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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Ultrabooks: Four things that will make or break the category

By | January 4, 2012, 2:13am PST

Summary: If ultrabooks are going to be a huge success they will need to inspire a corporate and consumer upgrade cycle.

A week from now you may never want to hear the word “ultrabook” again. The Consumer Electronics Show will bring non-stop ultrabook chatter to the fore. And if that’s not enough CeBit is likely to be ultrabook heavy too.

You know the ultrabook story by now. Intel has hatched a plan to reinvent the PC with thin, responsive, power sipping laptops. Think the MacBook Air for the Windows crowd. The reviews have been solid and ultrabooks have a lot going for them—notably a thickness of 0.8 inches and some features found in tablets.

What’s unclear is how fast this ultrabook transition will occur. For instance, IHS iSuppli reckons that 43 percent of notebook shipments will be ultrabooks in 2015. In 2012, about 13 percent of notebooks will be ultrabooks. Some analysts have noted that the ultrabook could be a big chunk of shipments by the end of the year. Sterne Agee analyst Vijay Rakesh said in a research note.

Intel is making a big push with ultrabooks and working with multiple supply chain partners and Intel Capital to lower platform costs from the current ~$1000+ ASPs to a more palatable ~$800 – with CES-Computex-CeBit as launch venues. We should note prior endeavors such as the CULV and netbook platforms have been successful and so we would not be betting against it. Nonetheless, we believe the 40% ultrabook penetration for C2012 might be too high.

Also see: CNET’s CES 2012 coverage

In other words, a lot of folks are clinging to this stat that 40 percent of notebooks will be ultrabooks. What will it take to get there? Here are five items that need to line up for ultrabooks to be a crazy success.

Price. Intel has 60 design wins for next-gen ultrabooks in the queue. That’s a good thing given that competition will be needed to lower ultrabook prices. CNET’s Brooke Crothers said:

Price may be the single most important metric for ultrabooks. Toshiba has been leading the way this year, going as low as $699 on its Portege Z835. Expect more of this in 2012. HP, for example, doesn’t shy away from price competition. Its Folio 13 offers a lot for $899, including a Core i5 processor, a 128GB solid-state drive, USB 3.0, and great battery life.

Is $699 the magic price? Probably not. Perhaps $500 is the benchmark. Tablets and laptops are increasingly looking like competitors not complements. The sooner prices fall, the faster consumers will gobble up ultrabooks.

Windows 8 needs to be huge. The big driver for ultrabook sales will be Windows 8, a Microsoft release designed to meld the PC and tablet experiences. Ultrabooks with touchscreens and hybrids could appeal to the masses. But first, Windows 8 needs to capture corporate and consumer imaginations. The challenge is going to be the new Metro interface, which is snazzy but a total sea change.

Ultrabooks have to inspire consumer and corporate upgrades
. Will ultrabooks be so snazzy that corporations will hand them out like candy? Probably not at first given that enterprises are still upgrading to Windows 7. On the consumer front, it’s also unclear whether ultrabooks can thwart tablet momentum.

The MacBook. No matter how much you love ultrabooks, Apple created the category. Price will matter for ultrabook success largely due to Apple prices. At $800, many folks will go MacBook Air over the ultrabook assuming they can handle an 11-inch screen (I can’t) starting at $999. At $1,299 for a 13-inch MacBook Air, an ultrabook at half that price is very appealing. The challenge for ultrabooks is that the PC industry is going where Apple has been—not where it’s going. Apple could cut prices, cook up new designs and offer more screen variety to fend off ultrabooks.

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Apple sells hardware and cannot afford to cut prices ...
mwagner@... 4th May
... and that's the opening that the Windows OEMs need to leverage. At Apple price-points, the consumer will buy from Apple - if for no other reason that their products are, by any measure, "sexy". The enterprise buys on price/performance - and Apple loses out (except where BYOD is the rule, not the exception).

