imo

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      By: dabbler3248
      11 Nov 2012, 12:19 AM CST
      Msg. 340170 of 340187
      (Reply to 340127 by tepe)


      You are WRONG AGAIN TEPE! Wade did mention Microsoft in the 2009 10-K that was filed on April 14, 2010 and Microsoft was mentioned in the same breath that Wade said that "WE"(VCSY and Microsoft-imo) were waiting on the continuation patent before engaging in new licenses because it better protects this intellectual property. Just a few weeks later Microsoft signed HTC to the first of many android licensing agreements, but not Samsung and LG. Samsung and LG were pursued by VCSY for infringing the 744 and 629 patents with their android devices. VCSY did not pursue HTC because HTC already signed a licensing agreement with Microsoft. Samsung and LG only signed an android licensing agreement well after the VCSY lawsuit.

      Sorry tepe, it all fits without a flaw!



      "In July 2008, we settled an infringement claim we had initiated in federal court against Microsoft. We are waiting for the issuance of the Continuation Patent for U.S. Patent No. 6,826,744 (which SiteFlash is based upon) before we engage with new licensees because we believe the Continuation Patent provides better protection for this intellectual property asset."




      By: dabbler3248
      10 Nov 2012, 07:57 AM CST
      Msg. 340032 of 340167


      For years I've been telling family and friends to buy stock in VCSY. Although VCSY's shareprice is still in the very low penny range, I am more confident today than ever about the future value of VCSY stock bringing great wealth to those who hold VCSY stock.

      Of course we will have to continue to read the negative rants of tepe, al, mirror, johnnnyri and other bashers as they continue to dedicate their lives in trying to weaken VCSY shareholder confidence as well as scaring off potential new investors.

      I will continue to try and structure the VCSY timeline into an easy to read post that flows better, starting with the big question of "WHY" did VCSY and Microsoft need to be so secretive for so long. That will be followed by many facts that show a clear view of Microsoft and VCSY working together to stengthen the VCSY patents that Microsoft is using within the 500+ new licensing agreements that Microsoft has engaged in since VCSY received the Continuation patent.




      Microsoft settled with VCSY the day before the Markman hearing and we as shareholders have been kept in the dark and have had to figure out why the silence and secrecy.

      After years of connecting the dots, I conclude that Microsoft had induced infringement on all of their partners by giving VCSY patent claims to them and now Microsoft has to continue to move forward in getting all of their partners to sign new licensing agreements that will include the VCSY patents. The original licensing agreements that Microsoft had with their partners did not include the VCSY patents, therefore newly signed licensing agreements that include the VCSY patents will relieve Microsoft of any induced infringement chrimes. imo

      (This statement and link below is from the original filing against Microsoft)
      "Microsoft has also induced others to infringe and/or has contributorily infringed those claims of the 744 patent."

      http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/files/library/verticalsuit.pdf

      So let's pinpoint why Microsoft was able to start signing Android users to a licensing agreement after VCSY received the Continuation patent. It's easy to see that Microsoft signed HTC to the first Android licensing agreement just after VCSY received the continuation patent, which along with the 744 patent, VCSY claims the Android operating system infringes.

      Also remember that in April of 2010, Wade said we were waiting for the continuation patent before engaging in new licensing agreements because it better protects VCSY's IP. We don't see any new licenses signed by VCSY, but we do see that Microsoft is signing new licenses with everyone. BINGO! imo

      "In July 2008, we settled an infringement claim we had initiated in federal court against Microsoft. We are waiting for the issuance of the Continuation Patent for U.S. Patent No. 6,826,744 (which SiteFlash is based upon) before we engage with new licensees because we believe the Continuation Patent provides better protection for this intellectual property asset."


      I expect great things in the future and expect that if VCSY gave Microsoft a way to escape their induced infringement charges it was by giving them the time to resign all of their partners to new licensing agreements and also those that Google induced infringement upon by way of Lucovsky bring VCSY's technology to Google back in November of 2004, which gave Google the patent claims to create the Android Operating System and the Chrome OS. imo


      In some stuff below, I reply to bashers and repost their rants as a way for others to see the concentrated effort to cover up the use of VCSY's patents being used by Microsoft. imo



      By: dabbler3248
      06 Nov 2012, 04:34 PM CST
      Msg. 339418 of 339821


      So why does my theory of Microsoft using VCSY's patents to sign all new licensing agreements with their partners(500+) and the android crowd make sense? Because before their was a Confidential Settlement Agreement between VCSY and Microsoft, VCSY had not only accused Microsoft of infringement, but also of inducing infringement on others. So quietly Microsoft has been having all of their partners resign a new licensing agreement, hoping that none of Microsoft's partners realize that they have been induced infringement upon. I believe Barnes and Noble understood the leverage that they had against Microsoft and used that, even as a defendant to get Microsoft to pay them $300 Million for a small 17% stake in Nook. imo


      By: dabbler3248
      30 Oct 2012, 05:49 PM CDT
      Msg. 338834 of 339013
      (Reply to 338831 by JonnyQwan)


      Microsoft needs Interwoven to exhaust every arguement against the VCSY patents. imo

      It's all OBVIOUS!!!$$$

      Microsoft uses apollo as the codename for the new Windows Phone 8 device that was unveiled today and "coincidentally" VCSY's mobile technology is also codenamed apollo.

      Knowing that Microsoft and VCSY entered into a Confidential Settlement Agreement, it's easy to believe that Microsoft is using VCSY's patents to sign all of 500+ licensing agreements since VCSY received the Continuation patent.



