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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Netflix betting on subscriber fallout in Q3, everyone over it in Q4

By | July 26, 2011, 2:30am PDT

Summary: Netflix posted solid Q2 earnings on Monday, but naturally, all of the attention was focused on the recent price hikes. Nevertheless, Netflix execs feel confident that all the complaining is just hype.

Netflix posted solid Q2 earnings on Monday, but naturally, all of the attention was focused on the recent price hikes. Nevertheless, Netflix execs feel confident that all the complaining is just hype.

See also: Netflix makes case for its price moves, but cuts Q3 outlook

Speaking during the company’s quarterly conference call for investors on Monday, CEO Reed Hastings reiterated that Netflix regrets that customers are upset, but recognizes that most of these angry emotions will likely taper off within a few months:

Because of the timing, we announced it at the very beginning of a quarter, we’ll see the negative effects of it in Q3. That is, the elevated churn and lower revenue growth than we would otherwise have. Then the price increase takes effect essentially mid-September, on average. So we get a little bit of benefit at the end of the quarter and then the real benefit comes in the following quarters, Q4 and beyond. But in terms of tracking where we are and our expectations, we’re feeling very good.

Although the most obvious reasons as to why Netflix is raising its rates (i.e. having to pay more to Hollywood studios for licensing fees), execs spoke a little more about the jump in subscription rates. And even if subscriber numbers drop off, Hastings still boasts that Netflix is the number one spot for DVD rentals:

We feel great when you think about it with our DVD service at $7.99. It’s an incredible value. It’s the lowest priced offer in the marketplace. It’s the best service levels in the marketplace. So if a customer wants DVD rental by mail, we’re definitely the place to go. And then in terms of streaming, we’ve gained increasing confidence over the last two years about the viability and strength of a pure streaming plan. We gained some confidence when we launched in Canada and that blew away our expectations with the response. We gained some confidence when we led on our nonmember home page with streaming only and as we put in our shareholder letter, in Q2, about 75% of subscribers chose streaming only. In other words, even though DVD was only $2 more, 75% [were] stuck with streaming only.

Although there is Redbox and Blockbuster, Netflix still does lead the way in DVD sales. The real competition really is in streaming, with Hulu Plus and sites from cable providers like Xfinity from Comcast. Thus, Netflix actually does have a need to step up pricing in order to build that digital streaming library to stave off its competitors and have a chance to retain the majority of its customers base, which it likely will.

In a recent study conducted by Morgan Stanley’s AlphaWise on July 15 — just days after Netflix rates skyrocketed — found that subscriber churn and initial responses were fueled by “too much emotion,” which is likely to die down by the time the new prices go into effect for new subscribers this September:

Since Netflix’s July 12 price increase announcement, we have seen the ad-hoc polls’ churn results gradually come down; we anticipate the true churn rate will prove to be much lower and the that fulcrum point for sub churn will be at the legacy, 1-disc out, streaming plan.

Another survey reported by equity research firm Wedbush backs up those assertions with a report published on July 24. After finding that 31.4 percent of subscribers with the $9.99 plan (roughly 4.2 million subscribers) would drop their Netflix subscriptions entirely, Wedbush still believes that such estimates are actually just overdramatic:

In our view, respondents are more emotional and, in general, angrier following a price increase that is not accompanied by a meaningful addition to the value provided by the current services. Many appear to have viewed the price changes as a “takeaway”, and we believe that the large percentage who stated an intention to discontinue the service will reconsider their decision as they evaluate their alternatives to obtain streaming content elsewhere at a reasonable price. As such, we expect defections at perhaps half the rate indicated by the survey, and expect no more than half of the 5.5 million current subscribers who said they would discontinue Netflix service to actually do so.