Sell a 14" to 15" Windows 8 Ultrabook at $699 though (compared to 13" MacBook Air at $1299 to $1599) and watch out! Windows OEMs can live with razor thin margins but Apple cannot.

Whether Microsoft and its OEMs take advantage of this is another story entirely nut this is the key to ultrabook adoption. Similarly, Windows RT tablets at $350 and up would have a staggering effect on iPad sales.
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Will users choose Cedar Trail Netbooks over Ultras?
Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate 4th Jan
And will that put price pressure on the Ultra?
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate -
Again with the "WTF?"
Wouldn't it be nice if you explained WHAT a "Cedar Trail Netbook" is.
I'm sure I can Google it, but... seriously? Give a 'clue' when you post something please. Thanks. (I did say "please.")
@digidash I'm planning on purchasing an Ultrabook. But I'm waiting on Windows 8. Does anyone else see a relationship problem with the release of new operating systems and hardware sales?
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate Doubt it, there is a huge performance difference. We are talking i5s and i7s coupled with technologies that power everything down when idle vs Cedar Trail.
"The challenge for ultrabooks is that the PC industry is going where Apple has been???not where it???s going. Apple could cut prices, cook up new designs and offer more screen variety to fend off ultrabooks."

A decade back shaving sytems had only one blade on it, now most comes with 5 blades... Apple may be bringing something like that... Five 1mm displays that can be pulled up... Mac books will probably be relegated to 1% of market share by 2015.
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Highly unlikely
rbethell 4th Jan
@owlnet Macbook share has only been growing. Apple now almost totally owns the high end laptop market.
@rbethell if you by high end you mean overpriced, then yes you are correct. I just bought a a $1k laptop. I would need to spend at least $2k to get a similar Apple product.
@rbethell Please cite your source for these numbers. I am interested in reading more about it. Myself, I switched from an HP laptop to a Macbook Pro last February and am very pleased with it. Later this year I plan on upgrading my PC at home, but will be going with a Mac Pro instead of a new PC.
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Ya, lets get real here.
Cayble 4th Jan
@rbethell

If your talking about laptops that cost huge, and in Apples case undeservedly so, yes, Apple dominates simply due to the fact that all of their competition finds they can mass produce notebooks just as powerful for less money.

I have said it a million times; if you really need an Apple computer, or simply just really like them for any rational reason and can afford one, go ahead and get one because they make nice hardware and every Mac owner I know seems quite happy with their Mac. On the other hand don't try and justify the purchase of a Mac any flavor by trying to justify its cost or based on claims that Windows is somehow too problematic for daily use.

The facts of life are the facts of life, Macs are costly and Windows has been powering the computerized world for years without significant issues, so make your purchases with those simple plain realities in mind.
@readydave1: Here's a comparison for you. Last year, I had to buy a Mac in order to work on some iPad app code. Since writing code on a small screen is less than optimal, I decided on a 15" or 17" MacBook Pro. Since the price differential between the two is $500, I bit the bullet and bought the 17" MBP (Core i7, 4GB RAM, 500GB 5400rpm HDD). It cost me $3200 inc tax.

In comparison, I could have bought a Dell Vostro 3750 (Core i7, 4GB RAM, 500GB 7200rpm HDD) for about $1200 inc tax and shipping. In fact, for the money I paid for the MBP, I could have bought two comparable Dell laptops. With enough cash left over for another cheaper laptop or a new printer or a copy of Photoshop, or ...

Would the Dell have been as "pretty" as the MBP? No, probably not, but at least I'd have the full complement of keys on the keyboard (no delete, page-up/down keys, damn you Apple) and better, more up to date driver support than Apple provides.