      Microsoft's current Masterpiece of FUD is right before our eyes within the Confidential Settlement Agreement between VCSY and Microsoft. Paid shills such as tepe, al mirror, johnnnyri, kaatn and many other bashers try their best to bury and shoutdown the info that we VCSY Longs are finding. Microsoft's use of the codename 'apollo' is a dead give away since VCSY's mobile technology is codenamed apollo. Also with VCSY clainming that Android infringes the VCSY patents is just another clue to how Microsoft was able to gain leverage to start signing android licensing agreements and of course the "coincidental" timing was only since VCSY received the continuation patent of the SAME patent that VCSY filed the infringement lawsuit against Microsoft.


      Interwoven is fighting for every possible inch, even though Interwoven is obviouly in a no win situation.

      When trying to understand Interwoven's stance, I believe that Niro said it best(below) during the same interview when Niro stated that he has "a case still in existance with 500 to 1,000 infringers." imo

      Niro said;
      "And you're always going to find somebody that's gonna say, I'm not gonna pay anything, period, I don't care. And you're going to test that patent in some way on the merits to see whether or not it meets the criteria for a litigated patent. Can it withstand a claim construction, and can it withstand the validity attacks and so forth."
      http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/03/18/an-exclusive-interview-with-ray-niro-mr-patent-litigation/id=22872/




      By: dabbler3248
      14 Oct 2012, 08:49 PM CDT
      Msg. 337003 of 337449
      (Reply to 336988 by stockwabbit)


      It's a FACT that Microsoft used apollo as the codename for Windows Phone 8, just as it's a FACT that VCSY's mobile software is also codenamed apollo!

      Tell us again wabbit how you believe that Portuno doesn't know the value of VCSY's technology. LOL!~



      Portuno posted right on topic about "apollo" just one month after the Confidential Settlement Agreement between VCSY and Microsoft.


      (By Portuno) In fact, the codename and concept for Adobe AIR (Apollo) echoed the VCSY Apollo smartcard system. How very interesting Adobe recently said AIR technology was designed for mobile computing but AIR won't be used in mobile computing. Why not, Adobe? We (I speak for many VCSY longs) believe VCSY is holding mobile computing away from those who have not demonstrated a license for the technology.


      Want to see a limited example of 744 in action? Look into developmentgateway.org and tell me how traditional software can knit together so many various legacy websites throughout so many widely scattered countries and do so with obviously small staffs and resources. If you can explain to me how the developmentgateway.org content management system can outdo every other CMS on earth, THEN you can ##### about being inundated with VCSY conversation.

      With 744, functionality can be integrated into the content and format capabilites of the developmentgateway architecture and a full-blown development ecology for living software will be established among the nations of the third world... probably before the tech-conceited first world gets a chance to enjoy the benefits. (Sounds like an equitable way to level the playing field.)

      Do a Google on developmentgateway.org and explain to me how so many various activities (human driven functionalities) can be infused into such a widely distributed system.

      What you see is only the beginning of what a 744 system can achieve (developmentgateway doesn't integrate functionality with the content/format integration. content/format/functionality integration is a key advance within 744). A full 744 system (of which Sharepoint to date of settlement has been only a fractional ecology until they settled with VCSY July 25, 08 for a full license - what will Sharepoint do in the future, Microsoft? You're welcome) is capable of turning the developmentgateway ecology into a full operating system for the entire mass of interoperable websites attached... and then even larger scales.

      Marry 521 into that and any legacy system may be modernized and integrated into the ecology at any granularity without ever touching one line of code in the legacy. Smart, ain't it? That's thanks to Misters McAuley (744) and Davison (521). I'm sure they would appreciate your thanks if you would deign to recognize their accomplishments instead of wanting to steal from them.

      (You do want to steal those innovations from them, don't you, Mister Berber? We know your type.)

      What you're looking at in developmentgateway is the base kernel to a semantic web platform of global proportions and all within countries that can't afford to buy new anything every time some self-important manufacturer decides to change the game rules.

      There's a reason developmentgateway.org can do these things. There's a reason VCSY's CEO was hailed by the United Nations in 2001. If you had half a wit you would attempt to find out why instead of complaining. Perhaps then you could discern a path for open-source and stunted proprietary-land to redeem itself and join the human race.

      To quote a Steely Dan song; "Son, you were mistaken. You are obsolete. Look at all the white men on the street."
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylr2D4Pwn58

      (By the way, Mister Fagen, fantastic concert in Berkeley. Thank you.)

      So why were 744 and 521 infringed? Because they are useful. Why are the VCSY products derived from those patents buried? Because those who infringed and are still infringing use their market muscle to bury those products.

      Fact: Sharepoint would not be what it is today without the usefulness of those patents.

      New Fact: Sharepoint will not be what it can be without those patents.

      THAT is what makes discussion here about VCSY relevant.

      "Does VCSY deserve to be discussed on this forum? Absolutely."

      Gee, thanks. I finally feel like I live in a free country.

      "Does virtually every article Joe writes about, a myriad of subjects, need to be turned into a discussion of how Microsoft has infringed on VCSY's patents and how VCSY is going to / has brought down the mighty Microsoft. Absolutely not."

      I agree. The responses should be relevant to article and comments.

      "It is crossing the line to use Joe's site as a personal space for your own mission."

      I agree. I don't use this space as a personal mission. I use it to comment on activities, articles, events and indications that have impacted my interests in the past, present and future. If that is not what I am doing then I suggest you are doing the same. So, quit using Joe's site as a personal space for your own open-source mission.

      The future of software development is going to be radically different from now on. That change started years ago and it didn't start with Laszlo Systems as is the common wisdom. It started with VCSY.

