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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

HP's TouchPad lands July 1: Can it challenge Apple's iPad or claim No. 2 spot?

By | June 9, 2011, 6:55am PDT

Hewlett-Packard said its Wi-Fi version of its TouchPad will be available in the U.S. July 1 and that latest challenger to Apple’s iPad should be interesting to watch.

First, the details. HP’s TouchPad will be available in the U.S. in a 16GB version for $499 and a 32GB version for $599. Those prices match Apple’s iPad and the going rate for tablets. HP will start preorders in North America and Europe June 19.

Globally, the U.K., Canada, Ireland, France and Germany will get the device in mid-July. Italy, Spain, Australia, Hong Kong, New Zealand and Singapore will get the TouchPad later this year.

With its global bases covered, HP will have the latest in a long line of so-called iPad killers. In a statement, HP touted its WebOS as a key differentiator and alternative. Indeed, the WebOS is sharp, but HP will need the app ecosystems. Related: HP brings WebOS to phones, TouchPad (photos)

All things being equal though, HP’s TouchPad could give the iPad some competition. Here’s why.

  • Previous efforts to unseat the iPad have flopped. A parade of Android devices have hit the market and largely disappointed. Samsung’s 10-inch Galaxy Tab looks like the first suitable Android tablet. Research in Motion’s PlayBook may become an enterprise play, but so far hasn’t set retail channels ablaze.
  • The inability of those tablet challengers to gain traction means that the door is wide open for the No. 2 slot in the tablet market. Why not the TouchPad? At some point a solid No. 2 will emerge.
  • HP has a retail footprint. HP is hard to beat in the retail shelfspace department. Stores including Best Buy, Staples, Office Depot, Walmart, Sam’s Club, OfficeMax, Amazon.com, Fry’s and others will carry the TouchPad. That distribution is hard to match.
  • WebOS is appealing. For techies, HP does bring a unique OS to the tablet market. If HP can do interesting interactions via WebOS to its printers and PCs, there could be some mojo there.
  • HP has the enterprise heft to push the TouchPad to businesses.
  • And finally, HP has the scale to lower the price bar on TouchPad should it gain traction initially.

That final point is the wild card. Many iPad rivals have flopped out of the gate early. HP’s mission will be to get some early momentum, keep it going and push into its home enterprise turf.

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RE: HP's TouchPad lands July 1: Can it challenge Apple's iPad's or claim No. 2 spot?
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Until consumers (and Bloggers) actually get their hands on these HP tablets, that question must remain unanswered. Certainly, HP tablet hardware and WebOS bring great potential to this market segment.

Having said that, the recently announced iOS 5 update seems to have addressed most of the concerns people have voiced during the past 1.5 years about Apple tablets. Only true multitasking for all apps remain beyond iOS capability. (The wireless mirroring of iPad screen content to an HDTV - via Apple TV - is a very nice enhancement to the iPad capabilities. Many professional and home computing activities can benefit from this new ability.)

Of course, in about eight months after HP tablets go on sale, iPad 3 will most likely enhance the hardware capabilities of the iPad ecosystem. Just something to consider.

Personally, I suspect Win 8 tablets will be the true competitor to Apple's iPad market share. But only time will tell.
@kenosha7777
Well said. I totally agree.
@Rama.NET: ... any sane code running on the background up to 10 minutes. This is still not true multitasking, but it is quite close (and, in practice, it *is* -- there are not a lot of uses which would need anything more than that).

As to TouchPad, it has certainly faster CPU for integer calculations, but lacks ARM's SIMD vFPU unit, and it has way weaker Adreno 220 GPU (even though it is a top of Adreno family).

There is not much 'promising' in TouchPad device technically, and even less platform/ecosystem-wise. But yes, it might compete for #2 spot very well (yet Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.1 is somewhat better for #2).
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Written by people that don't understand software or systems.
before making a purchase of something that isn't as useful as what Windows 8 promises.

