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Jason D. O'Grady & David Morgenstern

Apple PR’s dirty little secret

By | February 15, 2012, 7:07pm PST

Summary: Apple PR maintains a blacklist of journalists that it refuses to talk to. This includes any media outlet that posts anything even remotely negative or heaven help you, a rumor.

Apple’s public relations department is notoriously tight-lipped and only responds to a limited subset of the mainstream media, and usually only the outlets that write positive things about its products.

If you dare to write an unflattering piece about Apple or — heaven forbid – post a rumor you’re almost guaranteed to lose your access to Apple. I know this firsthand because I’m the poster child of Apple’s PR blacklist. (I was part of a precedent-setting legal case with Apple in 2005, which I won on appeal in 2007 — thanks to the Electronic Frontier Foundation.)

Say what you will about my work, but I call ‘em like I see ‘em.

I write good things about Apple, I write bad things about Apple and I also publish rumors when I believe that they’re credible or plausible. I write about things that I find interesting and about topics that will benefit my readers. Sometimes Apple likes what I write other times it doesn’t. Apple and I have classic love/hate relationship.

But one thing’s for sure, I’m not an Apple cheerleader. If like reading puff pieces about Apple there are a number of websites and blogs that will gladly oblige. Or heck, just dial up apple.com/pr.

Case in point: On February 7 when Arun Thampi posted on his blog that Path was sneakily uploading iPhone user’s address books to its server — without permission — I called and emailed Apple. Apple didn’t reply. Then and I blogged about it.

On February 8 when Dustin Curtis blogged that Apple makes a standard practice of approving apps that upload the entire contents of your iOS address book to developer’s servers I again called and emailed Apple. Apple didn’t reply. Then I blogged about it.

Later. Rinse. Repeat.

Then I got an idea. Since Apple PR never responds to my voicemails or emails, maybe they’d respond to the guys that do have access. So I contacted several prominent Apple pundits (who shall remain nameless) that are known for their access to Apple (some of whom get replies from Apple “every time”) and I asked them to enquire about Apple’s stance on enforcing its policy on address book uploads.

And you know what? None of them would do it.

(Update: ironically there’s a couple of exclusive stories out today about Mac OS 10.8/Mountain Lion which certain members of the Mac Illuminati had access to a week early.)

Why? They’d probably say that Apple wouldn’t comment. But someone’s got to ask if they expect Apple to reply. I mean come on! Apple’s not going to press release its shady developers that steal your contacts.

The fact of the matter is that most journos with access to Apple are afraid of losing it. They’re afraid of asking the tough questions. They’re afraid of getting blacklisted. Like me.

So then I contacted the Wall Street Journal.

There’s a prominent columnist at WSJ that has lots of access to Apple. Arguably the most access to Apple. Apple loves the Journal. Apple sends controlled leaks to the Journal. Apple gives unreleased product to the Journal. Surely, Apple would have to respond to the Journal. Right?

Well guess what? Apple spokesman Tom Neumayr replied to AllThingsD today about the issue of developers stealing your contacts without permission. (More on that later)

Gee? I wonder why?

I’ll tell you: AllThingsD is a wholly owned subsidiary of Dow Jones & Company Inc., which is a member of The Wall Street Journal’s Digital Network (which includes WSJ.com, MarketWatch, Barron’s, and SmartMoney).

It’s simple really. Apple needs the Journal. The Journal doesn’t need Apple. And the Journal’s not afraid of getting on Apple’s PR blacklist — because it would never happen.

Other wags with access, but without the clout of the Journal are probably afraid of getting blacklisted if they probe around too much — or ask the tough questions.

My point is that if Apple PR actually read blogs and responded to queries from bloggers things like Address-gate might not explode into giant issues that end up in the Wall Street Journal. Apple could have nipped it in the bud a week sooner by simply replying to my email or voicemail with something to the effect of “yes, we’re aware of the issue and we’re looking into it.”

Instead, Apple makes a conscious point of ignoring certain journalists hoping that unsavory issues like Address-gate blow over and that no one will notice. Well guess what, I’m persistent. And if Apple doesn’t reply, I’ll contact the people that I know at the Journal — or my Congressman.

And before you cry “sour grapes!” consider this. I’ve been blacklisted by Apple for over 10 years. I never get invited, I never get replies. I’m long over it. This doesn’t have anything to do with me. It’s about you and your privacy. I called and emailed Apple PR because I care about my (and your) private contacts and I wanted to know why Apple isn’t enforcing its own privacy policies.