      Where did the designers get their ideas? The patent applications for both 6826744 and 7076521 were made in 1999. Both inventors are pioneers in network architecture. 744 being based on hive and distributed computing work by that inventor and 521 being based on distributed agent work in SNMP.

      Microsoft did not touch any of those subjects to any degree until after 2000. In fact, very few did. And the areas the few did touch were limited to making computers work more efficiently together (rather than making computers work with people in a distributed fashion more effectively) and making networks run faster and more efficiently (rather than extending the network operations across widely distributed areas).

      If you will bother to look at the technical background of those in VCSY who did invent these things that presaged the current development climate back in 1999 and further back, you will see they are in the who's who of software development long before the current crop of "experts" were a stain on the sheets.

      So, please spare me the self righteous croaking of frogs dragging themselves from the swampy mire assuming they've discovered the new world. The foot above you is the foot of a team who've perfected the architecture for building web operating systems and web applications that build web operating systems and web applications.

      When you can discuss how they do that rather than croak the same mating call of the open-source community "wewantitfree" "wewantitfree" "wewantitfree", THEN you can tell me what and what not to do with my personal space.

      Keep up with the attitude and I can assure you your beloved infringing freedoms will be a convenient cavity in which to stick a very large tool for propagating a new species... and you'll pay for it "in the end" as it were just as any other species gets pregnant with new promise.

      Some things will never change.


      more at url:
      http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/web_services_browser/ie8_the_rough_cut.html

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      By: dabbler3248
      10 Oct 2012, 10:33 AM CDT
      Msg. 336459 of 336804
      (Reply to 336342 by DINO)


      DINO, sorry for the delayed response. Of course I can only offer a guess to your question, but we all know that's all we can do until Wade speaks.

      If we can assume that Windows Phone 8 was codenamed apollo because it will have VCSY's XML(521) patent in it,
      (http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=MSFT&read=160439))

      then I believe a licensing agreement with the use of VCSY's 7,076,521 patent would be a material event and therefore require an 8-K from VCSY. I do believe that android also infringes VCSY's 521 patent and was the hammer that Microsoft held over HTC, Samsung, LG and others to force them to sign all of the new android licensing agreements, even though the VCSY 744 and 629 were facing reexaminations. Of course until Microsoft actually puts out a mobile device using the 521 patent they are protected by yet another loop-hole from mentioning VCSY even though android, made by Google infringes the 521 patent. However, I do imagine that the value of the 521 patent is being evaluated by the use of Microsoft's Android licensing agreements that had been only active since just after VCSY received the continuation patent. Very very confusing, especially to try and explain to others. imo

      Personally, I am anticipating that Microsoft will unveil Windows Phone 8 just as planned on October 29th, but will not release it until closer to the five year anniversary, giving the bad guys more time to beat the VCSY shareholders down.


      I also expect that Windows 8 will have the 744 and 629 patents but anticipate that VCSY and Microsoft will skirt the legal line in announcing it, because they think that stringing together many loop-holes is a legal way to hide a Microsoft-VCSY connection. I disagree and will pursue clarity for us shareholders.


      By: DINO
      09 Oct 2012, 03:39 PM CDT
      Msg. 336342 of 336455


      Dab, lets say the new windows 8 phone is all it's suppose to be, are we going to have to wait a year to see if it brings any value before we get paid? There is always another hurdle to jump, at what point is this game over.....Really?


      --------------

      Since I hate to waste space, let me leave this here also. ;-)


      By: dabbler3248
      09 Oct 2012, 02:04 PM CDT
      Msg. 336322 of 336456
      (Reply to 336306 by KAATN)


      So each passing day kaatn becomes more irrated on how clear the VCSY and Microsoft relationship is and claims that, "WE WILL GET NOTHING". Yet he is still here claiming to be the strongest of the Longs. The only thing long for kaatn, mirror, al, johnnnyri and tepe will be their ja!l sentence. imo


      By: KAATN
      09 Oct 2012, 11:06 AM CDT
      Rating: You rated it:
      Msg. 336306 of 336321


      babbler Why don't you tell us what the total $ amt. is that is owed to insiders for back pay + their 12 % interest after all these years.Isn't it about 2 mil. now? And how much do we owe cronies in loans from them @ 15 % ? and to back taxes and other law suits we still owe on? And to tiny web server goes 6 mil. $ off the top but not before Niro's 40 % which come out first for his cont. fees. So even if we get 20 mil. this time instead of just 2.9 mil. like from msft, what is left? I know. NOTHING. WE WILL GET NOTHING. What say you babble boy.

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      By: dabbler3248
      09 Oct 2012, 07:55 AM CDT
      Msg. 336282 of 336321


      Let's discuss a possible Microsoft-VCSY merger to see if it makes sense...

      1. VCSY and Microsoft entered into a Confidential Settlement Agreement on July 24, 2008.

      2. Microsoft announced a $20 Billion share buy-back on July 25, 2008. In order to merge with VCSY, Microsoft would need to give VCSY shareholders Microsoft stock.

      3. Microsoft has only started signing android licensing agreements since VCSY received the continuation patent. VCSY claims android infringes the 744 and 629 patents.

      4. Along with the few dozen android licensing agreements, Microsoft has signed over 500 other licensing agreements since VCSY received the continuation patent.

      5. Microsoft has used apollo as the codename for Windows Phone 8 and VCSY's codename for their mobile technology is also codenamed apollo.

      6. VCSY hired Niro in connection with licensing the VCSY 6,826,744 patent. Niro represented VCSY in the Microsoft lawsuit, where Microsoft was granted a non-exclusive fully paid-up license, seperately from the Confidential Settlement Agreement.