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RE: Netflix betting on subscriber fallout in Q3, everyone over it in Q4
mrswilliamson 1st Oct
@CowboyJake I won't forget, that's for sure. Get a DJ DJ Agency
Don't bet on that people will forget about how Netflix raised their prices over 60% in one day. People that feel burned will not recommend Netflix to anyone after that. Netflix built their business on positive word of mouth and they now have lost the good will they spent years building up. I am betting Red Box will see a nice up tick in their revenue over the next year or two.
@CowboyJake Oh yes, I won't forget.
@CowboyJake
until people use it. I tried Redbox twice. The DVD's are in horrible condition.
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Haven't had any problems
dragosani 26th Jul
@tiderulz

I use Redbox often including this past weekend and haven't had any quality problem with their DVD's.
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No Problems
safesax2002 26th Jul
@tiderulz I haven't had any problems either. The only problem I've ever had is that the closest Redbox fills up and so I've either kept the movie another night and took back sooner in the evening or I've driven a couple extra miles and returned it to another one.
@tiderulz

I use Redbox every week for my movies and my kids movies. I have 'NEVER' had a single problem with any of the movies. You may want to consider upgrading you're dvd player to something better.
@tiderulz Strange, I could say the same for about half the netflix DVD's I get. Sometimes I have to send the disc back to them 2 or 3 times before I get one that doesnt look like someone took sandpaper to the DVD... and have to endure the wait for the mail.
@tiderulz I always have problems with Netflix DVDs and find I have to clean them before use.
@CowboyJake I've already cancelled my streaming service with Netflix, I'm not going to pay for subpar streaming options. I hope the 5.5 million people that said they were going to cancel actually do so, otherwise Netflix won't care (as they indicated).

I guess losing 2-2.5million customers is no big deal to them...
@CowboyJake I won't forget, that's for sure. Get a DJ DJ Agency
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Canceled
ser182 26th Jul
Yup pulled the plug on them. IT sad to see a CEO say that it will die down. that people are too stupied to look past at what they are doing. It was not hard to cancel either when you think of how crappy the streaming is. What titles do you have? I know use Dishnetwork for streaming movies when on the road from my DVR. As for DVD's i wait for them to be on demand. Not a big deal. They will slowly dig their own grave.
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On my way out
mbrauch@... 26th Jul
I was waiting until Aug 31 to cancel, thinking Netflix would wake up and change their mind on this outrageous price hike. Based on your article, their arrogance seems to be blinding them into believing they are invincible. They must be following RIM's mentality. Trust me, I for one will not forget.
They lost me, I didnt mind the 10 bucks they were taking from my bank account. But when they came up with their new pricing i discovered i wasnt using it that much and i would be better w/out them altogether. Netfilx, i wont be back i have discovered i dont need you.
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Just tried my first Redbox
Redhooker Updated - 26th Jul
I canceled the same day of the announcement since my Netflix plan date was a couple of days later (if you cancel it is immediate and any remaining days on your plan are not refunded). I was 1 DVD + streaming. Due to poor selection barely used the streaming eventhough it was convenient via the XBox.

Yesterday I rented my first DVD at Redbox at a store close to my work. Of course it wouldn't be available yet on Netflix since it came out last week. Worked fine for me and I was happy with the service.

The other thing is that they crossed the price point of $10 for the service. That is below HBO or Showtime services from the satellite and cable companies. The new pricing is above that and first run movies are available around the same time and the most services have on demand for the subscribed services.
What arrogance, they did have to add insult to injury!
I too was waiting to see if they were going to change their minds before September 1. Like they said, I have cooled off a bit, but I will still cancel my Netflix service before my August payment. We almost never use the streaming because there is never anything in their selections. Let's see them pay for their new Hollywood selections with a 60% decrease in subscriptions!
I am still confused on why Netflix still hasn't explained the reason behind the price hikes. A good worded letter from their CEO could easily have made Hollywood the bad guy and Netflix the poor company being bullied.