If you don’t care about developers stealing your contacts, that’s fine. But I do.

Most wags desperately want their coveted invitation to Apple’s iPad 3 event next month which they’ll proudly post on their blogs. But they also know that they might lose their seat at the event if they upset the Applecart.

As for me, I’ll be following the iPad 3 liveblogs like everyone else.

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Jason O'Grady is a journalist and author specializing in mobile technology. He has published six books on Apple and mobile gadgets and his PowerPage blog has been publishing for over 15 years.

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Jason D. O'Grady is the creator and editor of O'Grady's PowerPage, which has been publishing mobile technology news since 1995. He maintains an advertising relationship with the following legacy advertisers on the PowerPage:

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Biography

Jason D. O'Grady

Jason D. O'Grady developed an affinity for Apple computers after using the original Lisa, and this affinity turned into a bona-fide obsession when he got the original 128 KB Macintosh in 1984.

He started writing one of the first Web sites about Apple (O'Grady's PowerPage) in 1995 and is considered to be one of the fathers of blogging. He has been a frequent speaker at the Macworld Expo conference and a member of the conference faculty. He also co-founded the first dedicated PowerBook User Group (PPUG) in the United States.

After winning a major legal battle with Apple in 2006, he set the precedent that independent journalists are entitled to the same protections under the First Amendment as members of the mainstream media.

O'Grady is the author of The Nexus One Pocket Guide, The Droid Pocket Guide, The Google Phone Pocket Guide, and The Garmin nuvi Pocket Guide (Peachpit Press), the author of Corporations That Changed the World: Apple Inc. (Greenwood Press), and a contributor to The Mac Bible (Peachpit Press). In addition, he has contributed to numerous Mac publications over the years, including MacWEEK, Macworld, and MacPower (Japan).

When he's not writing about Apple for ZDNet at The Apple Core, he enjoys spending time with his family in New Jersey.

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What did you do ten years ago to earn an Apple PR Lifetime banishment?
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Jason D. O'Grady 15th Feb
@kenosha77a

probably just posting rumors, i guess.
but this was the icing on the cake:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/apple-vs-me/170

- Jason
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Yup. That probably did it.
jscott69 16th Feb
@Jason D. O'Grady But kudos to you (and the EFF) for sticking to your guns over a constitutional disagreement. Well done.
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@Jason D. O'Grady
So you're not a reporter but rather a gossip. I enjoy facts, not innuendo so take your gossip with you when you and the other old ladies in your gossip group have nothing else to do but gossip about anything that suits you regardless whether true or false.
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"Apple PR maintains a blacklist of journalists that it refuses to talk to. This includes any media outlet that posts anything even remotely negative or heaven help you, a rumor."

Jason, what do you expect? You work for the enemy now. You work for Microsoft/ZDNet/CNet. You're a professional anti-Apple propagandist, a professional liar. Everything you write is done to discredit Apple.

Apple doesn't turn on REAL writers who write bad reviews, and you know it. Only the professional liars, like you. They know that if they gave you the time of day, you'd find some way to make it ugly.
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Maybe more simply, they just don't consider you very important or influential ?
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Jason D. O'Grady 15th Feb
@alindsay0

I don't care if Apple thinks that I'm "important" or "influential." See my paragraph on "sour grapes." I wanted Apple to take action against nefarious developers stealing my contacts.

I don't like it when Apps steal my contacts without my permission. I like it even less when Apple allows it to happen. I like it less+ when Apple ignores requests for comment on it's own policy.

I'm assuming that your fine with the practice?

- Jason
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@Jason D. O'Grady So because we don't think for a minute there's an Apple blacklist, and even if there was, that you rate being on it, it means we are *for* apps stealing our data?
This reasoning explains a lot of ZDNet articles...
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@Jason D. O'Grady Firstly Apple's silence does not imply they agreed (or me ?) with what was happening with the contact data.

Apple PR probably didn't even have a reply to give you at the time. Just because an issue is discovered and reported doesn't mean they will have a press release on hand to provide on that exact situation.