WebOS is a non-starter, for most people, and the iPad is burdened by being limited to the Apple ecosystem, which is the direction Apple is taking with its iCloud.

However, I too will take a wait and see attitude with Windows 8 until I see what it actually delivers.
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@adornoe@...
1) As evidenced repeatedly, you do not speak for most people
2) useful is in the eye of the beholder, so again, you are not in a position to speak
3) in what way, pray tell, is the iPad limited to Apple's ecosystem?

As usual, you speak from a position of willful ignorance.
Music:
I can d/l music from just about any source and upload to any iOS device. I can upload songs I RIPed from CD. No Apple anywhere.
Video:
Likewise. I can also stream content via the various apps, such as netflix and of course YouTube, and if I must have flash, I can use iSwifter.
ANY vendor or content provider can make an HTML5 app, and it will run on iOS. No Apple anywhere.
Photos:
There are any number of photo editing and cataloguing apps, as well as online editors which have no affiliation with Apple, and work fine on the iPad.
Messaging:
Again, any number of apps, but also web-based messagers that have NO affiliation with Apple.

You just simply are not qualified to comment.
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@adorn@...
Well said, same boat here

@DeusXMachina
And what gives a hard-headed Apple fanboy like you the right to speak? As always, you're just a die-hard iDiot who can't see the benefits of non-Apple products over Apple products.
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MrElectrifyer: Well stated!
adornoe@... 9th Jun
DeusXMachina needs to get out more from that Apple cloud that "clouds" his thinking.

He's so much an Apple fanboi that his thinking is "clouded" and is acting more like a proud grandmother who will ask anybody in close proximity if they'd like to see pictures of her grandchildren. With DeusX, he's acting like the proud gramma of Apple. Very insecure.
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and with no desire to listen to other opinions.

The fact remains that Apple is building an Apple ecosystem, and the only thing that they can't control with their technology, is what people can access on the internet from their gadgets.

However, with iCloud, those things could change for the worse, with Apple controlling anything and everything you do from their version of "cloud".

As a "beholder", you are too biased to have any semblance of credibility.
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@MrElectrifyer

"And what gives a hard-headed Apple fanboy like you the right to speak?"

To quote a somewhat well-known figure, I believe that right to be unalienable. There is a HUGE difference between the right to speak an the right to speak for others.

"As always, you're just a die-hard iDiot who can't see the benefits of non-Apple products over Apple products."

1) Your posting history makes it clear that your towering intellect overshadows all. (Not)
2) Please post ANY proof that this is the case. I use MANY non-Apple products, do NOT own an iPad, DO own an Android device, and will back up ANY of my positions with facts.
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@adornoe

"and with no desire to listen to other opinions."

That's funny coming from the person who presumes to talk for everybody.

"The fact remains that Apple is building an Apple ecosystem, and the only thing that they can't control with their technology, is what people can access on the internet from their gadgets."

And the fact remains that Apple COULD restrict access no what people can access, but instead design their products specifically TO access these non-Apple services.

"However, with iCloud, those things could change for the worse, with Apple controlling anything and everything you do from their version of 'cloud'."

Oh really? Given what Apple has announced, how is that, exactly?

As someone whose posts are routinely shown to be factually inaccurate, you are too uninformed to have any semblance of credibility.
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@adornoe@... Flogging Windows 8 tablets before a prototype has even been demonstrated is more than a bit premature. All Microsoft is likely to deliver in the event is another slow Windows PC to add to the bevy of slow netbooks already out there. Even though some Windows 8 tablets are slated to use a new Intel low power CPU (with the 3D 22 nanometer chip), which presumably won't have the limitations ARM processors currently impose on Windows, it's still a stretch to think they will deliver decent performance at a price that competes with the iPad and other media tablets. Besides a new CPU, they will require a much larger flash drive on which to install Windows and the Microsoft software that it's supposed to support, and it will need more RAM to handle the full Windows and Windows application overhead. High capacity NAND storage alone is likely to push such a tablet over of the $1,000 price point.