      7. Niro has stated that he has a case still in existance with 500 to 1,000 infringers

      8. VCSY and Niro have not announced any other licensing agreements since the Confidential Settlement Agreement, allthough we do know that VCSY has pursued Samsung, LG and Interwoven.

      9. HTC signed an android licensing agreement with Microsoft just after VCSY received the continuation patent, but Samsung and LG did not sign an android licensing agreement with Microsoft until after being pursued by VCSY.

      10. VCSY did not include HTC in the lawsuits with Samsung and LG. Why? Was it because HTC already agreed to pay a royalty when HTC signed the Microsoft android licensing agreement?






      By: dabbler3248
      05 Oct 2012, 06:00 PM CDT
      Msg. 335970 of 336108
      (Reply to 335946 by KAATN)


      Obviously KAATN doesn't comprehend too well, because in my post I clearly state that I believe that Windows Phone 8 codenamed apollo might be the trip-wire to cause Microsoft to end the NDA, not Windows 8. imo

      (from my post)
      Yes, I say that Microsoft is evil! I believe that VCSY will only survive by being silent until all of the details of a five year NDA are fulfilled, or if Microsoft first steps on a trip-wire that will cause Microsoft to end the NDA on their own.

      So, what might we see that would be the trip-wire for Microsoft? That's an easy one. imo

      How about "apollo"?

      Microsoft has used "apollo" as the codename of their highly anticipated Windows Phone 8. It's not difficult to believe that VCSY and Microsoft agreed to use the apollo codename as a clear sign of Microsoft terminating any further time left on a NDA. imo

      I watch closely as many Microsoft partners have been chompping at the bit to put out Window Phone 8 devices. I also look closely as I expect some trickery from companies like Nokia who are guided by Stephen Elop, a former Microsoft employee who was the head of the Business Division, responsible for the Microsoft Office line of products, and a member of the company's senior leadership team.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop




      By: dabbler3248
      05 Oct 2012, 01:45 PM CDT
      Msg. 335940 of 335969
      (Reply to 335935 by KAATN)


      Funny how KAATN keeps trying to prove me wrong, but he always provides the platform for me to further detail the situation, therefore strengthening VCSY Longs confidence in their investment.
      Whoever is paying KAATN must find his efforts counter-productive. imo

      I imagine that Microsoft had these companies sign a NDA's because Microsoft is in the process of buying the patents from VCSY when the reexaminations are completely finished and when applications 12/777,885 and 09/888,329 are approved. VCSY's 7,076,521 patent is the only patent that has not had to be reexamined or completed. The same 521 patent that is the first patent in history to decribe XML as a functional programming language.


      Most articles about Microsoft android licensing agreements just read like the Samsung and LG agreements below, not detailing the specific patents;

      "Samsung will be paying Microsoft undisclosed royalty payments to license undisclosed Microsoft patents."
      http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/samsung-signs-microsoft-patent-licensing-deal-to-cover-android-devices/10840


      On January 12, 2012 LG signs Android, Chrome OS patent deal with Microsoft
      "Terms of the deal between the two are not being disclosed."
      http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/lg-signs-android-chrome-os-patent-deal-with-microsoft/11636?tag=content;siu-container



      By: dabbler3248
      05 Oct 2012, 08:40 AM CDT
      Msg. 335900 of 335937
      (Reply to 335897 by stockwabbit)

      wabbit, in the first sentence of that statement "we" referrs to only VCSY. However, Microsoft was mentioned in the context of that statement for a reason, and after the first sentence "we" becomes VCSY and Microsoft. IMO

      The reason that there are no licenses showing under VCSY is because Microsoft is the ones using the 744 and 629 patents to get the licensing agreements signed. VCSY claims that android devices infringe the 744 and 629 patent. Microsoft signed HTC to an android licensing agreement just two weeks after Wades statement. That was the first of many android licensing agreements that Microsoft had engaged in. Since the HTC licensing agreement Microsoft has engaged in over 500 new licensing agreements. Samsung and LG only signed an android licensing agreement with Microsoft after being pursued by VCSY.

      Niro said that he has a case "still in existance with 500 to 1,000 infringers". If Niro was talking about VCSY do you think that Niro would want to be a VCSY sharehholder? I'm sure that we know it would be illegal for Niro to start buying VCSY stock because of his involvement in the Confidential Settlement Agreement. However, there is no crime in having shares gifted to him as payment. imo

      Wade DID gift large amounts of shares exactly 90 days after hiring Niro and then again, exactly 6 years after hiring Niro.

      You can say it's all just coincidences, but I think a CEO like Wade who operates in a stealth like fashion can cleverly send signals to shareholders and the industry in general by using dates of events.

      Remember that Wade hired Niro on 06-06-06(666), not to get settlement money, but in connection with licensing the 744 patent. So why don't we want to believe that Microsoft is signing all of these new licensing agreements with VCSY's patents. I've often heard of Microsoft mentioned as the beast of the technology industry and I believe that there are some pure evil people posting here that are connected to Microsoft. It will be noted and documented in my book thanks to the many posts of mirror, tepe, al, KAATN and even you wabbit. imo.



      "In July 2008, we settled an infringement claim we had initiated in federal court against Microsoft. We are waiting for the issuance of the Continuation Patent for U.S. Patent No. 6,826,744 (which SiteFlash is based upon) before we engage with new licensees because we believe the Continuation Patent provides better protection for this intellectual property asset."