Like all their communication , nothing is going to be stated until they can provide clear information on where they stand and what they're planning to do.
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Serious _Yahoo 16th Feb
@Jason D. O'Grady

But pushing LImeWire is OK ?
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@alindsay0

Gossips are not what would be considered as important or influential.
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peterhelpme@... Updated - 3rd Mar
Unlike your theory, the reality is much different when it comes to gossip. Let me remind you that a gossip was a very good reason to invade Iraq and cause hundreds of thousands of deaths. How about that ?
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Case dissolved half way through
Richard Flude 16th Feb
"Apple PR maintains a blacklist of journalists that it refuses to talk to. This includes any media outlet that posts anything even remotely negative or heaven help you, a rumor.

...

And the Journal???s not afraid of getting on Apple???s PR blacklist ??? because it would never happen."

Hmmm. No doubt Apple has there media favourites and views many as not worth responding to, we all do.
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ShawnKingYML 15th Feb
"Apple PR maintains a blacklist of journalists that it refuses to talk to."

Prove it.

"Apple leaks things to the Journal."

Prove it.

"I???m long over it."

LOL You're really not.
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Jason D. O'Grady 15th Feb
@ShawnKingYML

a) ask around a little, send an (non-softball) email yourself to apple PR, call apple pr yourself. you're a journalist, right?

b) are you serious? obviously there's no proof. it's my opinion. but then again there's:

http://gigaom.com/apple/former-apple-marketing-chief-confirms-tablet-info-leaks-are-intentional/
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/02/14/an-exquisitely-timed-iphone-leak/
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/how_apple_does_controlled_leaks/
plus a million other sources. you read the trades, right?

c) lol, i am. happy

Thanks for reading!
- Jason
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ShawnKingYML 15th Feb
@Jason D. O'Grady

a) I speak to Apple PR on a regular basis.

b) Yes, I'm serious and if there's no proof, you're dead in the water and your article, regardless of what you say, comes off as whiny sour grapes.

The articles you link to prove nothing. The first simply references the third (which has been discredited) and the second makes unproven assumptions and accusations - just like you did.
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frogspaw Updated - 16th Feb
@Jason D. O'Grady
'lol, i(sic) am'
...err, NO, you are so not over it and your protestations to the contrary, undermine that notion, otherwise you would have long ago drawn a line underneath preceding history and moved on. You are making the mistake of mixing personal notions of 'fair-ness' with right and wrong, which enables Apple or any other corporation, to ignore you and control the story - with impunity. If you expose yourself and your real intentions then you fall at the first hurdle of ...forcing them to recognise your intelligence and give you an answer, which, I'm afraid, this article and your reasoning, does - along with much of the Apple related content that Zdnet produces. Aligning yourself with faux indignation, invective and snark, puts you so far below Apple's radar that...well...you are just encouraging Apple to ignore any valid point you may have. Bleating about say 'Apple's faceless corporate image and corporate spin' is akin to hating on the colour pink - because it's so...well...pink and is never going to be another colour.
On the other hand, recognising Apple for what they are, which is to say, a behemoth multinational entity with needs and policies at variance with naive notions of fairness, open-ness and accountability is, IMO, the more intelligent foundation from which to parse your enquiries. Put another way, ask your question from where the metaphorical puck is going to be, if things turn out as you expect - not from where it is now. It's an approach more likely to get a reply - if only to fob you off because it's seemingly innocuous and therefore easy to answer. But then, if you are proven right, you are more likely to have their attention thereafter.
Sorry if this comes across as patronising, I used to run journalism courses and almost the first thing we advised, was to leave yourself, your pre-knowledge and any judgemental tendencies at the door, on the way to a story.
Fairness for friends and family is wholly appropriate.
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wuboyblue Updated - 17th Feb
@Jason D. O'Grady I'm not a fanbois, but I am a 20 year veteran of the US Navy and we kept a list of people we'd talk to and others. Apple, like any other company likes to put their best image forward. I love my new Mac Mini, sure I bought more storage and a 27" monitor, bringing me one step closer to fanbois, but I still have common sense. It's a mid 2011 Core i5, 2.5 Ghz.

Okay it's cool, but really any big institution has it's people that it can go to. It took me three calls to get the sampling rate of the sound port, something I could have got of the back of a SoundBlaster box.Apple is more "black box" in a sense, but this is a much better quality machine than my old machines, it's like a Linux machine that actually works with DRM and real integration of software.