There may be a niche for this iteration of Windows tablets (though this is an optimistic projection given Microsoft's tablet PC track record), but, even if Windows 8 can deliver an alternative media tablet savvy touch interface environment (as has been advertised for the tablet version of Windows 8) such a tablet won't be a competitor for the iPad.

Some day the hardware to support Windows in a media tablet form factor may make Microsoft's ambitions of a competitive tablet viable. But that day is not yet upon us.
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"and with no desire to listen to other opinions."

That's still the case, when it comes to your attitude, as demonstrated by each and every one of your posts.

That's funny coming from the person who presumes to talk for everybody.

That's funny, when someone considers that, I don't engage in most discussions and will only input my thoughts without pretending to speak for others, which is something that you are very guilty of. If I have a difference of opinion, I'll let you know, and sometimes, strongly, and that's not the same as speaking for others. Your statement fails the test of "logic". (I know you adore that word. )

"The fact remains that Apple is building an Apple ecosystem, and the only thing that they can't control with their technology, is what people can access on the internet from their gadgets."

And the fact remains that Apple COULD restrict access no what people can access, but instead design their products specifically TO access these non-Apple services.

Makes no sense.

Apple is building an ecosystem to service their gadgets, and to control what Apple customers can access via those gadgets through iCloud. Sure, the internet will be accessible, but, I don't think they had a choice there, but if they could, they would do it. BTW, can people use their iGadgets to access porn? I know I wouldn't use it for that purpose, and most people wouldn't use them for that purpose either, but, if someone was so inclined, would iPPLE allow people to do so with no restrictions, other than what the ISPs would control?

"However, with iCloud, those things could change for the worse, with Apple controlling anything and everything you do from their version of 'cloud'."

That's still what it sounds like, considering the material that's been put out concerning iCloud.

Oh really? Given what Apple has announced, how is that, exactly?

Being as restrictive as Apple has been with their products, iCloud and the whole ecosystem will be gauged towards control of anything that Apple makes and the type of traffic that will flow through them.

As someone whose posts are routinely shown to be factually inaccurate, you are too uninformed to have any semblance of credibility.

Oh, how cute. Trying to toss may own words back at me. There's not an original thought in that mind of yours, is there? And, you still have no credibility whatsoever. (And, hey, don't try that trick where you pull out your "experience as a professor who taught logic and calculus in college"; it doesn't work with me). Before you gain any kind of credibility, you have to start sounding like a grown-up.
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DeusXMachina... The points on Apple ties are valid. As an ipad and iphone user through work, with free use of both, I have spent MY cash on an Asus Transformer. Why do I want to tether myself to itunes to plop music and more importantly, films onto my ipad? Why would I want to plug in an adapter to use SD cards? Why would I NOT want to copy photographs easily whilst on vacation? There are so many reasons NOT to tie yourself to itunes and Apple.

Personally I'm all digital, without itunes. Sure one kid has it for her ipod and that makes sense. Thats populated in the main via WHS, a NAS, and a PCH-C200 NMT. CDs lie in the cupboard, DVDs are still played OR downloaded, and both cars use SD cards for music. We can survive without itunes, and we can make our own minds up. There's room for both but we'd all be dumb to think that Apple are doing this for our good. It's to tie you in to their greater ecology and fund their shareowners. Nothing wrong with that.... till folk try to tell you it's all free, all good, and that we're idiots for not buying it. You enjoy your setup and let us enjoy ours.