Make no mistake - Apple charges a sizeable premium for its products. How else do you think they report multi-tens-of-billion dollar profits from 40% gross margins on hardware sales while the rest of the PC industry skims by on 4-8% margins?
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Diou! Wrong!
EricDeBerg 4th Jan
@rbethell : So as high end laptop are buy by the higher mid range classes of peoples and we see that the fosset between classes are getting bigger... the poor range classe is increasing to the detriment of the mid range classe... Mac book will not grow... It will decrease at the advantage of the less expensive laptops, Windows laptops, which, in any case gives a much better experience to the user any way so...
@readydave1 : As of January 4, 16:33 EST, Six of the top 10 best-selling computers on Amazon are Apples. http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/565108/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_pc_1_2_last

All market studies show Apple's share of the desktop market increasing over the past decade, driven perhaps by iOS sales, but once Apple gets a foot in the door with an iOS device, it's that much easier to make an OS X sale. For 2011 stats, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
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Why so many nerds buy MacBooks
warboat Updated - 4th Jan
@rbethell
The only reason many nerds buy Macbook Pros is because they need it to develop iOS & OSX apps. If they didn't need a Macbook Pro, they would have done better blowing that money on an Alienware laptop that blows the doors off any Macbook at the same pricepoint.
Please realise that a lot of people use a Mac, not because we choose to, but because we HAVE to. If there was an iOS development kit for Windows, there would have been a lot less developers with a glowing apple logo on the back of their screens.
@bitcrazed I call BS on what you claim you paid for your MBP. I bought an identically equipped 15" in June and even with additional items purchased that day it was FAR less than the $3,200 you claim. I wouldn't be surprised if you spent that much with Apple that day but don't lie and claim that was the cost of the MBP with the specs you stated.

@warboat Sure, there might be fewer geeks with Macs if there was a Windowdevelopmentnt platform but who cares and what difference would it really make since that is such a tiny percentage of the market it's not even worth mentioning. I know it pains you to the core but Mac's market share is growing and no matter what a none Mac user thinks if the actual users are happy with their purchase then in reality they are not over priced otherwise the user wouldn't be happy with the purchase.
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Mikael_z 4th Jan
@owlnet
While the Wintel industry is going after market share with razor thin margin for profit, Apple is laughing all the way to the bank. Who cares about market share when there's not much money in it, and for us techno geeks, when quality stinks in these "ultrabooks"?
We all know that Apple's competitors are all keeping an eye on them.
What was it Microsoft used to call Apple? Research south?
It's making me sad that so few have the brains to do like Apple, powerfully push the evolution of technology forward. sad
@Mikael_z
Exactly. I always am amazed that more people don't figure this out.

Apple MAKES MONEY. Most OEMs don't. That's why they're doing so well. They build high quality products, stand behind them and sell them for a profit. Dell, HP and Gateway introduced the cheapo-PC, and consumers assumed that that was how computers should be. Consumers assume that it's normal to buy cheap plastic pieces of crap that break within two years ... they've done it with laptops, desktops, music players and phones for decades now. Part of what I admire about Apple (I won't say 'love', since I'm quite turned off by a lot of Apple aspects as well) is that SJ was unwilling to cheapen his own product with discounts, flash-sales and multiple models. Apple makes a few very great products, supports them for many years, and prices them accordingly.

BTW, this is also why the Thinkpad is so great. The Thinkpad has evolved slowly over its lifetime (from IBM to LN). It's not the trendiest or most attractive computer, but boy, Thinkpads LAST. And they work.
@lapland_lapi
Don't let apple fool you. they're using the same components everyone else is. Dell laptops and Apple laptops are all made by Foxconn.
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Of course you don't get it. Clearly.
Cayble Updated - 4th Jan
@lapland_lapin

You say:
"Exactly. I always am amazed that more people don't figure this out.
Apple MAKES MONEY. Most OEMs don't"

This is a truly bizarre comeback.

Your comment clearly implies that for the majority of consumers its somehow of some importance to them how a company makes its money. As in, "Apple makes more profit per unit but sells only a small fraction of the units OEM's sell and thats better then the OEM's method of selling way more units at razor thin profit margins because their prices are lower". Sorry, but the pubic largely will like the narrow profit margine idea much better given it means significantly lower prices.