As for as streaming: I don't mind their streaming lineup as I like obscure and rare movies and TV shows. But Average Joe America is probably not interested. If 75% of their users switch to streaming, then my guess is about 1/3 will quit due to lack of choice and probably another 1/3 will switch back to DVD only.
They are entitled to charge what they like but if they want to stay in business they need a better library of online streaming content. As much as I hate to admit it, Itunes always has better movies availible for streaming, esepcially in new releases, no matter if you prefer blockbuster titles or quirky indepnedent flicks.
While I understand everyone's frustration, the new price scheme isn't a far cry from other venues. I play video game mmo's which cost 15 bucks a month, and my wife has Netflix (using the Wii) which is now 16 a month. While I could complain about the price increase, the price per hour that we use both of these services is about the same, they being each of our entertainment of choice, and the availability of them is also a factor. While we could go and use redbox, etc., but we decided that after driving every time we want to return and get a new disc, it was just better to suck it up and pay the subscription fee. A dollar a day via redbox x30 days = 30 bucks for a month instead of the 16, gas not included.
Most people I know who use Netflix only use the streaming service.
I agree, I won't forget either. I cancelled the DVD/Bluray portion immediately and will probably cancel streaming in the future. I was willing to pay the nominal amount but it's not worth the new price.
I'm currently a 1 disc + streaming customer (i.e. someone who paid for discs, got streaming free, and now am supposedly paying mostly for streaming and "only $2" for discs, but we won't beat that dead horse...)

Anyway, I'd have NO issue with all of this IF Netflix came-out and addressed what they're doing to increase the availability of the streaming library. Yes, I enjoy watching TV series (currently working SG-1 via streaming) and older stuff available on streaming.

However... When only EIGHT of the TOP 100 movies, as reported by Netflix themselves, are available on streaming, that is not acceptable. Even older movies, like Inception, were on streaming and then disappeared before I could watch it, and now is disc-only.

If they want to push the streaming, and that's understandable because it's higher profit, that's OK with me. Just make the streaming a viable option with more than 8% of the top 100 movies.

Reed Hastings should be addressing "OK, here's what we're doing to make this a value-add rather than a 'take away'" as mentioned in the article.
Thank you so much, Rachel, for explaining to us all why Netflix actually needs to raise their prices.

That idea my be a good strategy for Obama! and the national debt, but people are getting tired of that too.
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Sure it's only a few bucks...
macbigot 26th Jul
...BUT, they crossed the line where they used to be price-competitive with the products and services Netflix is competing with (at least, where my own family is concerned). As others have noted here, an upgrade to an existing dish or cable package comes within reach when you're talking about $16/month. I wish there were more players in this part of the market -- I may be re-visiting Hulu.com (which we had skipped over in the past because Hulu doesn't support our Wii). Although Netflix touts a lot of content at a low price, we've had trouble finding things we want to watch with our kids (10 and 13), as their titles seem to be too adult (or violent, creepy, or over-sexed) or too infantile for us to spend an hour on. Hulu's content may fill in some of the gaps where we lost access to some favorite shows from downgrading to the cheapest cable package (Warehouse 13?).
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Ever since I started streaming about a year ago I had the sneaking suspicion that their services were under priced to the point that Netflix could not grow their service offerings given the rate they were receiving for their streaming service. Apparently I was right. I dropped Blueray several months ago because I could not tell the difference between Blueray and standard wide-format DVDs, and I was occasionally having problems with some Blueray disks playing on my Blueray players (I tried two during the period when I had the extra service). I have a LG Blueray player and it does an outstanding job in up-converting both with DVD's and streaming. We're going to stick with Netflix. Outstanding service.
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They shot themselves in the foot with this one. Their service isn't worth what they're asking. They keep doing this despite the fact that the increase is not justified by the crappy content.
Netflix can kiss my a$$. I'm so sick and tired of greedy corporations pulling bait and switch tactics, jacking prices, calling their customers "noise" (eBay did this too) when the economy still is in a terrible state and people need every dollar they can hold on to. Well, go to hell Netflix. You were great, but I don't need you anymore.
prices going up when services stay the same.
and they will do something about it.
many years ago i dropped the service completely.
it just wasn't cost effective for me to get one dvd thru the mail every week.
but i see most people trading the mail service for the streaming service.
that's what my friends did.
i don't predict they will upgrade.
i myself still don't have the mail service but enjoy the streaming.
and the service has had problems lately that have been infuriating.
they wouldn't say what was wrong.
i found out recently that it's because they changed the API for the service.
if they continue such poor customer service, it will hurt them.
no doubt.