Why can't some of you stop going on and on about iPads etc? They are great but by no means perfect and there is plenty room for other products. Maybe the HP will manage to open zipped docs, passworded pdfs, and holy cow.... might allow you to EDIT docs. Crazy talk I know but jeez wouldn't that be useful????
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@GetReal-mac.com

And one can't edit docs on an iPad why, exactly?
and what is not multi-tasking. As Joe sixpack, let me tell you what multitasking is: I can get skype messages while I'm browsing the net and when I go back to my game, it picks up right where I left off, and it doesn't make my tablet or phone slow to a crawl or kill my battery life. How it's done is 100% irrelevant to me, as are pedantic definitions of what is and is not "true" multitasking.
and when it comes to computers, the "appearance" of having 2 or more things running at the same time is not real computer multitasking, where many things could be working in the background, getting some real things or work done. If a gadget gives the appearance of multi-tasking, by allowing you to skip to a different application and the current one simply stops doing things until you get back to it, then it's not multi-tasking in the true sense of computing lingo.

Now, when it comes to a smartphone or tablet or a personal computer that is servicing just one person, then the method for multi-tasking is irrelevant. When it comes to a computer being used for real production, it had better be doing real multi-tasking if the user so desired.
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Rennat 13th Jun
@Adornoe When will you and other Apple techies realize that Task-Switching is not the same as Multi-Tasking. They are is to completely separate directions! On a PC you can do Mutli-Tasking because you can do "Multiple Tasks" at once. On the iPhone, you can only use one app at a time, then switch between them. WebOS on the other had can run 9 trillion apps at the same time (well not really 6 trillion happy and you can really do "Multiple Tasks" at the same time. This is the definition of MultiTasking, its in the word it self. >>Multiple Tasks
of what you think I said.

You probably meant to address your response to fr_gough.

What I said is what you said. Besides, I'm not an Apple freak. Not even close.

Careful next time.
@fr_gough That's always been my issue with all the geeks that bash on iOS for this or that, they assume that Joe Sixpack cares when he actually does in the least. So it's not what they call true multi tasking, so what. So it's not up to their standards for this reason or that, so what to each their own. Apple has not designed their iOS devices to cater to the most tech savoy among us, they have designed them to target the average user. You know the group, the ones buying these devices by the tens of millions. The beautiful thing is that we don't all have to use the same devices. If one doesn't work for you don't be a small minded moron and hate it, move on and find what works for you and be happy.
@kenosha7777... Flogging Windows 8 tablets before a prototype has even been demonstrated is more than a bit premature. All Microsoft is likely to deliver in the event is another slow Windows PC to add to the bevy of slow netbooks already out there. Even though some Windows 8 tablets are slated to use a new Intel low power CPU (with the 3D 22 nanometer chip), which presumably won't have the limitations ARM processors currently impose on Windows, it's still a stretch to think they will deliver decent performance at a price that competes with the iPad and other media tablets. Besides a new CPU, they will require a much larger flash drive on which to install Windows and the Microsoft software that it's supposed to support, and it will need more RAM to handle the full Windows and Windows application overhead. High capacity NAND storage alone is likely to push such a tablet over of the $1,000 price point.

There may be a niche for this iteration of Windows tablets (though this is an optimistic projection given Microsoft's tablet PC track record), but, even if Windows 8 can deliver an alternative media tablet savvy touch interface environment (as has been advertised for the tablet version of Windows 8) such a tablet won't be a competitor for the iPad.

Some day the hardware to support Windows in a media tablet form factor may make Microsoft's ambitions of a competitive tablet viable. But that day is not yet upon us.
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Rennat 13th Jun
@kenosha7777 The true problem with Apple and most of their techie customers are that they just don't realize the importance of Multi-Tasking. When will they realize that Task-Switching just is not Multi-Tasking. There is a huge difference and it shapes how you work on your device. Another thing is that hardware is a major piece to the puzzle but it is only half! The other is the software (OS). If you are going to succeed, you are going to have to have the best hardware and the best OS! As for Windows 8 tablets.... your joking right? All they are is a bigger fail of the WinPhone 7 OS.
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non-biased 14th Jun
@Rennat What you don't seem to get is that it is very unlikely that most people really care if it is true multitasking or not. Does it allow some apps to run in the background while you are in another, yes it does. Does it allow all, no not if they weren't written to do so. On a PC the ability to multi-task is very important but on my smart phone, not so much. That is me and you apparently think it's huge deal but that's you, neither of us can speak for everyone. Or is it one of the last remaining talking point so we have to hammer on it to no end?
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Half-way right; half-way wrong...
adornoe@... 14th Jun
Your concept/idea/expectation/definition of what "true" multi-tasking is about, is correct. People can multi-task, but they can't do two different tasks at the same time, unless it's a task for which the human body has been programmed to do. However, people cannot do 2 or more things at the same time, without having to temporarily stop one task to concentrate on another. That's what some people and OS writers do with their "multi-tasking" computerized gadgets. They're not performing the different tasks at the same time.

