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RSS: A good idea at the time but there are better ways now

By | August 25, 2009, 3:40pm PDT

Summary: The Google Reader team posted a blog entry today with some results of a survey it conducted. The team wanted to know what an elite group of “Power Readers” were reading online - presumably using their Google Reader account - and so they asked them and have highlighted some suggested reading on the site. It’s an [...]

The Google Reader team posted a blog entry today with some results of a survey it conducted. The team wanted to know what an elite group of “Power Readers” were reading online - presumably using their Google Reader account - and so they asked them and have highlighted some suggested reading on the site.

It’s an interesting little post for those who are interested in these power readers and what interests them - but what struck me was the attempt that company made to bring get people interested in Google Reader again.

Once a big advocate for Google Reader, I have to admit that I haven’t logged in in weeks, maybe months. That’s not to say I’m not reading. Sometimes I feel like reading - and writing this blog - are the only things I do. But my sources of for reading material are scattered across the Web, not in one aggregated spot.

I catch headlines on Yahoo News and Google News. I have a pretty extensive lineup of browser bookmarks to take me to sites that I scan throughout the day. Techmeme is always in one of my browser tabs so I can keep a pulse on what others in my industry are talking about. And then there are Twitter and Facebook. I actually pick up a lot of interesting reading material from people I’m following on Twitter and some friends on Facebook, with some of it becoming fodder for blog posts here.

The truth of the matter is that RSS readers are a Web 1.0 tool, an aggregator of news headlines that never really caught on with the mainstream the way Twitter and Facebook have. According to a Forrester Research study about the reach of social technologies, only nine percent of U.S. online adults said they use an RSS feed monthly, down from 11 percent the year before. By contrast, 50 percent are visiting social networking sites, up from 34 percent last year and 39 percent are reading blogs, up from 37 percent a year ago.

The official name for RSS was Really Simple Syndication but for the many people, including those I helped set up with an RSS reader, it never really was that simple. It wasn’t that it just needed to be populated with subscriptions to what you wanted to read, but then came the task of keeping it organized, otherwise your local headlines were mixed with last night’s baseball scores, which was alongside political news and off-color commentary.

It all became too much - especially when you log on and see that you have 1,000+ unread items. Sigh. Who has time to sift through all of that?

And so, Google is doing what it can to keep people interested in what they can do with Google Reader. I can’t speak for others, but I moved on a long time ago.

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donaldsjones 9th May
i haven???t been on that the silicon valley however i would actually love to visit that place. i bet that it's a very exciting place to visit,

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I find it hard to believe that RRS
davebarnes 25th Aug 2009
usage was ever as high as 9%.

I have a high-tech B2B client who had 1 person reading their RSS feed. But, within a week, had 15+ followers on Twitter.

Twitter is easier for me to push out info.
Twitter is easier for me to follow interesting topics.

I do disagree with John Dvorak that Twitter is CB radio of 2009.
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RSS is a tool
AstralisLux 26th Aug 2009
RSS is a great way to syndicate content.
Google Reader has a position but even when the
web was only 1.0, RSS feeds were never used
exclusively. Instead, an RSS reader is a
supplement to the other tools.

RSS excels in syndication. I have Twitter,
Facebook, and other sites connected to my RSS
feed to push information automatically from one
source.

RSS isn't dead. RSS readers aren't dead.
They're simply another tool in the content
toolbox as they've always been.
I like Google reader, but I am also a fan of TweetDeck and Facebook of course... one of the problems with Twitter is the follow up and the credibility. Also how many Tweeters can you really follow. I think there are two different purposes. I use Google Reader when I want to concentrate on sources that I find reliable and when I feel like expressing my opinion regardless of making sense or not I just Tweet.

-Teo
One of the problems is how many of those followers are real? In other words how many of those do really care about your topics? I have multiple Robots retweeting my tweets. At first I was flattered that Obama and Harvard University were following me on Twitter... later I found out that are just Robots collecting information...