I honestly believe most folks hear what they want to hear. Speaking to PR doesn't mean you're getting anything special, it means you're getting PR. Do I believe you, yes. As a retired Navy CMDR, I kept a list of people to say nothing to. Hey, I'll blow sweet nothings in their collective ears, in the end, they got nothing.

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deaf_e_kate 15th Feb
@ShawnKingYML : have you ever posted anything against Apple or are you just a sycophantic apple brown noser?
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augustus_rome 16th Feb
@deaf_e_kate that is what he is apple is all about blind greed and that will be their undoing in a few years, we will all see the empire crumble. apple is built on hype much like nazi gemany.
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ShawnKingYML2 16th Feb
@deaf_e_kate

LOL If you knew anything about me you'd know I've said more "against Apple" than O'Grady has ever written.

I'm a lot of things but no one can accuse me of being a "sycophantic apple brown noser".

Hope that answers your question.
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augustus_rome Updated - 16th Feb
@ShawnKingYML get outa here you apple pr thug.
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ShawnKingYML2 16th Feb
@augustus_rome

Seriously? "Apple PR thug"? Sorry but I don't work for Apple.
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@ShawnKingYML

Reminds me of a Holocaust denier.

There are eyewitness accounts from survivors.

"Prove they're not lying."

There are photographs and artifacts.

"Prove those aren't fakes."

There are blueprints for the cremation ovens.

"Prove they weren't bread ovens."
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ShawnKingYML2 16th Feb
@hickum

You make my case for me. There is *no* evidence for what O'Grady is saying. Ask him to show it to you. He's ignored me.

All he has is assumptions and suppositions none of which are evidence of his accusations.
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Jason is a JOURNALIST
Laraine Anne Barker 16th Feb
Ever known a journalist let anything get in the way of "a good story"?
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@ShawnKingYML

Kudo's. I agree.
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Pete "athynz" Athens Updated - 16th Feb
@ShawnKingYML So I guess Violet Blue is not the only ZDNet blogger you are willing to take on...

The ONLY thing I can agree with you on is that Jason is not quite over it as he claims. But you cannot tell me that Apple does not have a journalistic (term used loosely) black list - along with every other company or politician.
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Frankly I am pretty sure Apple knows who you are.

What is not unique to Apple however is this blacklist you talk about. All big companies with PR departments have them.
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ShawnKingYML 15th Feb
@BFD Apple PR most certainly knows who Jason is. They know the vast majority of the Mac media by name and reputation.

But there is no "black list" the kind of which Jason refers to.
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And you know of this how?
Mister Spock 15th Feb
@ShawnKingYML
Sports and media stars have their own blacklist, as do politicians and other orginizations.

Why would a media savy company like Apple not have a blacklist of anyone who could damage their media image?
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Jason D. O'Grady 15th Feb
@ShawnKingYML

It's ironic that you'll apologize for Apple just to bash me -- even though I'm pretty sure that you'd be against someone hacking into your contacts.

Prove me wrong: Instead of ad hominem attacks against me, take a side on address-gate. Do you approve of apps that upload your AB without permission? Was Apple right to allow dozens of developers to do it? (Serious questions).

You say "there is no black list" -- You PROVE IT!

It's even more ironic that you yourself maintain a "black list" of journos that you carry a grudge against, and I'm on it.

Proof?: Link to one positive thing that you've ever said or written about me in 15+ years of being in the business. (I can point to dozens of ad hominem attacks that you've made on me both on your blog and on your show over the years.)

You're a walking contradiction!
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- Jason
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RE: Apple PR's dirty little secret
TheWerewolf 15th Feb
@ShawnKingYML Have a chat with...well, anyone at Gizmodo about that...

Jesus Diaz in particular. happy
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RE: Apple PR's dirty little secret
The Danger is Microsoft 18th Feb
@Jason D. O'Grady - You are as stupid as you look. You can not prove a negative. You can only prove a positive.

Geez...tired of your sad and lazy writing. What a hack you are!
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I do believe you
Mister Spock 15th Feb
the fact that others who do get responses would not even ask the question for you is compelling evidence to back up your claim.

We do know how Apple responds to negative criticism in reference to antenna design and other problems that have made it to the final product.

This is something that a well polished orginization like Apple would have mastered long ago.
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Jason D. O'Grady 15th Feb
@Mister Spock

Seriously, this post is NOT about me.

If you read it objectively it's obvious that Apple would pick and choose which media outlets that it gives preference to. EVERY company does this as has been said already in the comments. (nice call on celebs and politicians btw, probably the worst offenders!)