      By: dabbler3248
      03 Oct 2012, 03:10 PM CDT
      Msg. 335716 of 335894
      (Reply to 335700 by KAATN)


      So who is paying KAATN to post? Microsoft? VCSY? Niro? How about all of them? Wade said in the 04-14-10 10-K filing that VCSY was waiting for the Continuation patent before engaging in new licenses. He did not specificly say that VCSY would be signing them. Just two weeks later Microsoft signed HTC to the first of many android licensing agreements and one of the first of the new 500+ licensing agreements outlined in my post below. Interesting that Microsoft would sign it's first android licensing agreement only after VCSY receives the continuation patent, since VCSY claims android infringes the 744 and 629 patents that have just successfully been cleared by the patent examiner in the reexams.

      So if VCSY was waiting on the continuation patent and Microsoft has signed over 500 new licenses since VCSY received the continuation patent, it would then make sense that Niro was talking about VCSY/Microsoft when he said that he has a case still in existance with 500 to 1,000 infringers.

      Wouldn't Niro want to be a shareholder in a company that has 500 to 1,000 infringers if they are all signing licenses and not paying infringement money? Maybe he is a VCSY shareholder. imo

      The first big share gift of 6,635,293 shares by VCSY's CEO Richard Wade family trust was exactly 90 days after hiring Niro. Maybe that was like a retainer fee. imo

      The last big share gift of 7,750,000 shares by VCSY's CEO Richard Wade family trust was done on 06-06-12, exactly six years after hiring Niro. Maybe that was like a final payment. imo




      By: dabbler3248
      01 Oct 2012, 09:25 AM CDT
      Rating: post rating 4 Msg. 335405 of 335712

      I've read and posted many times what VCSY's CEO Richard Wade had said below, but back then the view was still foggy, but now that we know that Microsoft has signed over 500 new licensing agreements since Wade made that statement, and that Niro said that he has a case still in existance with 500 to 1,000 infringers, it just becomes another puzzle piece that fits snuggly into it's place. imo


      If you read and think about what Wade said in that April 14, 2010 10-K filing, it helps strengthen my theory that Microsoft is using the VCSY patents to sign all of these licensing agreements that I outline in my post below. Microsoft started by signing HTC to the first of over 500 new licensing agreements just weeks after Wade's statement to us shareholders in the 10-K. imo


      "In July 2008, we settled an infringement claim we had initiated in federal court against Microsoft. We are waiting for the issuance of the Continuation Patent for U.S. Patent No. 6,826,744 (which SiteFlash is based upon) before we engage with new licensees because we believe the Continuation Patent provides better protection for this intellectual property asset."
      http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/DisplayFiling.aspx?TabIndex=2&FilingID=7186223&companyid=70466&ppu=%252fdefault.aspx%253fcik%253d1099509



      By: dabbler3248
      28 Sep 2012, 11:53 AM CDT
      Msg. 335110 of 335389
      (Reply to 335097 by KAATN)


      Wrong? HA! Longs are confident in my view, don't you like it?

      Also something that I have stated several times in the recent past is that I do not expect any large settlements from the Samsung, LG or Interwoven case. I'll tell you why and of course it's only my opinion, but it fits very well with everything else written in my post below.


      I believe that Samsung and LG, were pursued by VCSY to get Samsung and LG to sign an android licensing agreement with Microsoft just as HTC did right after VCSY received the Continuation patent. Both Samsung and LG have now signed an android licensing agreement, since being pursued by VCSY.

      I believe that Interwoven was added to the lawsuit with Samsung and LG to force the patents through a reexamination at the request of Microsoft, who would want to see validation of such a big investment as I believe it is. The patents have not only held up through a reexam process but came out STRONGER!!!


      So the way that I see it, Microsoft got what they wanted from all three companies listed in the VCSY lawsuit.


      If we take Niro's statements in the interview and the fact that Microsoft has signed over 500 licensing agreements since VCSY received the Continuation patent, it becomes clearer that VCSY should merge with Microsoft. Afterall Microsoft did announce a $20 Billion share buy-back the very next day after the Confidential Settlement Agreement. Microsoft upped it to a $40 Billion share buy-back a few months later. Obviously Microsoft needed the shares for something and it makes sense that Wade would avoid new investors because why let them buy shares for pennies knowing that they will become Microsoft shares, right?

      (from my post below)
      Microsoft has used "apollo" as the codename of their highly anticipated Windows Phone 8. It's not difficult to believe that VCSY and Microsoft agreed to use the apollo codename as a clear sign of Microsoft terminating any further time left on a NDA. imo


      My guess is that we will see reward sometime between now and July 24, 2013. Why would Microsoft delay Windows Phone 8?

      Do I trust Wade 100%? Nope, but I do trust that VCSY has the patents that are fueling Microsoft's next generation efforts!


      There is plenty more to say, but I'll save it for another day.


      ----



      By: dabbler3248
      28 Sep 2012, 12:16 AM CDT
      Rating:

      Msg. 335080 of 335080
      (Reply to 335068 by KAATN)
      Jump to msg. #




      If a CEO is not promoting his corp, products and patents don't you think that there is a reason for his silence? It's not hard to believe that VCSY's CEO is being kept quiet by a five year Non Disclosure Agreement. Microsoft entered into a five year NDA with The Transmetta Corp. Of course Transmetta was driven out of business before the five years was up. I think that the bashing crew has been hoping for the same fate for VCSY. Ha! Looks like Wade is to smart for you thugs. Maybe you should have listen to Gates long ago and "adjust your shorts".

      Obvious that us shareholders were supposed to fall for the Microsoft FUD just like the rest of the technology industry has for years. Sorry that I had to be the monkeywrench bashers, but I always liked puzzles and this one had the potential of a big reward. Now that we know that the patents have been deemed patentable by the examiner in the reexams, it looks like our confidence will grow along with the tight hold on our shares.