happy
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No such thing as a sure bet, Netflix
ReginaPhalange 26th Jul
Don't bet on anything, Netflix. I had been a Netflix subscriber BEFORE their first price hike several years back. I'd started with the trial sub, fulfilled my end of the bargain and a while after that, the subscription fee for my plan shot up. I didn't get emotional; I did cancel my subscription. For many moons after that I got emails from Netflix asking me to come back, with all manner of offer. Eventually, they brought their prices back down. However, I've never felt the need to sign back up. Between cable and the internet (you can even rent movies on youtube now, for cryin' out loud), plus the cheap DVD bin at walmart, there's plenty to watch. More than I've got time for, in fact. So...
I was getting ready to join up until I read the news.
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Netflix will probably fail
MSFTWorshipper 26th Jul
I like foreign films, old TV shows and obscure movies. I realize that I'm probably 10% of the Netflix user base. The rest of them simply want content that's within 3 years. They can just as easily go over to Redbox.
Netflix is betting that their customers are going to pay for streaming services over and above the dvd through the mail. If they have been saving on postage I am sure that will increase again. My streaming is always interupted. I do not pay for the fastest internet service. I won't just to pay more for streaming.

I am going to boycott all their services with others as this new business model of thinking everyone should keep absorbing added monthly costs is ridiculous. They are not the new "cable channel" at this price.
@lambtron__40

I agree with you. Netflix is still a pretty good deal at $16/month for both streaming and DVD, but it would have been nice to receive an e-mail explaining the reasons behind the increase. It would have been really nice for them to still offer a slight discount ($1 or $2/month) to subscribers who chose to stay with both services.

For now, I'm going to take the wait-and-see approach to see if the price increase translates into an increase in content. Unless the Netflix execs keep spouting off with their arrogant b.s.. If they do, then I will cancel my subscription and never look back, and hope that enough others do the same to get their attention and teach them a little humility.
I wonder what kind of golden parachute their CEO has when he eventually gets the Axe for his idiotic moves. Netflix used to be great, their streaming at the time was brilliant. Now when I log into my streaming account, Most of the movies I want are listed as "DVD Only" even if they aren't the newest or the best movies.

What I find I am left with for streaming options are pretty bland and sparse. I've gone out and looked at things like iTunes and Hulu and frankly, for the money and for what I want to watch, I can say that as of August 15th Netflix wont be getting my cash and will have yet another empty spot where a good deal of their customers used to be.
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The Great Netflix Breakup of 2011
ChrisHewitt 26th Jul
I think we all may be misinterpreting what has happened (including myself in that).

To @lambtron_40 I don't think the explanation is something that is publicly digestible/acceptable.

Here?s my take: Netflix didn't simply raise prices, it ?gracefully? broke-up with some of its [unprofitable] customers.

The communication of this price increase was so poorly executed (c?mon a totally sterile email without any real explanation/justification), leads me to believe that this is a purposeful act of guided consumer attrition. I agree with sullyjls@ that there may be a bit of arrogance here. Now, I may be missing the obvious but I believe the Netflix team is too talented to simply overlook the delivery of a such a critical communication. It was cold and calculated.

I think that the price increase still does not make all customers profitable (but the increase was all that could be reasonably applied at this point) and the company is okay with losing subscribers.