Want the story scarier? Think about picture collectors... My two cents
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Perhaps Relevant...
gotamd@... 25th Aug 2009
I am reading this post now because it showed up on my RSS reader (FeedDemon). I think anyone who's serious about finding news and articles on their own is still very much interested in RSS. I'm also not sure of the dubious Web 1.0/Web 2.0 distinction. RSS seems like a very useful tool for anyone interested in bridging the gap between content creation, which is still a very "Web 1.0" activity, and content redistribution "Web 2.0". "Web 2.0" is very heavy on content distribution and light on content creation.
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You have to love surveys. 9% use RSS per your survey, but this survey:

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/survey_using_social_media_at_w.php

has blog reading at an almost identical level with Facebook et al.

What did we really survey? RSS usage? Or whether people know what RSS is even though they may use it?

If you're getting your news every which way but blogs, why blog here? Your readers evidently would do as you do, no?

Mark Twain was right: Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Cheers,

BW
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RSS still has its uses. I use the built-in rss reader in firefox. Add them to them to the bookmarks toolbar placed along the top and I can have easy access to just the headlines. If the story is interesting enough I click on it and go to the site. There might be better ways to get the headlines now but I won't use twitter to get them.
Sam - it's interesting that you have that particular
perspective when the site you write for doesn't aggregate
comments or feedback from offsite and has a long and slow
process just to allow people to post a comment....

It seems that your employer isn't so concerned about the
aggregative model???
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RE: RSS: A good idea at the time but there are better ways now
pcavalcanti2009 Updated - 25th Aug 2009
To say it isn't simple makes no sense - it's as simple as clicking on an orange icon on the adress bar(if you have an application assigned to it).

"came the task of keeping it organized, otherwise your local headlines were mixed "

Seriously? what rss software are you using? I use the very simple built in rss reader in the Opera browser and never had that problem. The panel on the left lets me choose from which site i want to see the headlines, and read the whole article, watch videos and everything else as long as it's embeded in it.

Most of the time i don't even have to leave the rss reader - i can't imagine visiting 20 + sites just to check what's new and find something i'm interested about.











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RSS vs. Applications
Richard B 25th Aug 2009
The error of your article is confusing RSS standard with applications (or reader) that use RSS. The beauty of RSS is RSS is theoretically independent of the application. For example, I use IE, Firefox or one I developed myself. The problem is some who create feed do not follow the RSS standard or use non standard tags or items.
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Twitter is the new RSS feed. (E.g. CCNbrk). With the option for personal feed.
I've got to disagree with the original poster on pretty much every point. I love RSS. It's trivial to use, and I won't use a site that doesn't have it. I say this even though I use one of the least functional RSS readers, the IE Feed Reader. RSS lets you rapidly cut through the crap, and isn't a trendy toy like Twitter or a privacy-violator like Facebook. In fact, it's the sole reason I even found this article to read it. Most importantly, any website can have an RSS feed, because it's a protocol, not a product. RSS is here to stay.
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I couldn't disagree more with almost every point made in the article. Having said that, it might be useful to have an RSS reader that can also fetch data (seamlessly) from Facebook, Twitter, etc.
I read this article because I spotted it in my RSS reader. Mostly everything I post on Twitter originated from a source I found in RSS.

Using Twitter in place of RSS doesn't even compute with me. I certainly do find some interesting things in my Twitter stream, but just as often I am reading about someone's puppy or what they ate for dinner. It would be easy to say that I should simply change who I follow to get more relevant "news" but this, for me at least, defeats the social purposes of Twitter. Facebook doesn't even belong in the discussion in my opinion.

RSS is not, in my opinion difficult. If people can figure out how to set up and use their Twitter account they should be able to use RSS. If they use something like Feedly they can have more of a magazine/Twitter like experience even.

I find RSS an invaluable tool and could not ever see giving it up.
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Totally agreed
Prognosticator 26th Aug 2009
The article proposes a better way but it sure isn't tweets and fb.

Sure, there is so much out there but what you choose is under ones control. Similarly, you don't have to subscribe to 50 magazines and then complain you don't have time to read them.