You're wrong about Windows 8 tablets, because, you haven't had one to play or work with. Until you get your hands on one, then you can make a more educated analysis of them versus anything else. BTW, WinPhone7 might have some similarity to the Windows8 GUI, but the internals are not expected to be the same. And, hey, WP7 is just barely getting started, and will get a sudden boost when Nokia comes on board, so even your analysis for a current product is very flawed.

Hardware-wise, there's not much different in products from one manufacturer to the next, and playing favorites makes no sense, and being fanboish is even more senseless. The OS is what differentiates most hardware/combos, but, for the most part, the features and capabilities, end up being more or less the same. Marketing can make a product more popular, but not necessarily better.
Well RIM's effort was not a good product, it's that simple. The Android devices had "much weirdness";

First was the early ones that had a UI that was so clearly a phone UI everyone noticed.

Second the later ones had a UI that was utterly different to the first.

These seem contradictory, but if you think about what Apple did they aren't. The UI for the iPhone and the iPad are clearly the same animal, but they are different. The iPad introduced metaphors (popovers and split views) designed for a tablet. But it didn't gratuitously change the UI where it wasn't required. All the applications were "re-imagined" for the bigger display, but from familiar building blocks. This doesn't describe the "slash and burn" approach of Android.

So Android users (fans?) were often bemused by this radically different UI, and worse it is arguable that it is actually better (in many if not all cases).

Plus the perception was that Android devices would cost LESS than the iPad, this has coloured how consumers regarded these machines.

HP's offerings seem quite different. The UI story is much more like Apple's; there is a strong family resemblance. This, I think, is a good thing.

HP's offering probably has a "premium" price expectation, so I think the "sticker shock" won't be there in the same way it was for Android devices (I'm not saying there WERE over priced, but that WAS the perception, and that hurt their sales).

Now HP's problem is going to be apps, they have VERY few. They clearly know this, but what they need is a "killer app". Perhaps they have this base covered, if not at launch then soon after. If they do, I expect the last thing they want to do is show their hand before launch.

However, I think they have the best chance so far of creating a worthy competitor to Apple. But one should never underestimate HP's ability to screw it up. Let's hope they don't (because we need a proper alternative to the iPad/iPhone).
@jeremychappell RIM had a good tablet without any apps worth using.
@hayneiii@... I think the whole Android thing was at best half baked. The lack of an email client, utterly bewildering. The whole "paired to your BlackBerry Phone" thing was stupid.

If you mean the hardware was nice... well faint praise indeed.

Trouble is there isn't actually anything wrong per se with QNX, it's just the whole "user land" stuff that was borked on the PlayBook (and I think that's what you mean).
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mrxxxman 9th Jun
@jeremychappell Blackberry doesn't use Android.
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@jeremychappell

The single easiest thing HP can do is have a WebOS Enterprise Server application akin to BES. Make it possible to do super-granular configuration backup and restore, remote wipe, Activesync, etc. I'm not a fan of using Blackberry on the handset, but they are AWESOME on the back end. If HP can mimic that functionality with WebOS on the back end and make WES work on Windows and Linux for mixed environments, along with syncing between WebOS devices for the same user (i.e. the phone, tablet, and laptop effortlessly sync), toss in a few volume discounts and a foot-in-door "free TouchPad and WES CAL with new Server purchase" promotions, and HP could take the enterprise market from the server room out, instead of Apple's approach of going from the living room in.