      VCSY shareholders should read the History of Transmetta at the link below and then we might begin to understand just how evil Microsoft is and why VCSY's CEO is very quiet. imo
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta

      Yes, I say that Microsoft is evil! I believe that VCSY will only survive by being silent until all of the details of a five year NDA are fulfilled, or if Microsoft first steps on a trip-wire that will cause Microsoft to end the NDA on their own.

      So, what might we see that would be the trip-wire for Microsoft? That's an easy one. imo

      How about "apollo"?

      Microsoft has used "apollo" as the codename of their highly anticipated Windows Phone 8. It's not difficult to believe that VCSY and Microsoft agreed to use the apollo codename as a clear sign of Microsoft terminating any further time left on a NDA. imo

      I watch closely as many Microsoft partners have been chompping at the bit to put out Window Phone 8 devices. I also look closely as I expect some trickery from companies like Nokia who are guided by Stephen Elop, a former Microsoft employee who was the head of the Business Division, responsible for the Microsoft Office line of products, and a member of the company's senior leadership team.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop

      I'll tighten up my posts later, but you can thank KAATN's rants against Wade's silence for inspiring me to post further.

      By: dabbler3248
      25 Sep 2012, 02:16 PM CDT
      Msg. 334673 of 334958



      The two VCSY patents that have been in the reexamination process, have both shown to be patentable and made even stronger through the reexamination that was initiated by Interwoven, who is a longtime partner of Microsoft.

      I have little doubt that Microsoft used Interwoven to get the patents reexamined while Microsoft used the VCSY patents to sign all of the Microsoft partners and the Android crownd to new licensing agreements. Since Microsoft is the king of FUD(Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt), I don't doubt that Microsoft has many messageboard bashers on the payroll bashing any positive info that might be linked to VCSY so that the public remains unaware of what Microsoft does not want known.

      I've already shown proof many times before that Microsoft has sign over 500 new licensing agreements since VCSY recieved the Continuation patent.

      Below are two qoutes from the VCSY's attorney who handled the Microsoft lawsuit. Raymond Niro said this in an interview just six months ago;

      "Well I have a case, still in existence, where the market determined that the royalty should be- in a case with 500 to 1,000 infringers, okay?"

      (obviously Niro was talking about Microsoft's favorite puppet Interwoven here)
      "And you're always going to find somebody that's gonna say, I'm not gonna pay anything, period, I don't care. And you're going to test that patent in some way on the merits to see whether or not it meets the criteria for a litigated patent. Can it withstand a claim construction, and can it withstand the validity attacks and so forth."
      http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/03/18/an-exclusive-interview-with-ray-niro-mr-patent-litigation/id=22872/

      Since both Niro qoutes fit my scenerio, why wouldn't Niro want to be a shareholder in VCSY? It just so happens that I believe that Niro is a VCSY shareholder. The two biggest share gift's from the VCSY CEO Richard Wade were done on very interesting and curious dates.


      The first big share gift of 6,635,293 shares by VCSY's CEO Richard Wade was exactly 90 days after hiring Niro
      http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=4644087-1303-8981&type=sect&TabIndex=2&companyid=70466&ppu=%252fdefault.aspx%253fcik%253d1099509

      The last big share gift of 7,750,000 shares by VCSY's CEO Richard Wade was done on 06-06-12, exactly six years after hiring Niro
      http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=4644459-1310-9172&type=sect&TabIndex=2&companyid=70466&ppu=%252fdefault.aspx%253fcik%253d1099509


      We are in for a fun ride! imo



      Looks like longtime VCSY basher tepe was wrong.

      By: tepe
      02 May 2012, 10:24 AM CDT
      Msg. 321914 of 322103
      (Reply to 321910 by dabbler3248)


      You kept claiming the 744 claims were valid up until the USPTO did the re-exam. Then the re-exam happened, and 29 claims were invalidated. Until the USPTO reinstates them, they are invalid. The USPTO letter is a notice of invalidation of the claims. VCSY can contest their determination, but if they don't do it in 2 months it stands as is. Even if they challenge it, the USPTO may maintain their current position. We will wait an see, but I don't expect all claims to be reinstated.

      And that's a possibility you can't deny, Babbler.

      And 4 years without one penny from MSFT says you're FOS on any claim that MSFT still owes VCSY something.





      By: dabbler3248
      24 Sep 2012, 06:39 AM CDT
      Msg. 334346 of 334564


      A successful reexamination of both patents is the most recent GREAT NEWS from just days ago. The new claims(54-57) that we approved in the 6,826,744 patent, have helped all of the amended claims in patent 7,716,629 become patentable.

      These two patents have been tested and made stronger, should make for a much stronger Operating System, like the one that Microsoft is claiming Windows 8 to be. imo

      (in the reexamination application # 09/900,983)
      "The following is an examiner's statement of reason's for patentability and/or confirmation of claims found patentable in this reexamination proceeding."
      Claims 21-26, 29, 30 and 32 are confirmed
      Claims 1-6, 8-17, 19, 20, 28 and 31 are patentable as amended
      Claims 7, 18 and 27 were not subject to reexamination
      -----------------

      With bashers shouting down every positive post by Longs, it's no wonder that nobody in the technology industry is addressing the fact that Microsoft has signed over 500 new licensing agreements since VCSY's continuation patent was allowed. Microsoft ihad just over 600 licensing agreements signed from 2003 up until April 27, 2010 when HTC signed the first Microsoft Android licensing agreement. However, as of April 25, 2012, Microsoft now has more than 1100 signed licensing agreements. The two press release links below are proof that Microsoft has signed over 500 new licensing agreements.