I periodically "tune" my RSS subscriptions to reflect what interests me most and keep it manageable.
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True...
awessendorf 26th Aug 2009
True. I have heard others complain of having "1000 articles to wade through" but I personally don't use RSS this way. I quickly would become overwhelmed if I did I am sure. I scan and click on things that interest me and feel no pressure to read everything that comes in. Also, like Prognosticator I regularly hone my RSS dropping sources I find that I am not getting good information from and adding new.
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RSS useful and easy, here to stay.
over2sd 26th Aug 2009
I use RSS mainly for following Web comics, but I also have some other feeds, like security bulletins for my OS distro and CraigsList postings in certain areas.
I cannot fathom the article author's difficulty in keeping feeds organized. In Akregator, I just make folders and put the feeds in the appropriate folders. I can view feeds on any folder level, from individual feeds to all feeds in one stream. I suppose, if you're reading feeds from a Web site, it might be less user friendly, but that seems like a waste of bandwidth, to me, loading the Web site's layout every time you want to look at the feeds...
RSS is here to stay. Like everything else, it's not a panacea to fill all your information needs, but it does a great job of conserving bandwidth and getting most of my content feeds in one place. If these sites stopped offering RSS, I'd stop reading about half of them, because I don't have time to visit each site and see if there's new content.
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Not necessarily the issue...
chris.gray@... 26th Aug 2009
I don't understand what bandwidth conservation has to do with anything in today's world, unless we're talking about mobile devices such as blackberries. I personally use RSS, but in a very different way than apparently most of the people here do. I have RSS feeds from my favorite, daily news sites on my first iGoogle page, and have several tech magazine feeds on a separate iGoogle page. This keeps them organized, and I have access to exactly what I want to see no matter where I am, be it mobile or at home or at work. I don't have to set up several RSS readers, and never really liked them anyway to be honest. But having them on my iGoogle, Google does it's job in deleting old ones, and only displaying however many of the new posts I tell it to. So, IMHO, RSS still serves a great purpose, but it's all in how you manage the feeds. You have to make it fit your lifestyle.
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And people who are on personal ISP connections might get bumped to a more expensive level if they aren't careful, but more than that, RSS saves bandwidth for the server, which is a bigger issue.
It also saves time. I can check a hundred RSS feeds in a few seconds, while visiting a hundred sites would take at least 100 seconds.
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Better way is to get news from twitter, fb?
Prognosticator 26th Aug 2009
Don't think so. If I wanted to get random news it seems most efficient to RSS the top news of the day than to scan through tweets and fb links.

I have not seen a better way to easily and categorically obtain information than RSS.
I find my.yahoo a perfect tool for RSS and is still
far more useful to me than twitter and facebook.

I can see what I want, where I want and I never have
the 500 unread messages problem.

I think igoogle is pretty close in what is offered in
my.yahoo, but I was using my.yahoo before igoogle came
along and I've not seen anything that would make me
move.

But whichever one you use, by giving each feed an
individual pane, which can be individually configured,
and allow you to set up columns and pages that you can
sort them into, means you the page you're interested,
be it Tech News, Current Events, Security, and can
then skim the headlines of the day and pick out items
of interest.

Techmeme is good, but you're allowing someone else's
editorial decisions to dictate what you see.
i'm using google reader and i have to admit that i get 1k feeds after 48hours(some irrelevant but if i got bbc news feed its understandable). Still I get every article from credible sources and i dont have to visit specific pages (it'd took ages), i dont use tweetdeck i havent found them that useful (read too brief tweet and then hit link). there is promising site http://popurls.com/ which aggregate different news on one page and u can customize content. You didnt show Sam any reasonable alternative, so for now RSS stays.
I think the movers and shakers use aota - all of the
above and that a solution for keeping up with multiple
blogs and social media has not been found. Many concepts
will tarnish along the way as the web evolves. I do think
the google reader still has a chance - I use it more than
ever now to keep up with over 1000 blogs in many
industries - the folder organization is key - and when I
find a new blog, I love that I can scan the titles of all
posts and only read what I want.
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Web 2.0 was built on RSS
raydaly 26th Aug 2009
To say RSS is Web 1.0 is inaccurate. The aggregation of feeds and the blogs with comments was the start of 2.0.

And blogs are still the core of social media. Look at all the links in Twitter that point to blogs.

So don't count RSS out yet. It is still the foundation of a lot that is going on.
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JoseCtesArg 30th Aug 2009
Exactly what I was thinking... RSS went mainstream in the 2.0 era
I tweet a bit at home and do some facebook but most of those tools are blocked at work. Google Reader is invaluable to me in my technology research role. I am one of the few at my company that has access to Facebook and Twitter at work but I find RSS more valuable. If I can get the feed into Reader, I'll always choose that over Twitter because it is easier for me to process hundreds of articles and work with the ones that are most interesting. I'm able to access Reader at any computer, sync with the Byline app on my iPod Touch, and even share or tag items I find at work that I want to add to my personal blogs or tweets later at home.
I tried to follow the comments about RSS but having to click for each one is so web 1.0!