Your commentary about plastic pieces of crap only carries so far. I work at a business where numerous laptops are in use, both Apple and Windows based and there are quite a number of Windows laptops in use well over 2 years old. Most laptops of any make that I see replaced are almost always replaced due to the hardware just getting to old, not because some "cheap plastic part" broke.

Reality is that if someone is going to rely on their laptop still being in good shape and reasonably up to performance standards for, lets say 5 years for example, its going to still be a tough sell for Apple laptops, even if you simply flat out believe with the strongest of convictions that they routinely outlast Windows laptops.

For example, you can get a Samsung 17.3" with a 2.0 i7 quad, 8 gig of ram and a 1.5 TBHD and graphics with 2GB of dedicated memory for $999.00. This compares quite favorably hardware wise to the 15" Macbook Pro with a 2.2 i7 with a 500GB HD, 4GB of memory and graphics with 500MB of dedicated memory priced at $1849.00. The only place the Macbook beats the Samsung is by a slight margin on the CPU, other then that there is nothing particularly inspiring about the Macbook hardware. The problem is, if you need to replace the Samsung in three years you could easily do it, getting what would probably be an even better machine for less money in three years, with minimal work you could no doubt come in at a price for the new one that would still bring the combined total for the two Windows based laptops still slightly under the $1849 price tag for the one single Mac. And of course in year three, the Windows user has themselves a nice brand new snappy laptop likely much much better then the Mac purchaser who is going to continue to ride it out for another couple years to prove how great it is that you can make a Mac last longer then a Windows based laptop.

Again, if you really like Macs for any good reason, or maybe you actually need a Mac as opposed to a Windows machine, if you can afford it, get it because everyone I know that uses one really likes them. But don't ever try and justify the purchase based on some kind of cost analysis that somehow works in Apples favor. The math just isn't there. It requires far too much wishful thinking to make that kind of justification.
@curtis@... Regarding Apple uses the same components as other PC OEMs.

Well, Apple doesn't use the same trackpads. (See James Kendrick's recent articles on the subject.)

Apple doesn't use the same battery technology. (Although a difference which makes no difference IS no difference. By that I mean, that might not matter in a comparison between an Apple Battery subsystem vs a PC battery subsystem if the two give equal charge durations and have the same service life. Although, I tend to think Apple's new battery tech might last longer and perform better overtime than a comparable PC system. But again, I have no experience to support that claim.)

Most PC laptops are not constructed using a aluminum unibody case. Apple unibody laptops are noted for their lightweight and case rigidity.

But do they use the same processors? Yeah. The same RAM? Yeah. Although Apple does tend to use more SSD Flash based memory than a PC laptop does, on average.
@@ Cayble... Seriously dude? I am using an early 2008 black macbook that still can perform with most new high end Windows computers. My black macbook is 2.0 with 2gb ram. Oh and the best part is when new it was $999. I bought it in 2010 for 630 on ebay and today I can still get 400 on ebay? so lets see who is loosing more money here? Me running the newest apple operating system on a 4 year laptop or you replacing your PC every two years because it cannot suppor the newest version of ram hogging windows.
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Lifespan - Mac
ManoaHI 4th Jan
@@ Cayble

My Mac PowerBook is now 8 years old (2004) and although it dead ended at OS X (10.5 - Leopard) I still get updates and it still works fine. My current MacBook Pro is now 4 years old. So how is it a "tough sell for Apple?" I'm not saying that Apple lasts longer than Windows laptops, I just think that your post would have been stronger without that paragraph. The rest of it is good.
Yeah, @owlnet, just like what happened with the iPod and the iPad, the cheap stuff came in a drive Apple right out of the market. Do you have any equally prescient ideas on stocks?
@owlnet "A decade back shaving sytems had only one blade on it, now most comes with 5 blades... Apple may be bringing something like that... Five 1mm displays that can be pulled up... Mac books will probably be relegated to 1% of market share by 2015."