Joey
@voyager529 That sounds like a "killer app" for Enterprise customers. Though iOS in the Enterprise is actually better thought through than you might realise.

But yeah, if they have a what you suggest and a matching "killer app" for consumers... that could change their chances.
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iOS is not for enterprise
mrxxxman 9th Jun
@jeremychappell iOS for enterprise? You've got to be kidding. Just try to administer 10 ipads for use by multiple users in an enterprise environment.
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@mrxxxman
Many people do it with ease every day. That you seem to think it difficult is more an indication af your competence (as are your inane posts) than of any actual systemic difficulty.
@jeremychappell Right on, especially your last sentence.
@jeremychappell

what makes you think that the playbook is a bad product? i think youre completely wrong on that idea. i bought my playbook and love it. i sold my ipad cuz it annoyed me every day. on my playbook i can read my emails and see everything in them. go to what ever website i want to and see everything, stream videos, whatever annoyed me on my ipad, my playbook fixed. i couldnt even make a friggen typo on my ipad and fix it. i love having my emails come straight to my playbook so i can read them in a bigger format, i love the nonproprietary input to watch the hd videos on my flat screens. battery life is great, i admit it was about the same on my ipad. its also much faster. i can actually use facebook chat, whether it be straight from the website or in the app. i can play games straight from the websites theyre on. all i saw with ipad was limitations. i cant wait til they get android app support this summer. hopefully other people will realize what the better tablet is.
Hi @kaylajazzmin

Douglas from RIM here. Glad you?re loving the PlayBook! Those features you mentioned get to the heart of what the PlayBook is all about. Whether it?s true multitasking with a movie streaming from the PlayBook to your HDTV while you?re downloading a book from Kobo and chatting on Facebook on the device at the same time, or tapping into the PlayBook?s full web experience and millions of Flash and HTML5 sites, it all comes together to set the PlayBook apart.

In case you missed it, we released an update to our Facebook app for the PlayBook earlier this week that makes it even better. You can learn more about it on our Inside BlackBerry Blog (http://bbry.lv/k0mETC).

Cheers,
Douglas, RIM Social Media Team
@tr0ndizzle I see you RIM Social Media Team members post from time to time and I have to ask a question. Why is it that you guys only post in response to somebody praising RIM and never respond with a rebuttal to a complaint? At least nothing that I have every seen.
@jeremychappell You make a good point about HP being potentially being able to carry a price "premium" over Android devices. When the iPad originally came out all we heard was how expensive it was until they realized it's not so easy to get that price point with quality.
(A comment about a typo in the title has been deleted - the issue was fixed by the time my post got in.)

If HP delivers a good product - and why would I expect differently - they'll do well for the reasons you indicate.

MBA type wonks might ask if HP reduced its margins (lowered its price) in order to buy market share. This is a bad idea, if one doesn't get the market share. A good idea if one gets the volume. A related question is its how much investment has it made for developer support and app distribution and does this increase numbers of units sold by a significant amount.

Also, can HP be ahead of Apple in terms of enterprise-related tablet amenities by the end of the year? It's difficult to imagine that Apple's ability to make money with its fashion cachet among general consumers could be challenged by HP's equally strong, but different, cachet as a brand for business. But, in the enterprise? HP knows how to sell there.

Tablets are going to be huge; the market sector is new and growing. To be "The Tablet for Business" would be a lucrative niche to fill. Apple likes to go from the home into the office. Back in the 80s, IBM (and its cloners) went from the office into the homes.

Unless there was a rush to ship on July 1 which leads to a fumble at introduction, HP should do fine.
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@DannyO_0x98
"If HP delivers a good product - and why would I expect differently - they'll do well for the reasons you indicate."
Mr. Dignan gave the following "reasons":
1. Everyone sucked so far.
2. Did I say everyone sucked? Maybe HP will suck the least.
3. HP sells stuff in STORES! wow.
4. Techies will like it. Oh, a solid 3% of the market. Mom is not a techie. Neither is the CEO.
5. HP has sales people.
6. HP could lower the price IF it takes off.