      April 27, 2010
      Agreement will cover HTC's Android phones.
      "Since Microsoft launched its IP licensing program in December 2003, the company has entered into more than 600 licensing agreements"
      http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2010/apr10/04-27MSHTCPR.aspx
      ------------------
      Microsoft and Pegatron Corp. Sign Patent Agreement Covering Android- and Chrome-Based Devices
      April 25, 2012
      "Since Microsoft launched its IP licensing program in December 2003, the company has entered into more than 1,100 licensing agreements"
      http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/Press/2012/Apr12/04-25PegatronPR.aspx

      So that's 500+ new Microsoft licensing agreements and yet there are no curious industry journalists and bloggers interested in knowing just what patents Microsoft is using that could be so strong and powerful that Microsoft has even forced the Android crowd to pay Microsoft a royalty for using the Android OS in their mobile devices. The Android OS which was made by Google and was given away free by Google to many companies to use in their mobile devices. So which patents are Microsoft using
      So wouldn't Ballmer be wetting himself with each Android licensing agreement that Microsoft enters into, knowing how it would sting Eric Schmidt each time another is signed? Of course, as we see the hatred that Ballmer had for Schmidt at the time that Lucovsky left Microsoft for Googole.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lucovsky

      So we know that VCSY filed infringement charges against Microsoft for infringing the 6,826,744 patent, and if Lucovsky took VCSY's patent claims with him from Microsoft from Google back in November of 2004 then that would explain Ballmer's anger at that time and also how VCSY would claim that Android, which as we know is made by Google, infringes the 744 and 629 patents. Also it would explain how there could be 500 to 1,000 infringers. imo

      Microsoft and VCSY entered into a Confidential Settlement Agreement on July 24, 2008. On the same day, VCSY granted Microsoft a non-exclusive fully paid-up license for the 744 patent. So it could be assumed that Microsoft was granted a license for past damages and VCSY entered into a Confidential Settlement Agreement that the details remain hidden by a NDA. Twenty months after entering into a Confidential Settlement Agreement with Microsoft, VCSY received the Notice of Allowance on the Continuation patent of the same patent that was the subject of the legal proceedings with Microsoft. Very soon after VCSY received the Continuation patent(7,716,629), Microsoft and HTC signed a licensing agreement where Microsoft would get a royalty for every HTC device sold that uses the Android OS.

      So Microsoft was granted a non-exclusive fully paid-up license for the 6,826,744 patent that was the subject of VCSY's infringement lawsuit. The non-exclusive fully paid-up license would appear to be for past use. imo
      The Confidential Settlement Agreement would appear to be for future use. So we try to figure out the Confidential Settlement Agreement details while the messageboards are rampid with bashers, who are heavily invested in trying to CON'vince all the readers that there is nothing to the Confidential Settlement Agreement between VCSY and Microsoft.

      VCSY secured the Notice of Allowance on the Continuation patent and then we see Microsoft immediately enteing into Android licensing agreements, starting with HTC. Samsung and LG did not sign an android licensing agreement with Microsoft until well after VCSY filed infringement lawsuits against Samsung and LG for infringing the same 6,826,744 patent and also the continuation of the '744 patent(7,716,629) in the Samsung and LG Android devices. Longtime Microsoft partner Interwoven was also included with Samsung and LG in the same lawsuit filed by VCSY, but obviously not for anything to do with Android. Interwoven is the company that forced the 744 and 629 patents to be reexamined. Interwoven was bought by Autonomy, then Autonomy was bought by Hewlett Packard. Autonomy CEO and Founder Mike Lynch "stepped down" less than a year after Hewlett Packard made the $11.7 Billion purchase.

      Because it is a FACT that Microsoft has signed over 500 new licensing agreements since VCSY received the Notice of Allowance on the Continuation patent, it's not hard to believe that the Confidential part of the Microsoft settlement is that Microsoft is using VCSY's patents to sign the Android sellers to licensing agreements, while the patents go through the reexamination process. Of course it gets more exciting if you believe that Niro was referring to VCSY/Microsoft when he recently stated;
      "I still have a case still in existance with 500 to 1,000 infringers.
      Also it would seem that Niro was referring to Interwoven when he stated;
      "And you're always going to find somebody that's gonna say, I'm not gonna pay anything, period, I don't care. And you're going to test that patent in some way on the merits to see whether or not it meets the criteria for a litigated patent. Can it withstand a claim construction, and can it withstand the validity attacks and so forth."
      http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2012/03/18/an-exclusive-interview-with-ray-niro-mr-patent-litigation/id=22872/
      Yup, I think that Microsoft is using VCSY's patents and that is why the Android licensing agreements were kept secret.

      Also it might make sense that we could get shares of Microsoft in an even swap for our VCSY shares in exchange for the patents that VCSY listed in the 8-K filed on the two year anniversary of the Microsoft/VCSY Confidential Settlement Agreement.

      http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=7378323-958-6759&type=sect&TabIndex=2&companyid=70466&ppu=%252fdefault.aspx%253fcik%253d1099509

      The rest of VCSY being spun-off to us shareholders under VHS, which you might remember authorized 10 million shares, days after VCSY received the Notice of Allowance on the Continuation Patent.

      http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=7172194-957-9385&type=sect&TabIndex=2&companyid=70466&ppu=%252fdefault.aspx%253fcik%253d1099509

      You do remember that Microsoft announced their largest stock buy-back in company history the very next day after entering into a Confidential Settlement Agreement with VCSY right?