I see that it's the term "blacklist" that people are going to object to. Let's just refer to the positive then. Some journos have "access" and other don't. Pure and simple. Can we all agree on that?

The fact of the matter is that there are a limited number of seats in the theatre at the Yerba Buena Gardens. Therefore Apple can only invite a limited number of people to its announcements -- like at your birthday party (let's call them the "C" list). Therefore, Apple must pick and choose who to invite. It's simple supply and demand. EVERYONE would attend if they could. But they can't. Boom. There's your "access."

Apple usually hand selects a subset of media from the invited ("C" list) to a backstage/private room afterwards where these journos (the "B" list) get some "hands on" time with the new Apple iron. These people hurriedly publish "exclusive," "hands on" and "updated with video" posts in a race for bragging rights as to who's touched it first. These posts are worth MILLIONS of page views.
This is a fact. Google it.

Then there's Apple's Media Elite (the "A" list). A handful of wags (4 that I can recite by rote) that get new Apple hardware 5-7 days before the rest of the world (under HEAVY NDA, obviously!). This has been the case for years and anyone who's followed Apple know this. The proof: As soon as the iPad 3 comes out, look at who posts their full-length review THAT day. These are the guys that have already been using it for days while you and I refresh our "order status" page on store.apple.com happy

The perception that my ego is bruised because I'm "important" and (waaaah!) "Apple doesn't take my calls" is patently false. I've been in the business too long to have be that thin skinned! (See my graph on "sour grapes" in my post).

Frankly, people who play the ego/sour grapes card, either a) don't know what they're talking about, b) don't know me; and/or c) have an agenda/axe to grind (and you know who you are!)

On other thing.... Apple also has a relatively small PR staff for a company of its size, so there's only so many people that they can reply to/call back. So they're naturally going to pick and choose.

- Jason O'Grady? - Delete
- Wall Street Journal? - How can we help you?

I'm also not delusional. A company of Apple's size requires some time to reply to big issues (we're talking Congress here folks! your privacy is federally protected!). I'm sure that Tom Neumayr's response to WSJ/ATD had to be vetted through not only PR, but Legal and probably Tim Cook himself.

But again, as I said in my post, would it have killed Apple to simply reply with "we're aware of the issue and are looking into it." ??

Remove me from the equation and use rational common sense. Apple knew about the issue and hoped that it would just blow over. But I called in the big guns and got an answer! LOL

In all seriousness. If you give a rat's ass about your privacy, Apple's response is a victory!

What's the over/under on the number of days before the software update comes out.

I'm going offline for the night (It's midnight ET). Someone keep an eye on that Shaun King. I'm sure that he'll bash personally me all night! (huge chip on his shoulder)

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- Jason
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RE: Apple PR's dirty little secret
ShawnKingYML Updated - 15th Feb
@Jason D. O'Grady

"I'm sure that he'll bash personally me all night!"

LOL Feeling persecuted, Jason?

I'm sure after you have a nice sleep, you'll come back in the morning all refreshed and able to respond to the questions posed to you here. Have a good night.
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Post-keynote hardware access
robpegoraro 15th Feb
At the three product launches I've covered at Yerba Buena--iPad, Apple TV 2.0, iPad 2--there was no separate guest list for hands-on time with the hardware afterwards. Everybody with a press pass was invited to walk over to the other auditorium to check out the merchandise. Also, the first-look posts I wrote from that experience didn't get millions of page views, or even hundreds of thousands. (Dozens of thousands? Sure.)

- RP
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@Jason D. O'Grady

"Seriously, this post is NOT about me."

Really? You say:
I know this firsthand...
I???m the poster child...
I call ???em like I see ???em...
I write good things about Apple...
I write bad things about Apple...
I also publish rumors...
I write about things...
Sometimes Apple likes what I write...
Apple and I have classic love/hate relationship...
I???m not an Apple cheerleader...
I called and emailed Apple...
I blogged about it...
I again called and emailed Apple...
I blogged about it...
I got an idea...
I contacted several prominent Apple pundits...
I asked them...
Like me...
I contacted the Wall Street Journal...
I wonder why?...
My point...
simply replying to my email...
I???m persistent...
I???ll contact the people that I know at the Journal...
I???ve been blacklisted...
I never get invited...
I never get replies...
I???m long over it...
This doesn???t have anything to do with me...
I wrote to Apple...
I care about my (and your) private contacts...
I wanted to know why Apple...
But I do...
I suspect that I???ll be relegated to following the iPad 3 liveblogs...