A lot of the PC mag-industry sites are like this.

Why is it?
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How do I read less
alanjstr 26th Aug 2009
The author mentions keeping a tab open for Techmeme. How is that different than just subscribing to the RSS feed like I do. I currently subscribe to 80+ feeds and scan through 900+ headlines each weekday. That doesn't include the AP (which I read via My Yahoo) or Google News. Of course I'd prefer to scan through fewer headlines, especially since there's a lot of duplication. It will take manual work to figure out which feeds aren't posting anything unique.
RSS is alive and kicking! I think my Google Reader Subscriptions, read through Feedly on Firefox are my main source of information. I complement that with following the same sources on Twitter and using TweetDeck to follow trends, but RSS is still the core of my day. Long Live RSS!
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RSS ticker is the way to go
_crystalsinger_ Updated - 26th Aug 2009
I use RSS daily - but in ticker form:

* News headlines from various sources (Google News
search results as RSS feed, some topic-specific sites)
* RSS feed of search results on Twitter to alert me to
people talking about stuff in which I'm interested
* RSS feeds of friends' status updates from Facebook

I never have gotten into the hang of using an RSS
reader app/site, but using a ticker to deliver an
ambient stream of stuff to my desktop that I can click-
through to if it grabs my interest? ~That's~ what RSS is
all about, IMHO.
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RSS remains the best way to follow the blogs I'm interested in (by Ticker, of course). The idea is to be selective and to eliminate blogs from your RSS feed when they're no longer interesting. I find A few tech blogs a lot better for tech news (together with ZDNet et al) than most of the tweets.
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It's all a matter of organization
veit@... 26th Aug 2009
I work through around 3000 messages a day in less than 15 minutes. How? By using "watches" in NetNewsWire and FeedDemon. I dump all the articles into one DUMP folder, then use defined search queries that automatically store their results in different folders. Thus, I read/browse maybe 80 of these 3000 articles every day. I've used this system for years and it's worked like a charm! Show me how you can do that in Twitter or Facebook...
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RSS is dead? Again?
faseidl 26th Aug 2009
Sometimes, I think it's more about making attention-grabbing headlines than about making sense; I wrote about that here:
http://faseidl.com/public/item/238401
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Location Makes a Difference
samnicole Updated - 26th Aug 2009
At least for me. I do not use Google Reader that often. But I use Thunderbird to read my favorite news sources and blogs everyday. I guess not having to fire up the browser and log in makes a huge difference.
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Indeed! (n/t)
over2sd 26th Aug 2009
Now Timely
You say "A good idea at the time but there are better ways
now".

And yet you propose zero 'better' alternatives to use today
for the person who wants to follow news from a variety of
sources. All you do is talk about your 'pretty extensive
lineup of browser bookmarks' and watching your Twitter
feed. Really?!

Also, RSS/Atom feeds are growing realtime pubsub update
capability (i.e. instant notification to subscribers) with
PubSubHubbub. See : http://bit.ly/SREzM

And what of this keeping it 'organized' you say you have to
do in Google Reader? I have hundreds of feeds that I track,
and not a minute of daily organizing. You realize of course
you can look at just a sub-set of the feeds you want to
track at any one time right? When I subscribe to a feed I
simply add a label to it like 'news-tech' or 'news-world'.
Makes it easy to filter down to read content by topic area.

I can't imagine someone who depends on keeping track of
the news on the web for their profession using bookmarks
and relying on techmeme, twitter and facebook as their
sole real time source material.

So, RSS readers are Web1.0 but bookmarks aren't? And what is so hard about Google Reader? I use it daily and receive 300 posts every 12 hours or so & it never takes me more than 20 minutes to decide which ones to read and not to read. Further, how is Facebook a good alternative? Not only are there major privacy issues with Facebook, it doesn't work well for sifting through large amounts of information.

Sorry, but your article makes lots of unsubstantiated claims and lacks real proof or alternatives.
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Dailyrotation has link to all the tech news I need and they do all the work for me.