Oh dear, how wrong can anyone be? I was using a Gillette Trac II in 1971, FOUR DECADES ago - THREE DECADES before you noticed single bladed razors being superseded!

So let's look at your assessment of Larry Dignan's insightful comment. No, let's not bother. You clearly haven't got a clue - because your attention to basic detail is sadly lacking.

The reality is that Apple's market share, even though an utter irrelevance, will clearly continue to grow, as will their profits - which is of course is the important detail.
@owlnet
And yet single blade shaving systems still outperform the "modern" five-blade systems at 1/100th the cost. Or was that where you were going with the analogy?
Microsoft can't do ARM ... so WinTel tries to "out class" ARM by using the word ULTRA?
Too laughable. It sounds like a laudry soap gimmick ... Look, it's new netbook ULTRA with WINDOWS!
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You, um, do realize that....
rbethell 4th Jan
@BrentRBrian You, um, do realize that.... Windows 8, in fact, will be on ARM? Windows NT is totally abstracted from its hardware, and can be fairly easily ported to any chipset. People quickly forget that the original Windows NT ran on three different types of processors!!
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@rbethell
Is every Windows 8 application going to ship on both x86 and ARM too? Not forgetting device drivers either, of course. Or could ARM end up being a "second class citizen"?

There might be a reason that WinNT stopped running on three different types of processors after all.
@Zogg: The reason MS dropped support for Windows on MIPS, Alpha and PowerPC is that nobody was buying these machines - they were way too expensive and, especially in the case of the Alpha, ran WAYYYY too hot (the 1st-gen Alpha emitted the same heat per sq. cm. as an electric fire's elements!).

@rbethell: While NT *was* largely abstracted from CPU architecture, XP muddied the architecture a little due to explosive increase in the number of features added after MS dropped multi-CPU-architecture support. Also, NT was somewhat wedded to the PC architecture (interrupts, DMA, memory management, caching, etc.) that is practically nonexistent in the ARM world.

Thus, to get Windows running well on ARM, MS has had to do some significant re-factoring of the entire OS, from the bootloader (to support UEFI), through the HAL (to support non-PC architectures), through the kernel and the OS, cleaning up machine-architecture and CPU-architecture dependencies, removing unncessessary interdependencies between Windows modules and subsystems on the way.

This is a major piece of work, especially whilst trying to avoid breaking existing apps and systems.

The results can be seen in Windows 8 which boots in under 10 seconds, runs like greased lightning, uses less memory than Win7, offers MUCH improved IO & networking facilities and ... yes ... runs on ARM happy
@bitcrazed
You have completely avoided the point of my reply: people won't buy ARM Windows 8 machines if their software is only available on x86, now matter how much marketing material you reproduce here.
The main factor is going to be price. $599 is going to be the magic number, maybe $699 if its really nice. You don't have to worry about Microsoft Windows 8 as it is going to be huge and everyone knows that so that is not a factor. Corporate and users is a different story. I don't know of a single person that owns a MacBook Air. In fact the only people that I heard were purchasing them were pretty much just the ZDNet bloggers.
@Loverock Davidson- I would hardly consider a fry cook, at a fast food joint, part of corporate America. When you aspire to say Would you like fries with that? A MacBook anything it out of reach. But look on the bright side Walmart has your next computer all ready, and waiting for you wink
@Rick_Kl
Is there something wrong with serving the public? Is there something wrong with getting deals and discounts at Walmart to save money? Your reasoning is flawed.

Everyone listen up, serving the public is now looked down upon because Rick_Kl says so. So the next time your going through the drive though, see a cop on the street, or a firefighter helping victims, just remember people like Rick_Kl.
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@Loverock Davidson- i is not wrong to serve the public, but it is wrong to expect everyone to cater to your viewpoint! I personally know a few kids that want MacBook Airs. I???d buy the one each, but that does not teach the children the value of hard work.

