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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

First Look: Firefox 4 Beta 9

By | January 17, 2011, 5:47am PST

Summary: On Friday Mozilla released Firefox 4 Beta 9, which will probably be the final beta build - finally! - for this browser before we hit Release Candidate and an official release sometime towards the end of February.

On Friday Mozilla released Firefox 4 Beta 9, which will probably be the final beta build - finally! - for this browser before we hit Release Candidate and an official release sometime towards the end of February.

Check out the Firefox 4 Beta 9 image gallery!

If you’ve been keeping up with the beta builds and have been using the Beta 8 release (released December 22) then you’re not going to see a lot of changes in Beta 9. In fact, going by the release notes there’s only two changes of any importance highlighted by Mozilla:

What about bugs? Well, according to Mozilla quite a few are still lurking. Johnathan Nightingale, the director of Firefox development, says that currently there are 143 hard blocker bugs (bugs that would prevent Firefox from shipping) in the code. However, Nightingale does seems to suggest that there’s some flexibility in terms of squashing all the bugs:

Blocker bugs have a rank order. If you can’t have all of them, there are some you’d want more than others, even though every single one of them is a bug we want to fix. That’s healthy. Building software means making those calls. Each bug is evaluated against whether it’s worth holding back the thousands of fixes that have already made it into the Firefox 4 tree. At this point, very few bugs are worth holding back that much awesome.

However, Damon Sicore, the Senior Director of Platform Engineering at Mozilla, believes that there should be another beta, if time allows:

We’ve worked tremendously hard on Firefox 4, and it’s time to ship it.  I’m seeing the same burst of excitement and activity that we’ve seen in the endgame of every release.  Over the past several days, component leads have again reduced their blockers by identifying hard blockers and those we can live without.  We’ve around 160 hard blockers remaining, and historically it has taken us six weeks to reach RC once we have 100 blockers left.  We must press hard now.
To Finish:  
1) We have to reach Release Candidate status as quickly as possible, ideally finishing the hard blockers by the beginning of February and shipping final before the end of February.  We’ll need your help to balance these targets against the need to build a high quality product.
2) Bug counts demand another beta. We’ll drive the beta bugs to zero and ship another beta. If we can’t get them to zero in reasonable time, we’ll repeat, deliberately.  It depends on how quickly we can drive down the list of hard blockers that need beta feedback. This is our top development priority, since it pushes the rest of our schedule.
3)  We need *everyone* to help in testing.  Specifically:  Do not disable Flash, Silverlight, or other major plugins as we need as many people testing these as possible.  Windows users:  We need to know if you are affected by hardware acceleration causing crashes or other issues.  Don’t just assume that someone else has filed a bug already.  Make sure.  Ask someone if you don’t know how.  This is very important.

Squashing nearly 150 bugs in a little over a month … I’ll let you judge if this is optimistic or not.

Some random thoughts on Firefox 4:

  • Nice, fast, robust browser.
  • JägerMonkey JavaScript engine gives Google Chrome a run for its money.
  • The re-tweaked interface is a nice, and welcome, change. Mozilla’s solution to removing the menu bar and replacing it with a ‘button’ will be familiar to Opera users.
  • The revamped Add-on manager is pleasant to use.
  • Sync between desktop and mobile is a nice feature but somewhat clunky.
  • Crash protection makes using Flash, Quicktime and Silverlight a bit nicer to use.

I’m looking forward to getting my hands on the Release Candidate.

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BIG difference
Michael Alan Goff 19th Jan 2011
One of them puts a schedule and is 1/3 of a year behind.

Of course, this is ignoring that 3.7 (renamed 4.0) started almost 2 years ago.
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RE: First Look: Firefox 4 Beta 9
Loverock Davidson 17th Jan 2011
Its still taking them entirely too long to get FF4 final out. They need a new PM.
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RE: First Look: Firefox 4 Beta 9
RobertFolkerts 17th Jan 2011
@Loverock Davidson
By all means step and and so something useful
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RE: First Look: Firefox 4 Beta 9
Loverock Davidson 17th Jan 2011
@RobertFolkerts
I will just as soon as they release FF4, I'll be using it.
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Still no sandbox
honeymonster 17th Jan 2011
@Loverock Davidson
Firefox is the only mainstream browser without this very important security feature. And it is *the* most buggy browser (security bugs and otherwise) to boot. Which only makes it more incomprehensible. Mozilla has got their priorities wrong and they are losing out to Chrome because of it.

Buggy, crashing, leaking.
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RE: First Look: Firefox 4 Beta 9
Loverock Davidson 17th Jan 2011
@honeymonster
I'm hoping a lot of those issues get resolved. But right now FF has the best add-on support so given some the drawbacks you highlight it makes up for it in plug-ins.
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Firefox 4 beta 9 : a great release
Calystor 18th Jan 2011
A lot of very interesting functions, very fast, protecting Your Privacy, synchornisation, full hardware acceleration, 3D on the Web, Paronama, Multi-touch Support, Javascript compartments, ... It is normal that it is remained some bugs because it is not yet the final version but I am already using Firefox beta 9 as my main browser. A lot of plugin are already compatible with the beta 9 .
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x I'm tc 18th Jan 2011
@honeymonster

Been runninf beta 9 since it launched. It is now the faster browser on Windows across the board. Startup times, which were an major are of advantage for competitors, have somehow been reduced by a LOT.