I wrote about this in a little more detail in this post:
http://chewitt.posterous.com/netflix-price-increases-angers-customers
Netflix is counting on one simple fact: people complain, then give in. Obviously, not everyone but for most people, they'll ***** about the cost increase and less service/DVD availability, then swallow hard and accept it because many of us Americans have become trained to do just that. In evidence are things like cable TV, satelite TV, cell phone carriers such as AT&T and Verizon, etc, etc, etc. We gripe about the increase in price and then ultimately accept it with a seething sense of burn. Of course, Netflix's biggest online rival, Blockbuster (I think) will definitely gain market share unless they follow in Netflix's footsteps.

I, myself, plan to drop to the DVD only level as I do not watch movies on my computer and I do not have streaming to TV capability. But, when enough movies that I want suddenly become "unavailable" or "instant watch" only, then I'll move on. And, more and more titles at Netflix are simply listed as "not available" including releases less than 3 years old that were big hits and available six months earlier. So, for me, at the moment, it's a price drop. Until...
I will see their bet and raise them the loss of loyalty. Currently I cut my plan down to bare minimum as I research alternatives. The streaming is pretty worthless with a very limited selection of movies, the removal of the ability to manage my DVD selections on my iPad or iPhone makes the streaming application doubly worthless. There are other vendors hungry for business with a good library of selections. My bet is Netflix is going to be regretting their decision, yes I know they had sound reasons with the entertainment industry clamoring for more, but people will flee to other options as Netflix has done little to promote any sort of brand loyalty. I expect they may be learning what it means to go from Boom to Bust the hard way.
Like many it seems, we cancelled our plan-- 2 DVD's and streaming the day the announcement was made. I too found out that I really don't need them at all and asked around the house and my son and wife both said the same. Maybe they'll change their minds when winter's cold rolls around and they want to rent a movie. We started with the three DVD plan in 2006. Another poster had it right on-- Netflix spent years catering to their customers, following up on satisfaction, checking speed of delivery, which all grew their brand. They just flushed a massive amount of that money right down the crapper.
"Just get over it"???
One thing becomes obvious - exactly how they feel about their customers. "Move here, cattle....move there, cattle....and be dropping dollars every step of the way!"

Betting on it, huh? For the luvagawd & sweet jeezis people....let's SO make the bastids wrong!! Go to Amazon or ANYwhere else - and let's turn this sanctimonious bunch of cretins into another BustBlocker....BANKRUPT!
I immediately canceled my streaming. They don't have a good selection of movies to be paying that much for streaming. I kept the DVD/Blu-ray by mail. At least you can get newer movies that way. But in the end they are getting less money from me. I think the hit on profits will be much bigger than they think.
So, everybody complains about the lack of selection and I, for one, don't blame you. BUT, it was everyone's "laziness" in the first place that took out the video store format (ie. Blockbuster, Movie Gallery, etc). YET, the video stores NEVER had problems of giving us customers the new movies THE DAY THEY COME OUT. So we consumers b*tched about the price to rent a movie at the video store and switched to streaming/DVD by mail. NOW, in the wake of almost all video stores being obsolete, you NOW complain over the lack of selection and the price. The wheel keeps spinning. I LOVE the video store format, they never have these problems. If your DVD is in crappy condition, they exchange it...WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT FOR THE MAIL. Some stores even reimburse you more for the inconvenience. They ARE customer service based. They CARE about their customers. Finally, and most importantly, they are not a voice on the phone or an e-mail, they are real people, who share opinions and love of movies. Let's see ANY streaming/DVD by mail service beat that. LONG LIVE THE VIDEO STORE!
I agree with others, this article really paints Netflix as an arrogant bunch of asses. I'm really reconsidering dropping it altogether since their streaming movies leave a lot to be desired. Most of their garbage can be found in dollar bins at the local Walmart or Big Lots!

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