      NO WONDER VCSY HAS AVOIDED NEW INVESTORS ALL OF THIS TIME!!! imo

      ------------------------------

      So let's add to my what I see:
      Why were Samsung, LG and Interwoven all lumped together in one lawsuit by VCSY?
      I believe that Samsung and LG would not sign an Android licensing agreement with Microsoft as HTC did, soon after VCSY received the Allowance of the Continuation patent. So therefore VCSY filed an infringement lawsuit claiming that Samsung and LG's android devices were infringing the two VCSY patents. Also I believe that Interwoven was added to the lawsuit just for the purpose of, well let's use Niro's own words:
      "to test that patent in some way on the merits to see whether or not it meets the criteria for a litigated patent. Can it withstand a claim construction, and can it withstand the validity attacks and so forth."


      On June 06, 2006 - VCSY hired Niro on a contingency basis to act in connection with the licensing of VCSY's 6,826,744 patent
      "Vertical Computer Systems, Inc. (VCSY) announced today that it has retained the law firm of Niro, Scavone, Haller & Niro on a contingency basis to act in connection with the licensing of United States Patent (U.S) No. 6,826,744, the underlying Patent under VCSY's SiteFlash and SiteFlash-derived products."
      http://www.vcsy.com/press/releases.php?year=2006&month=06&day=06&num=00


      On April 18, 2007 Vertical Computer Systems, Inc. Files Patent Infringement Lawsuit Against Microsoft Corporation
      "VCSY claims that the Microsoft .Net System infringes U.S. Patent No. 6,826,744."
      http://www.vcsy.com/press/releases.php?year=2007&month=04&day=20&num=00

      On July 24, 2008 VCSY and Microsoft enter into a Confidential Settlement Agreement, with very little info provided and a confusingly defined 8-K form. No press release was issued.

      "Pursuant to the confidential settlement agreement, the Company has granted to Microsoft a non-exclusive, fully paid-up license under the patent which was the subject of the legal proceeding".

      http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1099509/000114420408043346/v121651_8k.htm


      VCSY secures a Notice of Allowance on March 25, 2010 for the Continuation patent which is known as the 7,716,629 patent.
      http://www.vcsy.com/press/releases.php?year=2010&month=03&day=25&num=00

      On April 28, 2010 Microsoft gets the ball rolling by signing HTC to a license where HTC will pay Microsoft royalties for using the Android Operating System.

      "Mobile phone maker HTC has agreed to pay Microsoft an undisclosed sum to license Microsoft patented technology for use in phones running the Android operating system, Microsoft announced on April 27.
      Which patents is HTC licensing specifically? The pair won't say."
      http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/is-the-microsoft-htc-patent-deal-more-about-linux-or-apple/6026?tag=mantle_skin;content


      On September 11, 2010 Acer and ViewSonic sign Microsoft patent deals covering Android, Chrome OS devices.
      http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/acer-and-viewsonic-sign-microsoft-patent-deals-covering-android-chrome-os-devices/10577?tag=content;siu-container

      VCSY files lawsuit against Interwoven, Samsung and LG.
      Samsung and LG are accused of violating VCSY's 744 and 629 patents in their mobile devices.
      http://www.docstoc.com/docs/62017035/Vertical-Computer-Systems-v-Interwoven-et-al




      It was only after a lawsuit was initiated by VCSY against Samsung, LG and Interwoven that Samsung and LG decide to sign a Microsoft Android license. Oh and a week before Samsung signed, they had dropped their lawsuit against VCSY.HMMMMMMMMMM!!!


      On January 12, 2012 LG signs Android, Chrome OS patent deal with Microsoft
      "Terms of the deal between the two are not being disclosed."
      http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/lg-signs-android-chrome-os-patent-deal-with-microsoft/11636?tag=content;siu-container

      On September 28, 2011 Samsung signs Microsoft patent licensing deal over Android
      "Microsoft and Samsung have announced a cross-patenting deal that will see the Korean firm pay royalties for every Android smartphone and tablet it sells, as well as greater collaboration on Windows Phone devices. The license agreement's which Microsoft describes as evidence of a clear path forward for Google and others who have complained of the impact of patents on Android's development's means that Microsoft collects cash from two of the largest Android device producers around, Samsung and HTC, leaving Motorola as the obvious missing link."
      http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/samsung-signs-microsoft-patent-licensing-deal-to-cover-android-devices/10840


      (Sounds like Samsung is waiting for a 744 and 629 license to kick in- imo)
      April 17, 2012 "After Microsoft announces Windows Phone 8 Apollo, Samsung will release a high-end smartphone using the operating system and till then it won't release any new Mango device."
      http://bangnext.com/mobile-phone/samsungs-high-end-windows-phone-8-smartphone-in-oct/


      (Microsoft still adding new licensees)
      April 25, 2012 Microsoft adds Pegatron to its patent-licensing stable
      "Microsoft now has more than a dozen patent-licensing deals with vendors providing Android and Chrome OS-based devices , almost all (if not all) of which involve those vendors agreeing to pay Microsoft licensing fees for undisclosed Microsoft patents upon which Microsoft officials have said that Android and Chrome OS potentially infringe."


      (and back in 2004 where and why things were heated between Microsoft and Google)


      August 31, 2004 VCSY SiteFlash Patent Allowance
      See USPTO PAIR Site at: http://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/pair
      and use application number: 09/410,334
      Look for allowance notice under Image File Wrapper tab.
      November 11, 2004 Ballmer throws chair during meeting with Mark Lucovsky on news he is leaving MSFT to join Google
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lucovsky
      November 18, 2004 Ballmer accuses Linux of violating
      vcsy-guy
  • Rumor has it

    Rumor has it Sinofsky wants the CEO position and Ballmer is no where near ready to let go the reins. Sinofsky knows the clock is ticking (He's no spring chick) and if he wants to be a CEO he needs to move on.
    NoAxToGrind