The main reason HP might go anywhere is how well they copy the iPad. And, for the same price, why not just buy an iPad?

Has Mr. Dignan seen / used the HP device? The quality of the product is what will sell it. When people see it in action, will they lust after it?
@Robert1024 A significant reason people don't buy an Apple iPhone or iPad is Apple's ying/yang of CONTROL. Their control is great for some purposes and awful for others. I don't need a tablet now. I'll probably take the plunge 3 months after Windows 8 devices come out - buy an iPad, HP TP or Android.
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@ Regulator1956

What does a hip hop group have to do with Apple?
What does a philosophy of dialectics have to do with control?
@Robert1024 It might be a significant reason for a very small percentage of the market but it's not a significant reason for a significant portion of the market.
Across the board, the answer is "It is the price, stupid." I am convinced that consumers, and even business users, don't care if it has better specs/features/interface, whatever. If the price is the same, why buy Brand X, when you can get a "real" iPad for the same price? I'm sure some folks will still pick a Cadillac (because it is not "foreign"), but most will pick the BMW/Mercedes over the domestic if price were the same. When you talk about "cachet" that is the real point - premium build and name recognition of iPad versus Touchpad.

One thoght on the "killer app" comment above - IF (the big "if") HP could get Microsoft to port even a watered-down version of Office to the Tochpad, then HP would own the business market - hands down. That is the critical failure of the iWorks brand, DocsToGo, and Quickoffice across iOS, Android, RIM, and I suspect coming soon to Touchpad - lack of a truly compatible Office suite (that doesn't destroy formatting and delivers document comparison/tracking).
@dksmidtx you can talk about specs better OS, whatever, but your statement is right on. That is exactly the problem for competitors....you are going up against the brand recognition. For the same price I will always pick the better brand.
brand and product and support can be expected to be around for a long time. HP, in this case and as a brand, has been around forever, but the newest tablet hasn't. But, on the greater point, if one can get a Cadillac for the same price as a Ford Focus, it would be utterly stupid to go for the Focus, even if it sells more and is seen more on the road.
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@adornoe

You don't get to change the comparitor in the analogy mid argument. It is intellectually dishonest.
As for actual Focuses and Cadillacs, there are any number of reasons a focus might be a better choice, including gas mileage and total COO.
anything of value to the discussion?

Is it that you feel you need to be contradictory, but for the sake of being contradictory?

You don't get to change the comparitor in the analogy mid argument. It is intellectually dishonest.

If you would pay attention to the overall sub-discussion, I was referring to the analogies being used with Cadillacs versus BMWs/Mercedes. So, in this case, it's you that is being "intellectually dishonest, and most of all, ignorant about the discussion.

As for actual Focuses and Cadillacs, there are any number of reasons a focus might be a better choice, including gas mileage and total COO.

Yet, that is not the "focus" of the discussion. If you were offered a Cadillac for a price which was comparable to that of a focus, I doubt that you would immediately break out you laptop or computing gadget to figure out COO and/or gas mileage. That would be utterly stupid to reject the offer, no matter what the advantages or disadvantages would otherwise be.

For an "educated" person, you sure don't do much thinking, do you?
@dksmidtx I agree the pricing killed any chance Android had. It was widely assumed that Android devices would be "cheap knockoffs" and when they weren't then people just bought "the real thing".

I'm not convinced people think HP's offerings will be "cheap knockoffs", but matched pricing with the incumbent is always difficult.

As for Microsoft Office on webOS: Steve Ballmer would rather chew off his own foot. Forget it, not going to happen. Office for iPad is more likely (Apple have units in the market).

But is Office "the be-all and end-all"? Especially on the tablet. Does a machine without a keyboard really need a heavyweight word-processor?
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