I had to save up for three months to buy my first Mac. This came as a shock the first time, as I was used to just walking in and buying any computer I chose. But it taught me a valuable lesson: if you really want something you will work hard to get it! If you expect everyone to hand you everything, you are not worth your own weight is toilet paper??? wink
@Loverock Davidson
You've disconnected your argument. You said "Corporate America", @Rick_Kl is just pointing that out. @Rick_Kl also didn't mention one thing about public service. He said fry cook, sorry but that is not public service, nor is it Corporate America (in other words his company isn't going to buy him a computer to help him fry).
@Rick_Kl
I don't know of anyone who wants a MacBook Air. I agree that we should teach people the value of money and they make their choices with their money. Part of that is to get the best deal possible so if an ultrabook is $599 or $699 and does what they need then so be it.
@ManoaHI
My argument stands. Fry cook serves the public as a retail establishment. And yes they are corporate America. Look at McDonalds, Wendys, Jack in the box, Big Kahuna Burgers, they are corporations.
@Loverock Davidson-
Reaching $599 with Windows license costs would be next to impossible. If that is reached, it would be on crappy and cheap hardware that will be just disgraceful. They may be better off by staying at 699 or 799 but provide a robust product.
@dheeraj.nagpal@...
Not impossible at all, you just want to believe that they will be. If they can build laptops for $599 they can do it with ultrabooks for less considering it takes up less space and parts.
@Loverock Davidson- And just because you want to pretend to know what your talking about doesn't make it true.
@Loverock Davidson- And schools - a lot of schools buy the MacBook Air (wife is an accountant for a school). They are Mac-heavy - even some of their 'servers;' though I cringe to think of an Apple "server." Yep, it really does exist!
@digidash
Must be a specialty school or just the art department. I live near a university and don't see these MacBook Airs.
@Loverock Davidson- Writing the things you frequently do presents a picture of someone called Loverock Davidson who lives in a hole in the ground. Whilst not "know[ing] of a single person that owns a MacBook Air" isn't a crime, it is a state of self-imposed ignorance.

The reality is that there are millions of MacBook Airs out there. That's a simple fact, not a matter that's open to conjecture, or an Apple myth. The fact you don't know anyone who owns one reflects your own social position, not how many MacBook Airs there are - as you seem to be suggesting. The status of any product is not governed by the awareness [or lack of awareness] of one isolationist, curmudgeonly individual.

Maybe it's a generational thing in your case. But I'm 53 and I know several people who own MacBook Airs. So maybe it's more of a chip on the shoulder thing - and that would definitely be in keeping with the general tone of your comments.
@Graham Ellison
No ignorance here, just observation. If there really were millions of MacBook Airs floating around I would have seen at least one but the sad reality is that I haven't. I've done a bit of traveling over the last month and haven't seen the MacBook Airs. Like I said, the only time I heard of people owning them is usually the bloggers writing about it. Maybe they just aren't getting around as much as you think.
@Loverock Davidson- You claim it's not ignorance then go on to prove it is by continuing to type. What a sad sad individual you are.
@Loverock Davidson- I don't know of a single person that owns a MacBook Air.
And what's your point exactly? So there isn't anybody else with you in your grandmother's basement? Big surprise! Hate to break it to you but what you think or who you know does not apply to everyone else.
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Apple does not care about the people of Walmart. Let Dell, Asus,HP, etc. fight hard for nickels, while Apple makes dollars. The worst part of the OEMs are killing themselves to make a nickel. If Windows was customizable (like any other part) the OEMs could compete on Brand, rather than price. When you compete on price, the first thing to go is quality.
@Rick_Kl - seems like you also need a clue: your comments make almost no sense. Windows is plenty customizable, as is Linux. Clearly you are an Apple "fanboy" - Apple is "full of itself" and always has been far over-priced, with no more (nor less) quality than any other device on the market - just a different interface (admittedly a more user-friendly one).