Nope. Not about you at all.
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Apparently this is about you, Shawn
use_what_works_4_U 16th Feb
@shawnkingyml
Nice little list of all the things Jason listed in the blog that he experienced. Are you saying he shouldn't write about his own experiences and direct evidence?

Ask Leo Laporte about this. He used to be invited to Apple press events. At one of them he used his MacBook to take an image, which he says Steve noticed (I think it was the iPad1 announcement, but I am not certain). Since then he's gotten nothing but the cold shoulder from Apple despite being one of their biggest supporters in journalism to this day. The blacklist is real, and it's not surprising.

Nice job of hijacking the commentary and making it all about you. Your petty attacks here force me to not take you seriously and I will not be seeking out your coverage in the future. You should have taken the high road.
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@Jason D. O'Grady Jason, this comment is so much more reasonable than the inflammatory blog post that heads it. Perhaps if you promoted it to the top (or, heaven forbid, edit your original post or add a new post with this material) we'd have fewer fanboys of both sides slinging mud against you and/or each other over it, and a more reasonable discussion of what it means to "have access", and how the journos that do have it husband it.
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ShawnKingYML2 16th Feb
@use_what_works_4_U

"Are you saying he shouldn't write about his own experiences and direct evidence?"

Not at all. He often does that. I have no issues with it at all nor did I say I did.

But when Jason claims, "Seriously, this post is NOT about me" and then proceeds to write in the first person manner I pointed out (that's called "evidence, Jason) then his claim is laughable at best.

Hope that helps.
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The Danger is Microsoft 18th Feb
@Jason D. O'Grady - Please resign pathetic little man!
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RE: Apple PR???s dirty little secret
Rabid Howler Monkey 15th Feb
From the article:
"The fact of the matter is that most journos with access to Apple are afraid of losing it. They???re afraid of asking the tough questions. They???re afraid of getting blacklisted.

This reminds me of the White House Press Corps. Although, there have been exceptions (such as Sam Donaldson and Helen Thomas).

Also from the article:
"Since Apple PR never responds to my voicemails or emails, maybe they???d respond to the guys that do have access.

This reminds me of the U.S. government using the Swiss embassy in Iran for communications with the Iranian government. Since the U.S. does not have an embassy in Iran.

Spooky. Keep up the good work, Jason.
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How Awful - Being an Apple Brown Nose
jpr75_z Updated - 15th Feb
Imagine spending your career brown nosing a corporation so you can be on their A list. I don't know who is worse, the corporation or the pathetic, low life brown noser. Yuck... skeevy. You should be glad you are blacklisted.
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Jason D. O'Grady 15th Feb
@jpr75_z

I don't know about "glad" that I'm on it.
But watch the apple apologists show up in this thread. They'd defend Apple if it killed their mother! People change the issue to me and my ego and sour grapes - whatever!
When they show up in the comments ask them simply the questions I asked Shaun King above:
a) do they approve of blind AB uploads?
b) do they approve of Apple looking the other way?

Honest people will answer no and no.
Anyone who turns it into a personal attack on me probably has an agenda.

Honest people should be glad that someone cared enough to reach out to the WSJ to press the issue -- because it got a response. The correct response (that apple will fix it!)

THAT is the real victory here!

I could care less about getting an invite to Apple's event. happy
Never have, never will!
Especially after this post!

'night happy
- J
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@Jason D. O'Grady Jason, this comment is so much more reasonable than the inflammatory blog post that heads it. Perhaps if you promoted it to the top (or, heaven forbid, edit your original post or add a new post with this material) we'd have fewer fanboys of both sides slinging mud against you and/or each other over it, and a more reasonable discussion of what it means to "have access", and how the journos that do have it husband it.
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Who is on the Crony list then?
dazzlingd 15th Feb
I'm sure it's it least
John Gruber
Walt Mossberg
MG Siegler
Jason Snell
David Pogue
Joshua Topolski
....?
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Jason D. O'Grady 15th Feb
@dazzlingd

no comment. but if you do your own research it's pretty obvious.
see my comment about Apple's A, B and C lists above.

I'm on Apple's "Z" list - LMFAO!

- J

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