Crashes so far: 0.

By the way, I hate the new interface. I know I am in the minority. But to each their own, right? Any way to get it back to looking like 3.x?
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RE: First Look: Firefox 4 Beta 9
ahh so 17th Jan 2011
@Loverock Davidson - Instead of complaining, then do something about it. Sheesh...
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RE: First Look: Firefox 4 Beta 9
Loverock Davidson 17th Jan 2011
@ahh so
I will just as soon as they release a FF4 final, I'll be using it.
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Been using the beta
Cylon Centurion 17th Jan 2011
As my sole browser since b5, and I haven't looked back. 3.6 was promptly uninstalled.
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RE: First Look: Firefox 4 Beta 9
james347 17th Jan 2011
The best just keep getting better.
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Is Adblock available for this?
LTV10 17th Jan 2011
Or NoScript? Without those two, this isn't much better than IE
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Working perfectly here
Cylon Centurion 17th Jan 2011
@LTV10

I have both addons working perfectly on my setup.
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How about IEtab2?
JLHenry 17th Jan 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005

This is the big one for me, as we have some in-house stuff that the Lazy-@%#$%&$%^& programmers won't clean up and standardize (And they're trying to sell these as a service to others outside the Company . . .).
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RE: First Look: Firefox 4 Beta 9
Cylon Centurion 17th Jan 2011
@JLHenry

I wish I could tell you :/

I've never used IETabs. I not one for installing many addons. The only two I install are coincidentally Adblock Plus and NoScript.

At first I had to setup Firefox to skip version check for them to install, but now I do believe both AdBlock Plus and NoScript work natively.
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RE: First Look: Firefox 4 Beta 9
ahh so 17th Jan 2011
Well speaking of plug-ins, what about the menu bar?

Or the bookmarks toolbar?

Dude, I need those. Bad.
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RE: First Look: Firefox 4 Beta 9
Michael Alan Goff 17th Jan 2011
Both of those are easily put back in, though I guess you were really being facetious.
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Menu bar?
Cylon Centurion 17th Jan 2011
@ahh so

Really? A menu bar? I didn't realize this was 1995 yet.

The bookmarks toolbar is still there. I have it on right now.


But I kinda get the feeling you're just trolling my response.
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Yes, a menu bar
ahh so 19th Jan 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005 - got a problem with that?

I'm not of the school that says everything has to be minimalist, or that browsers have to look like toys.

Besides, goob256 already answered the question while you were too lazy to.
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Beta 9?
clindhartsen 17th Jan 2011
I loved Firefox for a long time, but jumped ship to Chrome for a leaner browser, and oddly enough back to IE9 for some other reasons, but how long does it take to make a next version? Haven't we been building up to Version 4 for ... what, near a year now maybe?
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OMG!!!
jasonp@... 17th Jan 2011
@clindhartsen
A whole year between versions? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think what he's saying is that
Michael Alan Goff 17th Jan 2011
As of now, the project is 133 days behind schedule. This isn't even taking into account that the sixth beta was only fixing a major bug. They're way behind schedule.
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Big deal, goob256
ahh so 17th Jan 2011
We still have 3.6 to use.

Is this gonna make people swarm back to IE?

NOT.
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Of course it won't make people move back
Michael Alan Goff 17th Jan 2011
Well, there might be a few people who move back to IE 9 if it comes out quicker.

The more likely thing is that it might help Opera or Chrome grow even more. I remember that in 3.6 was going to be out by September 2008... no October... no December.

Mozilla is starting to run into something, I don't know what, that is making their plans take a lot longer than they want.

3.6 was supposed to be the "incremental update", remember?
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Time to be more patient, goob256
ahh so 18th Jan 2011
So what. They're a couple of months behind.

Or should I bring up the Windoze 7 SP1 delays here as well. Hmmm?
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Windows 7 SP1 delays?
Michael Alan Goff 19th Jan 2011
Microsoft never gave a schedule.
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No difference
ahh so 19th Jan 2011
@goob256 Naw, they've just been beta testing it for the last year with no end in sight. 'We' can be patient with M$ but 'we' can't be patient with Mozilla.

Why don't you kill the fanboy hypocrisy, k?
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BIG difference
Michael Alan Goff 19th Jan 2011
One of them puts a schedule and is 1/3 of a year behind.

Of course, this is ignoring that 3.7 (renamed 4.0) started almost 2 years ago.
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jagansai 17th Jan 2011
To be honest, IE 9 feels more faster on Win7 machine than FF b9.
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CobraA1 18th Jan 2011
"Mozilla?s solution to removing the menu bar and replacing it with a ?button? will be familiar to Opera users."

Those two people out there who use Opera, that is, lol.

Okay, I know it's a lot more than two - but honestly, Opera hasn't done that well in the browser market.

"The revamped Add-on manager is pleasant to use."

Actually, I find it a bit painful. It's not always responsive, for some strange reason the "Get Add-Ons" returns a weird set of search results instead of something like the website will return, and the add-on compatibility checker is too harsh at preventing you from running addons you know still work.
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RE: First Look: Firefox 4 Beta 9
Pete "athynz" Athens 18th Jan 2011
I've been playing with the FF betas since b7 came out and I've been impressed with the speed of the browser. Once they have a release candidate I might just have to go back to FF from Chrome.

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