My prediction is that Ultrabooks will grab a piece of the 'in-between' market - those folks who have been wanting a true "performance netbook" and are not yet ready to wade into the over-hyped, over-priced 'tablet waters.'

Maybe I'm the pot calling the kettle black, because I own one iPad2 so far, and also a Kindle book reader; will buy a Kindle Fire within the next 2 months; I also own a netbook (original higher-end - as if!); 3 laptops and too many desktops to even count (I'm an IT person, so... go figure).

At any rate, I have found that even today's "budget" laptops are leaps and bounds higher in quality than those of just 3 years ago!

As for Apple, it is still too closed-off and not quite up-to-par with what the general consumer tablet users want: 1. They left out the USB interface, which was a HUGE mistake! Again, they made the assumption - "Oh, it's all fully wireless, no tethering" - but with max of 64GB, we can only store so much, and 'cloud' is another presumption/assumption - NO, everybody will NOT be using the 'cloud.' So many horror stories about 'cloud' outages and breaches, it's not even funny!
2. Apple made their batteries NON-replaceable - another bad decision. Need service? Lose your iPad for a week, while you send it in to have the battery replaced. Brilliant move? No, just a "rush-to-market" move of expedience; and an Apple-force-fed decision for the consumer.

Most of the Android tablets include USB and various other items that Apple did not see fit to include. Now the Kindle Fire and some of the other tablets are starting to "eat a piece of the Apple," so to speak. I, for one, am glad to see the competition - it can only serve to push down the extravagant prices of Ipads. That competition, along with iPad3 in the works, should push down iPad2 prices even further.

Just my thoughts. You are free to disagree. I love both PCs and Mac/iPads/iPhones.
@digidash People claim all the time that Macs are over priced but only somebody that is actually buying a Mac can make that determination. If they feel they are getting their moneys worth it is not over priced, if they don't then they can buy something else. Nobody else can determine that for anybody else.

As for Apple, it is still too closed-off and not quite up-to-par with what the general consumer tablet users want:
Did you really just post that? If it's true then why are most tablet sales iPads? You talk about leaving off USB and non-removable batteries being huge mistakes by Apple but these have not impeded iPad sales what so ever. If they truly were huge mistakes then why don't other tablets with these "features" outsell the iPad?
@Rick_Kl
Exactly! I just learned that WalMart doesn't sell Sony because Sony won't build devices with fewer features and cheaper parts so WalMart can feel good about themselves getting something cheaper from a vendor.
So, chances are, when you buy something from WalMart it has less features/functionality that the same product at another store has.
Most people don't know that WalMart abuses employees but I digress. I don't care how cheap it is, I won't buy anything from a company who sues it's paralyzed from the neck down employee for 450+ million.
@digidash Ive recently had a real eye-opening experience in life. Now I honestly see things with a clearer set of eyes. Battling it out for commodity sales is not the smartest decision many OEMs made. Had they dealt with Microsoft from a position of power, rather than being another me too maker, Microsoft would be a much better company. Microsoft grew large and arrogant, while the OEMs fell in line and handed over their profits to the monopolist. Apple chose a different path and has finally green able to reap the rewards of their labor. Hopefully Apple will not grow as fat and arrogant as Microsoft. If Apple ever becomes that bad, my opinion of them ill be re-evaluated.
... and that's the opening that the Windows OEMs need to leverage. At Apple price-points, the consumer will buy from Apple - if for no other reason that their products are, by any measure, "sexy". The enterprise buys on price/performance - and Apple loses out (except where BYOD is the rule, not the exception).

Sell a 14" to 15" Windows 8 Ultrabook at $699 though (compared to 13" MacBook Air at $1299 to $1599) and watch out! Windows OEMs can live with razor thin margins but Apple cannot.

Whether Microsoft and its OEMs take advantage of this is another story entirely nut this is the key to ultrabook adoption. Similarly, Windows RT tablets at $350 and up would have a staggering effect on iPad sales.

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