I just set what I want to be tracked and when I go ther it is listed.
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Reader Fan
dickdavies 26th Aug 2009
I have about 50 carefully pruned feeds from some really bright bloggers (including xkcd). I use twitter and linkedin for amateur input, but really glory in the list I've honed to replace newspapers and news TV.

I get the ZDNet email daily, but RSS Dana Blankenhorn to make sure I get all of his open source writing.

Started Reader after reading Gladwell about Dunbar's number and deciding to improve the quality of my village.
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You have actually recessed in technology. Having a list of favorites and going to websites to see their updates was the norm 10 years ago. Get with the program, guy!
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Google Reader is still home base for me even though I try/use other social media. I do have to weed old feeds and have to manage my content-to-time ratio (Reader continues to add features to help me with this).
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Twitter IS an RSS reader
rworkman 27th Aug 2009
Twitter is essentially just an RSS aggregation service with a
few tools and interfaces built on top of it. I think RSS is just
getting started. It's just taken a while for people to start
figuring out ways to make it compelling.
Whether we like it or not, a user "touches" RSS within 5 mins of surfing somewhere, somehow,- but they don't even know it- and that's the best part of the technology.
The reason why some people are "leaving RSS" is because it's time consuming to manage RSS feeds via a personal reader, so the solution is to pick a smart aggregator that covers your topic, and do the rest via Twitter; but these workaround don't mean that RSS is not being used. It's being used indirectly, perhaps not directly.
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It's All In The Way Feeds Are Organized
RuelRules 30th Aug 2009
I ignored my Google Reader for months because I had 1000+
unread articles in like 12 folders labeled by category (News,
Politics, Entertainment, Tech, etc.). Recently I came back and re-
organized everything so that I only have 4 folders: Morning,
Evening, Weekend, and Whenever. By prioritizing only 6 or 7 feeds,
and leaving the rest for later, I've taken the pressure off of reading
all the contents.

RSS is still one of the best ways of compiling and processing news
and information. But I think we as readers just have to find better,
more efficient ways of processing the input.
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RSS is FAR from dead
steve@... Updated - 31st Aug 2009
You're a fool for thinking this - RSS is the way I keep track of news and have done so for years. My fianc?e (now wife) started using it and hasn't looked back.

Certainly find it more useful than twitter
this was just to get traffic, wasn't it?
Sounds like visiting all your different sites could be saved by using Reader with RSS. You can turn off counts. You are missing the point of RSS by writing this article.
"I have a pretty extensive lineup of browser bookmarks to take me to sites that I scan throughout the day. "

This is exactly why I use RSS feeds, to avoid wasting time by doing the above. In fact I have to say that if a site doesn't have an rss feed, I usually ignore it because I can't be bothered to keep checking it for updates.
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This is laughable.
bienvenunet@... 3rd Sep 2009
I used Bloglines, which I also use to follow Twitter searches, to access this article.

In order to post this message, I had to create an unwanted user account on ZDNet. Upon completing my registration, during which I specifically unchecked all of the subscription boxes, I was informed that the service has subscribed me to two newsletters (which will be marked as spam as they are received).

And you have the nerve to tell us that RSS "was a good idea but there are batter ways now"??!? Now I know not to take anything reported by ZDNet seriously.

As someone else mentioned, RSS is a tool, and a darn good one for managing the stream of incoming content. Through Bloglines I can quickly scan a list of headlines and get an idea of what is going on, and click on a headline to get more information if I am so interested. I can use Bloglines to keep track of new and interesting tweets, which I cannot do on Twitter itself. It's hardly a dead or complicated technology.
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RSS Past it's time?
richardmitnick 3rd Sep 2009
Boy, do I wish I was near the top on this one.

At #50, I will probably not be read.

I have I eight MyYahoo subscriptions, each with 20-30 feeds: general news, technology, Public Distributed Computing, Classical Music and Public radio, Jazz, my company, The Wall Street Journal. I set most feeds to either three days or five days. MOst are set for headline and short paragraph.I do not feel compelled to check each subscription daily.

I absolutely could not be as efficiently informed as I am with RSS. I had gotten a lot of newsletters. They are all abandoned in favor of RSS.
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been on that
donaldsjones 9th May
i haven???t been on that the silicon valley however i would actually love to visit that place. i bet that it's a very exciting place to visit,

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